need advice please

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sounds like you're doing well. I do notice a lack of veggies in your diet.

Add some in! They are good for nutrients and fiber and will keep you fuller

longer. Other than that, your sample meal plan and the timing of the meals

looks great. On the exercise, any reason you're not doing the ones outlined

in the book? The 20 minute cardio solution 3 times a week and the

weightlifting 46 minutes upper body, 42 minutes lower body 3 times a week?

Maybe you should try it that way and see if you can't get a more intense

weights workout in.

Park

need advice please

> I was hoping someone would be kind enough to help me

> out. I have been doing bfl for 4 weeks now and I

> haven't noticed much change by scale or by the fit of

> my clothes. So I am posting what I have been eating

> and how I spend my time at the gym hoping to get some

> pointers and anything I might be doing wrong. Thank

> you for you help. Oh yeah, just to let you know in

> case it might help. I'm 5' 3 " and 120 pounds. I'm not

> sure of bf% but I would like to lose fat and gain

> muscle.

>

> 6am 6 egg whites

> ½ cup oatmeal

> 1 tbsp flax oil

> 9am power bar

> 12pm protein shake

> 1 tbsp natural peanut butter

> 3pm ½ cup cottage cheese

> fat-free yogurt

> 6pm tuna

> yam

> 8pm ½ cup cottage cheese

> peach

>

> 1472 cals

> 32 fats (20%)

> 150 carbs (38%)

> 146 protein (42%)

>

> I spend 35 minutes on the elliptical and 35 minutes

> lifting weights, 5 days a week.

> Thank You

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, I agree with Colleen on the power bars (I must have zoned out on that

part :0))

Park

Re: need advice please

,

Have you taken measurements? If so, I'd compare and see if see any

changes. I know in week 4 I had only lost 1/2-1 lb but had

significant changes in waist and hip measurements.

As far as diet, the first thing I do is throw out the Power

Bars...definitely not BFL; not enough protein, too high in carbs and

sugar. Also what is in your protein shake, fruit or something? If

not, where are your carbs for that meal. Every meal should be protein

and carbs. What is the sugar content in your yogurt? You may want

to cut down to 1/2 tbsp of peanut butter also. Some things suggested

to me to really crunch down are (and these are just suggestions some

people do find without changing them)

limit fruit to once a day

limit processed carbs (bread, etc. to 1 serving per day if you have

to have it all, but try to eliminate it) and also try to eliminate

the yogurt if you can

Make sure you are drinking your water also

Also are you doing BFL workouts? If so, you should be doing 20MAS or

HIIT 3 times a week and lifting 3 times a week.

Colleen

> I was hoping someone would be kind enough to help me

> out. I have been doing bfl for 4 weeks now and I

> haven't noticed much change by scale or by the fit of

> my clothes. So I am posting what I have been eating

> and how I spend my time at the gym hoping to get some

> pointers and anything I might be doing wrong. Thank

> you for you help. Oh yeah, just to let you know in

> case it might help. I'm 5' 3 " and 120 pounds. I'm not

> sure of bf% but I would like to lose fat and gain

> muscle.

>

> 6am 6 egg whites

> ½ cup oatmeal

> 1 tbsp flax oil

> 9am power bar

> 12pm protein shake

> 1 tbsp natural peanut butter

> 3pm ½ cup cottage cheese

> fat-free yogurt

> 6pm tuna

> yam

> 8pm ½ cup cottage cheese

> peach

>

> 1472 cals

> 32 fats (20%)

> 150 carbs (38%)

> 146 protein (42%)

>

> I spend 35 minutes on the elliptical and 35 minutes

> lifting weights, 5 days a week.

> Thank You

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

,

I second Colleen's comments. The workout you describe is not strictly Body for

Life, which may explain your lack of results.

Cardio is catabolic (loosely translated, it breaks down tissue) while weight

training is anabolic (meaning it builds tissue). Therefore, the amount of

cardio you are doing may be hindering your ability to gain muscle. Doing both

in one day might be counterproductive for you.

The BFL workout is designed for you to do just enough cardio to burn fat but not

muscle. If you choose not to follow the BFL-style workout, I would advise that

you do either cardio, or weights, but not both, on the same day.

Personally, although I continue to eat BFL style, I am currently experimenting

with a weight training split that includes NO cardio. (I haven't done cardio

for over two months and I was a cardio JUNKIE!). Although I don't intend to do

it forever, I really think that I have seen much greater muscle gains this way.

Pat

[Guest guest]

Hi ! First off, let me say that 120 pounds is great!!! I would

definitely say you aren't getting enough calories IMHO to build

muscle. And you don't have any vegetables at all, that helps. You

are getting a lot of good protein sources too, but I wouldn't eat a

protein bar and immediately follow it with a shake. I would try to

mix it up a little and go for more natural carbs, like fruit.

Good luck with your challenge! Keep it up!

Jana

> I was hoping someone would be kind enough to help me

> out. I have been doing bfl for 4 weeks now and I

> haven't noticed much change by scale or by the fit of

> my clothes. So I am posting what I have been eating

> and how I spend my time at the gym hoping to get some

> pointers and anything I might be doing wrong. Thank

> you for you help. Oh yeah, just to let you know in

> case it might help. I'm 5' 3 " and 120 pounds. I'm not

> sure of bf% but I would like to lose fat and gain

> muscle.

>

> 6am 6 egg whites

> ½ cup oatmeal

> 1 tbsp flax oil

> 9am power bar

> 12pm protein shake

> 1 tbsp natural peanut butter

> 3pm ½ cup cottage cheese

> fat-free yogurt

> 6pm tuna

> yam

> 8pm ½ cup cottage cheese

> peach

>

> 1472 cals

> 32 fats (20%)

> 150 carbs (38%)

> 146 protein (42%)

>

> I spend 35 minutes on the elliptical and 35 minutes

> lifting weights, 5 days a week.

> Thank You

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Wow!!! No cardio? That's intense. I, too, am a total cardio junkie

and it was really tough my first time around to NOT do a lot of

cardio. But lo and behold those muscles crept out from under the

cardio-tired skin!!!

Let me know how you're progressing!!

Jana

> ,

>

> I second Colleen's comments. The workout you describe is not

strictly Body for Life, which may explain your lack of results.

>

> Cardio is catabolic (loosely translated, it breaks down tissue)

while weight training is anabolic (meaning it builds tissue).

Therefore, the amount of cardio you are doing may be hindering your

ability to gain muscle. Doing both in one day might be

counterproductive for you.

>

> The BFL workout is designed for you to do just enough cardio to

burn fat but not muscle. If you choose not to follow the BFL-style

workout, I would advise that you do either cardio, or weights, but

not both, on the same day.

>

> Personally, although I continue to eat BFL style, I am currently

experimenting with a weight training split that includes NO cardio.

(I haven't done cardio for over two months and I was a cardio

JUNKIE!). Although I don't intend to do it forever, I really think

that I have seen much greater muscle gains this way.

>

> Pat

[Guest guest]

Doug,

Am I right in thinking you live in Michigan? When I have to have any

significant procedure, I always go to U-M.

Bethany

In a message dated 11/4/2007 1:40:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dvlwksp@... writes:

Hi Doug,

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles; that's no fun at all. I do want to

tell you, though, that your kidney problems may very well be realted to your

gallbladder issues. About a year ago, my Mom was getting constant bladder and

kidney infections. She'd be on antibiotics to clear it up and they would come

right back as soon as she went off the antibiotics; she also felt like crap

all the time. Eventually, they determined that she had gall stones and her

gallbladder needed to come out. She was down for about 24-48 hours after the

surgery but was back to totally normal activities within a week AND her

kidney/bladder problems totally went away. She felt 100% better after the

surgery and

has just been a little more careful about what she eats (nothing too greasy

or spicey). As far as your fears about the surgery, I totally understand. I

felt the same way about having a c-section when my daughter was born. I was

intubated during surgery but came

right off of it right after waking up.

Please let us know how your appointmemt goes!

Milinovich, SMA Type I

Wife to , Mommy to - 7 Months Old!

_http://www.myspace.http://www.m_ (http://www.myspace.com/kindrana)

Need Advice Please

My just gave me some rather grim results from recent tests he's run. He

diagnosed me with something I have never heard of called porcelain gallbladder.

Its a hardening of the walls of the gallbladder and it takes on the appearance

of porcelain or somesuch. He said in some cases it can lead to cancer if not

removed. Well this threw me into total panic as I was under the impression

that surgery and related anesthesia problems were a no no for us. I mean I

just turned 50, am barely though sufficiently breathing on my own, my mouth

hardly opens....... ..how can I possibly survive that? I also cannot lay in bed

for long periods of time, how do I recuperate? He then proceeded to tell me I

have the lowest kidney function he has ever seen and my cholesterol was 248!!

Are there any websites or online info regarding surgery/anesthesia I can

direct the doctor when I see him on Tuesday? I know there's a little on

doctorbach.com but anything else? Whats you guys's

experience with surgery? I'm personally more concerned over the kidney thing

but maybe this doctor will address both issues. I'm just at wits end with

worry, if I were younger then maybe not so. Thanks as I have no one really to

turn to for advice, Doug

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[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles; that's no fun at all. I do want to tell

you, though, that your kidney problems may very well be realted to your

gallbladder issues. About a year ago, my Mom was getting constant bladder and

kidney infections. She'd be on antibiotics to clear it up and they would come

right back as soon as she went off the antibiotics; she also felt like crap all

the time. Eventually, they determined that she had gall stones and her

gallbladder needed to come out. She was down for about 24-48 hours after the

surgery but was back to totally normal activities within a week AND her

kidney/bladder problems totally went away. She felt 100% better after the

surgery and has just been a little more careful about what she eats (nothing too

greasy or spicey). As far as your fears about the surgery, I totally

understand. I felt the same way about having a c-section when my daughter was

born. I was intubated during surgery but came

right off of it right after waking up.

Please let us know how your appointmemt goes!

Milinovich, SMA Type I

Wife to , Mommy to - 7 Months Old!

http://www.myspace.com/kindrana

Need Advice Please

My just gave me some rather grim results from recent tests he's run. He

diagnosed me with something I have never heard of called porcelain gallbladder.

Its a hardening of the walls of the gallbladder and it takes on the appearance

of porcelain or somesuch. He said in some cases it can lead to cancer if not

removed. Well this threw me into total panic as I was under the impression that

surgery and related anesthesia problems were a no no for us. I mean I just

turned 50, am barely though sufficiently breathing on my own, my mouth hardly

opens....... ..how can I possibly survive that? I also cannot lay in bed for

long periods of time, how do I recuperate? He then proceeded to tell me I have

the lowest kidney function he has ever seen and my cholesterol was 248!! Are

there any websites or online info regarding surgery/anesthesia I can direct the

doctor when I see him on Tuesday? I know there's a little on doctorbach.com but

anything else? Whats you guys's

experience with surgery? I'm personally more concerned over the kidney thing

but maybe this doctor will address both issues. I'm just at wits end with worry,

if I were younger then maybe not so. Thanks as I have no one really to turn to

for advice, Doug

[Guest guest]

Doug,

I'm so sorry to hear about your health. I hope things start looking up

soon. I had gallbladder probs in 1999 but only needed a temporary tube placed

to

drain it. Details are sketchy b/c I was very sick at the time and

unconscious. At 29, I've had too many surgeries to list. Obviously I lived to

tell

. Look up anesthesia and SMA for starters. Intubation for me has never

been a huge deal even before my trach and they can intubate you thru your nose

if necessary. I've had some sort of breathing assistance since 13 yrs old. I

was able to be successfully extubated immediately after each surgery until

1999, but I'm not certain Bach's protocol was followed very well. During that

surgery my stomach muscles were cut and I'm a belly breather. After a few

years I was able to go all day without the vent and only use it for sleep. I

opted to keep the trach but have been told I can be decanulated and go back

to NIV if I ever want to. Since that surgery in 99 I've had a few surgeries

and some procedures that required general anesthesia or sedation and have done

fairly well. Intubation was not an issue b/c of the trach. One time I woke

up at the end of a procedure before the paralytic wore off. The procedure

was pretty much ending and I didn't experience any pain. It was scary but I

regained the ability to move about a minute later and was able to show them I

was awake. After each surgery/procedure I was back to baseline in a few

weeks or less. As for your concern about recuperating in bed, nowadays they

want you up and at 'em the day after or shortly after. I've learned the longer

I stay in bed the harder it is to finally get out.

It may sound morbid or very negative but I highly suggest you have a talk

w/your family AND doctor about what interventions you want and/or do not want if

you require any type of general or even sedation and a problem arises.

It's optimal to have this all written down in an advance directive therefor

there is no question of your desires and less stress on your family to make the

decisions for you. Make sure the document adheres to the requirements of your

state. It varies from state to state. In PA no lawyer is needed just your

signature and 2 witnesses.

I can answer more direct questions if needed. Just ask them .

Take Care,

Kimi

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In a message dated 11/4/2007 10:57:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

doug696@... writes:

My just gave me some rather grim results from recent tests he's run. He

diagnosed me with something I have never heard of called porcelain gallbladder.

Its a hardening of the walls of the gallbladder and it takes on the appearance

of porcelain or somesuch. He said in some cases it can lead to cancer if not

removed. Well this threw me into total panic as I was under the impression

that surgery and related anesthesia problems were a no no for us. I mean I

just turned 50, am barely though sufficiently breathing on my own, my mouth

hardly opens.......My just gave me some rather grim results from recent tests

he's

run. He diagnosed me with something I have never heard of called porcelain

gallbladder. Its a hardening of the walls of the gallbladder and it takes on

the appearance of porcelain or somesuch. He said in some cases it can lead to

cancer if not removed. Well this threw me into total panic as I was under the

impression that surgery and related anesthesia problems were a no no for us.

I mean I just turned 50, am barely though sufficiently breathing on my own,

my mouth hardly opens.......<WBR>..how can I possibly survive that? I also

cannot lay in bed for long periods of time, how do I recuperate? He t

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[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

I'm sorry you have to go through this. I am ventilator dependent and

did fine with anesthesia in three surgeries. They can fiberoptically

tube you through your nose. I made sure they used no muscle relaxant

anesthesia, and I pre-arranged eye signals for when I woke and was

still intubated. Eyebrows up = YES; Eyebrows down = NO. They 1st

asked about pain level and if I wanted the pain meds (toradol is non-

narcotic and works greatbut usually can't be taken for long, and 25 -

50 mcg of fentanyl every 30 minutes didn't decrease my breathing), and

then asked if I was to be extubated and if I wanted my daytime vent

with a mouthpiece or a mask. I had also pre-arranged to have a suction

machine ready because being tubed is so irritating...blood and mucus.

Here are two links for your doctor/anesthesiologist:

http://www.mdausa.org/publications/fa-sma-qa.html (general)

http://www.mdausa.org/publications/Quest/q73anesthesia.html (anesthesia)

Keep us posted.

Alana

[Guest guest]

i feel for you!

i was over 40 when i had to have my gallbladder removed, they managed to do

it keyhole so i was only in hospital one night. i really recommend using a

cough assist post op to clear your chest from all the gunk post op. i also

really really recommend shopping around for the best surgeon you can find

who has already done this keyhole 100's of times before. the first surgeon i

saw did'nt think he would even be able to attempt to do it keyhole as all my

bits have shifted into their own unique shape! then i found one who

specilized in extremely complex liver transplants who did gallbladders for

light relief and he was 90% confident he wouldnt have to open me right up.

of course this is all assuming you decide the gallballder needs to come out.

cheers

linda

On 11/4/07, Alana <alrt@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Doug,

>

> I'm sorry you have to go through this. I am ventilator dependent and

> did fine with anesthesia in three surgeries. They can fiberoptically

> tube you through your nose. I made sure they used no muscle relaxant

> anesthesia, and I pre-arranged eye signals for when I woke and was

> still intubated. Eyebrows up = YES; Eyebrows down = NO. They 1st

> asked about pain level and if I wanted the pain meds (toradol is non-

> narcotic and works greatbut usually can't be taken for long, and 25 -

> 50 mcg of fentanyl every 30 minutes didn't decrease my breathing), and

> then asked if I was to be extubated and if I wanted my daytime vent

> with a mouthpiece or a mask. I had also pre-arranged to have a suction

> machine ready because being tubed is so irritating...blood and mucus.

>

> Here are two links for your doctor/anesthesiologist:

> http://www.mdausa.org/publications/fa-sma-qa.html (general)

> http://www.mdausa.org/publications/Quest/q73anesthesia.html (anesthesia)

>

> Keep us posted.

>

> Alana

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just a tip for those of you who experience Urinary Tract Infections- I used to

get about 4-5 infections a year. I would take Bactrim and be back to normal.

However, since I added the Juice Plus to my diet, I have not experienced any

more UTI's. If you would like more info E-mail me directly at mbc543@....

Peace,

Beth

Need Advice Please

My just gave me some rather grim results from recent tests he's run. He

diagnosed me with something I have never heard of called porcelain gallbladder.

Its a hardening of the walls of the gallbladder and it takes on the appearance

of porcelain or somesuch. He said in some cases it can lead to cancer if not

removed. Well this threw me into total panic as I was under the impression that

surgery and related anesthesia problems were a no no for us. I mean I just

turned 50, am barely though sufficiently breathing on my own, my mouth hardly

opens....... ..how can I possibly survive that? I also cannot lay in bed for

long periods of time, how do I recuperate? He then proceeded to tell me I have

the lowest kidney function he has ever seen and my cholesterol was 248!! Are

there any websites or online info regarding surgery/anesthesia I can direct the

doctor when I see him on Tuesday? I know there's a little on doctorbach.com but

anything else? Whats you guys's

experience with surgery? I'm personally more concerned over the kidney thing

but maybe this doctor will address both issues. I'm just at wits end with worry,

if I were younger then maybe not so. Thanks as I have no one really to turn to

for advice, Doug

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for the suggestions, links and support. I feel a " tad " better LOL,

I'm about to worry myself to death though. I've always been a healthy person,

never had to deal with hospital stays, surgery etc. I'm getting a crash course

now! Doug

[Guest guest]

ok I have to ask...Beth, are you a distributor of this product?

Beth Carollo <mbc543@...> wrote:

Just a tip for those of you who experience Urinary Tract Infections- I used to

get about 4-5 infections a year. I would take Bactrim and be back to normal.

However, since I added the Juice Plus to my diet, I have not experienced any

more UTI's. If you would like more info E-mail me directly at mbc543@....

Peace,

Beth

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Joy,

Yes, absolutely I am distributor. Although I don't posesss the typical

distributor personality, after adding Juice Plus to my diet for almost 4 years,

my passion for the value of JP directs my eagerness to share it with everyone

and anyone.I am 52 yrs old- SMA 3. Sharing the gift of health has been a

fabulous experience for me. Thanks and take care.

Peace to You,

Beth

Re: Need Advice Please

ok I have to ask...Beth, are you a distributor of this product?

Beth Carollo <mbc543@...> wrote:

Just a tip for those of you who experience Urinary Tract Infections- I used to

get about 4-5 infections a year. I would take Bactrim and be back to normal.

However, since I added the Juice Plus to my diet, I have not experienced any

more UTI's. If you would like more info E-mail me directly at mbc543@....

Peace,

Beth

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Beth, I think when you're recommending a product that you also sell,

it's important to let people know up front that you have that financial

interest. If that information isn't upfront it can have the appearance

of being shady. Many of us are happy to support disabled

entrepreneurs, and it's good to know you use and benefit from the

product you sell.

Cheers!

Alana

[Guest guest]

I have not heard of using the juice plus to prevent UTI's, but I know a LOT of

the parents who use the AA diet for their children also use juice plus. I've

heard them swear by it. We've been using the " goodness of green " (and orange and

purple) powders in h's formula but I've contemplated switching over.

I'm assuming you are a distributor. If you'd like to chat about me possibly

buying from you, please feel free to give me a shout off-chat ;0)

Love and Hugs

Jeni

Need Advice Please

My just gave me some rather grim results from recent tests he's run. He

diagnosed me with something I have never heard of called porcelain gallbladder.

Its a hardening of the walls of the gallbladder and it takes on the appearance

of porcelain or somesuch. He said in some cases it can lead to cancer if not

removed. Well this threw me into total panic as I was under the impression that

surgery and related anesthesia problems were a no no for us. I mean I just

turned 50, am barely though sufficiently breathing on my own, my mouth hardly

opens....... ..how can I possibly survive that? I also cannot lay in bed for

long periods of time, how do I recuperate? He then proceeded to tell me I have

the lowest kidney function he has ever seen and my cholesterol was 248!! Are

there any websites or online info regarding surgery/anesthesia I can direct the

doctor when I see him on Tuesday? I know there's a little on doctorbach.com but

anything else? Whats you guys's

experience with surgery? I'm personally more concerned over the kidney thing

but maybe this doctor will address both issues. I'm just at wits end with worry,

if I were younger then maybe not so. Thanks as I have no one really to turn to

for advice, Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeni Woody,

I'd love to talk or E-mail you off the chat list- I'm sorry I don't have your

direct E-mail. Mine is mbc543@... Please let me know your e-mail address

or phone. My phone is 602 670-0199. I'd love to hear more about h. Thanks,

Beth

Need Advice Please

My just gave me some rather grim results from recent tests he's run. He

diagnosed me with something I have never heard of called porcelain gallbladder.

Its a hardening of the walls of the gallbladder and it takes on the appearance

of porcelain or somesuch. He said in some cases it can lead to cancer if not

removed. Well this threw me into total panic as I was under the impression that

surgery and related anesthesia problems were a no no for us. I mean I just

turned 50, am barely though sufficiently breathing on my own, my mouth hardly

opens....... ..how can I possibly survive that? I also cannot lay in bed for

long periods of time, how do I recuperate? He then proceeded to tell me I have

the lowest kidney function he has ever seen and my cholesterol was 248!! Are

there any websites or online info regarding surgery/anesthesia I can direct the

doctor when I see him on Tuesday? I know there's a little on doctorbach.com but

anything else? Whats you guys's

experience with surgery? I'm personally more concerned over the kidney thing

but maybe this doctor will address both issues. I'm just at wits end with worry,

if I were younger then maybe not so. Thanks as I have no one really to turn to

for advice, Doug

[Guest guest]

Thank you Alana. I will be sure to include this information in future entries.

This is my first chat and I was not aware of the proper procedures. Thanks

again.

Peace,

Beth

Re: Need Advice Please

Beth, I think when you're recommending a product that you also sell,

it's important to let people know up front that you have that financial

interest. If that information isn't upfront it can have the appearance

of being shady. Many of us are happy to support disabled

entrepreneurs, and it's good to know you use and benefit from the

product you sell.

Cheers!

Alana

[Guest guest]

They should have a para. With us it is a little

different, our school has Prek for children with

special needs. My sons teacher is retiring this year

but his para will stay one more year so to help with

the transition..

Have you tried sitting with her? I know one of the

other aids for the other room, my son cannot stand. I

think she yelled at him once and I kind of saw it.

She did not know I was his mom but had his arm pretty

tight. Now if she opens the door for him even with

his teacher standing inside, he will take 4 steps back

and not move. I really think my son has a great sense

for good people. He will surely need it in life.

WEndy B

--- billieissymom <billieissymom@...> wrote:

> My three year old Issy (DS) attendeds prekinder. in

> the local school.

> She was doing great in a inclusion class. But lately

> her teacher has

> been out of the classroom alot and Issy is refuseing

> to go into class

> with the new subs they have everyday. She needs to

> have the same person

> there as part of her routine or it really stresses

> her out. Here is my

> question has any of your children had a " Para

> teacher " with them all

> day thru out the school year? Issy has an IEP and is

> doing really well

> in class, she is on track with all the " normal " kids

> in class but she

> is behind in her speech and uses signs more than

> words. She just needs

> to have that familar face each day for her to feel

> confident and

> secure, or she gets really stressed and ends up

> crying and getting

> upset. So I thought about getting her a para for

> next year and was

> wondering if any of your children have had them and

> how it worked out

> and how you went about getting one for your child. I

> am in Kansas and

> it is a public school. Thank you so much!!!

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Berta, you definitely sound too tight. And for GOD SAKES DO NOT drink meat

tenderizer!!! Sandy I'm sure will chime in on this. Stick to the warm liquids

(not cold) until you can have some removed.

@...: berta@...: Mon, 9 Jun

2008 12:03:15 -0400Subject: Need advice please

I had my last fill May 7. I was adjusting to the new level fine untilFriday.

Friday night, about 7:00, I had grilled chicken and mushroomsfor dinner. I

skipped the grilled peppers and tomatoes in an effort toavoid irritating

anything. At 11:00 I was getting ready for bed andwithout any warning whatsoever

I vomited. It seemed to be just clearliquid with some of the seasoning from the

chicken mixed in. No food,not slime or saliva. Saturday I did liquids. Saturday

night I coughedup fluids in my sleep and have been sleeping upright ever since.

Yesterday was pure misery. I had horrible heartburn, even before eatinganything.

I did water all day and then in the evening I had somestrained cream of mushroom

soup. The soup went down, stayed down, noproblem. I think the warmth actually

helped soothe things a bit. This morning I have had several glasses of water.

That went well, so Itried a glass of milk. It felt like the milk sort of backed

up in mythroat and is sitting there. Some of it came back up in what I can

onlyassume is a " pb " . I called my doctors office to have fill taken out. They

will not see meuntil tomorrow and told me in the meantime to put meat tenderizer

inwater and drink that. I am afraid this will irritate my obviouslyalready

swollen pouch. I told her this and she said it would dissolvewhatever is in

there and I will feel better. It sounds ludicrous to me.Berta[Non-text portions

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Thanks , I think I need a new dr.

Need advice please

I had my last fill May 7. I was adjusting to the new level fine

untilFriday. Friday night, about 7:00, I had grilled chicken and

mushroomsfor dinner. I skipped the grilled peppers and tomatoes in an

effort toavoid irritating anything. At 11:00 I was getting ready for bed

andwithout any warning whatsoever I vomited. It seemed to be just

clearliquid with some of the seasoning from the chicken mixed in. No

food,not slime or saliva. Saturday I did liquids. Saturday night I

coughedup fluids in my sleep and have been sleeping upright ever since.

Yesterday was pure misery. I had horrible heartburn, even before

eatinganything. I did water all day and then in the evening I had

somestrained cream of mushroom soup. The soup went down, stayed down,

noproblem. I think the warmth actually helped soothe things a bit. This

morning I have had several glasses of water. That went well, so Itried a

glass of milk. It felt like the milk sort of backed up in mythroat and

is sitting there. Some of it came back up in what I can onlyassume is a

" pb " . I called my doctors office to have fill taken out. They will not

see meuntil tomorrow and told me in the meantime to put meat tenderizer

inwater and drink that. I am afraid this will irritate my

obviouslyalready swollen pouch. I told her this and she said it would

dissolvewhatever is in there and I will feel better. It sounds ludicrous

to me.Berta

[Guest guest]

Something badly irritated your stoma, sounds like. Mushrooms and

chicken are both hard to chew well, even when we start with the

needed pea-sized bite. Whn grilled, chicken can be dry, so sauces and

marinades are good.

You're swollen enough now that you're having the reflux at night, and

this is dangerous, so i'm glad you're seeing the doc for a small

unfill asap. Sleeping in a recliner is also a good way to prevent

aspirating at night, until you get the unfill.

Meat tenderizer is a terrible idea, imo. There is nothing positive it

can do to an already swollen and irritated stoma. the enzymes could

easily do even more damage. There is absolutely NO scientific reason

this could possibly work - using meat tenderizer on cut meat on the

counter takes hours to work, as the enzymes dissolve the meat fibers.

Also, WHY in the world would we want to put ther enzymes on the MEAT

of our stomach tissu????

The myth that meat tenderizer helps has been around for a very long

time, and simply is irresponsible. some have gotten into severe

trouble. i sure would not touch it.

all you can so is sip hot liquids today, and avoid all solids. place

a warm heating pad on your chest for 30 min every 2-3 hrs, to help

open nd realx the stoma, and encourage healing.

aim for at least 80 oz of fluid today, as any dehydration will make

everything worse.

Good luck tomorrow - you'll be fine after the unfill and a week or so

of rest and healing. I'd suggest liquids only for 24 hs after the

unfill too, and then a slow progression back to soft , then regular

foods, over a week or so.

Sandy r

>

> I had my last fill May 7. I was adjusting to the new level fine

until

> Friday. Friday night, about 7:00, I had grilled chicken and

mushrooms

> for dinner. I skipped the grilled peppers and tomatoes in an

effort to

> avoid irritating anything. At 11:00 I was getting ready for bed and

> without any warning whatsoever I vomited. It seemed to be just

clear

> liquid with some of the seasoning from the chicken mixed in. No

food,

> not slime or saliva. Saturday I did liquids. Saturday night I

coughed

> up fluids in my sleep and have been sleeping upright ever since.

>

>

>

> Yesterday was pure misery. I had horrible heartburn, even before

eating

> anything. I did water all day and then in the evening I had some

> strained cream of mushroom soup. The soup went down, stayed down,

no

> problem. I think the warmth actually helped soothe things a bit.

>

>

>

> This morning I have had several glasses of water. That went well,

so I

> tried a glass of milk. It felt like the milk sort of backed up in

my

> throat and is sitting there. Some of it came back up in what I can

only

> assume is a " pb " .

>

>

>

> I called my doctors office to have fill taken out. They will not

see me

> until tomorrow and told me in the meantime to put meat tenderizer in

> water and drink that. I am afraid this will irritate my obviously

> already swollen pouch. I told her this and she said it would

dissolve

> whatever is in there and I will feel better. It sounds ludicrous

to me.

>

>

>

>

> Berta

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

PS - be sure to sip fluid slowly, so they don't back up. this means 2-3

small sips, then a rest of 10-15 seconds, to allow them to go thru.

Warm and hot things are best, as they wuill relax and open the stoma.

cold things will shrink it further.

you may have to sip things all day long to get enough in, but this is

important.

sandy

>

> Something badly irritated your stoma, sounds like. Mushrooms and

> chicken are both hard to chew well, even when we start with the

> needed pea-sized bite. Whn grilled, chicken can be dry, so sauces and

> marinades are good.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandy,

You think a small unfill will do it? I don't need it all taken out?

I thought the meat tenderizer was a bad idea.

Berta

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of moonshadow.sandy

Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:17 AM

Subject: Re: Need advice please

Something badly irritated your stoma, sounds like. Mushrooms and

chicken are both hard to chew well, even when we start with the

needed pea-sized bite. Whn grilled, chicken can be dry, so sauces and

marinades are good.

You're swollen enough now that you're having the reflux at night, and

this is dangerous, so i'm glad you're seeing the doc for a small

unfill asap. Sleeping in a recliner is also a good way to prevent

aspirating at night, until you get the unfill.

Meat tenderizer is a terrible idea, imo. There is nothing positive it

can do to an already swollen and irritated stoma. the enzymes could

easily do even more damage. There is absolutely NO scientific reason

this could possibly work - using meat tenderizer on cut meat on the

counter takes hours to work, as the enzymes dissolve the meat fibers.

Also, WHY in the world would we want to put ther enzymes on the MEAT

of our stomach tissu????

The myth that meat tenderizer helps has been around for a very long

time, and simply is irresponsible. some have gotten into severe

trouble. i sure would not touch it.

all you can so is sip hot liquids today, and avoid all solids. place

a warm heating pad on your chest for 30 min every 2-3 hrs, to help

open nd realx the stoma, and encourage healing.

aim for at least 80 oz of fluid today, as any dehydration will make

everything worse.

Good luck tomorrow - you'll be fine after the unfill and a week or so

of rest and healing. I'd suggest liquids only for 24 hs after the

unfill too, and then a slow progression back to soft , then regular

foods, over a week or so.

Sandy r

>

> I had my last fill May 7. I was adjusting to the new level fine

until

> Friday. Friday night, about 7:00, I had grilled chicken and

mushrooms

> for dinner. I skipped the grilled peppers and tomatoes in an

effort to

> avoid irritating anything. At 11:00 I was getting ready for bed and

> without any warning whatsoever I vomited. It seemed to be just

clear

> liquid with some of the seasoning from the chicken mixed in. No

food,

> not slime or saliva. Saturday I did liquids. Saturday night I

coughed

> up fluids in my sleep and have been sleeping upright ever since.

>

>

>

> Yesterday was pure misery. I had horrible heartburn, even before

eating

> anything. I did water all day and then in the evening I had some

> strained cream of mushroom soup. The soup went down, stayed down,

no

> problem. I think the warmth actually helped soothe things a bit.

>

>

>

> This morning I have had several glasses of water. That went well,

so I

> tried a glass of milk. It felt like the milk sort of backed up in

my

> throat and is sitting there. Some of it came back up in what I can

only

> assume is a " pb " .

>

>

>

> I called my doctors office to have fill taken out. They will not

see me

> until tomorrow and told me in the meantime to put meat tenderizer in

> water and drink that. I am afraid this will irritate my obviously

> already swollen pouch. I told her this and she said it would

dissolve

> whatever is in there and I will feel better. It sounds ludicrous

to me.

>

>

>

>

> Berta

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Berta, Let's see what your doc thinks. I'd also ask hm more about

this meat tenderizer idea. I can't believe he ok's his staff to

advise things like that.

Usually, 1/2 to 1/3 of the fill is enough to get out. I'd suggst

trying 1/3, and hanging around for an hour near the office, sipping

hot liquids and see how it goes. they should go doewn easily. You can

get more out, if needed, but i bet tht will be enough.

Good advice from heather, too, as usual!

Sandy r

> >

> > I had my last fill May 7. I was adjusting to the new level fine

> until

> > Friday. Friday night, about 7:00, I had grilled chicken and

> mushrooms

> > for dinner. I skipped the grilled peppers and tomatoes in an

> effort to

> > avoid irritating anything. At 11:00 I was getting ready for bed

and

> > without any warning whatsoever I vomited. It seemed to be just

> clear

> > liquid with some of the seasoning from the chicken mixed in. No

> food,

> > not slime or saliva. Saturday I did liquids. Saturday night I

> coughed

> > up fluids in my sleep and have been sleeping upright ever since.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yesterday was pure misery. I had horrible heartburn, even before

> eating

> > anything. I did water all day and then in the evening I had some

> > strained cream of mushroom soup. The soup went down, stayed down,

> no

> > problem. I think the warmth actually helped soothe things a bit.

> >

> >

> >

> > This morning I have had several glasses of water. That went well,

> so I

> > tried a glass of milk. It felt like the milk sort of backed up in

> my

> > throat and is sitting there. Some of it came back up in what I

can

> only

> > assume is a " pb " .

> >

> >

> >

> > I called my doctors office to have fill taken out. They will not

> see me

> > until tomorrow and told me in the meantime to put meat tenderizer

in

> > water and drink that. I am afraid this will irritate my obviously

> > already swollen pouch. I told her this and she said it would

> dissolve

> > whatever is in there and I will feel better. It sounds ludicrous

> to me.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Berta

> >

> >

> >

> >