Guest guest Posted November 28, 1999 Report Share Posted November 28, 1999 I think our bodies can tell us more than any doctor or nutritionalist. The important thing is to listen to our bodies. My body gets hyper symptoms when I eat large quantities of shellfish or seaweed. So I have to be careful about how much I ingest. Pay attention to your body. Everyone's body is different is some ways and similar in others. Most doctors do recommend that people with hyperthyroidism stay away from kelp or seaweed, but I also know that some Chinese doctors prescribe it for hyperthyroidism. Who knows?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2002 Report Share Posted April 8, 2002 I remember reading that a good dosage for O is 2 kelp tablettes a day, but can anybody confirm the recommended daily dosage in milligrams. Many thanks Lise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 April Yes i agree So you were taking kelp. When you said one or two grains. were you talking about the kelp. How much iodine were you actually taking. I'm not sure whether i buy into all this saturation dosage of iodoral etc that some are taking. It would worry me taking so much. I'm only taking kelp in mcg not mg. I am not on meds and don't want to go to doctors to get thyroid checked because don't want to take meds. I have had some success with coconut oil getting temperature up but some days it is still fairly low. It is all about getting temps up i'm sure to kick start thyroid in some people. cayenne is good for metabolism as well. I was wondering whether to get thyroid checked privately because soon as G.P involved i might get coerced down that route. Were you definately lacking in iodine. Did you do a patch test orginally and what were the results. I'm just trying to establish how long it will take to get levels up and whether it can be done on fairly low dose. Some people on forum seem to think you have to take megadoses to achieve results. Sal > I started taking a kelp preparation about two months ago, and I have been able > to quit taking Armour with no ill effect. Granted I was only taking a half > to a full > grain, which isn't much...but the goal has always been to get my own > production > back where it needs to be so I could stop taking hormones. > A deficiency somewhere, created the problem..so it would only make sense > that putting it back, would help correct it. ( for the majority of us anyway > ) > > Considering that our cells remain " receptive " to hormones well into our old > age... > theres no reason to believe that we lose the ability to make them, so long as > our > equipment is intact, and we have the proper materials. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Sally - If you are looking for non-hormonal support of the thyroid, check into guggul, ashwagandha, coleus forskolii, triphala & maca. They are all herbals/adaptogens that are used to improve thyroid function. > April Yes i agree > So you were taking kelp. When you said one or two grains. were you talking about the kelp. How much iodine were you actually taking. I'm not sure whether i buy into all this saturation dosage of iodoral etc that some are taking. It would worry me taking so much. I'm only taking kelp in mcg not mg. I am not on meds and don't want to go to doctors to get thyroid checked because don't want to take meds. I have had some success with coconut oil getting temperature up but some days it is still fairly low. It is all about getting temps up i'm sure to kick start thyroid in some people. cayenne is good for metabolism as well. I was wondering whether to get thyroid checked privately because soon as G.P involved i might get coerced down that route. Were you definately lacking in iodine. Did you do a patch test orginally and what were the results. I'm just trying to establish how long it will take to get levels up and whether it can be done on fairly low dose. Some people on forum seem to think you have to take megadoses to achieve results. > Sal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 The tablets *are* raw kelp, usually. Kelp comes in a powder, and theyjust put it in tabs. Which is easy if you don't want to deal withthe powder, but the plain powder is WAY cheaper. I'm not sure what effect cooking has on the alginate, but it seems to survive boilingjust fine (it's used as a thickener in a lot of commercial products).You can also buy " alginate " tabs, which are good for various things and are purified seaweed alginate. Those don't have someof the other benefits, like iodine, but you get more alginate.Too much alginate can give some people gas, but it doesn't seemto cause problems otherwise. -- On 1/16/07, <slyan2007@...> wrote: --- In iodine , " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Gracia, You wrote: > > kelp is not going to give you too much iodine! It has been documented to give you enough to trigger Hashi's antibodies. In fact, the Canadian government required a warning label to that effect fairly recently. Here is a May 15 bulletin from the Canada Vigilance Program of the Marketed Health Products Directorate: OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - May 15, 2008) - Health Canada is warning consumers not to use the natural health product Trophic Kelp & Glutamic Acid HCl due to the health risk posed by exposure to high levels of iodine. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding, and individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease are particularly at risk. Excessive iodine exposure can result in an enlarged thyroid and may cause either hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid disease) or hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid disease) in susceptible individuals. Symptoms of hypothyroidism include weight gain, joint or muscle pain, fatigue, weakness, depression, increased sensitivity to cold, and abnormal menstrual cycles. Over time, untreated hypothyroidism may lead to infertility and heart disease. Hyperthyroidism symptoms include sudden weight loss, rapid or irregular heartbeat, increased sensitivity to heat, sweating, nervousness or irritability. Stroke is one of the most serious complications of hyperthyroidism. Unborn babies are very sensitive to high levels of iodine and may be born with an enlarged thyroid. Significant swelling of the thyroid could compress the baby's windpipe and interfere with breathing. As well, high levels of iodine in individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease may reduce the effectiveness of antithyroid medications. Health Canada cautions consumers, especially women who are pregnant or breastfeeding, individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease or individuals with previous iodine deficiencies, to be aware that kelp products contain iodine, and advises them to consult their health care practitioners prior to taking these products. Here is the earlier warning from 2003 which involved the recall of two kelp products: Health Alert Health Canada advises against use of Seavite products containing iodine May 9, 2003 Health Canada is advising consumers not to use Seavite Premium Atlantic Kelp Blend and Seavite Premium Atlantic Kelp Tablets. These products, when consumed according to the instructions on the label, can provide 25 times the recommended daily allowance (RDA) per day of iodine for adults, and could lead to serious health consequences. These consequences are particularly noted in individuals with disorders of the thyroid gland, for pregnant women themselves as well as for their fetus, for the newborn of breastfeeding women, and for children of all ages. There have been three reports of serious adverse events, one of which required hospitalization, that have been attributed to the use of these two Seavite products. Both products have been recalled by the manufacturer, Newfoundland Aqua Products Inc. While iodine is necessary to ensure the healthy functioning of the thyroid gland, excessive iodine intake can lead to thyroid disorders, which can lead to heart problems. Excess iodine intake can manifest itself as either an under - or over-active thyroid. Consumers who have concerns should consult their health care provider. Individuals especially sensitive to the toxic effects of excess iodine are children of all ages, pregnant women and those who have been, or are, under a doctor's supervision for thyroid disease, have had previous iodine deficiency and have nodular goiter. In addition, pregnant and breast feeding women need to exercise caution as the fetus and nursing newborns are also highly susceptible to the adverse effects of excess iodine. Individuals taking amiodarone, a prescription drug for treating disorders of heart rhythm as well as those exposed to iodine containing radiocontrast agents, may also be at increased risk if they ingest these two Seavite products concurrently. The recommended daily allowance for iodine ranges from 90 micrograms (0.09 milligrams) per day for children aged 1-8 years to 150 micrograms (0.15 milligrams) per day for adults. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Chuck, this is yet another example of crying " Wolff-Chaikoff " . ....if you were dying and inorganic iodine would save your life, I wonder what you would choose to do... Sam > > > > kelp is not going to give you too much iodine! > > It has been documented to give you enough to trigger Hashi's antibodies. In fact, the Canadian government required a warning label to that effect fairly recently. > > Here is a May 15 bulletin from the Canada Vigilance Program > of the Marketed Health Products Directorate: > > OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - May 15, 2008) - Health Canada is warning consumers not to use the natural health product Trophic Kelp & Glutamic Acid HCl due to the health risk posed by exposure to high levels of iodine. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding, and individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease are particularly at risk. > > Excessive iodine exposure can result in an enlarged thyroid and may cause either hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid disease) or hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid disease) in susceptible individuals. Symptoms of hypothyroidism include weight gain, joint or muscle pain, fatigue, weakness, depression, increased sensitivity to cold, and abnormal menstrual cycles. Over time, untreated hypothyroidism may lead to infertility and heart disease. Hyperthyroidism symptoms include sudden weight loss, rapid or irregular heartbeat, increased sensitivity to heat, sweating, nervousness or irritability. Stroke is one of the most serious complications of hyperthyroidism. > > Unborn babies are very sensitive to high levels of iodine and may be born with an enlarged thyroid. Significant swelling of the thyroid could compress the baby's windpipe and interfere with breathing. As well, high levels of iodine in individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease may reduce the effectiveness of antithyroid medications. > > Health Canada cautions consumers, especially women who are pregnant or breastfeeding, individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease or individuals with previous iodine deficiencies, to be aware that kelp products contain iodine, and advises them to consult their health care practitioners prior to taking these products. > > Here is the earlier warning from 2003 which involved the recall of two kelp products: > > Health Alert > Health Canada advises against use of Seavite products containing iodine > May 9, 2003 > > Health Canada is advising consumers not to use Seavite Premium Atlantic Kelp Blend and Seavite Premium Atlantic Kelp Tablets. > > These products, when consumed according to the instructions on the label, can provide 25 times the recommended daily allowance (RDA) per day of iodine for adults, and could lead to serious health consequences. These consequences are particularly noted in individuals with disorders of the thyroid gland, for pregnant women themselves as well as for their fetus, for the newborn of breastfeeding women, and for children of all ages. > > There have been three reports of serious adverse events, one of which required hospitalization, that have been attributed to the use of these two Seavite products. > > Both products have been recalled by the manufacturer, Newfoundland Aqua Products Inc. > > While iodine is necessary to ensure the healthy functioning of the thyroid gland, excessive iodine intake can lead to thyroid disorders, which can lead to heart problems. Excess iodine intake can manifest itself as either an under - or over-active thyroid. Consumers who have concerns should consult their health care provider. > > Individuals especially sensitive to the toxic effects of excess iodine are children of all ages, pregnant women and those who have been, or are, under a doctor's supervision for thyroid disease, have had previous iodine deficiency and have nodular goiter. > > In addition, pregnant and breast feeding women need to exercise caution as the fetus and nursing newborns are also highly susceptible to the adverse effects of excess iodine. > > Individuals taking amiodarone, a prescription drug for treating disorders of heart rhythm as well as those exposed to iodine containing radiocontrast agents, may also be at increased risk if they ingest these two Seavite products concurrently. > > The recommended daily allowance for iodine ranges from 90 micrograms (0.09 milligrams) per day for children aged 1-8 years to 150 micrograms (0.15 milligrams) per day for adults. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Sam, You wrote: > Chuck, this is yet another example of crying " Wolff-Chaikoff " . > That was not at all the issue. Gracia said there wasn't enough iodine in kelp to either help or harm. However, some of those products contain up to 8 mg per GRAM of supplement. That means you can get comparable doses to Optimox, for good or ill. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Actually, Chuck, the issue was your sending of that Canadian alert about iodine. Interestingly enough, I can purchase Lugol's Solution over the counter in Canada without any warnings or alarm bells going off. The bottle of kelp extract I have says " may contain " and there is a list of possible trace amounts of a number of things including arsenic. I don't believe Lugol's Solution or Iodoral can make that claim. Sam > > > Chuck, this is yet another example of crying " Wolff-Chaikoff " . > > > > That was not at all the issue. Gracia said there wasn't enough iodine in kelp to either help or harm. However, some of those products contain up to 8 mg per GRAM of supplement. That means you can get comparable doses to Optimox, for good or ill. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 thanks for posting this. I think it is dangerous misinformation, although low doses in iodine deficient ppl can cause probs. the solution is not to throw the baby out with the bath water, but to treat the deficiency correctly. think of Albert Szent-Gyorgy! Gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > kelp is not going to give you too much iodine! It has been documented to give you enough to trigger Hashi's antibodies. In fact, the Canadian government required a warning label to that effect fairly recently. Here is a May 15 bulletin from the Canada Vigilance Program of the Marketed Health Products Directorate: OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - May 15, 2008) - Health Canada is warning consumers not to use the natural health product Trophic Kelp & Glutamic Acid HCl due to the health risk posed by exposure to high levels of iodine. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding, and individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease are particularly at risk. Excessive iodine exposure can result in an enlarged thyroid and may cause either hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid disease) or hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid disease) in susceptible individuals. Symptoms of hypothyroidism include weight gain, joint or muscle pain, fatigue, weakness, depression, increased sensitivity to cold, and abnormal menstrual cycles. Over time, untreated hypothyroidism may lead to infertility and heart disease. Hyperthyroidism symptoms include sudden weight loss, rapid or irregular heartbeat, increased sensitivity to heat, sweating, nervousness or irritability. Stroke is one of the most serious complications of hyperthyroidism. Unborn babies are very sensitive to high levels of iodine and may be born with an enlarged thyroid. Significant swelling of the thyroid could compress the baby's windpipe and interfere with breathing. As well, high levels of iodine in individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease may reduce the effectiveness of antithyroid medications. Health Canada cautions consumers, especially women who are pregnant or breastfeeding, individuals with thyroid disease such as Graves' disease or individuals with previous iodine deficiencies, to be aware that kelp products contain iodine, and advises them to consult their health care practitioners prior to taking these products. Here is the earlier warning from 2003 which involved the recall of two kelp products: Health Alert Health Canada advises against use of Seavite products containing iodine May 9, 2003 Health Canada is advising consumers not to use Seavite Premium Atlantic Kelp Blend and Seavite Premium Atlantic Kelp Tablets. These products, when consumed according to the instructions on the label, can provide 25 times the recommended daily allowance (RDA) per day of iodine for adults, and could lead to serious health consequences. These consequences are particularly noted in individuals with disorders of the thyroid gland, for pregnant women themselves as well as for their fetus, for the newborn of breastfeeding women, and for children of all ages. There have been three reports of serious adverse events, one of which required hospitalization, that have been attributed to the use of these two Seavite products. Both products have been recalled by the manufacturer, Newfoundland Aqua Products Inc. While iodine is necessary to ensure the healthy functioning of the thyroid gland, excessive iodine intake can lead to thyroid disorders, which can lead to heart problems. Excess iodine intake can manifest itself as either an under - or over-active thyroid. Consumers who have concerns should consult their health care provider. Individuals especially sensitive to the toxic effects of excess iodine are children of all ages, pregnant women and those who have been, or are, under a doctor's supervision for thyroid disease, have had previous iodine deficiency and have nodular goiter. In addition, pregnant and breast feeding women need to exercise caution as the fetus and nursing newborns are also highly susceptible to the adverse effects of excess iodine. Individuals taking amiodarone, a prescription drug for treating disorders of heart rhythm as well as those exposed to iodine containing radiocontrast agents, may also be at increased risk if they ingest these two Seavite products concurrently. The recommended daily allowance for iodine ranges from 90 micrograms (0.09 milligrams) per day for children aged 1-8 years to 150 micrograms (0.15 milligrams) per day for adults. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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