Re: National Health Care

[Guest guest]

Dear Reg,

I am going to fwd that reply to my friends who are all clammoring

for national health care. I have not ever wanted it, but I am so

outnumbered. It's like they say " be careful what you wish for---you

might get it " .

Have a great day!

Love,

--- In low dose naltrexone , " Reg Kreil " <regkreil@h...>

wrote:

> it seems that with healthcare cutbacks comes less services (go

> figure) Be aware all of you southern cousins, when we complain up

here it

> means it is really bad, so fight to keep what ever level of care you

have

> cause once it is lost it,s gone for good.

> I will shut up now & get off my soap box.

> Reg.

[Guest guest]

Hi , You can replace a car! What about a child? If one dies, do you

just go make another one? Have we, as a nation become that calloused? If so,

we really are in trouble!

Not only is our health care system broken, but so is our spirit! Dolores

Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote:

Instead of arguing with Jeff's figures, I will talk about the

insured. Anyone that has seen " Sicko " (whatever excesses that movie

has, it's really good on its main message) knows that insurance

companies make money when they turn people down, so people are denied

coverage for tests they need, procedures deemed too " experimental, "

and often have policies that their buyers don't understand the

consequences of when they get it. My son in law had to fight for a

year with his insurance company because he had a heart attack in

Boston and received heart surgery there, but his insurance company,

an HMO, thought he should have had that surgery in New York City,

where he was to go to only certain doctors and hospitals. My own son

and his wife had to have their baby induced because he insurance,

which she had as a graduate student, was ending when she got her

M.A., yet the baby was due a week later. As mentioned earlier, my

doctor told me of a woman who bought insurance didn't realize it

would not cover all her medical needs and found it didn't cover the

expenses involved in treating her RA. I hear from a friend that her

son who has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder has no insurance so has had

to get off his meds, so she is looking for a job at 70 since her

social security check is not enough to cover his medications. We

need not just National Health Insurance but an excellent, well-funded

system that would meet our needs. It would be good for business too,

since we can't compete with other countries whose employers don't

have to pay health benefits.

On Feb 22, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Jeffery wrote:

>

> Broken??? My car's broken, but it get's me back and forth, does

> what I

> need it to do, so I maintain realistic expectations and don't spend my

> money on a new one, or at least until AAA gets wise to me.

>

> The number of uninsured in the US that is consistently quoted is 47

> million (the Census Bureau report �Income, Poverty, and Health

> Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2005,� puts the initial

> number of uninsured people

> living in the country at 46.577 million). The same report notes that

> 9.487 mil are non-citizens; 8.3 mil earn between 50 - 75K annually

> (median income is $46,326); 8.74 mil earn >75,000K. So, that's

> about 17 mil that with responsible budgeting should be able to afford

> SOME health care insurance. Another 4 mil are between the ages 17 and

> 22, and either receive basic health care on campus through their

> college tuition enrollment or they are still on their parents plan

> because they live at home and attend school. That leaves about 16 mil

> or about 6% of the population who earn <50K and may have trouble

> buying insurance. Also in the same report.....45% if those w/o

> insurance are w/o for <4 months (i.e. between jobs, budget tight,

> etc.). 60% of those w/o report being in very good or excellent

> health.

> Crisis???

>

> rheumatic

> From: martysfolks2004@...

> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:28:57 -0800

> Subject: Re: rheumatic National Health Care

>

The heading says " National Health Care " not Political

> Commentaries. Fortunately, we are supposed to be a Democracy where

> the people rule. Let's get together as a nation of people who

> would like to see our " Health Care System Fixed " It's broken.

> Don't allow politics or religion to blur the importance of our

> message here. It is " National Health Care " . Dolores

>

Sue Emrick wrote: Isn't there another

> forum for political commentary?

>

> IMO this isn't the place for it.

> Sue

>

> rheumatic National Health Care

>Isn't it terrible how we have lost unions. You would think that people

> would get it that pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies

> are about

>raking in obscene amounts of money, IMO.

>

> You can thank our unions for one person digging the hole and the rest

>watching.

>Sue

[Guest guest]

The US is without doubt the greatest nation in the world. Our success is

based on principles exemplified by the constitution and, of course, individual

ability to be self expressing. We are the richest of all nations and share

wealth with our citizens by providing food stamps, free health care to

indigents, programs dedicated to support child care, the handicapped, seniors

and a

numerous host of other welfare, most of which are also offered free or at

little cost.

In our society everyone has the potential for success if they are willing to

do what it takes to become so. Unfortunately, there are those who are

unwilling to choose this path and feel that government has the responsibility to

provide the platform for more and more " free lunches " . Taking this approach

surely will put us on the road to socialism/communism. All for one and one for

all in theory may sound good, but it just doesn't work. Taking everything

into consideration, would anyone change our US standard of living for any other

country's standard of living? I don't think so.

As I said last week, none of us will change another's individual

convictions, so why don't we stick with our health issues?

Judy and

**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/

2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

[Guest guest]

" Staying with a company all your life because they carry health insurance is the

same thing as being an indentured slave. "

Slavery has not been abolished, it's actually expanded and shifted forms to

something less tangible, something you can't so easily point a finger at,

something that still has the fundamental power structure benefiting those on the

top.

When you look at the history of the socialist health insurance movement in the

US over the past 100+ years, the thing that stops it time and time again: the

insurance profiteers with lobby & crony control over politicians, the very

people we elect to represent us, not them.

Why would any low or middle class person (the vast majority of people)

continue to aid & abet the rich on the backs of everyone else?

mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...> wrote:

I agree! We should all be able to share equally in services that are

for the common good.

Staying with a company all your life because they carry health Insurance is the

same thing as being an indentured slave. Nobody should have to subject

themselves to any company just to insure that they receive health care. I

believe in social medicine. Sorry for the people that spend so much time as

indentured slaves just for health care. I believe that is exactly what is wrong

with our system. ~~~~Dolores

rhondagoebel <rhondagoebel@...> wrote:

Do people think it's reasonable to have a fire department, or a

library, 2 of the many examples of socialism that already infuse our

society? Any kind of insurance is a form of socialism, it's just a

matter of how fair and inclusive we're choosing to be.

Don't know why people are turned off by the concept of socialism, it

just means we all pitch in to make sure if someone's house is

burning & they want to ask the fire department for help, if someone

wants to read a book, or if someone needs health care, they have

that ability. You figure people would complain about the socialist

library system before a socialist health care system. Health care

seems like more of a fundamental basic right than reading books.

Can you imagine if we privatized the fire department & made it

available only to those able to pay? That's exactly what we're

doing with health care.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Sad stories......all worthy of much compassion, including my

own, but

>

> > not including my hard earned dollars. Certainly not more for

those who

>

> > clearly cannot manage them. Bottom line is.....my family's my

priority

>

> > and as long as voters (like me) who have some satisfaction with

their

>

> > family's health insurance arrangement far outnumber those who

lack any

>

> > satisfaction, Congress will not be impelled to thwart those

groups

>

> > that profit financially from the current arrangement.

>

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Leonie makes my point.

This is an international forum and it is inconsiderate for us to go on like

it's all about us. We all have strong feelings about this, one way or the

other, but it does not belong here. Let's help each other deal with our

illnesses and find other venues to vent our local political issues.

Take care,

Ute

[Guest guest]

I would like to second that!

Sue

Re: rheumatic National Health Care

Leonie makes my point.

This is an international forum and it is inconsiderate for us to go on like

it's all about us. We all have strong feelings about this, one way or the

other, but it does not belong here. Let's help each other deal with our

illnesses and find other venues to vent our local political issues.

Take care,

Ute

[Guest guest]

-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------

From: mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: National Health Care

Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:04:28 +0000

What's keeping me here is that I was born here, worked all my life like everyone

else, got sick and lost all I had worked for, ended up on Medicare. I am 71 yrs.

old and because of illnesses, both my own and that of my husband, we lack the

funds to leave, plus with this inflation rising and the economy falling, my

Social Security check which gets sent out once a month and btw, I paid for since

I started working from the day I graduated from high school, will not support me

in any other country. Our money losses value every day. I paid for my social

security and medicare and I am still paying as they remove almost $200.00/month

from our checks, plus our co-pays and we haven't even gotten to the Pharmacy

yet. So, I grew up in the system, worked for the system, paid my taxes, bought

my house, we got sick, lost our house, lost our jobs, lost our car, lost our

health coverage and had to use up all of our savings before we could get any

medical coverage. For 4 yrs. we had

to live in the park in an RV and serve as Camp hosts which are volunteers and

not paid employees. So, when people tell me we have this great country that

takes care of it's own, that we are the best in the world, I tend to wonder

where they get all the greatness grandeur thoughts. It hasn't been all that

great for me. BTW, ironically, I worked as a nurse for some 40+ years. Then when

I needed help, it wasn't there for me or my husband who suffered two strokes at

the age of 45. My friends all marvel at how well we have dug ourselves out. We

are striving to reach the poverty level income bracket. Hope we get there soon

before there is another war.~~~~~ I also wonder who is going to take care of all

the wounded and maimed soldiers that are coming back from Iraq? Will the system

be there for them? Or will we become a nation of limbless beggars with sign's

sitting on the sidewalk waiting for a handout. Food for thought,~~~~~~~~~Dolores

& Mike

Sue Emrick <semrick@...> wrote: Out of curiosity, it seems you have

traveled extensively, what is keeping you here?

Sue

Re: rheumatic Re: National Health Care

Bah! Humbug! We are approaching third world status. Would I exchange? Yes, and

there are many ex-pat's who agree. Dolores

Judkeels@... wrote: The US is without doubt the greatest nation in the

world. Our success is

based on principles exemplified by the constitution and, of course, individual

ability to be self expressing. We are the richest of all nations and share

wealth with our citizens by providing food stamps, free health care to

indigents, programs dedicated to support child care, the handicapped, seniors

and a

numerous host of other welfare, most of which are also offered free or at

little cost.

In our society everyone has the potential for success if they are willing to

do what it takes to become so. Unfortunately, there are those who are

unwilling to choose this path and feel that government has the responsibility to

provide the platform for more and more " free lunches " . Taking this approach

surely will put us on the road to socialism/communism. All for one and one for

all in theory may sound good, but it just doesn't work. Taking everything

into consideration, would anyone change our US standard of living for any other

country's standard of living? I don't think so.

As I said last week, none of us will change another's individual

convictions, so why don't we stick with our health issues?

Judy and

**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/

2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)