Re: For one reason or another ___________

[Guest guest]

You are describing in impingement problem which does not relate to

stability. Stability means that there is no slippage of the vertebrate.

When you turn your neck a certain way, bone spurs or a herniation etc is

impingeing upon a nerve root hence the numbness.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of citi_sue

Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:04 AM

spinal problems

Subject: For one reason or another ___________

I don't think I am getting accurate information from surgeons for one

reason or another.... So I was wondering if anybody else that has

had neck surguries (or problems) has or has had this problem.

They tell me that my neck is stable, but some days, like today, if I

move my head to one side.... instant numb shoulder and upper arm....

move my head back upright..... not numb. Move my head

again..numb..upright again..not numb. Get the picture?? To me it

doesn't seem that my neck would be stable if it does this.

I've had this problem off and on for almost a year. But some days it

doesn't do it at all. Some days it's REALLY bad. And I have the

similiar thing with my back. Only similiar though. I have a perment

numb big toe, top of my foot and shin from my herniated disc in my

back that was operated on last year.(twice) And activity such as

walking or sometimes just sitting, will make the numbness worse and

sometimes pain along with the numbness.

I just don't understand why the doctors usually act like I didn't

even say anything to them when I tell them about this. Like I was

talking to a wall. This doesn't come from my PCP, just the

surgeons. I was just wondering if others with similiar neck and/or

back problems have this same thing happen to them. I guess I'm

trying to find out if this is normal or not, or is indicitive of a

problem.... I'm just dumbfounded and confused.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Deb,

Thank you for the info.............my guess is that I probably have

bone spurs or something like that then. It sure is a

" pain in the neck " ! LOL

Hey.. how have you been doing/feeling lately? Okay I hope. I am

still in pool therapy, and it is going " okay " . It is amazing at how

HEAVY the body feels when I get out of the pool! I guess that shows

exactly how weak I really am. Well, you take care, and I do hope

you are doing good, as much as we can anyways. Godd bless you.

Sue

`

>

> You are describing in impingement problem which does not relate to

> stability. Stability means that there is no slippage of the

vertebrate.

> When you turn your neck a certain way, bone spurs or a herniation

etc is

> impingeing upon a nerve root hence the numbness.

>

> Deb RN

>

>

>

> From: spinal problems

> [mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

citi_sue

> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:04 AM

> spinal problems

> Subject: For one reason or another

___________

>

>

>

> I don't think I am getting accurate information from surgeons for

one

> reason or another.... So I was wondering if anybody else that has

> had neck surguries (or problems) has or has had this problem.

>

> They tell me that my neck is stable, but some days, like today, if

I

> move my head to one side.... instant numb shoulder and upper

arm....

> move my head back upright..... not numb. Move my head

> again..numb..upright again..not numb. Get the picture?? To me it

> doesn't seem that my neck would be stable if it does this.

>

> I've had this problem off and on for almost a year. But some days

it

> doesn't do it at all. Some days it's REALLY bad. And I have the

> similiar thing with my back. Only similiar though. I have a perment

> numb big toe, top of my foot and shin from my herniated disc in my

> back that was operated on last year.(twice) And activity such as

> walking or sometimes just sitting, will make the numbness worse and

> sometimes pain along with the numbness.

>

> I just don't understand why the doctors usually act like I didn't

> even say anything to them when I tell them about this. Like I was

> talking to a wall. This doesn't come from my PCP, just the

> surgeons. I was just wondering if others with similiar neck and/or

> back problems have this same thing happen to them. I guess I'm

> trying to find out if this is normal or not, or is indicitive of a

> problem.... I'm just dumbfounded and confused.

> Sue

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debra <i_ownaberner> wrote:

You are describing in impingement problem which does not relate to

stability. Stability means that there is no slippage of the vertebrate.

When you turn your neck a certain way, bone spurs or a herniation etc

is impingeing upon a nerve root hence the numbness.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Precisely.

Debra is correct.

Happens to me several times daily.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I don't know how long it's been since youhad your

surgery, but scar tissue buildup is an inevitable

consequence of surgery and scar tissue can entrap

nerves while it forms. This CAN cause some of your

symptoms.

I would strongly suggest that you seek out a

Fellowship Traied Pain Management Doctor. Not only can

they help treat the pain, they must diagnose where the

pain is coming from.

My pain physicians have been invaluable to the

diagnosis and treatment of my pain over the last two

years.

Did you have a discectomy or a fusion?

---

--- citi_sue <no_reply > wrote:

> I don't think I am getting accurate information from

> surgeons for one

> reason or another.... So I was wondering if anybody

> else that has

> had neck surguries (or problems) has or has had this

> problem.

>

> They tell me that my neck is stable, but some days,

> like today, if I

> move my head to one side.... instant numb shoulder

> and upper arm....

> move my head back upright..... not numb. Move my

> head

> again..numb..upright again..not numb. Get the

> picture?? To me it

> doesn't seem that my neck would be stable if it does

> this.

>

> I've had this problem off and on for almost a year.

> But some days it

> doesn't do it at all. Some days it's REALLY bad.

> And I have the

> similiar thing with my back. Only similiar though.

> I have a perment

> numb big toe, top of my foot and shin from my

> herniated disc in my

> back that was operated on last year.(twice) And

> activity such as

> walking or sometimes just sitting, will make the

> numbness worse and

> sometimes pain along with the numbness.

>

> I just don't understand why the doctors usually act

> like I didn't

> even say anything to them when I tell them about

> this. Like I was

> talking to a wall. This doesn't come from my PCP,

> just the

> surgeons. I was just wondering if others with

> similiar neck and/or

> back problems have this same thing happen to them.

> I guess I'm

> trying to find out if this is normal or not, or is

> indicitive of a

> problem.... I'm just dumbfounded and confused.

> Sue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue wrote:

I am

> still in pool therapy, and it is going " okay " . It is amazing at how

> HEAVY the body feels when I get out of the pool!

Hi Sue-

Keep with the pool therapy. You won't regret it. I was able to get

up and have a life " sorta " after four months of pool therapy 3x week.

It made all the difference after having been horizontal for 18 months.

in Oregon

[Guest guest]

Its really nice of you to share your knowledge and expertise with the rest of

us. I learn from you too.

thank you from all of us!

in DC

Re: For one reason or another ___________

Hi Sue,

I don't know how long it's been since youhad your

surgery, but scar tissue buildup is an inevitable

consequence of surgery and scar tissue can entrap

nerves while it forms. This CAN cause some of your

symptoms.

I would strongly suggest that you seek out a

Fellowship Traied Pain Management Doctor. Not only can

they help treat the pain, they must diagnose where the

pain is coming from.

My pain physicians have been invaluable to the

diagnosis and treatment of my pain over the last two

years.

Did you have a discectomy or a fusion?

---

--- citi_sue <no_reply > wrote:

> I don't think I am getting accurate information from

> surgeons for one

> reason or another.... So I was wondering if anybody

> else that has

> had neck surguries (or problems) has or has had this

> problem.

>

> They tell me that my neck is stable, but some days,

> like today, if I

> move my head to one side.... instant numb shoulder

> and upper arm....

> move my head back upright..... not numb. Move my

> head

> again..numb..upright again..not numb. Get the

> picture?? To me it

> doesn't seem that my neck would be stable if it does

> this.

>

> I've had this problem off and on for almost a year.

> But some days it

> doesn't do it at all. Some days it's REALLY bad.

> And I have the

> similiar thing with my back. Only similiar though.

> I have a perment

> numb big toe, top of my foot and shin from my

> herniated disc in my

> back that was operated on last year.(twice) And

> activity such as

> walking or sometimes just sitting, will make the

> numbness worse and

> sometimes pain along with the numbness.

>

> I just don't understand why the doctors usually act

> like I didn't

> even say anything to them when I tell them about

> this. Like I was

> talking to a wall. This doesn't come from my PCP,

> just the

> surgeons. I was just wondering if others with

> similiar neck and/or

> back problems have this same thing happen to them.

> I guess I'm

> trying to find out if this is normal or not, or is

> indicitive of a

> problem.... I'm just dumbfounded and confused.

> Sue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue wrote:

I was wondering if anybody else that has

had neck surguries (or problems) has or has had this problem.

They tell me that my neck is stable, but some days, like today, if I

move my head to one side.... instant numb shoulder and upper arm....

move my head back upright..... not numb. Move my head

again..numb..upright again..not numb. Get the picture??

Sue-

I used to lift both of my arms out in front of me and they would

both go numb. When I shared this with the NP, he said not to do it, I

was making it worse. My pain gets worse upon rotation, when I swivel

my neck to the right side. I also have worse pain when I bend my head

backwards. The PA said it was my facet joint.

I'm so glad you mentioned the big toe. I have recently, this is the

latest symptom, had sharp stinging pain in my right big toe. It is

the wierdest thing. Before that, my leg, one or the other, goes

completely numb with no feeling at all, after standing up and walking

or doing something for awhile upright.

The first symptom I had that things were getting worse in my neck

was a stabbing pain in my elbow. I couldn't believe it. I looked at

my elbow in amazement, it felt like someone was stabbing it with a

knife, and yet I was looking at it and it looked perfectly fine,

normal.

I think sometimes the doctors are making a mental notation that

we've gone to the next level of verification, or that what we have

communicated puts us on a different tract for treatment, and they

jump into implementing that mode. They don't always update us on what

is going on. I think I will ask a lot more questions when I start

getting medical care again.

in Oregon

[Guest guest]

You are welcome as well . I try to keep myself

humbled and open to using the knowledge God has

allowed me to gain...so I can help others. I am happy

to do it. The healthcare system is

frustrating...especially when you deal with a chronic

pain issue.

---

--- <wendy.tom@...> wrote:

>

> Its really nice of you to share your knowledge and

> expertise with the rest of us. I learn from you

> too.

> thank you from all of us!

> in DC

>

>

> Re: For one

> reason or another ___________

>

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> I don't know how long it's been since youhad your

> surgery, but scar tissue buildup is an inevitable

> consequence of surgery and scar tissue can entrap

> nerves while it forms. This CAN cause some of your

> symptoms.

>

> I would strongly suggest that you seek out a

> Fellowship Traied Pain Management Doctor. Not only

> can

> they help treat the pain, they must diagnose where

> the

> pain is coming from.

>

> My pain physicians have been invaluable to the

> diagnosis and treatment of my pain over the last two

> years.

>

> Did you have a discectomy or a fusion?

>

> ---

>

> --- citi_sue <no_reply > wrote:

>

> > I don't think I am getting accurate information

> from

> > surgeons for one

> > reason or another.... So I was wondering if

> anybody

> > else that has

> > had neck surguries (or problems) has or has had

> this

> > problem.

> >

> > They tell me that my neck is stable, but some

> days,

> > like today, if I

> > move my head to one side.... instant numb shoulder

> > and upper arm....

> > move my head back upright..... not numb. Move my

> > head

> > again..numb..upright again..not numb. Get the

> > picture?? To me it

> > doesn't seem that my neck would be stable if it

> does

> > this.

> >

> > I've had this problem off and on for almost a

> year.

> > But some days it

> > doesn't do it at all. Some days it's REALLY bad.

> > And I have the

> > similiar thing with my back. Only similiar though.

>

> > I have a perment

> > numb big toe, top of my foot and shin from my

> > herniated disc in my

> > back that was operated on last year.(twice) And

> > activity such as

> > walking or sometimes just sitting, will make the

> > numbness worse and

> > sometimes pain along with the numbness.

> >

> > I just don't understand why the doctors usually

> act

> > like I didn't

> > even say anything to them when I tell them about

> > this. Like I was

> > talking to a wall. This doesn't come from my PCP,

> > just the

> > surgeons. I was just wondering if others with

> > similiar neck and/or

> > back problems have this same thing happen to them.

>

> > I guess I'm

> > trying to find out if this is normal or not, or is

> > indicitive of a

> > problem.... I'm just dumbfounded and confused.

> > Sue

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I had my surgery in April 2004.....And I'm kind of embarrased that I

do not remember what kind of surgery I had other than I was fused

with titanium plates, screws, & rods @ C 3-4, 4-5, 5-6. I remembere

a little of what was wrong... stenosis that was pretty bad and

starting to compromise my spinal cord. Herniated disc at 5-6, and

between one two of my discs, they just weren't connected to eachother

any more. , when I saw the x-ray it was scary.... it was taken

with me holding my head forward, (at the center of my neck) the top

half my neck tilted forward, but the bottom half was straight. I

don't know what the medical term for that is?? Does it have one?? I

don't know how to explain it better. I also had paracenteral

protrusions.

Gosh I wish I could remember more. My memory isn't what it used to

be at all. discectomy--laminectomy, those come to mind. The

stenosis I have right now at C 2-3 is pretty bad too

I know I have problems with the Facets at that level also. I wish my

husband was here, he keeps good track of that stuff for me and has

all of my mri cd's put away somewhere.

Maybe I can download that later, and you could take a look at it or

post the mri report or something. Can those be downloaded onto this

site?

And I have to say and , I think the help you guys give us

is admirable, and I do appreciate it to no end. And the answers you

guys give.... its like you read our minds for exactly what kind of,

or how much information we are looking for that we don't get from our

doctors.

I would like to gather the proper information and post it to you at a

later time if you don't mind... or did I give you enough? Sorry if

this is scattered, I haven't had any sleep since about 6am

yesterday. Don't know how, but I managed to make it to pool therapy!

I will talk to you later.

Sleepless in Michigan ha ha ha

Sue.

>

> > I don't think I am getting accurate information from

> > surgeons for one

> > reason or another.... So I was wondering if anybody

> > else that has

> > had neck surguries (or problems) has or has had this

> > problem.

> >

> > They tell me that my neck is stable, but some days,

> > like today, if I

> > move my head to one side.... instant numb shoulder

> > and upper arm....

> > move my head back upright..... not numb. Move my

> > head

> > again..numb..upright again..not numb. Get the

> > picture?? To me it

> > doesn't seem that my neck would be stable if it does

> > this.

> >

> > I've had this problem off and on for almost a year.

> > But some days it

> > doesn't do it at all. Some days it's REALLY bad.

> > And I have the

> > similiar thing with my back. Only similiar though.

> > I have a perment

> > numb big toe, top of my foot and shin from my

> > herniated disc in my

> > back that was operated on last year.(twice) And

> > activity such as

> > walking or sometimes just sitting, will make the

> > numbness worse and

> > sometimes pain along with the numbness.

> >

> > I just don't understand why the doctors usually act

> > like I didn't

> > even say anything to them when I tell them about

> > this. Like I was

> > talking to a wall. This doesn't come from my PCP,

> > just the

> > surgeons. I was just wondering if others with

> > similiar neck and/or

> > back problems have this same thing happen to them.

> > I guess I'm

> > trying to find out if this is normal or not, or is

> > indicitive of a

> > problem.... I'm just dumbfounded and confused.

> > Sue

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I do like the pool therapy a lot, and for all the trouble I have had

with it on some days, I can tell a difference already. Last night was

when I really noticed that it was making a difference in my strength.

I was going down the stairs to the basement then I suddenly realized

that my legs were not shaking from my weakness.... I was rarely going

down the steps for that reason because it felt so unsafe and my husband

had me promise that I would not do the steps when he wasn't home.

Here I thought that pool therapy would be so easy... but it is a lot

of work doing just the simple things. I go twice a week, they were

going to change to once a week because of the different problems I

was having, but right now it seems to be working out okay. I wouldn't

mind if they changed it to 3 times a week. But they are not going to

do that until my problems from it decrease.... Yeah, I'll be sticking

with it. Take care , have a good day.

Sue

> I am

> > still in pool therapy, and it is going " okay " . It is amazing at how

> > HEAVY the body feels when I get out of the pool!

>

> Hi Sue-

> Keep with the pool therapy. You won't regret it. I was able to get

> up and have a life " sorta " after four months of pool therapy 3x week.

> It made all the difference after having been horizontal for 18 months.

> in Oregon

>