Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 I saw the comic strip on line with in the the 3 months. I think one of advocay type CFS sites has a copy of them. Actually there were more than two if I recall correctly. Sydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 http://www.creators.com/ <A HREF= " http://www.creators.com/ " >Creators.com - Comics, cartoons, opinion, features and more</A> Thank you Ray Colliton for posting this....... Peggy , Hope this helps, I thought it was about two years ago, around this time? Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 If your paper handles the comic then look for the syndication on the strip and write to them. You also might want to check www.united media.com/comics they carry a lot of comics and they have a e-mail addy there as well. Let me know if it is Kings instead, I'll see if I can dig up there addy as well. Bee > From: Peggomatic@... > > Hi all, > > this IS a CFIDS question, but a weird one. > > i'm trying to find a citation for something i'm mentioning in the CFIDS > anthology i'm putting together. the mention is of an offensive reference to > CFIDS in the comic strip " Kudzu " by Doug Marlette (syndicated nationally in > newspapers like the Boston Globe and Washington Post). he did two offensive > comic strips mentioning CFIDS that i know of, but the one i'm looking for > occured a couple of years ago. the text went something like " we have that > chronic fatigue syndrome moving into the area with an eighty percent chance > of lethargy. the forcast tomorrow - vague! with continued vagueness into > the weekend. " i need to find the date, page, and the newspaper in which is > appeared. can anybody help me? > > thanks > Peggy > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 That is a really good question there Deshea. I don't know how to give my opinion without sounding completely harsh or un PC, but I will try. Take our group for instance....we were given the diagnosis for our children and went on immediately to find other solutions before surgery ( growing rods ) I am not talking about the children who had the VEPTR or had to have the rods as a last resort. The majority of us I think are fortunate enough to be in a position with our kids to look into bracing, casting, whatever else besides rods. Perhaps these parents who went on for whatever reason and went straight to surgery took the advice of their docs and didn't investigate further options or perhaps they just didn't know enough to look for something else. The docs are to blame too...how many of them are suggesting casting or bracing?!? We all know the answer to that. There are some parents though who might think ( well I have seen articles from those who do) the rods are a quick fix and that is what they want. They don't want the long term treatments of casting, bracing and so on. They want their children to be straight and as quickly as possible. There was an article done in here in Houston on a girl who had rods placed,,,,no other options were ever considered. Again...let me reiterate. I am not grouping any parents together here. Some of your children had no options other than surgery, but you more than likely did look before you went ahead. I would hope these parents we are discussing though have found a support system so they can talk to others in their situations too. I don't know what I would have done or still do sometimes without being able to come to this group and talk or vent or ask questions. Again,,,if anyone is offended by this post, I apologize. I was not taking aim at anyone in particular, especially anyone on this group...just explaining what I think about this question. Tracey Random Question okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various methods that i have not even dared to look at). usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? i've always been very curious about this. back to your regularly scheduled program . . . deshea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 tracey, thank you for your very considerate response. i was not posting in judgement of anyone. on the contrary, i am just curious (hopefully, in this case it does not mean that curiosity killed the cat!). the only thing that i ever see about growing rods is from the papers that i read which are obviously very scientific and try not to put any emotion into it at all (obviously). i have learned so much from this group and would not know 1/2 of what i know if i only relied on my original ortho's information or even what was out in the literature at the time -- pre-Mehta article. considering the president of the srs is pro-growing rods, i wonder how that effects other orthos in the field in treatment of infantile scoliosis? anyway, if it wasn't clear, i don't mean to offend anyone at all. i would like to think that i am a very open-minded person. if i do run across the couple of parents who have chosen growing rods, it is because their child was not able to do the veptr due to kyphosis or other reasons. i try to encourage them to seek all of their options, but in the end, it is their decision. when they make it, i encourage and support their choice. i am not in their shoes. i don't mean to start a debate. i'm just curious . . . thank you, deshea On Jan 19, 2007, at 7:34 PM, Tracey wrote: > That is a really good question there Deshea. I don't know how to > give my opinion without sounding completely harsh or un PC, but I > will try. Take our group for instance....we were given the > diagnosis for our children and went on immediately to find other > solutions before surgery ( growing rods ) I am not talking about > the children who had the VEPTR or had to have the rods as a last > resort. The majority of us I think are fortunate enough to be in a > position with our kids to look into bracing, casting, whatever else > besides rods. Perhaps these parents who went on for whatever reason > and went straight to surgery took the advice of their docs and > didn't investigate further options or perhaps they just didn't know > enough to look for something else. The docs are to blame too...how > many of them are suggesting casting or bracing?!? We all know the > answer to that. There are some parents though who might think > ( well I have seen articles from those who do) the rods! are a > quick fix and that is what they want. They don't want the long term > treatments of casting, bracing and so on. They want their children > to be straight and as quickly as possible. There was an article > done in here in Houston on a girl who had rods placed,,,,no other > options were ever considered. > Again...let me reiterate. I am not grouping any parents together > here. Some of your children had no options other than surgery, but > you more than likely did look before you went ahead. I would hope > these parents we are discussing though have found a support system > so they can talk to others in their situations too. I don't know > what I would have done or still do sometimes without being able to > come to this group and talk or vent or ask questions. Again,,,if > anyone is offended by this post, I apologize. I was not taking aim > at anyone in particular, especially anyone on this group...just > explaining what I think about this question. > > Tracey > Random Question > > okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board > for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, > congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis > support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different > methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, > vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various > methods that i have not even dared to look at). > > usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about > casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where > are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod > surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar > to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, > complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with > the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of > children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have > growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? > i've always been very curious about this. > > back to your regularly scheduled program . . . > > deshea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Thanks Deshea, Like you, I was trying to not generalize groups of those who do casting/bracing or those who choose surgical routes. Like stated, some do not have the choice but to move forward with surgical procedures to treat their children. I was only trying to say those who went straight to surgery and may have benefited from casting/bracing/VEPTR may not have even been presented with those options by their orthos. Like you said, even the President of the SRS is pro growing rods. I feel for those parents who were not given all options if their children could have benefited from non surgical procedures or even the VEPTR ( I see that as a better solution to rods). I also feel for them if they didn't know to seek out groups such as this for more information so they could at least weigh all their options. I think bringing this up was not a bad thing, nor the beginning of a heated debate. Like you said, it was just curiousity. Tracey Random Question > > okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board > for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, > congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis > support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different > methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, > vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various > methods that i have not even dared to look at). > > usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about > casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where > are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod > surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar > to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, > complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with > the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of > children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have > growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? > i've always been very curious about this. > > back to your regularly scheduled program . . . > > deshea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hey Deshea, I am curious too. My son is 10 and has been wearing a brace for over 3 years. I was told by his ortho. that when he has his growth spurt around 12 years old ,depending on his curve that we may have to think about rod surgery.Is anyone at this spot of their child's life yet? I have put surgery out of my mind for the time being because his brace is working and his curve is staying at 35 degrees. Thanks, Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Good answer Tracey, and well said. I know pre-/ISOP, we did whatever the orthos told us to do. We regretted having Moriah fused and that she was born before casting was an available option. When her story went up on the website I actually prepared myself to receive emails from people asking me why we were so uninformed and made wrong decisions. (We never got any!!) We felt like the poster children for what not to do for a couple of years. We knew however, that it was much better to swallow our pride, and share Moriah's story in hopes of sparing other parents similar situations. We thank God every day that He provided care for Moriah. When we heard two years ago, the day before Thanksgiving, that she would have the Veptr, an enormous weight was lifted and we knew she would be ok. (NO fixing rod like the ortho wanted to do). Without ISOP and Lynx, it wouldn't have been possible. That's why I loved your quote so much. I kept thinking question mark, but I knew God was working and I had to be patient. It is so wonderful to have this group, and people to talk to. It is easy to be isolated when there are no other kids near you like your kid. Love you guys!!!!!! Shellie Tracey <pthahn@...> wrote: That is a really good question there Deshea. I don't know how to give my opinion without sounding completely harsh or un PC, but I will try. Take our group for instance....we were given the diagnosis for our children and went on immediately to find other solutions before surgery ( growing rods ) I am not talking about the children who had the VEPTR or had to have the rods as a last resort. The majority of us I think are fortunate enough to be in a position with our kids to look into bracing, casting, whatever else besides rods. Perhaps these parents who went on for whatever reason and went straight to surgery took the advice of their docs and didn't investigate further options or perhaps they just didn't know enough to look for something else. The docs are to blame too...how many of them are suggesting casting or bracing?!? We all know the answer to that. There are some parents though who might think ( well I have seen articles from those who do) the rods are a quick fix and that is what they want. They don't want the long term treatments of casting, bracing and so on. They want their children to be straight and as quickly as possible. There was an article done in here in Houston on a girl who had rods placed,,,,no other options were ever considered. Again...let me reiterate. I am not grouping any parents together here. Some of your children had no options other than surgery, but you more than likely did look before you went ahead. I would hope these parents we are discussing though have found a support system so they can talk to others in their situations too. I don't know what I would have done or still do sometimes without being able to come to this group and talk or vent or ask questions. Again,,,if anyone is offended by this post, I apologize. I was not taking aim at anyone in particular, especially anyone on this group...just explaining what I think about this question. Tracey Random Question okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various methods that i have not even dared to look at). usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? i've always been very curious about this. back to your regularly scheduled program . . . deshea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Your story of Moriah is a prime example of what I was referring to. Like you said, you guys had no other options really when Moriah was diagnosed. You didn't make the wrong decision...you made the best decision at the time based on what you were told and what you knew. I know regret is a tough cookie to swallow, but please don't ever second guess yourself! I think we have all second guessed ourselves at some point during our journey with our children. Heck...the night before we left Houston to go have Lexi's first cast placed, I sat and cried and wondered if I was doing the right thing...even though I knew at the time I was. I, like many others are glad you have shared Moriah's story....you guys are tough and strong and I am sure your story has helped and touched many :-) I am also glad the quote I shared touched you. It has made a profound impact on me and I refer it to several times a week if not daily. Also, you hit the nail on the head about this group. If not for it, I know I would be lost!! Tracey Random Question okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various methods that i have not even dared to look at). usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? i've always been very curious about this. back to your regularly scheduled program . . . deshea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 shellie, thank you for responding, and i didn't mean to bring up any past regrets or difficult emotions. i can't say it better than tracey -- she has a way with words -- just ditto what she said! unfortunately, some of the " older " (and i don't mean age but experience) parents on the board definitely paved the way for the new board members. i thank you and the group every day. i'm sorry if this random question was inappropriate. i don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. deshea On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Tracey wrote: > Your story of Moriah is a prime example of what I was referring to. > Like you said, you guys had no other options really when Moriah was > diagnosed. You didn't make the wrong decision...you made the best > decision at the time based on what you were told and what you knew. > I know regret is a tough cookie to swallow, but please don't ever > second guess yourself! I think we have all second guessed ourselves > at some point during our journey with our children. Heck...the > night before we left Houston to go have Lexi's first cast placed, I > sat and cried and wondered if I was doing the right thing...even > though I knew at the time I was. > I, like many others are glad you have shared Moriah's story....you > guys are tough and strong and I am sure your story has helped and > touched many :-) > > I am also glad the quote I shared touched you. It has made a > profound impact on me and I refer it to several times a week if not > daily. Also, you hit the nail on the head about this group. If not > for it, I know I would be lost!! > > Tracey > Random Question > > okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board > for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, > congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis > support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different > methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, > vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various > methods that i have not even dared to look at). > > usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about > casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where > are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod > surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar > to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, > complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with > the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of > children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have > growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? > i've always been very curious about this. > > back to your regularly scheduled program . . . > > deshea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Love ya Tracey!!! :0) We will be in Texas Sunday Feb 25th and leave Friday March 2nd. Expansion on the 27th. Shellie Tracey <pthahn@...> wrote: Your story of Moriah is a prime example of what I was referring to. Like you said, you guys had no other options really when Moriah was diagnosed. You didn't make the wrong decision...you made the best decision at the time based on what you were told and what you knew. I know regret is a tough cookie to swallow, but please don't ever second guess yourself! I think we have all second guessed ourselves at some point during our journey with our children. Heck...the night before we left Houston to go have Lexi's first cast placed, I sat and cried and wondered if I was doing the right thing...even though I knew at the time I was. I, like many others are glad you have shared Moriah's story....you guys are tough and strong and I am sure your story has helped and touched many :-) I am also glad the quote I shared touched you. It has made a profound impact on me and I refer it to several times a week if not daily. Also, you hit the nail on the head about this group. If not for it, I know I would be lost!! Tracey Random Question okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various methods that i have not even dared to look at). usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? i've always been very curious about this. back to your regularly scheduled program . . . deshea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Thanks Shellie and ditto!! :-) Good luck in Texas!! We will be sending Texas vibes your way! I am sorry I missed so many posts...for some reason my email was bouncing and I had to reactivate it today. I was beginning to think this mornin that this place had quieted down too much for this group!! LOL It was me though!! Again, good luck! You guys will do great. Tracey > That is a really good question there Deshea. I don't know how to give my opinion without sounding completely harsh or un PC, but I will try. Take our group for instance....we were given the diagnosis for our children and went on immediately to find other solutions before surgery ( growing rods ) I am not talking about the children who had the VEPTR or had to have the rods as a last resort. The majority of us I think are fortunate enough to be in a position with our kids to look into bracing, casting, whatever else besides rods. Perhaps these parents who went on for whatever reason and went straight to surgery took the advice of their docs and didn't investigate further options or perhaps they just didn't know enough to look for something else. The docs are to blame too...how many of them are suggesting casting or bracing?!? We all know the answer to that. There are some parents though who might think ( well I have seen articles from those who do) the rods are a > quick fix and that is what they want. They don't want the long term treatments of casting, bracing and so on. They want their children to be straight and as quickly as possible. There was an article done in here in Houston on a girl who had rods placed,,,,no other options were ever considered. > Again...let me reiterate. I am not grouping any parents together here. Some of your children had no options other than surgery, but you more than likely did look before you went ahead. I would hope these parents we are discussing though have found a support system so they can talk to others in their situations too. I don't know what I would have done or still do sometimes without being able to come to this group and talk or vent or ask questions. Again,,,if anyone is offended by this post, I apologize. I was not taking aim at anyone in particular, especially anyone on this group...just explaining what I think about this question. > > Tracey > Random Question > > okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board > for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, > congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis > support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different > methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, > vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various > methods that i have not even dared to look at). > > usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about > casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where > are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod > surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar > to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, > complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with > the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of > children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have > growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? > i've always been very curious about this. > > back to your regularly scheduled program . . . > > deshea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hey Deshea Hmmmm, good question (and great responses too! LOL). Growth rods were first mentioned to us when Siobhan was around 2 yrs old.... But by the time she turned 3 yrs, our Ortho of the time, told us that growth rods weren't being used much (nor by him) any more, because of " possible complications " . I'm guessing now, that he was already hearing about VEPTR - And this was 4+ yrs ago. I just thought that they weren't around much, consequently there wasn't much need for a support system? Maybe that's just my " rosy " optimistic view on the world? Plus parents have access to way more via the internet now, educating them into getting second opinions. Just my thoughts.... Jacki > > okay, this has always been in the back of my mind. there's a board > for infantile scoliosis, juvenile scoliosis, adolescent scoliosis, > congenital scoliosis, all scoliosis (nsf, spinekids, scoliosis > support, etc.). in all of those boards, people talk about different > methods both non-surgical and surgical. casting, bracing, veptr, > vertebral stapling, growing rods, and final fusion (the various > methods that i have not even dared to look at). > > usually, you have a lot of parents for the younger kids posting about > casting, bracing, and surgical methods. this is my question -- where > are all of the parents of young kids who get the growing rod > surgery????? i hardly ever see a post or hear of any board (similar > to the veptr board) with their concerns, questions, results, > complications, etc. where are they??? are they just so happy with > the results that they never go on-line to find other parents of > children in a similar situation. i know some kids on here did have > growing rods but now have veptr. where did you turn for support? > i've always been very curious about this. > > back to your regularly scheduled program . . . > > deshea > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Gloria I'm so glad to hear that your son is holding with bracing. If you don't mind my asking, does your Ortho mean a spinal fusion? We know that my little girl will need a fusion one day (she's only 7 yrs old right now), but I never think about it! I just can't. Have you looked into veterbral stapling? There is some talk of it now, and I've read of a couple of older kids (around your son's age I believe) on the NSF forum that are very happy with the results. I believe it doesn't work with large or very progressive curves.... Cheers, Jacki > > Hey Deshea, > I am curious too. My son is 10 and has been wearing a brace for over 3 > years. I was told by his ortho. that when he has his growth spurt around 12 years > old ,depending on his curve that we may have to think about rod surgery.Is > anyone at this spot of their child's life yet? I have put surgery out of my > mind for the time being because his brace is working and his curve is staying at > 35 degrees. > Thanks, > Gloria > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 The best temperatures for me are 50 to 70, with a stable barometer. Roni AthleticItaliano@... wrote: Random question. Do Thyroid people do better living in certain climates? For example warm? I am curious to know. I WANT OUT OF THE COLD! AJ **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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