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Hi Kristi,

I know how horrible it is, but you have to stick it out. I'm on week #3 of

being off Effexor and I'm still not right--profuse sweating, dizziness, nausea.

But if you realize that it is something that will end, you can do it. It's not

forever, but it's not pleasant. Please hang in there and get off the crap. I

had a hard time coming off Lex also.

Deb

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My experience with Lex is horrible! I have tried cutting down, and the WD's

are horrible!

I feel like my head is a gigantic bubble, and I can't think for crap. I am

always sleepy, and I have NO sex drive....I am 25 and newly married so this

part really sucks!

But yet, the WD feelings are so horrible, that I absolutey couldn't stand

going completely off!

I just wish these damn drug companies would take a look at the side effects

and WD effects before putting it out on the market. I have been on it for

almost two years (right when it came out) started at 20mg, and I am now at

5mg.

I was on Celexa right before this at 40 mg and was having the same problems.

Kristi

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Give us your renin and aldo results and what is normal in the lab that did them.

What meds were you on and for what at the time of the testing?

Tell us about you history of low K.

Other details on HTN, nocturia etc would be helpful In a message dated 10/2/2004

8:44:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, " juliegf65 " <juliegf65@...> writes:

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>Hi there,

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>I was frequenting a message board for people with endocrine

>disorders, however recently test results have indicated that I have

>Conn's Syndrome. One of the other people posting told me about this

>site and here I am. I have been sick and undiagnosed for many years

>but now that I have these test results I am feeling hopeful. My

>blood pressure has been elevated and I have been having terrible

>migraines which I feel may be aggrevated by this syndrome. Also have

>been experiencing abdominal and facial swelling.

>It is great to find a site that brings together people with terrible

>illness.

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aldosterone 570 pmol/l (ref range 100 - 860)

renin activity 0.5 ng/ml/hr (ref range 1.0 - 4.0 ng/ml/hr)

aldo/renin ratio 1140

What do you think? I am seeing a local endocrinologist on Tuesday to

get some feedback as the endocrinologist who ordered the tests is

interstate (travelled to see him) and currently on holidays.

I was told that the facilitator of the board is actually a doctor

with Conn's. Is that correct?

-- In hyperaldosteronism , lowerbp2@a... wrote:

> Give us your renin and aldo results and what is normal in the lab

that did them. What meds were you on and for what at the time of

the testing?

>

> Tell us about you history of low K.

>

> Other details on HTN, nocturia etc would be helpful In a message

dated 10/2/2004 8:44:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, " juliegf65 "

<juliegf65@y...> writes:

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> >

> >

> >Hi there,

> >

> >I was frequenting a message board for people with endocrine

> >disorders, however recently test results have indicated that I

have

> >Conn's Syndrome. One of the other people posting told me about

this

> >site and here I am. I have been sick and undiagnosed for many

years

> >but now that I have these test results I am feeling hopeful. My

> >blood pressure has been elevated and I have been having terrible

> >migraines which I feel may be aggrevated by this syndrome. Also

have

> >been experiencing abdominal and facial swelling.

> >It is great to find a site that brings together people with

terrible

> >illness.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I have tried all SSRI's, with the exception of Wellbutrin. Prozac made me

violent, Paxil increased my anxiety, Zoloft of Effexor did not help at all. I

don't know what to do!

In a message dated 9/30/2004 11:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

bjarrett@... writes:

Apparently this drug is not for you. Either Celexa or Lexapro which are

really the same thing.

What other SSRI's have you tried, if any?

Barbara

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> My experience with Lex is horrible! I have tried cutting down, and the

WD's

> are horrible!

> I feel like my head is a gigantic bubble, and I can't think for crap. I

am

> always sleepy, and I have NO sex drive....I am 25 and newly married so

this

> part really sucks!

> But yet, the WD feelings are so horrible, that I absolutey couldn't stand

> going completely off!

> I just wish these damn drug companies would take a look at the side

effects

> and WD effects before putting it out on the market. I have been on it for

> almost two years (right when it came out) started at 20mg, and I am now at

5mg.

> I was on Celexa right before this at 40 mg and was having the same

problems.

>

> Kristi

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I can't really stick it out! I am also on 30mg of Valium a day to help with

vertigo caused by a stroke. Cutting has exabberated my stroke symptoms. I

wasn't on anything before my storke, but the benzos made me really depressed,

which is why I went on Celexa in the first place. I have tried taking 2.5mg

of Lexapro, and I can feel the WD effects within hours. I can deal with the

sweating, nausea, and vomoting, but I can't deal with vertigo, anxiety, and

the general feeling of not feeling like I am in my own head......I can't

describe it any better.

In a message dated 10/1/2004 5:47:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

damndanes@... writes:

Hi Kristi,

I know how horrible it is, but you have to stick it out. I'm on week #3 of

being off Effexor and I'm still not right--profuse sweating, dizziness,

nausea. But if you realize that it is something that will end, you can do it.

It's not forever, but it's not pleasant. Please hang in there and get off the

crap. I had a hard time coming off Lex also.

Deb

I am new

My experience with Lex is horrible! I have tried cutting down, and the

WD's

are horrible!

I feel like my head is a gigantic bubble, and I can't think for crap. I am

always sleepy, and I have NO sex drive....I am 25 and newly married so this

part really sucks!

But yet, the WD feelings are so horrible, that I absolutey couldn't stand

going completely off!

I just wish these damn drug companies would take a look at the side effects

and WD effects before putting it out on the market. I have been on it for

almost two years (right when it came out) started at 20mg, and I am now at

5mg.

I was on Celexa right before this at 40 mg and was having the same problems.

Kristi

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Tiredness and no sex drive were my main side effects. WD symptoms are a

whole different story!

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Is that the only side effect you experienced? Terry

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A agree. That might be the problem. It's worth a try...

Barbara

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> I'm not a doctor, but is it possible that your anxiety is not caused by an

imbalance or that the imbalance is not in serotonin? Wellbutrin is not an

SSRI, as it doesn't affect serotonin, but rather, I blieve, dopamine and

norepinephrine. Maybe you should talk to your doctor about non-SSRI methods

of controlling your anxiety?

>

> TE

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I trained with Dr. Connn and have see about 100 pts with it.

Ask what pts with proven Conns have had for aldo renin ratio in that lab. Has you K ever been low.?

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS (Biochemistry), MD

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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Has your BP response to spironolactone

been tested?

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS (Biochemistry), MD

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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In a message dated 10/5/04 18:27:46, juliegf65@... writes:

ther details on HTN, nocturia, etc., would be helpful In a message

> dated 10/2/2004 8:44:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "juliegf65"

> <juliegf65@y...> writes:

How many times do you get up to pee at night? How much do you pee, a little or a lot?

How long have you had to get up at night to pee before it is time to get up?

When you were tried on spironolactone for your BP or low K or high aldo renin ration did the need to get up to pee at night decrease?

If you do not have to get up to pee before it is time to get up means you do not likely have PA or its variants.

However one the average people with HTN have to get up to pee more than those without HTN.

Grim Hypothesis: The reason you have to get up to pee at night with HTN or PA relates to the fact that HTN, in general, cannot get rid of the excess salt they eat during the day. This can be done at night by keeping the BP up (when it normally goes down) in order to excrete the sodium. Thus many HTN have higher BP at night than NT folks and many do not go down at night much at all. They are called non-dippers as the BP does not normally go down at night.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS (Biochemistry), MD

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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I never know how to respond to these threads - at the top or the

bottom.

Anyway I saw an endocrinologist who does not think my results are

significant. I am disappointed as I feel I am symptomatic.

Based on the results that I have mentioned on this thread, are there

any opinions on this matter?

> > Give us your renin and aldo results and what is normal in the

lab

> that did them. What meds were you on and for what at the time of

> the testing?

> >

> > Tell us about you history of low K.

> >

> > Other details on HTN, nocturia etc would be helpful In a message

> dated 10/2/2004 8:44:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, " juliegf65 "

> <juliegf65@y...> writes:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >Hi there,

> > >

> > >I was frequenting a message board for people with endocrine

> > >disorders, however recently test results have indicated that I

> have

> > >Conn's Syndrome. One of the other people posting told me about

> this

> > >site and here I am. I have been sick and undiagnosed for many

> years

> > >but now that I have these test results I am feeling hopeful. My

> > >blood pressure has been elevated and I have been having

terrible

> > >migraines which I feel may be aggrevated by this syndrome. Also

> have

> > >been experiencing abdominal and facial swelling.

> > >It is great to find a site that brings together people with

> terrible

> > >illness.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Not that I am aware of, it has always been normal - sometimes even

high which confuses me. My Na is on the high side of normal too.

> I trained with Dr. Connn and have see about 100 pts with it.

>

> Ask what pts with proven Conns have had for aldo renin ratio in

that lab.

> Has you K ever been low.?

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS

(Biochemistry), MD

> Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

> Medical College of Wisconsin

> Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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> If you do not have to get up to pee before it is time to get up

means you do

> not likely have PA or its variants.

>

Uh oh... I rarely have needed to get up to pee in the middle of the

night, even before I was DX'd and treated. I guess that's not a

good sign, huh? Yet, my CT was positive. I am such a complex

patient! :-)

Thank you so much for being on this board and dealing with folks

like myself.

Thanks,

Mike

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My anxiety goes hand and hand with my vertigo from my stroke. I am not

taking Lexapro for anxiety, I am taking it for the depression that the benzos

caused. I have tried Lamictal, which caused heart palpatations, and Risperdal

which caused me to lactate.

In a message dated 10/4/2004 10:57:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

seagraeme@... writes:

I'm not a doctor, but is it possible that your anxiety is not caused by an

imbalance or that the imbalance is not in serotonin? Wellbutrin is not an

SSRI, as it doesn't affect serotonin, but rather, I blieve, dopamine and

norepinephrine. Maybe you should talk to your doctor about non-SSRI methods of

controlling your anxiety?

TE

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I wish that I COULD go on Wellbutrin because there is no loss of sexual

function with it. However, I am prone to seizures and I can not take it :(

In a message dated 10/4/2004 11:12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

ashmo27510@... writes:

Paxil was awful for me but a mixture of Wellbutrin and Lex has really helped

my depression and anxiety.

Ash

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What does PA stand for exactly? I'm knew to the board so be patient please.Thanks.Heidi

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> > If you do not have to get up to pee before it is time to get up means you do > not likely have PA or its variants. > Uh oh... I rarely have needed to get up to pee in the middle of the night, even before I was DX'd and treated. I guess that's not a good sign, huh? Yet, my CT was positive. I am such a complex patient! :-)Thank you so much for being on this board and dealing with folks like myself.Thanks,Mike

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What does PA stand for exactly? I'm knew to the board so be patient please.Thanks.Heidi

Primary aldosteronism.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS (Biochemistry), MD

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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The CT was positive means there is a bump on or in your adrenal.

A bump can be fat, lipoma, TB, pheo, neuroma as well as one that makes too much aldo or cortisol. Only biochemical testing of the blood draining the bump will tell you it has anything to do with your BP.

My motto is to never operate without the biochemistry that tells you what the bump is doing. I may just be a bump-so called nonfunctional adrenal adenoma and there are lots of them out there.

In a message dated 10/6/04 0:23:29, lord_mike_the_great@... writes:

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> If you do not have to get up to pee before it is time to get up

means you do

> not likely have PA or its variants.

>

Uh oh... I rarely have needed to get up to pee in the middle of the

night, even before I was DX'd and treated.  I guess that's not a

good sign, huh?  Yet, my CT was positive.  I am such a complex

patient!  :-)

Thank you so much for being on this board and dealing with folks

like myself.

Thanks,

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS (Biochemistry), MD

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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Raynaud's can be caused/aggravatged by BB. How long have you had it ahd how does it manifest?

In a message dated 10/6/04 20:36:14, hj.rankin5@... writes:

I have PA (now that I know what it stands for, I always though it was P. hy....) and I also have reynauds disease.  Could reynauds contribute to hbp?  Can you suggest how to combat that? As for the night urination. You are very lucky if you can make it through the night. Only maybe 4 or 5 nights since January have I slept thru.  I'm usually up 1x's or 2x's.

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Thank you doctor...  I forgot to add my blood and urine work

strongly suggest PA as well.  Aldo/renin ratio of 48 and elevated

urine aldosterone, but haven't had nightly urinary problem.  Some

days, when I've been feeling especially symptomatic (which is always

at night as you have noted), I would need to pee within 30 minutes

after laying down (and maybe once more), but once I had fallen

asleep I was usually ok.  Sometimes I'd wake up in the middle of the

night, but that was rare.

As for the other possibilities for the hypertensive stuff, pheo and

cushings have been extensively investigated.  I haven't been exposed

to TB.  Not sure aobut lipoma or neuroma, but I understand what you

are saying.  To my doctors credit, he still says "probable PA"

instead of definite, although it does make sense.

My BP is finally lowering again today.  I seem to have broken my

week-long hypertensive cycle.  I think an allergic reaction and cold

weather triggered it.  I also have reynauds disease, and when my

hands get cold, it seems that ALL my blood vessels sieze up as

well.  I don't know if that's a cause or the effect of some of my

problems.

Thank you again for helping all of us on this forum.  :-D

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > > If you do not have to get up to pee before it is time to get up

> > means you do

> > > not likely have PA or its variants.

> > >

> >

> > Uh oh... I rarely have needed to get up to pee in the middle of

the

> > night, even before I was DX'd and treated.  I guess that's not a

> > good sign, huh?  Yet, my CT was positive.  I am such a complex

> > patient!  :-)

> >

> > Thank you so much for being on this board and dealing with folks

> > like myself.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS

(Biochemistry), MD

> Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

> Medical College of Wisconsin

> Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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Thank you doctor... I forgot to add my blood and urine work

strongly suggest PA as well. Aldo/renin ratio of 48 and elevated

urine aldosterone, but haven't had nightly urinary problem. Some

days, when I've been feeling especially symptomatic (which is always

at night as you have noted), I would need to pee within 30 minutes

after laying down (and maybe once more), but once I had fallen

asleep I was usually ok. Sometimes I'd wake up in the middle of the

night, but that was rare.

As for the other possibilities for the hypertensive stuff, pheo and

cushings have been extensively investigated. I haven't been exposed

to TB. Not sure aobut lipoma or neuroma, but I understand what you

are saying. To my doctors credit, he still says " probable PA "

instead of definite, although it does make sense.

My BP is finally lowering again today. I seem to have broken my

week-long hypertensive cycle. I think an allergic reaction and cold

weather triggered it. I also have reynauds disease, and when my

hands get cold, it seems that ALL my blood vessels sieze up as

well. I don't know if that's a cause or the effect of some of my

problems.

Thank you again for helping all of us on this forum. :-D

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > > If you do not have to get up to pee before it is time to get up

> > means you do

> > > not likely have PA or its variants.

> > >

> >

> > Uh oh... I rarely have needed to get up to pee in the middle of

the

> > night, even before I was DX'd and treated.  I guess that's not a

> > good sign, huh?  Yet, my CT was positive.  I am such a complex

> > patient!  :-)

> >

> > Thank you so much for being on this board and dealing with folks

> > like myself.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS

(Biochemistry), MD

> Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

> Medical College of Wisconsin

> Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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I have PA (now that I know what it stands for, I always though it was P. hy....) and I also have reynauds disease. Could reynauds contribute to hbp? Can you suggest how to combat that? As for the night urination. You are very lucky if you can make it through the night. Only maybe 4 or 5 nights since January have I slept thru. I'm usually up 1x's or 2x's.

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Thank you doctor... I forgot to add my blood and urine work strongly suggest PA as well. Aldo/renin ratio of 48 and elevated urine aldosterone, but haven't had nightly urinary problem. Some days, when I've been feeling especially symptomatic (which is always at night as you have noted), I would need to pee within 30 minutes after laying down (and maybe once more), but once I had fallen asleep I was usually ok. Sometimes I'd wake up in the middle of the night, but that was rare.As for the other possibilities for the hypertensive stuff, pheo and cushings have been extensively investigated. I haven't been exposed to TB. Not sure aobut lipoma or neuroma, but I understand what you are saying. To my doctors credit, he still says "probable PA" instead of definite, although it does make sense.My BP is finally lowering again today. I seem to have broken my week-long hypertensive cycle. I think an allergic reaction and cold weather triggered it. I also have reynauds disease, and when my hands get cold, it seems that ALL my blood vessels sieze up as well. I don't know if that's a cause or the effect of some of my problems.Thank you again for helping all of us on this forum. :-DThanks,Mike> > >> > > If you do not have to get up to pee before it is time to get up> > means you do> > > not likely have PA or its variants.> > >> > > > Uh oh... I rarely have needed to get up to pee in the middle of the> > night, even before I was DX'd and treated. I guess that's not a> > good sign, huh? Yet, my CT was positive. I am such a complex> > patient! :-)> > > > Thank you so much for being on this board and dealing with folks> > like myself.> > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > May your pressure be low!> > Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS (Biochemistry), MD> Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology> Medical College of Wisconsin> Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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Hi Beth,

I am also a nurse.I've had " A " for 16 yrs.When I was first

diagnosed I couldn't find much info on this disorder.I only found

this group about 6-8 months ago.It is the greatest.It is full of info

and caring people that understand.Welcome to group.

Sherry from Ohio

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Hello Lynn

Welcome to the group, hope it helps you as much as its helped me over the

pst few wks.

Best wishes

Netty

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>Hello everyone. I just joined a few days ago and wanted to introduce

>myself

> My name is Lynn and I am the mother of four boys who range in age from

>almost 19 to 8. My 10 year old, , was diagnosed formally with AS in

>November. He had been diagnosed ADHD since the age of 4 and had been on

>some form of meds ever since. He is now ADHD med free and we are working

>towards beginning meds for the anxiety issues and noise sensitivity issues

>he has. He has a lot of phobias that affect all aspects of his life, here

>and at school. His grades are all over the place but his IQ testing put

>him

>at 169. He does a lot of stimming and has some echolachia. He can be loud

>and argumentative and has no friends at all. Every new kid at school is

>his

>friend for about a week until they get to know him and then they are gone.

>He is currently seeing a psychiatrist for meds and evaluations, and has an

>in-home therapist who visits either her or at school at least 4 times a

>week

> She is a god send and he really likes her. We are going for his IEP

>eligibility meeting on the 11th and I am hoping we can get some help in

>school. He had a 504 but we need to address the ED issues.

>Thank you for letting me be long winded!

>

>Lynn

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>Visit my website at www.my.tupperware.com/LynnDowns

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Welcome Lynn!! Glad to have you on board! Don't worry about being long-winded, we all are at times, that's why were here, to listen and be there for each other! Hope all works out well with your son. Lynn Downs <oboy4boys@...> wrote:

Hello everyone. I just joined a few days ago and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Lynn and I am the mother of four boys who range in age from almost 19 to 8. My 10 year old, , was diagnosed formally with AS in November. He had been diagnosed ADHD since the age of 4 and had been on some form of meds ever since. He is now ADHD med free and we are working towards beginning meds for the anxiety issues and noise sensitivity issues he has. He has a lot of phobias that affect all aspects of his life, here and at school. His grades are all over the place but his IQ testing put him at 169. He does a lot of stimming and has some echolachia. He can be loud and argumentative and has no friends at all. Every new kid at school is his friend for about a week until they get to know him and then they are gone. He is currently seeing a psychiatrist for meds and evaluations,

and has an in-home therapist who visits either her or at school at least 4 times a week. She is a god send and he really likes her. We are going for his IEP eligibility meeting on the 11th and I am hoping we can get some help in school. He had a 504 but we need to address the ED issues.

Thank you for letting me be long winded!

Lynn

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Hi Lynn,

I'm new to the list also and have mostly been

reading. I also have a 10 yr old (3 boys, 1

girl) who has not been dx yet. We just found

out that insurance will pay for his evaluation.

Our boys sound similar, I wanted to tell you

about a group called the son Institute.

This a group that helps gifted kids. My son has

attended the yearly gatherings and has made

similar friends there. Check out their website

and click on Young Scholars. www.ditd.org

Hope this helps,

Debbi

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> Hello everyone. I just joined a few days ago and wanted to

introduce myself

> My name is Lynn and I am the mother of four boys who range in age

from

> almost 19 to 8. My 10 year old, , was diagnosed formally

with AS in

> November.

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