Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 In a message dated 8/4/2006 12:10:18 PM Central Daylight Time, dw1@... writes: > Pounding the veges for fermentation is like Israili gov to attatk > lebanon people. > > The common answer is " Stop it or you will ruin the whole thing.Or you > loose in the first place. " > > Sorry, You can delete this message. Isao, I just started a new batch of Kimchi. Sure wish I had a nice bunch of Swiss Chard to include in it, chard is so delicious and loaded with nutrients. ----Craic Nebraska Alliance - Times Herald Lincoln , Nebraska July 19, 2006 ** Why the World Should Stand Back and Let Israel Do What It Has To Do ** **by Dave , Capt. retired, US Navy When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo ( Philippines ) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship. All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear. Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx. Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows. Nobody moved. Not one person. The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker. Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly. Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back. You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: " Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch] " . He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage. This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong. Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully. Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked " I give up " , and we gently backed the sailor away from him. I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today. I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors: This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat. Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today. President Lahoud of Lebanon , a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria , has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire. Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt . Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success: ** Instigate a war. ** Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population.. and will force a truce. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed. Not once. In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there! President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to " Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters. " Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country. And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw. As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak- hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 In a message dated 8/4/2006 6:54:25 PM Central Daylight Time, rosko@... writes: > >Nebraska Alliance - Times Herald > >Lincoln , Nebraska July 19, 2006 > >[...] I suggest that we don't turn this list into yet another shit fight about what the Israelis are doing to Lebanon, nor what the Yanks are doing to Iraq. I've already seen three lists and a couple of newsgroups descend into that mire. Yes, it's a serious issue, and yes, it gets people's emotions running, and no, it has nothing to do with fermentation. cheers, Ross. Ross, I agree. You responded to my post. I responded to Isao's post. Perhaps your post would have been better directed toward the original OT post? Isao would have to agree that direct, absolute, sheer and unmitigated attention cured a like circumstance which ended the US/Japan dispute. Some of us do not need the wheedling " Why can't we just all get along " mantra which does nothing to cure the problem. We have come to realize real evil exists. We live in a world that has uncircumscribed desires and unbridled passions engulfing us daily and then force fed to us thru the biased media. I absorbed absolutely NO healthful information from the OT post that kicked off my response, nor from yours either. To the List, I apologize for yet another induced OT. To the bullies I say " (Punch) Say (Punch) you're (Punch) sorry (Punch), say (Punch) you (Punch) quit " . If that upsets you,,,,, Punch. It is much to the discredit of stress that we have many of our health issues. Political stress, vocational stress and domestic stress all takes it's toll. We are healthier when we take the initiative and participate in cordinating our energies toward real health (mental as well as physical) pursuits. I never took kindly to provocation. ---A Proud American Veteran whose children doesn't speak Japanese by Govt. dictation. In a message dated 8/4/2006 12:10:18 PM Central Daylight Time, dw1@... writes: > Pounding the veges for fermentation is like Israili gov to attatk > lebanon people. > > The common answer is " Stop it or you will ruin the whole thing.Or you > loose in the first place. " > Nebraska Alliance - Times Herald > Lincoln , Nebraska July 19, 2006 > ** Why the World Should Stand Back and Let Israel Do What It Has To Do ** **by Dave , Capt. retired, US Navy When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo ( Philippines ) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship. All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear. Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx. Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows. Nobody moved. Not one person. The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker. Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly. Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back. You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: " Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch] " . He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage. This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong. Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully. Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked " I give up " , and we gently backed the sailor away from him. I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today. I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors: This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat. Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today. President Lahoud of Lebanon , a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria , has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire. Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt . Ever since Nasser discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success: ** Instigate a war. ** Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population.. and will force a truce. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed. Not once. In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there! President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to " Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters. " Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country. And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw. As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak- hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Craic wrote: >Nebraska Alliance - Times Herald >Lincoln , Nebraska July 19, 2006 >[...] I suggest that we don't turn this list into yet another shit fight about what the Israelis are doing to Lebanon, nor what the Yanks are doing to Iraq. I've already seen three lists and a couple of newsgroups descend into that mire. Yes, it's a serious issue, and yes, it gets people's emotions running, and no, it has nothing to do with fermentation. cheers, Ross. -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia " Whether Haliburton or Enron or anyone, Greed is a Weapon of Mass Destruction " - Faithless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Indeed Ross, that to which you give a lot of attention tends to persist (you can take that metaphysically as in the law of attraction or in a mundane sense as in messing around with a scab). Interestingly enough, I never even noticed the lengthy article, I read about the fermentation and assumed that was the end of the post. Glancing at it now, I see I didn't miss anything but more violence and negativity. I think I'll focus on my kraut! > > >Nebraska Alliance - Times Herald > >Lincoln , Nebraska July 19, 2006 > >[...] > > I suggest that we don't turn this list into yet another shit fight about > what the Israelis are doing to Lebanon, nor what the Yanks are doing to > Iraq. I've already seen three lists and a couple of newsgroups descend > into that mire. Yes, it's a serious issue, and yes, it gets people's > emotions running, and no, it has nothing to do with fermentation. > > cheers, > Ross. > -- > Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia > " Whether Haliburton or Enron or anyone, > Greed is a Weapon of Mass Destruction " - Faithless > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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