Re: thyroid This rudeness needs to stop

[Guest guest]

I see my name in your post, together with a number of pejorative words

that I will not repeat here. I do not believe I've ever applied those

pejoratives to you or anyone on this list. I have never stated that you

were the center of every argument; and I don't believe that to be the case.

I further have never seen a rude post by Chuck. I did observe the

exchange between you two. I found your posts incomprehensible when

viewed for reasonableness and so I decided against becoming heavily

involved.

I also DID recently object when someone was called a name, and suggested

that we moderate ourselves. And then I went on; I don't even remember

who the name caller was for sure...

I do my best to present " facts " which have some modicum of support. I

may object to those that do not. I present a viewpoint/world view that

is different from that of some here; and I hope that is okay.

Presenting a reasonable " fact " should not be construed as rude, even if

you disagree with it. Why not attack the fact if you disagree, rather

the bearer as being rude??? After all, the former is reasonable

discussion, while the latter is " ...fighting and bickering... "

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> Posted by: " eastodurango@... "

> eastodurango@...

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> jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111>

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>

> Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:03 am (PST)

>

> So, I have to ask:

>

> Where in God¹s name are those the folks who were attacking me

> when I was defending myself against Chuck¹s rude posts to me awhile back?

>

> Are you all casting a blind eye now that ³Sue² is not involved in this

> latest digression since several of you so boldy stated I was at the center

> of EVERY argument?

>

> Where are you now with your righteous comments?

>

> I have seen words like ASS, stupid, liar, and many rude exchanges in the

> past couple weeks.

>

> Am I the only one who will step up to the plate and say this nonsense

> needs

> to stop?

>

> Are you all afraid of Chuck and to stand up to their rude

> attacks and

> mockery?

>

> Or do you simply have a bias and wish to show it?

>

> You have nothing to gain by remaining silent when you see these posts.

>

> I will be the first to take a stand and ask this fighting and bickering to

> stop.

>

> It¹s childish and rude to the board members as well.

>

> Sue

>

> On 11/22/08 10:30 AM, " Chuck B " <gumboyaya@...

> <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote:

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> >

> >

> >

> > Gracia,

> >

> > You wrote:

> >> >

> >> > this insults me. ...

> >

> > Excuse me? There are many on this list who do not need adrenal support.

> > Your statement that we all do, basically calls us all liars. In

> > contrast, ' suggestion that you have selective memory in this

> > matter seems remarkably mild ... and quite accurate.

> >

> > Chuck

[Guest guest]

I think it probably happened while you were MIA from the list a few

weeks back. I found that Sue's take on the interchange so foreign to my

understanding that I didn't really comment. But I: 1] Have never called

her any names; and 2] DID NOT state that she's involved with every

dispute here. So when I find myself under attack in a message that also

says we need to stop " ... this fighting and bickering... " I find it a

little comical.

It's too bad that not everyone can strongly disagree as you, Chuck and I

sometimes do and still remain civil.

Regards,

PS: You're still going to owe Chuck a steak dinner! [ggg]

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:07 am (PST)

>

>

> I don't know what you are talking about. I must have missed these

> posts. I am used to disagreeing with and Chuck--they are usually

> civil although irritating

> gracia

>

> So, I have to ask:

>

> Where in God¹s name are those the folks who were attacking me

> when I was defending myself against Chuck¹s rude posts to me awhile back?

>

> Are you all casting a blind eye now that ³Sue² is not involved in this

> latest digression since several of you so boldy stated I was at the center

> of EVERY argument?

>

> Where are you now with your righteous comments?

>

> I have seen words like ASS, stupid, liar, and many rude exchanges in the

> past couple weeks.

>

> Am I the only one who will step up to the plate and say this nonsense

> needs

> to stop?

>

> Are you all afraid of Chuck and to stand up to their rude

> attacks and

> mockery?

>

> Or do you simply have a bias and wish to show it?

>

> You have nothing to gain by remaining silent when you see these posts.

>

> I will be the first to take a stand and ask this fighting and bickering to

> stop.

>

> It¹s childish and rude to the board members as well.

>

> Sue

[Guest guest]

And I understand where you're coming from. That's why I've posted more

than once here that you mean well, and that you're good hearted. But I

find your " prescriptions " ill advised and dangerous. And your take on

" facts " strange to me.

I'm well aware that _some_ people don't get effective treatment from

standard allopathic practices. I disagree with you as to why. I'm also

aware of those who report that T4 doesn't seem to be what they need; and

that the TSH numbers don't correlate well with they symptoms.

Unfortunately I don't have all the answers to those problems. I try to

present a perspective that will be helpful to at least some of those who

come here for help.

But I can say all of that to you without anger, and probably without

having you think I'm being rude. Too bad not all approach differences

that way.

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:53 am (PST)

>

>

> Oh. well that's why I said the remark insulted me, but I also

> understand where they are coming from. it's the allopathic

> perspective. they think everyone is fine dosed to TSH on a T4 med. I

> don't.

> gracia

>

> Okey doke, then I guess you don¹t see how you are being mocked and

> ridiculed.

> I was speaking up against this but if you are ok with it,

> Carry on.

>

> sue

[Guest guest]

thank you for your civility.

if you go to some other boards you would see that endos are not much

appreciated, there are horror stories, and ppl fantasize about what they could

do to them. (like force them to eat $inthroid after their thyroid has been

removed). many boards say do not go to an endo,--look for a holistic doc.

peace out

Gracia

And I understand where you're coming from. That's why I've posted more

than once here that you mean well, and that you're good hearted. But I

find your " prescriptions " ill advised and dangerous. And your take on

" facts " strange to me.

I'm well aware that _some_ people don't get effective treatment from

standard allopathic practices. I disagree with you as to why. I'm also

aware of those who report that T4 doesn't seem to be what they need; and

that the TSH numbers don't correlate well with they symptoms.

Unfortunately I don't have all the answers to those problems. I try to

present a perspective that will be helpful to at least some of those who

come here for help.

But I can say all of that to you without anger, and probably without

having you think I'm being rude. Too bad not all approach differences

that way.

.

.

>

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20thyroid%20This%20rudeness%20needs\

%20to%20stop>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:53 am (PST)

>

>

> Oh. well that's why I said the remark insulted me, but I also

> understand where they are coming from. it's the allopathic

> perspective. they think everyone is fine dosed to TSH on a T4 med. I

> don't.

> gracia

>

> Okey doke, then I guess you don¹t see how you are being mocked and

> ridiculed.

> I was speaking up against this but if you are ok with it,

> Carry on.

>

> sue

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10:34 AM

[Guest guest]

Well, she is right that I generally approach the subject from the

viewpoint of allopathic medicine and science. But I also see that not

every patient has good results from the present state of allopathic

medicine. I object, repeatedly, to advice and statements that seem to

have the potential for harm. Some of those are from Gracia; but I don't

think she INTENDS any harm.

Your statement that we're all different has been made so many times here

it seems pointless to repeat it. Gracia simply disagrees that we are

different on that typical level. I probably find that viewpoint as

frustrating and exasperating as you do; and as she probably finds some

of mine.

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:48 am (PST)

>

> Gracia-

> That is NOT what they are saying. What we are saying is that not everyone

> is an identical twin to you and NOT everyone needs or can take

> iodine!!!!!!

> !!!!!!!!!!!! I was trained in BOTH allopathic and Natural

> medicine and I don't use the TSH nor does my own Natural medicine provider

> and I don't take a T4 only med. I take Armour at 4 grains!

>

> -- Re: Re:thyroid This rudeness needs to stop

>

>

> Oh. well that's why I said the remark insulted me, but I also understand

> where they are coming from. it's the allopathic perspective. they think

> everyone is fine dosed to TSH on a T4 med. I don't.

> gracia

[Guest guest]

There are just as many horror stories about alternative docs. I have my

own.

Horror stories should be only partially believed if believed at all, since

they tend to be exaggerated like the proverbial fish stories. Somewhere in

there is a grain or two of truth, but usually the patient is embellishing.

mse

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> thank you for your civility.

> if you go to some other boards you would see that endos are not much

> appreciated, there are horror stories, and ppl fantasize about what they

> could do to them. (like force them to eat $inthroid after their thyroid

> has been removed). many boards say do not go to an endo,--look for a

> holistic doc.

> peace out

> Gracia

>

>

> And I understand where you're coming from. That's why I've posted more

> than once here that you mean well, and that you're good hearted. But I

> find your " prescriptions " ill advised and dangerous. And your take on

> " facts " strange to me.

>

> I'm well aware that _some_ people don't get effective treatment from

> standard allopathic practices. I disagree with you as to why. I'm also

> aware of those who report that T4 doesn't seem to be what they need; and

> that the TSH numbers don't correlate well with they symptoms.

> Unfortunately I don't have all the answers to those problems. I try to

> present a perspective that will be helpful to at least some of those who

> come here for help.

>

> But I can say all of that to you without anger, and probably without

> having you think I'm being rude. Too bad not all approach differences

> that way.

>

>

> .

> .

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> > <mailto:circe@...

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20thyroid%20This%20rudeness%20needs%20to%20stop>

> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:53 am (PST)

> >

> >

> > Oh. well that's why I said the remark insulted me, but I also

> > understand where they are coming from. it's the allopathic

> > perspective. they think everyone is fine dosed to TSH on a T4 med. I

> > don't.

> > gracia

> >

> > Okey doke, then I guess you don¹t see how you are being mocked and

> > ridiculed.

> > I was speaking up against this but if you are ok with it,

> > Carry on.

> >

> > sue

>

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