vitamin D

February 21, 2009

Hey Steph,

I will look up that doc. I have been taking calcium plus suppliment because I

have osteoporosis but the vit D has been a problem for me because I just don't

seem to process so the D3 hopefully will show up in the blood & do me some good.

Thanks for the info.

Loni

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Vitamin D

groups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:06 AM

Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning

face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I

was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,

and after some muscle testing, she thought that the

Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,

and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to

exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of

Vitamin D to a " whole food " D3 (plus lowering

the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage

formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I

can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney

stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc

February 21, 2009

Yikes, I hope I don't end up there. Loni

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Vitamin D

Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:04 AM

No that is not correct.

It is not: *a hospital SEEMS LIKE a hostile environment to someone who has

ES*

A hospital IS a hostile environment to someone who has ES.

1. They have mobile phone masts on their roofs.

2. They place the patients on metal beds, with electromotors beneath.

3. They administer injections which contain mercury.

4. They inject contrast fluid, which causes electrosensibility.

5. A lot of hospitals do have a lot of wireless stuff around.

So, a hospital is a very bad place to be.

Not only for people who are *ES*, but also for those who may become *ES*.

I have read somewhere, that the main cause for death is your doctor.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Bitdefender

Re: Vitamin D

>> I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.

>>

>> Now it seems, that only health problems are posted

>

> And concerns over an upcoming surgery seem somewhat relevant, as

> a hospital seems like a hostile environment to someone who has ES.

>

> Marc

>

February 21, 2009

Hi Loni

Â

I will look for the links of all of the stuff I have on Vit D and try to post

them - vitamin d is highly relevant to electrosensitivity because it helps to

transport neurotoxins from the brain [i know I definitely read that somewhere]

and it was one of the reasons why I decided to start taking it - it is also

supposed to help boost resistance to infection and others say it helps to

prevent cancer, something which EMFs are known to cause. I think it is

definitely an issue for this group on all of those counts. I haven't had

bloodwork done - I probably should have done but I had an idea I was deficient

from how I am at this time of the year in the past [dull grey skies, low

daylight and short days don't play well with me!] which was why I went ahead. I

could have asked my doctor to do a test, but our healthcare system in the UK is

not the same as yours and he'd have probably refused to do it and said it wasn't

necessary.

Â

Best wishes

Â

Steph

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Vitamin D

groups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:06 AM

Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning

face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I

was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,

and after some muscle testing, she thought that the

Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,

and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to

exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of

Vitamin D to a " whole food " D3 (plus lowering

the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage

formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I

can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney

stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc

February 21, 2009

I will be there on Friday - I wish I hadn't seen that post :-)

From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>

Subject: Re: Vitamin D

groups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:04 AM

No that is not correct.

It is not: *a hospital SEEMS LIKE a hostile environment to someone who has

ES*

A hospital IS a hostile environment to someone who has ES.

1. They have mobile phone masts on their roofs.

2. They place the patients on metal beds, with electromotors beneath.

3. They administer injections which contain mercury.

4. They inject contrast fluid, which causes electrosensibility.

5. A lot of hospitals do have a lot of wireless stuff around.

So, a hospital is a very bad place to be.

Not only for people who are *ES*, but also for those who may become *ES*.

I have read somewhere, that the main cause for death is your doctor.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Bitdefender

Re: Vitamin D

>> I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.

>>

>> Now it seems, that only health problems are posted

>

> And concerns over an upcoming surgery seem somewhat relevant, as

> a hospital seems like a hostile environment to someone who has ES.

>

> Marc

>

February 22, 2009

Hi, ,

I am sorry, and I sense that I am the one who has made you feel that this forum

is " women " dominated by my post to Daisy. This is why I do normally answer

these questions privately. I assure you I did not have the intention at all to

make this women dominated and " women's health dominated " and wrote the forum

about the health problems only because I see a trend toward women showing up

here with the same problems. THEY DO ALSO HAVE ES and it is connected. My

intention was to help others understand any possible health connections so that

we all can actually get past these other health issues and move on to how to

treat and overcome ES. If there are health issues connected with ES (and I

personally believe there are--fibromyalgia, celiac disease, and chronic fatigue

syndrome, and lymphatic congestion, for 4--I would personally want to know that

if I was looking for answers for my ES. Now, this is part of the record and we

can move on. Btw, I

would want the men to have the same treatment. I just do not see the men

showing up with the same subset of problems (I do see men showing up who have

lymphatic congestion and occasionally cfs; and this info I sent should apply to

them, as well). We have largely addressed the lymphatic issues in the past--as

well we should, since detoxing and lymphatic issues are key to ES.

I am sorry to have made you feel left out or abandoned, . I do so look

forward to all your informative posts. Please forgive me and lets try to

negotiate a peace treaty--one which will make all sides happy. You guys here

stop posting sometimes--when women show up to the forum for help you tend to

quit sending technical posts. We are not stopping you; you stop yourselves! I

think there is more than enough room here for both ideologies. But I do agree

with you that this forum should not become a male or female dominated or totally

health (or for that matter, technically dominated) forum. It should remain as

Marc initially intended it--a forum to search for helps for and answers to ES.

A large part of ES is very much technical. And we need that technical expertise

you and others here (usually men) provide. It doesn't have to be exclusively

either sided. Continue to contribute your part, . We are listening and

respect

what you have to say.

My 2 cents,

Diane

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Vitamin D

Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 11:33 AM

Hello Marc,

I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.

Now it seems, that only health problems are posted, and mainly women only

answering.

The postings by men are neglected.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Bitdefender

Re: Vitamin D

>> What sort of a Vit D were you taking before? and how much were you

>> taking?

>

> I was taking a Vitamin D tablet from Standard Process, a company

> which makes professional- grade supplements for doctors. The

> product was called " Cataplex D " , and I was (attempting) to

> take 3 tablets per day, or 2400 IU. But I could not tolerate

> this amount.

>

> http://www.standard process.com/ display/Standard ProcessCatalog. spi?ID=58

>

> I've previously tried 3 other brands of Vitamin D, but could not

> tolerate these either (including just plain old cod liver oil).

>

> So now my doctor has switched me to Innate Response Formulas

> Vitamin D-3, which is another doctor's brand, but this Vitamin D-3

> is a whole-foods vitamin, compared to 99.9% of the other brands

> which are synthetic:

>

> https://www. innateresponse. com/What_ s_the_Difference _.html

>

> And now my dose is down to 1 tablet per day of this new

> supplement, or 400IU.

>

> Note that I have no problem with lying out in the sun --

> my problem seems to just be with supplements,

>

> Marc

February 28, 2009

>

> Hi Bee and others,

>

> I have a question about vitamin D.

>

> Since it isn't even a vitamin and acts as a steroid hormone in the

> body ( much like prednisone ), wouldn't that mean it suppresses the

> immune system instead of boosting it?

>

> The reason I ask is, I met someone who had terrible psoriasis and

had

> been put on every med imaginable for the condition. This went on

for

> years and it never got better....until she met a functional

medicine

> doctor who told her to stop ingesting vitamin D and stay out of the

> sun. Then like magic, the psoriasis started to disappear. This

> doctor told her the Vitamin D was suppressing her immune system and

> not allowing it to fight off a bacteria in her system.

+++Hi Pam. Here's a good article about Vitamin D:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamindmiracle.html

>

> I thought psoriasis was caused by an overactive immune system, but

if vitamin D was suppressing it, why did the psoriasis clear up when

she lowered her D levels in her body?

+++Psoriasis and all other kinds of skin diseases, eruptions, moles,

etc. are caused by toxins coming out through the skin, which is one

of the body's best ways to detoxify since it protects vital inner

organs. " True " vitamin D from fish liver oils and foods helps the

body's entire detoxification processes, working along with other

nutrients and " good " fats I recommend - no nutrients work in

isolation of many others. In fact many members of this group have

cured all kinds of skin problems on this program, including getting

rid of skin tags, rashes, rosacea, moles, psoriasis, etc. - see thise

success stories:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best, Bee

May 22, 2009

Veri,

There's a growing thing with the Vitamin D. I knew about this alittle

over a year ago when Our Dr told me both Hubby and Step Dad was extremely

low on Vitamin D. Since then I have talked with a lot of people with it. Our

Dr has my Step Dad on 50,000 units to be taken once every Sunday and he has

to be out in the Sun for 20 minutes a Day. For my hubby he has to sit in

the sun for 20 minutes a day. Even though they both drink Milk it is so

little in Milk now a days. Due to the Sun exposure and skin cancer so many have

stayed inside which is not good either. The Sun gives us natural Vitamin D.

When I was little my grandma encouraged us to get outside and play. We

tanned which meant we were getting enough. But as with she has my

Mom's skin tone which we call it pale white. I keep a eye on skin tome with

all of them. As this can also be a sign they are getting sick as well.

Everyone needs to have this Vitamin D test done to make sure it is good

or low. Each Vitamin works along with each other to make you healthy as

well as keeping everything going. If one is off it can throw the body off. I

can tell you just 4 of my Step Dad's Vitamin D pills run $ 7.00 each. He

takes 1 per week.

If you have any Questions email me.

Robbin

**************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in

the U.S.

(http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntus\

trav00000002)

May 22, 2009

It is cheap to buy. They are finding many people are low on Vitamin

D. And in the northern states it is harder to get vitamin D. You

get vitamin D from sunlight. I am not low on vitamin D, but my

doctor believes it is a good thing to take. I take 1000 IU a day.

It is measured in international units. (IU) (n, 20,

systemic, and flying home tonight. I haven't seen her in 5 months)

On May 22, 2009, at 9:06 PM, veristroud@... wrote:

>

> Any idea on Vitamin D.? Today we got a call from the rheumy's nurse

> to say that had a very low level for Vit D.

> I have no idea what Vit. D does for te body or how it can be low.?

> She is to take 1200 mg per day.? They said it is over

> the counter so I hope it is inexpensive.? I did not get to the

> store tonight to check on it, I guess I will check it out tomorrow.

>

> Veri & Jaye 15 poly

>

May 22, 2009

,

I hope you have a great time with n. I was reading that the normal needs to

be near 50. Jaye's level was at less then 4. So we will get it tomorrow

and get her started. She is hoping it is in one or two pills and that she does

not have to take more then that.? I don't know what strength it comes in. She

already takes a handful of meds each night before bed.?

Veri & Jaye 15 poly

Re: Vitamin D

It is cheap to buy. They are finding many people are low on Vitamin

D. And in the northern states it is harder to get vitamin D. You

get vitamin D from sunlight. I am not low on vitamin D, but my

doctor believes it is a good thing to take. I take 1000 IU a day.

It is measured in international units. (IU) (n, 20,

systemic, and flying home tonight. I haven't seen her in 5 months)

On May 22, 2009, at 9:06 PM, veristroud@... wrote:

>

> Any idea on Vitamin D.? Today we got a call from the rheumy's nurse

> to say that had a very low level for Vit D.

> I have no idea what Vit. D does for te body or how it can be low.?

> She is to take 1200 mg per day.? They said it is over

> the counter so I hope it is inexpensive.? I did not get to the

> store tonight to check on it, I guess I will check it out tomorrow.

>

> Veri & Jaye 15 poly

>

May 23, 2009

In a message dated 5/23/2009 12:42:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

bc.price@... writes:

(n, 20,

systemic, and flying home tonight. I haven't seen her in 5 months)

Omgosh!!!! That's crazy!! I imagine it is pretty hard to go from

having them with you 24/7 to not seeing them for 5 months. I have to say I am

so

happy for you guys!! The years previous were so scary. Give her a hug

from me!! Have a great weekend, how long is she going to be home??

n and Holly (15)

Systemic jra since 9/94

**************A strong credit score is 700 or above. See Yours in Just 2

Easy Steps!

(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585033x1201462753/aol?redir=http://\

www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072 & hmpgID=115 & b

cd=Maystrongfooter52309NO115)

May 23, 2009

Hi Veri:

Hannah is vit d deficient. They have been treating her since October and having

a hard time getting her level to where it should be. There are not a lot

of studies on vit d deficiency in kids. For Hannah the optimal level is 32 or

greater. We stared on 800mg daily; went up to 1,200 daily for 2 months. She

dropped her level after that (typical Hannah fashion). She had gotten up to 26

then dropped down to 20. They then put her on prescription strength of 50,000

weekly for 4 weeks. We just had her lab drawn yesterday, so I don't know where

she is right now. It is very cheap both OTC and by prescription. The

prescription strength is usually weekly so you don't get a big quantity I think

I had a $4.00 copay for it.

Vit d deficiency mainly comes from the sun, well we are in Wisconsin so during

the winter months she doesn't get as much. When you are deficient it can

increase joint and muscle pain. Hannah can usually now tell when she is low by

how she is feeling. A friend from work told me the same thing, she can tell

when she's getting low on vit d.

Keep me posted on , she is the first non adult I've had to compare Hannah

to so I'll be interested in her progress. Which of 's doctor's is

treating her. Hannah is being followed by an endocrinologist, just curious.

Hope I helped a little.

Beth & Hannah, OA, HMJS; asthma; migraines, vitamin d deficiency

" We can't direct the wind, but we can adjust our sails " -author unknown

________________________________

From: " veristroud@... " <veristroud@...>

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:06:55 PM

Subject: Vitamin D

Any idea on Vitamin D.? Today we got a call from the rheumy's nurse to say that

had a very low level for Vit D.

I have no idea what Vit. D does for te body or how it can be low.? She is to

take 1200 mg per day.? They said it is over

the counter so I hope it is inexpensive. ? I did not get to the store tonight to

check on it, I guess I will check it out tomorrow.

Veri & Jaye 15 poly

May 23, 2009

Beth,

Jaye is being treated by her rheumy for this.? I do not know if he

ordered?the test ?because she was struggling with pain this last visit or if

maybe he ordered it before and?I just did not notice because this is the first

time I remember seeing this on her labs.? The rhuemy gave us the orders when we

were there last month but I chose to bring the script to my work to get it done

fora $5 fee rather then the charges at Children's Mercy.? Last time all

Jaye's labs were over $400 there and now with no insurance I just can not do

that.? After we had them drawn at the clinic I get to see the resutls before the

rhuemy does because my ped showed them to me.? She warned me that he would be

concerned about it.? Jaye has had more aches and pains over the last two

months then she had previously been having.? She has very little if any swelling

of joints but alot of pain.? Jaye spends time outside when she can but

she is so fair skinned that she burns easily. This summer she will be out alot

because she is babysittig a 10 year old boy and they plan to walk all over town.

Fortunatly this is a small town and people are always walking around so I will

not worry too much about her. With her level being just about 4 that sounds

pretty low to me. I researched some last night on the internet and found that

most people never know they are deficient.? We are supposed to be back to see

the rhuemy next month but I have not scheduled it yet. I am so out of time to

take off for appoinments and her's requires a full day each time.? This next

appointment we have to see the pain management also, so it will be a full day of

fun. Maybe I will get to take my cross stitch and do some stitching while they

are working with Jaye, but I know I will need to be involved in that four

hour appointment also.

Veri & Jaye 15 poly

Vitamin D

Any idea on Vitamin D.? Today we got a call from the rheumy's nurse to say that

had a very low level for Vit D.

I have no idea what Vit. D does for te body or how it can be low.? She is to

take 1200 mg per day.? They said it is over

the counter so I hope it is inexpensive. ? I did not get to the store tonight to

check on it, I guess I will check it out tomorrow.

Veri & Jaye 15 poly

May 23, 2009

Robbin,

Thanks for your response to all my questions. The research I found just last

night said that this is a new things that doctors are finding more and more of.?

I wonder if it is becasue most people work inside and work longer hours then

they used to. Also because there is such a concern about cancer from the sun.?

Looking at the vit D level is not just a common test like a CBC. The nurses at

my clinic had not drawn for it before.? I think they had sent some to another

lab to have it drawn maybe but they were uncertain as to what tube to use and if

we could even draw it at our lab.? Many things have to be drawn and tested

immediatly and we do nothave that capability for most things right now.? We draw

our labs and keep them refrigerated til we can take them to our hospital to get

them processed. Jaye will not complain but she is not thrilled to add

aother pill to her handfull that she already takes.