Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Hey Larry! I like this explanation! Good for all of us simple-minded people, but it makes such logical sesnse. Marcie In a message dated 3/4/2004 11:04:46 AM Central Standard Time, larrygc@... writes: Subj:[low dose naltrexone] Endorphins/LDN ??????? Date:3/4/2004 11:04:46 AM Central Standard Time From: larrygc@... (LarryGC) Reply-to: low dose naltrexone low dose naltrexone CC: Spotlight_ldn (Spotlight_LDN), mswatchers (MSWatchers) I'm not sure about these endorphins that everyone is saying LDN increases. The way I understand it, a "normal" person has X amount of chemical production, per day, certain productions happen at different times during the day. With MS, we do not have proper productions and orchestrations. LDN is not giving you MORE than a "normal" person, it's just helping your body produce, no more, than a "normal" person, or maybe what could have been your old normal value before all the damage. We're not getting More than a "normal" person, we're just getting >what we Should [have] Be[en] Getting<, enough so that the body can orchestrate it's "normal" tasks. Sort of like using a Cane to walk as well as a "normal" person with 2 good legs. You're not getting a 3rd leg, you're not getting an advantage over a "normal" person, you still have a problem, but you can now get from point A to point B a bit better. If the LDN creates a temporary blockade, it's like putting sugary chewing gum over a slow dripping faucet. The gum causes a blockade, the water builds up in quantity and pressure and starts to dissolve the gum. When the gum is dissolved, a larger spurt of water flows through, until the water goes back to dripping. Then you put some more gum there the next day, and the process continues. Sometimes it creates a steady flow, other times it just looks like a biorhythm chart of peaks and valleys? Nothing scientific, just came to mind.... though I'd put it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Great analogy Larry...works for me!!! Thanks SallyC --- In low dose naltrexone , " LarryGC " <larrygc@s...> wrote: > > I'm not sure about these endorphins that everyone is saying LDN increases. > > The way I understand it, a " normal " person has X amount of chemical production, per day, certain productions happen at different times during the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 I'm not sure about these endorphins that everyone is saying LDN increases. The way I understand it, a "normal" person has X amount of chemical production, per day, certain productions happen at different times during the day. With MS, we do not have proper productions and orchestrations. LDN is not giving you MORE than a "normal" person, it's just helping your body produce, no more, than a "normal" person, or maybe what could have been your old normal value before all the damage. We're not getting More than a "normal" person, we're just getting >what we Should [have] Be[en] Getting<, enough so that the body can orchestrate it's "normal" tasks. Sort of like using a Cane to walk as well as a "normal" person with 2 good legs. You're not getting a 3rd leg, you're not getting an advantage over a "normal" person, you still have a problem, but you can now get from point A to point B a bit better. If the LDN creates a temporary blockade, it's like putting sugary chewing gum over a slow dripping faucet. The gum causes a blockade, the water builds up in quantity and pressure and starts to dissolve the gum. When the gum is dissolved, a larger spurt of water flows through, until the water goes back to dripping. Then you put some more gum there the next day, and the process continues. Sometimes it creates a steady flow, other times it just looks like a biorhythm chart of peaks and valleys? Nothing scientific, just came to mind.... though I'd put it out there. ----- Original Message ----- LDN causes increase of endorphins. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 SALLY THIS IS MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS. I RE-JOINED AS A DIFFERENT PERSON JUST TO SEE HOW THE GROUP WAS DOING. I REALLY ENJOY THIS GROUP AND REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE BEFORE. EUNIQUE (FORMALLY KNOWN AS SPEXL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Dear Larry, Thanks for that explanation. I guess we don't have many " long term LDN users " to consult with. Sounds like the longest use has been about a year, right? If the endorphins can be brought back to a pre-disease state, I would think it could very well prevent deterioration, and possibly some improvement. My hubby has glaucoma and his visual field tests can vary a bit--the doc told him that the cells don't die off quickly, but a slow death and on some days they will be strong on others weak before they give out. So once they are dead, that's it, but until they are, they flicker so to speak and maybe MS is like that--if total damage hasn't yet occurred, it may well regain function. The " theory game " is kind of fun. I hope some medical people are reading this stuff and can make sense of it. I like to post theories hoping they fall into the right hands--a new idea for those who can work with it if it is promising. The group is so large and growing so quickly that I feel LDN will get more research soon. The internet is such a wonderful tool! I am so happy to be a part of the " ground floor " movement. I hope all of you who have MS and belong to MS support groups will alert them to this new LDN use. Actually, I imagine that is why we have so many MS patient members, DUH! Ok, I've rambled enough! Enjoy your day, Everyone! Love, > > I'm not sure about these endorphins that everyone is saying LDN increases. > > The way I understand it, a " normal " person has X amount of chemical production, per day, certain productions happen at different times during the day. > > With MS, we do not have proper productions and orchestrations. > > LDN is not giving you MORE than a " normal " person, it's just helping your body produce, no more, than a " normal " person, or maybe what could have been your old normal value before all the damage. > > We're not getting More than a " normal " person, we're just getting >what we Should [have] Be[en] Getting<, enough so that the body can orchestrate it's " normal " tasks. > > Sort of like using a Cane to walk as well as a " normal " person with 2 good legs. You're not getting a 3rd leg, you're not getting an advantage over a " normal " person, you still have a problem, but you can now get from point A to point B a bit better. > > If the LDN creates a temporary blockade, it's like putting sugary chewing gum over a slow dripping faucet. The gum causes a blockade, the water builds up in quantity and pressure and starts to dissolve the gum. When the gum is dissolved, a larger spurt of water flows through, until the water goes back to dripping. Then you put some more gum there the next day, and the process continues. Sometimes it creates a steady flow, other times it just looks like a biorhythm chart of peaks and valleys? > > Nothing scientific, just came to mind.... though I'd put it out there. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > LDN causes increase of endorphins. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Unless the government or some big university with excess cash decide to study LDN, it isn't going to happen. Naltrexone is off patent and it is very unlikely that any drug company will spend cash to do research knowing that any other manufacturer can duplicate their product and steal market share. The good of the patient is of no concern to a drug manufacturer when sales are at stake (witness the myriad of products that have left the market because of low sales). Larry J. Frieders,RPh |The Compounder575 W. Illinois Ave ~ Aurora, IL 60506 630-859-0333 FAX 630-859-0114 Sample newsletter http://www.theCompounder.com/NL-Sample.html Any health related information on our web pages or in our newsletters is for educational purposes only. None of the information we provide is to be construed as medical advice. Before applying any therapy or use of herbs, you may want to seek advice from your health care professional. Our information should not be a substitute for physician evaluation or treatment by a health care professional and is not intended to provide or confirm a diagnosis. ----- Original Message ----- From: Strecker low dose naltrexone Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Endorphins/LDN ??????? Dear Larry, Thanks for that explanation. I guess we don't have many "longterm LDN users" to consult with. Sounds like the longest use has beenabout a year, right? If the endorphins can be brought back to apre-disease state, I would think it could very well preventdeterioration, and possibly some improvement. My hubby has glaucomaand his visual field tests can vary a bit--the doc told him that thecells don't die off quickly, but a slow death and on some days theywill be strong on others weak before they give out. So once they aredead, that's it, but until they are, they flicker so to speak andmaybe MS is like that--if total damage hasn't yet occurred, it maywell regain function. The "theory game" is kind of fun. I hope somemedical people are reading this stuff and can make sense of it. I liketo post theories hoping they fall into the right hands--a new idea forthose who can work with it if it is promising. The group is so large and growing so quickly that I feel LDN willget more research soon. The internet is such a wonderful tool! I am sohappy to be a part of the "ground floor" movement. I hope all of youwho have MS and belong to MS support groups will alert them to thisnew LDN use. Actually, I imagine that is why we have so many MSpatient members, DUH! Ok, I've rambled enough! Enjoy your day, Everyone! Love, > > I'm not sure about these endorphins that everyone is saying LDNincreases.> > The way I understand it, a "normal" person has X amount of chemicalproduction, per day, certain productions happen at different timesduring the day.> > With MS, we do not have proper productions and orchestrations.> > LDN is not giving you MORE than a "normal" person, it's just helpingyour body produce, no more, than a "normal" person, or maybe whatcould have been your old normal value before all the damage.> > We're not getting More than a "normal" person, we're just getting>what we Should [have] Be[en] Getting<, enough so that the body canorchestrate it's "normal" tasks.> > Sort of like using a Cane to walk as well as a "normal" person with2 good legs. You're not getting a 3rd leg, you're not getting anadvantage over a "normal" person, you still have a problem, but youcan now get from point A to point B a bit better.> > If the LDN creates a temporary blockade, it's like putting sugarychewing gum over a slow dripping faucet. The gum causes a blockade,the water builds up in quantity and pressure and starts to dissolvethe gum. When the gum is dissolved, a larger spurt of water flowsthrough, until the water goes back to dripping. Then you put somemore gum there the next day, and the process continues. Sometimes itcreates a steady flow, other times it just looks like a biorhythmchart of peaks and valleys?> > Nothing scientific, just came to mind.... though I'd put it out there.> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > LDN causes increase of endorphins. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 So happy to have you back, and I hope that you are doing well. This is a nice place for information about ldn and for your support, whenever you need it. Feel free to ask anything and we will try to answer you the best we can. How are you doing with your LDN? Love and Hugs, Sally > SALLY > > THIS IS MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS. I RE-JOINED AS A DIFFERENT PERSON JUST > TO SEE HOW THE GROUP WAS DOING. I REALLY ENJOY THIS GROUP AND REALLY > DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE BEFORE. > > EUNIQUE (FORMALLY KNOWN AS SPEXL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 SALLY SINCE I TALKED TO YOU LAST I HAVE HAD WHAT I CALL A MINI ATTACK. IT JUST LASTED ABOUT 4 DAYS, BETTER THAN THE 6 WEEKS LIKE BEFORE, AND IT DIDN'T PUT ME DOWN TO WHERE I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING, WITH MINIMAL DAMAGE, BUT DEFINATELY NOTICEABLE, AS I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH LEFT TO LOSE. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO BE TAKING THIS LDN FOR ABOUT 1 YEAR TO 15 MONTHS TO GET BENEFITS FROM IT. I'M STILL GLAD I QUIT THE NOVANTRONE CAUSE THE ATTACKS WERE CONSIDERABLY WORSE WITH IT. THERE'S A NEW DRUG " ANTEGRAN " (SPELLING) I THINK I WILL LOOK INTO WHEN IT COMES OUT IN ABOUT A YEAR PER THE MS SOCIETY. IT'S A SHOT YOU GIVE YOURSELF 1X PER MONTH. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE ATTITUDES HAVE CHANGED. THANK YOU FOR THE WELCOME BACK. DENISE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Lots of us have seen good to great results in just three days a "mini" attack is probably a good result. Just my two bits worth didn't mean to step on any toes. Reg. -------Original Message------- From: low dose naltrexone Date: 03/05/04 11:29:28 low dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Endorphins/LDN ??????? SALLYSINCE I TALKED TO YOU LAST I HAVE HAD WHAT I CALL A MINI ATTACK.IT JUST LASTED ABOUT 4 DAYS, BETTER THAN THE 6 WEEKS LIKE BEFORE, AND ITDIDN'T PUT ME DOWN TO WHERE I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING, WITH MINIMAL DAMAGE,BUT DEFINATELY NOTICEABLE, AS I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH LEFT TO LOSE. FROM WHATI UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO BE TAKING THIS LDN FOR ABOUT 1 YEAR TO 15MONTHS TO GET BENEFITS FROM IT. I'M STILL GLAD I QUIT THE NOVANTRONECAUSE THE ATTACKS WERE CONSIDERABLY WORSE WITH IT. THERE'S A NEW DRUG"ANTEGRAN" (SPELLING) I THINK I WILL LOOK INTOWHEN IT COMES OUT IN ABOUT A YEAR PER THE MS SOCIETY. IT'S A SHOT YOUGIVE YOURSELF 1X PER MONTH. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEOF THE ATTITUDES HAVE CHANGED. THANK YOU FOR THE WELCOME BACK.DENISE ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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