Re: New to group/finally introducing my family

[Guest guest]

Using your own bone IS superior to cadaver bone,

which has to undergo all sorts of sterilization

processes and has no blood supply at all. BUT, having

the bone graft taken from your iliac crest is ,as

Rhonda and Mark know, more painful than any other part

of it. We have a new mechanism now called BMP (bone

morphogenic protein) which is the closest thing we

have to your own bone. It is incredibly costly, but

many surgeons are using this now to save the patient

from having to undergo the bone graft from your hip.

---

--- Mark R Hardin <gilachub@...> wrote:

> Thanks Rhonda -

>  

> I too have more lingering pain at the site of the

> graft (upper part of the rear of my left pelvic

> crest in my case - they take it form the posterior

> ewhen doind a posterior fusion - by the way my wife

> had fun with that one - you know, fusing my

> posterior!?  She wanted to know what they were

> fusing it to, and How I was going to go after the

> surgery! LOL, my surgean had a sense of humor too!)

> anyway I digress the pain at the graft removal site

> is still more sensitive and painful than any other

> part of the surgery.  I think that is common.  But,

> I am told that using your own bone in many cases

> does lead to quicker fusion as there is already a

> blood supply there and the tissue is more complete

> than the sterilized cadaver bone...It seems the more

> I look at these surgeries, the more trade-offs ther

> are...Any and all options can be successful, or not,

> depending on so many factors.  Thanks again.

>  

> To all those suffering with these the myriad of back

> pain, surgical recovery, and anticipation of

> surgeries, may God bless you all with healing and

> comfort in this Chritmas and Holiday season!!

>  

> Mark

>

>

> >

> > From: Babbitt <tpowell1977>

> > Subject: Re: New to

> > group/finally introducing my family

> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 2:18 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Also,

> >

> > Cervical fusion is almost always done totally from

> > the front. The back of the neck is where all the

> > pedicles and facet joints are, kind of looks like

> a

> > jigsaw puzzle in pictures of anatomy. The front is

> > where the disk can be reached. They put a titanium

> > plate in that covers as many levels as needed for

> > the

> > fusion, then use small titanium screws to attach

> the

> > plate to each vertebrae. It's a pretty quick

> surgery

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

I'd that the liquid part thatvthey said mimics the body's own bone healing only

a 1000 times faster?

Thanks!

Rhonda

On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Babbitt <tpowell1977@...> wrote:

Using your own bone IS superior to cadaver bone,

which has to undergo all sorts of sterilization

processes and has no blood supply at all. BUT, having

the bone graft taken from your iliac crest is ,as

Rhonda and Mark know, more painful than any other part

of it. We have a new mechanism now called BMP (bone

morphogenic protein) which is the closest thing we

have to your own bone. It is incredibly costly, but

many surgeons are using this now to save the patient

from having to undergo the bone graft from your hip.

---

--- Mark R Hardin <gilachub@...> wrote:

> Thanks Rhonda -

>

> I too have more lingering pain at the site of the

> graft (upper part of the rear of my left pelvic

> crest in my case - they take it form the posterior

> ewhen doind a posterior fusion - by the way my wife

> had fun with that one - you know, fusing my

> posterior!? She wanted to know what they were

> fusing it to, and How I was going to go after the

> surgery! LOL, my surgean had a sense of humor too!)

> anyway I digress the pain at the graft removal site

> is still more sensitive and painful than any other

> part of the surgery. I think that is common. But,

> I am told that using your own bone in many cases

> does lead to quicker fusion as there is already a

> blood supply there and the tissue is more complete

> than the sterilized cadaver bone...It seems the more

> I look at these surgeries, the more trade-offs ther

> are...Any and all options can be successful, or not,

> depending on so many factors. Thanks again.

>

> To all those suffering with these the myriad of back

> pain, surgical recovery, and anticipation of

> surgeries, may God bless you all with healing and

> comfort in this Chritmas and Holiday season!!

>

> Mark

>

>

> >

> > From: Babbitt <tpowell1977>

> > Subject: Re: New to

> > group/finally introducing my family

> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 2:18 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Also,

> >

> > Cervical fusion is almost always done totally from

> > the front. The back of the neck is where all the

> > pedicles and facet joints are, kind of looks like

> a

> > jigsaw puzzle in pictures of anatomy. The front is

> > where the disk can be reached. They put a titanium

> > plate in that covers as many levels as needed for

> > the

> > fusion, then use small titanium screws to attach

> the

> > plate to each vertebrae. It's a pretty quick

> surgery

>

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[Guest guest]

If it is they did say 5 cc's cost between 5-10K!

Thanks!

Rhonda

On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Babbitt <tpowell1977@...> wrote:

Using your own bone IS superior to cadaver bone,

which has to undergo all sorts of sterilization

processes and has no blood supply at all. BUT, having

the bone graft taken from your iliac crest is ,as

Rhonda and Mark know, more painful than any other part

of it. We have a new mechanism now called BMP (bone

morphogenic protein) which is the closest thing we

have to your own bone. It is incredibly costly, but

many surgeons are using this now to save the patient

from having to undergo the bone graft from your hip.

---

--- Mark R Hardin <gilachub@...> wrote:

> Thanks Rhonda -

>

> I too have more lingering pain at the site of the

> graft (upper part of the rear of my left pelvic

> crest in my case - they take it form the posterior

> ewhen doind a posterior fusion - by the way my wife

> had fun with that one - you know, fusing my

> posterior!? She wanted to know what they were

> fusing it to, and How I was going to go after the

> surgery! LOL, my surgean had a sense of humor too!)

> anyway I digress the pain at the graft removal site

> is still more sensitive and painful than any other

> part of the surgery. I think that is common. But,

> I am told that using your own bone in many cases

> does lead to quicker fusion as there is already a

> blood supply there and the tissue is more complete

> than the sterilized cadaver bone...It seems the more

> I look at these surgeries, the more trade-offs ther

> are...Any and all options can be successful, or not,

> depending on so many factors. Thanks again.

>

> To all those suffering with these the myriad of back

> pain, surgical recovery, and anticipation of

> surgeries, may God bless you all with healing and

> comfort in this Chritmas and Holiday season!!

>

> Mark

>

>

> >

> > From: Babbitt <tpowell1977>

> > Subject: Re: New to

> > group/finally introducing my family

> > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 2:18 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Also,

> >

> > Cervical fusion is almost always done totally from

> > the front. The back of the neck is where all the

> > pedicles and facet joints are, kind of looks like

> a

> > jigsaw puzzle in pictures of anatomy. The front is

> > where the disk can be reached. They put a titanium

> > plate in that covers as many levels as needed for

> > the

> > fusion, then use small titanium screws to attach

> the

> > plate to each vertebrae. It's a pretty quick

> surgery

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Yes, it does promote bone growth at a rate faster than

your own bone. It is a wonder material. It has bone

protein dna or something like that. Very interesting

stuff. You use crushed cadaver bone with the BMP and

it works great! It worked great for me!

---

--- Rhonda <loangoddess1961@...> wrote:

> I'd that the liquid part thatvthey said mimics the

> body's own bone healing only a 1000 times faster?

>

> Thanks!

> Rhonda

>

> On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Babbitt

> <tpowell1977@...> wrote:

>

> Using your own bone IS superior to cadaver bone,

> which has to undergo all sorts of sterilization

> processes and has no blood supply at all. BUT,

> having

> the bone graft taken from your iliac crest is ,as

> Rhonda and Mark know, more painful than any other

> part

> of it. We have a new mechanism now called BMP (bone

> morphogenic protein) which is the closest thing we

> have to your own bone. It is incredibly costly, but

> many surgeons are using this now to save the patient

> from having to undergo the bone graft from your hip.

>

> ---

> --- Mark R Hardin <gilachub@...> wrote:

>

> > Thanks Rhonda -

> >

> > I too have more lingering pain at the site of the

> > graft (upper part of the rear of my left pelvic

> > crest in my case - they take it form the posterior

> > ewhen doind a posterior fusion - by the way my

> wife

> > had fun with that one - you know, fusing my

> > posterior!? She wanted to know what they were

> > fusing it to, and How I was going to go after the

> > surgery! LOL, my surgean had a sense of humor

> too!)

> > anyway I digress the pain at the graft removal

> site

> > is still more sensitive and painful than any other

> > part of the surgery. I think that is common.

> But,

> > I am told that using your own bone in many cases

> > does lead to quicker fusion as there is already a

> > blood supply there and the tissue is more complete

> > than the sterilized cadaver bone...It seems the

> more

> > I look at these surgeries, the more trade-offs

> ther

> > are...Any and all options can be successful, or

> not,

> > depending on so many factors. Thanks again.

> >

> > To all those suffering with these the myriad of

> back

> > pain, surgical recovery, and anticipation of

> > surgeries, may God bless you all with healing and

> > comfort in this Chritmas and Holiday season!!

> >

> > Mark

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > - I agree that front (anterior) approach

> for

> > > cervical fusion is the most common entry today,

> > but

> > > as I said, just this year I had posterior

> cervical

> > > fusion. My surgeon, who is Board Certified,

> > trained

> > > at one of the best of the best here in

> Baltimore,

> > > and was recommended to me by several of my

> nursing

> > > friends as one to trust and one of the best,

> does

> > > the posterior approach if the disk(s) do not

> need

> > > replacing, and the reason for the surgery is to

> > > create space for the nerves to exit the spinal

> > > column. He does this to avoid complications,

> > > especially involving swallowing, the stats say

> 25%

> > > of anterior fusion patients nation-wide have

> > > swallowing complications ranging from minor to

> > > severe within the first year following surgery.

> > >

> > > As I wrote earlier, I had more, (I hear),

> > > post-surgical pain both than the normal

> posterior

> > > patient and certainly than anterior fusion

> > patients,

> > > immediately following the surgery, and had a

> > > laminectomy as well to remove a lot of the

> puzzle

> > > pieces along the back of my cervical spine you

> > soke

> > > of. One result, I think was a quicker fusion

> > > without a plate reducing rotation, allowing more

> > > rotation of my neck post-surgically with less

> > chance

> > > for complications, especially involving

> > swallowing.

> > > I am very happy with the results so far. It is

> > kind

> > > of amazing but three of my friends from my

> chirch

> > > also had cervical vertebral surgery - one a

> fusion

> > > with disk replacement anterior (a fulll year

> until

> > > fusion with spasms tring to swallow for weeks),

> > one

> > > a full skull to T1 fusion to correct a

> congenital

> > > defect (he was glad to be alive at 50! having

> not

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes ma'am! It's very expensive. But worth it in my

opinion. I came close to having the bone graft the

second time around, but my surgeon convinced me that

it wasn't the best way to go. The pain after is just

too tremendous to constitute using it instead of the

BMP. I'm so glad I listened! ---

--- Rhonda <loangoddess1961@...> wrote:

> If it is they did say 5 cc's cost between 5-10K!

>

> Thanks!

> Rhonda

>

> On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Babbitt

> <tpowell1977@...> wrote:

>

> Using your own bone IS superior to cadaver bone,

> which has to undergo all sorts of sterilization

> processes and has no blood supply at all. BUT,

> having

> the bone graft taken from your iliac crest is ,as

> Rhonda and Mark know, more painful than any other

> part

> of it. We have a new mechanism now called BMP (bone

> morphogenic protein) which is the closest thing we

> have to your own bone. It is incredibly costly, but

> many surgeons are using this now to save the patient

> from having to undergo the bone graft from your hip.

>

> ---

> --- Mark R Hardin <gilachub@...> wrote:

>

> > Thanks Rhonda -

> >

> > I too have more lingering pain at the site of the

> > graft (upper part of the rear of my left pelvic

> > crest in my case - they take it form the posterior

> > ewhen doind a posterior fusion - by the way my

> wife

> > had fun with that one - you know, fusing my

> > posterior!? She wanted to know what they were

> > fusing it to, and How I was going to go after the

> > surgery! LOL, my surgean had a sense of humor

> too!)

> > anyway I digress the pain at the graft removal

> site

> > is still more sensitive and painful than any other

> > part of the surgery. I think that is common.

> But,

> > I am told that using your own bone in many cases

> > does lead to quicker fusion as there is already a

> > blood supply there and the tissue is more complete

> > than the sterilized cadaver bone...It seems the

> more

> > I look at these surgeries, the more trade-offs

> ther

> > are...Any and all options can be successful, or

> not,

> > depending on so many factors. Thanks again.

> >

> > To all those suffering with these the myriad of

> back

> > pain, surgical recovery, and anticipation of

> > surgeries, may God bless you all with healing and

> > comfort in this Chritmas and Holiday season!!

> >

> > Mark

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > - I agree that front (anterior) approach

> for

> > > cervical fusion is the most common entry today,

> > but

> > > as I said, just this year I had posterior

> cervical

> > > fusion. My surgeon, who is Board Certified,

> > trained

> > > at one of the best of the best here in

> Baltimore,

> > > and was recommended to me by several of my

> nursing

> > > friends as one to trust and one of the best,

> does

> > > the posterior approach if the disk(s) do not

> need

> > > replacing, and the reason for the surgery is to

> > > create space for the nerves to exit the spinal

> > > column. He does this to avoid complications,

> > > especially involving swallowing, the stats say

> 25%

> > > of anterior fusion patients nation-wide have

> > > swallowing complications ranging from minor to

> > > severe within the first year following surgery.

> > >

> > > As I wrote earlier, I had more, (I hear),

> > > post-surgical pain both than the normal

> posterior

> > > patient and certainly than anterior fusion

> > patients,

> > > immediately following the surgery, and had a

> > > laminectomy as well to remove a lot of the

> puzzle

> > > pieces along the back of my cervical spine you

> > soke

> > > of. One result, I think was a quicker fusion

> > > without a plate reducing rotation, allowing more

> > > rotation of my neck post-surgically with less

> > chance

> > > for complications, especially involving

> > swallowing.

> > > I am very happy with the results so far. It is

> > kind

> > > of amazing but three of my friends from my

> chirch

> > > also had cervical vertebral surgery - one a

> fusion

> > > with disk replacement anterior (a fulll year

> until

> > > fusion with spasms tring to swallow for weeks),

> > one

> > > a full skull to T1 fusion to correct a

> congenital

> > > defect (he was glad to be alive at 50! having

> not

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

well my recovery was bad enough as it is.  I can't even imagine if I had to have

had that kind of added pain.  I want to let everyone know that the last couple

of weeks I've made leaps and bounds in my recovery and pain management finally. 

It may be because of my wonderful physical therapist; time, exercises, prayers. 

But I am feeling sooo much better; even walking steps kind of normally.  My PT

is teaching me how to walk, sit and breathe correctly; says I'm too guarded.  I

feel like a toddler.  I have to think about so much at once.  But she is right. 

I'm now only using my cane at night and in the a.m. when I'm stiff and if I go

out.  I'm trying to restore a more normal 'gait'.  I think I'm out of the woods

for spasms thank goodness.  I just sent back my 'I've fallen and I can't get up'

necklace. LOL. Emotionally, I'm still having a hard time with my now

non-existant relationship.  This too shall pass.

________________________________

From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:35:06 PM

Subject: Re: New to group/finally introducing my

family

Yes, it does promote bone growth at a rate faster than

your own bone. It is a wonder material. It has bone

protein dna or something like that. Very interesting

stuff. You use crushed cadaver bone with the BMP and

it works great! It worked great for me!

---

--- Rhonda <loangoddess1961> wrote:

> I'd that the liquid part thatvthey said mimics the

> body's own bone healing only a 1000 times faster?

>

> Thanks!

> Rhonda

>

> On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Babbitt

> <tpowell1977> wrote:

>

> Using your own bone IS superior to cadaver bone,

> which has to undergo all sorts of sterilization

> processes and has no blood supply at all. BUT,

> having

> the bone graft taken from your iliac crest is ,as

> Rhonda and Mark know, more painful than any other

> part

> of it. We have a new mechanism now called BMP (bone

> morphogenic protein) which is the closest thing we

> have to your own bone. It is incredibly costly, but

> many surgeons are using this now to save the patient

> from having to undergo the bone graft from your hip.

>

> ---

> --- Mark R Hardin <gilachub (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> > Thanks Rhonda -

> >

> > I too have more lingering pain at the site of the

> > graft (upper part of the rear of my left pelvic

> > crest in my case - they take it form the posterior

> > ewhen doind a posterior fusion - by the way my

> wife

> > had fun with that one - you know, fusing my

> > posterior!? She wanted to know what they were

> > fusing it to, and How I was going to go after the

> > surgery! LOL, my surgean had a sense of humor

> too!)

> > anyway I digress the pain at the graft removal

> site

> > is still more sensitive and painful than any other

> > part of the surgery. I think that is common.

> But,

> > I am told that using your own bone in many cases

> > does lead to quicker fusion as there is already a

> > blood supply there and the tissue is more complete

> > than the sterilized cadaver bone...It seems the

> more

> > I look at these surgeries, the more trade-offs

> ther

> > are...Any and all options can be successful, or

> not,

> > depending on so many factors. Thanks again.

> >

> > To all those suffering with these the myriad of

> back

> > pain, surgical recovery, and anticipation of

> > surgeries, may God bless you all with healing and

> > comfort in this Chritmas and Holiday season!!

> >

> > Mark

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > - I agree that front (anterior) approach

> for

> > > cervical fusion is the most common entry today,

> > but

> > > as I said, just this year I had posterior

> cervical

> > > fusion. My surgeon, who is Board Certified,

> > trained

> > > at one of the best of the best here in

> Baltimore,

> > > and was recommended to me by several of my

> nursing

> > > friends as one to trust and one of the best,

> does

> > > the posterior approach if the disk(s) do not

> need

> > > replacing, and the reason for the surgery is to

> > > create space for the nerves to exit the spinal

> > > column. He does this to avoid complications,

> > > especially involving swallowing, the stats say

> 25%

> > > of anterior fusion patients nation-wide have

> > > swallowing complications ranging from minor to

> > > severe within the first year following surgery.

> > >

> > > As I wrote earlier, I had more, (I hear),

> > > post-surgical pain both than the normal

> posterior

> > > patient and certainly than anterior fusion

> > patients,

> > > immediately following the surgery, and had a

> > > laminectomy as well to remove a lot of the

> puzzle

> > > pieces along the back of my cervical spine you

> > soke

> > > of. One result, I think was a quicker fusion

> > > without a plate reducing rotation, allowing more

> > > rotation of my neck post-surgically with less

> > chance

> > > for complications, especially involving

> > swallowing.

> > > I am very happy with the results so far. It is

> > kind

> > > of amazing but three of my friends from my

> chirch

> > > also had cervical vertebral surgery - one a

> fusion

> > > with disk replacement anterior (a fulll year

> until

> > > fusion with spasms tring to swallow for weeks),

> > one

> > > a full skull to T1 fusion to correct a

> congenital

> > > defect (he was glad to be alive at 50! having

> not

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Keep your chin up Rhonda. Tell me again how long it's

been since your surgery?

--- rhonda healy <loangoddess1961@...> wrote:

> well my recovery was bad enough as it is.  I can't

> even imagine if I had to have had that kind of added

> pain.  I want to let everyone know that the last

> couple of weeks I've made leaps and bounds in my

> recovery and pain management finally.  It may be

> because of my wonderful physical therapist; time,

> exercises, prayers.  But I am feeling sooo much

> better; even walking steps kind of normally.  My PT

> is teaching me how to walk, sit and breathe

> correctly; says I'm too guarded.  I feel like a

> toddler.  I have to think about so much at once. 

> But she is right.  I'm now only using my cane at

> night and in the a.m. when I'm stiff and if I go

> out.  I'm trying to restore a more normal 'gait'.  I

> think I'm out of the woods for spasms thank

> goodness.  I just sent back my 'I've fallen and I

> can't get up' necklace. LOL. Emotionally, I'm still

> having a hard time with my now non-existant

> relationship.  This too shall pass.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>

> spinal problems

> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:35:06 PM

> Subject: Re: New to

> group/finally introducing my family

>

>

> Yes, it does promote bone growth at a rate faster

> than

> your own bone. It is a wonder material. It has bone

> protein dna or something like that. Very interesting

> stuff. You use crushed cadaver bone with the BMP and

> it works great! It worked great for me!

>

> ---

> --- Rhonda <loangoddess1961> wrote:

>

> > I'd that the liquid part thatvthey said mimics the

> > body's own bone healing only a 1000 times faster?

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Rhonda

> >

> > On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Babbitt

> > <tpowell1977> wrote:

> >

> > Using your own bone IS superior to cadaver bone,

> > which has to undergo all sorts of sterilization

> > processes and has no blood supply at all. BUT,

> > having

> > the bone graft taken from your iliac crest is ,as

> > Rhonda and Mark know, more painful than any other

> > part

> > of it. We have a new mechanism now called BMP

> (bone

> > morphogenic protein) which is the closest thing we

> > have to your own bone. It is incredibly costly,

> but

> > many surgeons are using this now to save the

> patient

> > from having to undergo the bone graft from your

> hip.

> >

> > ---

> > --- Mark R Hardin <gilachub (DOT) com> wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks Rhonda -

> > >

> > > I too have more lingering pain at the site of

> the

> > > graft (upper part of the rear of my left pelvic

> > > crest in my case - they take it form the

> posterior

> > > ewhen doind a posterior fusion - by the way my

> > wife

> > > had fun with that one - you know, fusing my

> > > posterior!? She wanted to know what they were

> > > fusing it to, and How I was going to go after

> the

> > > surgery! LOL, my surgean had a sense of humor

> > too!)

> > > anyway I digress the pain at the graft removal

> > site

> > > is still more sensitive and painful than any

> other

> > > part of the surgery. I think that is common.

> > But,

> > > I am told that using your own bone in many cases

> > > does lead to quicker fusion as there is already

> a

> > > blood supply there and the tissue is more

> complete

> > > than the sterilized cadaver bone...It seems the

> > more

> > > I look at these surgeries, the more trade-offs

> > ther

> > > are...Any and all options can be successful, or

> > not,

> > > depending on so many factors. Thanks again.

> > >

> > > To all those suffering with these the myriad of

> > back

> > > pain, surgical recovery, and anticipation of

> > > surgeries, may God bless you all with healing

> and

> > > comfort in this Chritmas and Holiday season!!

> > >

> > > Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Babbitt <tpowell1977>

> > > Subject: Re: New to

> > > group/finally introducing my family

> > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:37 PM

> > >

> > > Mark,

> > >

> > > What do you mean by disk replacement with

> fusion?

>

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[Guest guest]

I had the TLIF surgery on Oct. 22nd.  I am excited about the healing session I

am to have with Alain Herriot who pioneered and wrote the advanced Quantum Touch

books/workshops this coming Monday.  I just sent him a letter to give him

details in case it helps.  It will be interesting to compare my Dec 4th x-rays

with the Jan 19th ones coming up to see the healing effect and I will keep you

guys posted. 

________________________________

From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:52:26 PM

Subject: Re: New to group/finally introducing my

family

Keep your chin up Rhonda. Tell me again how long it's

been since your surgery?

--- rhonda healy <loangoddess1961> wrote:

> well my recovery was bad enough as it is.  I can't

> even imagine if I had to have had that kind of added

> pain.  I want to let everyone know that the last

> couple of weeks I've made leaps and bounds in my

> recovery and pain management finally.  It may be

> because of my wonderful physical therapist; time,

> exercises, prayers.  But I am feeling sooo much

> better; even walking steps kind of normally.  My PT

> is teaching me how to walk, sit and breathe

> correctly; says I'm too guarded.  I feel like a

> toddler.  I have to think about so much at once. 

> But she is right.  I'm now only using my cane at

> night and in the a.m. when I'm stiff and if I go

> out.  I'm trying to restore a more normal 'gait'.  I

> think I'm out of the woods for spasms thank

> goodness.  I just sent back my 'I've fallen and I

> can't get up' necklace. LOL. Emotionally, I'm still

> having a hard time with my now non-existant

> relationship.  This too shall pass.

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Babbitt <tpowell1977>

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:35:06 PM

> Subject: Re: New to

> group/finally introducing my family

>

>

> Yes, it does promote bone growth at a rate faster

> than

> your own bone. It is a wonder material. It has bone

> protein dna or something like that. Very interesting

> stuff. You use crushed cadaver bone with the BMP and

> it works great! It worked great for me!

>

> ---

> --- Rhonda <loangoddess1961> wrote:

>

> > I'd that the liquid part thatvthey said mimics the

> > body's own bone healing only a 1000 times faster?

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Rhonda

> >

> > On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Babbitt

> > <tpowell1977> wrote:

> >

> > Using your own bone IS superior to cadaver bone,

> > which has to undergo all sorts of sterilization

> > processes and has no blood supply at all. BUT,

> > having

> > the bone graft taken from your iliac crest is ,as

> > Rhonda and Mark know, more painful than any other

> > part

> > of it. We have a new mechanism now called BMP

> (bone

> > morphogenic protein) which is the closest thing we

> > have to your own bone. It is incredibly costly,

> but

> > many surgeons are using this now to save the

> patient

> > from having to undergo the bone graft from your

> hip..

> >

> > ---

> > --- Mark R Hardin <gilachub (DOT) com> wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks Rhonda -

> > >

> > > I too have more lingering pain at the site of

> the

> > > graft (upper part of the rear of my left pelvic

> > > crest in my case - they take it form the

> posterior

> > > ewhen doind a posterior fusion - by the way my

> > wife

> > > had fun with that one - you know, fusing my

> > > posterior!? She wanted to know what they were

> > > fusing it to, and How I was going to go after

> the

> > > surgery! LOL, my surgean had a sense of humor

> > too!)

> > > anyway I digress the pain at the graft removal

> > site

> > > is still more sensitive and painful than any

> other

> > > part of the surgery. I think that is common.

> > But,

> > > I am told that using your own bone in many cases

> > > does lead to quicker fusion as there is already

> a

> > > blood supply there and the tissue is more

> complete

> > > than the sterilized cadaver bone...It seems the

> > more

> > > I look at these surgeries, the more trade-offs

> > ther

> > > are...Any and all options can be successful, or

> > not,

> > > depending on so many factors. Thanks again.

> > >

> > > To all those suffering with these the myriad of

> > back

> > > pain, surgical recovery, and anticipation of

> > > surgeries, may God bless you all with healing

> and

> > > comfort in this Chritmas and Holiday season!!

> > >

> > > Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Babbitt <tpowell1977>

> > > Subject: Re: New to

> > > group/finally introducing my family

> > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> > > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:37 PM

> > >

> > > Mark,

> > >

> > > What do you mean by disk replacement with

> fusion?

>

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