Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 Hi Colleen, Even when I was sleeping too much, my doctor prescribed Sonata (a sleeping pill that lasts about 3.5 hrs.....you can take two/night if needed). He said that because I was sleeping so much, it meant that I wasn't getting the right kind of sleep. So I guess if I was having trouble sleeping, I'd probably try my Sonata pills again (10mg). I hate taking medication and I've weened myself off of almost everything, though....so I know the decision you have to make. Maybe someone else will have a non-medical solution Kacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 For me, the sleepless nights lasted nearly a month. Now I sleep like a baby! Marcie In a message dated 2/15/2004 1:44:33 PM Central Standard Time, marivel@... writes: Is insomnia one of the side-effects of LDN? And if the answer is Yes, is this only in the beginning? I do hope so. Ten days ago I started LDN and the last week there was this insomnia, which is very tiring. I cann't bear sleepingpills. They make me sick, so I don't know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Is insomnia one of the side-effects of LDN? And if the answer is Yes, is this only in the beginning? I do hope so. Ten days ago I started LDN and the last week there was this insomnia, which is very tiring. I cann't bear sleepingpills. They make me sick, so I don't know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 ..I had insomnia too take the LDN at 9:30 Pm and take either time released melatonin 2 to 3 mg..from the Health Food Store OR Valerian Root a tincture called Deep Sleep..10 drops to go to sleep and if you wake up at 2 or 3 take it again........ok it will pass into the third week and then you sleep deeper and better.........all the best sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: maria van velzen lowdose naltrexone Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] insomnia Is insomnia one of the side-effects of LDN? And if the answer is Yes, is this only in the beginning? I do hope so. Ten days ago I started LDN and the last week there was this insomnia, which is very tiring. I cann't bear sleepingpills. They make me sick, so I don't know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 , give it another week and then lower the dose if insomnia continues. It took me 17 days of Insomnia to finally sleep better than I ever have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 thank you, I hope I'll be like you and sleep like a baby about a month or so ----- Original Message ----- From: marciemjm@... low dose naltrexone Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] insomnia For me, the sleepless nights lasted nearly a month. Now I sleep like a baby! Marcie In a message dated 2/15/2004 1:44:33 PM Central Standard Time, marivel@... writes: Is insomnia one of the side-effects of LDN? And if the answer is Yes, is this only in the beginning? I do hope so. Ten days ago I started LDN and the last week there was this insomnia, which is very tiring. I cann't bear sleepingpills. They make me sick, so I don't know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Hello Reg I'll trye the valerian. Thank you maria ----- Original Message ----- From: Reg Kreil low dose naltrexone Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] insomnia Hello Yes for some ,me included, insomnia is a side effect, but for others they are sleeping better than ever! luckily I can use sleeping pills but also Valerian which is a herbal sleep aid works for me too. I have to take one before bed and one when I wake up at two o clock . I hope I will grow out of this but I am also almost fifty and retired and probably I don't require as much sleep now as I used to when I was employed. So try the Valerian it's herbal and probably won't hurt. By the way ten days is kinda soon to get worried about this yet. Reg. -------Original Message------- From: low dose naltrexone Date: 02/15/04 12:42:51 lowdose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] insomnia Is insomnia one of the side-effects of LDN? And if the answer is Yes, is this only in the beginning? I do hope so. Ten days ago I started LDN and the last week there was this insomnia, which is very tiring. I cann't bear sleepingpills. They make me sick, so I don't know what to do. ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Hi , Dr. Bihari told me that if you have insomnia after the first week, then you need to cut back the dose of LDN. You just need to open the capsule and dump out a small amount. Hope this helps. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: maria van velzen lowdose naltrexone Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] insomnia Is insomnia one of the side-effects of LDN? And if the answer is Yes, is this only in the beginning? I do hope so. Ten days ago I started LDN and the last week there was this insomnia, which is very tiring. I cann't bear sleepingpills. They make me sick, so I don't know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 In a message dated 2/23/04 10:26:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, perspect1111@... writes: So expecting to sleep well after age 50 is fighting against many many million years of evolution. Do not laugh. As usual, Rodney has the straight skinny (sorry) on this. It's as good an explanation as any. All of us seniors (I am 71) have trouble sleeping. I've polled every one I can find. Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Hi folks: Well here is another of my hypotheses (!). IMO there are very good reasons why older people do not sleep well at night. It has been bred into the species because families/groups in which the older folks (OFs) did not sleep well had a survival advantage compared with those where they slept right through the night. This is how it works: It would not be good for the group in the cave if those aged 15 to 40 did not sleep well. They are needed to do the back-breaking work the following day. They need a good night's sleep. But it didn't much matter if the OFs were awake in early hours. They didn't have much work of an onerous nature to do the following day. The reason having the OFs awake at 4 am is an advantage is that when the guys from the cave up the street were hungry and came over in the middle of the night to pick off their neighbours in preparation for lunch the next day, the OFs WERE AWAKE, could hear the approaching danger, and could wake the 15-40 year old warriors in time to defend the cave before it was overrun. The result was that the groups where the OFs slept well were gradually eliminated from the population by being eaten for lunch by the people from the cave next door. After many many generations the only humans left were those that had had warning of approaching trouble at 4 am - from the OFs who couldn't sleep. So the only humans alive today are the descendants of the groups whose OFs couldn't sleep. Evolution had selected the poor-sleeping OF groups because of their survival advantage. So expecting to sleep well after age 50 is fighting against many many million years of evolution. The above is just my opinion. More on it another time, perhaps. Rodney. > > > Francesca ~ > > > > I would be very interested to hear if taking an > > aspirin before bed helps. Like you, I also suffer from > > sleep irregularities. Typically, I have no trouble > > falling asleep, but awaken between 3:00 and 4:00 and > > spend up to two hours unable to resume sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Interesting theory for " why " . The " what " is that sleep alerting mechanisms get weaker as we get older, eventually deteriorating to an infantile sleep pattern. JR -----Original Message----- From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Insomnia Hi folks: Well here is another of my hypotheses (!). IMO there are very good reasons why older people do not sleep well at night. It has been bred into the species because families/groups in which the older folks (OFs) did not sleep well had a survival advantage compared with those where they slept right through the night. This is how it works: It would not be good for the group in the cave if those aged 15 to 40 did not sleep well. They are needed to do the back-breaking work the following day. They need a good night's sleep. But it didn't much matter if the OFs were awake in early hours. They didn't have much work of an onerous nature to do the following day. The reason having the OFs awake at 4 am is an advantage is that when the guys from the cave up the street were hungry and came over in the middle of the night to pick off their neighbours in preparation for lunch the next day, the OFs WERE AWAKE, could hear the approaching danger, and could wake the 15-40 year old warriors in time to defend the cave before it was overrun. The result was that the groups where the OFs slept well were gradually eliminated from the population by being eaten for lunch by the people from the cave next door. After many many generations the only humans left were those that had had warning of approaching trouble at 4 am - from the OFs who couldn't sleep. So the only humans alive today are the descendants of the groups whose OFs couldn't sleep. Evolution had selected the poor-sleeping OF groups because of their survival advantage. So expecting to sleep well after age 50 is fighting against many many million years of evolution. The above is just my opinion. More on it another time, perhaps. Rodney. > > > Francesca ~ > > > > I would be very interested to hear if taking an > > aspirin before bed helps. Like you, I also suffer from > > sleep irregularities. Typically, I have no trouble > > falling asleep, but awaken between 3:00 and 4:00 and > > spend up to two hours unable to resume sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Greetings, I've been having trouble sleeping off and on for a number of years now; I'm 71. In this time, I've found a few ways to overcome the situation: exercise outside more, pay attention to any pain I might have and take something to ease it, meditate to clear the mind/body of unnecessary tension. I can't say that I always follow all of these things, but for the most part one or more of these will do the trick. Ruth From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...> Reply- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:21:25 -0000 Subject: [ ] Re: Insomnia Hi folks: Well here is another of my hypotheses (!). IMO there are very good reasons why older people do not sleep well at night. It has been bred into the species because families/groups in which the older folks (OFs) did not sleep well had a survival advantage compared with those where they slept right through the night. This is how it works: It would not be good for the group in the cave if those aged 15 to 40 did not sleep well. They are needed to do the back-breaking work the following day. They need a good night's sleep. But it didn't much matter if the OFs were awake in early hours. They didn't have much work of an onerous nature to do the following day. The reason having the OFs awake at 4 am is an advantage is that when the guys from the cave up the street were hungry and came over in the middle of the night to pick off their neighbours in preparation for lunch the next day, the OFs WERE AWAKE, could hear the approaching danger, and could wake the 15-40 year old warriors in time to defend the cave before it was overrun. The result was that the groups where the OFs slept well were gradually eliminated from the population by being eaten for lunch by the people from the cave next door. After many many generations the only humans left were those that had had warning of approaching trouble at 4 am - from the OFs who couldn't sleep. So the only humans alive today are the descendants of the groups whose OFs couldn't sleep. Evolution had selected the poor-sleeping OF groups because of their survival advantage. So expecting to sleep well after age 50 is fighting against many many million years of evolution. The above is just my opinion. More on it another time, perhaps. Rodney. > > > Francesca ~ > > > > I would be very interested to hear if taking an > > aspirin before bed helps. Like you, I also suffer from > > sleep irregularities. Typically, I have no trouble > > falling asleep, but awaken between 3:00 and 4:00 and > > spend up to two hours unable to resume sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 At what level of intelligence does one set sentries? I would guess it was very early. Animals do it today. Positive Dennis Rodney wrote: Hi folks: Well here is another of my hypotheses (!). IMO there are very good reasons why older people do not sleep well at night. It has been bred into the species because families/groups in which the older folks (OFs) did not sleep well had a survival advantage compared with those where they slept right through the night. This is how it works: It would not be good for the group in the cave if those aged 15 to 40 did not sleep well. They are needed to do the back-breaking work the following day. They need a good night's sleep. But it didn't much matter if the OFs were awake in early hours. They didn't have much work of an onerous nature to do the following day. The reason having the OFs awake at 4 am is an advantage is that when the guys from the cave up the street were hungry and came over in the middle of the night to pick off their neighbours in preparation for lunch the next day, the OFs WERE AWAKE, could hear the approaching danger, and could wake the 15-40 year old warriors in time to defend the cave before it was overrun. The result was that the groups where the OFs slept well were gradually eliminated from the population by being eaten for lunch by the people from the cave next door. After many many generations the only humans left were those that had had warning of approaching trouble at 4 am - from the OFs who couldn't sleep. So the only humans alive today are the descendants of the groups whose OFs couldn't sleep. Evolution had selected the poor-sleeping OF groups because of their survival advantage. So expecting to sleep well after age 50 is fighting against many many million years of evolution. The above is just my opinion. More on it another time, perhaps. Rodney. > > > Francesca ~ > > > > I would be very interested to hear if taking an > > aspirin before bed helps. Like you, I also suffer from > > sleep irregularities. Typically, I have no trouble > > falling asleep, but awaken between 3:00 and 4:00 and > > spend up to two hours unable to resume sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Hi Dennis: Given the very high prevalence of OFs not sleeping well I think most people studying this kind of stuff would agree that therefore it must have survival value. Is there a better suggestion for what that survival value is? On the face of it one would have thought 'not sleeping well' would be a disadvantage, not an advantage. So the benefit much have been pretty sizeable, to outweigh the drawbacks. And it may very well have happened a very long time ago - predating our ancestors who existed before we split with the great apes, or even with the lemurs (which was a VERY long time ago.) It does not need to be recent. And for tribes that slept soundly, just forgetting to set a sentry, or the sentry falling asleep, occasionally, would I think over many many generations be more than enough to make the difference. You don't need to kill off the all the sound sleepers. Because the poor sleepers will become the majority, and some of the sound sleepers will mate with poor sleepers, relatively quickly, I submit, the gene pool would have become dominated by poor sleepers. jmo. Rodney. > > > > > > > Francesca ~ > > > > > > > > I would be very interested to hear if taking an > > > > aspirin before bed helps. Like you, I also suffer from > > > > sleep irregularities. Typically, I have no trouble > > > > falling asleep, but awaken between 3:00 and 4:00 and > > > > spend up to two hours unable to resume sleep. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 My problem isn't falling asleep. It's staying asleep. I can only sleep a few hours at a time, and am usually up at around 3 am, no matter when I go to bed. Peace, love, laughter How to Beat Insomnia without Pills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 , men go through hormone changes around the same time women do – in their 40s. The fall off of your hormones causes you to have a disrupted sleep cycle. Try taking a melatonin supplement for two weeks about ½ hour before bedtime. It has no drowsiness or addictive qualities. It works for my boys when they go through a “I can’t sleep” cycle. Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:58 AM health Subject: Re: Insomnia My problem isn't falling asleep. It's staying asleep. I can only sleep a few hours at a time, and am usually up at around 3 am, no matter when I go to bed. Peace, love, laughter --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Suzanne <suziesgoats > wrote: How to Beat Insomnia without Pills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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