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Your nose is a more sensitive detector than exists

in most labs, and it's been honed over the centuries

to work with fermented foods (the kinds of foods

that existed before we invented the refrigerator).

Basically, if it smells good, it's probably fine.

And actually, a number of people on this list have

tasted stuff that *didn't* seem fine, and lived to

tell about it.

If a ferment is either acidic or alcoholic though,

it's really unlikely to have any really bad germs in

it. The nasty ones that attack people don't survive

in those environments, plus, bacteria like lactobacilli

tend to kill off the competing bacteria, so even

if your batch of cabbage had, say, some salmonella

in it, they would be dead after a day or three of

it fermenting into kraut.

I haven't had kraut actually go bad though, ever.

It can dry out on top if left out, and that part

can get oxidized, and if it's old enough it

sometimes " goes sweet " and tastes odd. But

my great-great-grandma kept the kraut barrel

on her porch all winter. My Mom says it would

get a white film on top, but they would reach

in and grab a handful of kraut when they

felt like it.

If you have too much kraut, you can keep it in

the fridge forever (I've had it 5-6 months, no

problem), or freeze it.

Kombucha is really chemically active,

and I couldn't drink it much, even though

the ferment was fine. Something in it would

make me feel like I was getting a migraine ...

I'd get a " niacin flush " (or something much

like it) and visual issues. But that aside,

I think the CDC tested a bunch of kombucha

batches and didn't find pathogens: the acidity

of the drink kills stuff off. It can get a kind

of mold contamination though, that is pretty

bad.

On Jan 7, 2008 7:30 AM, <SMc42TX@...> wrote:

> How do you know when kombucha is safe to drink? I've been making it

> for a few months now, and I love it, though I have to admit that I like

> the commercial stuff better. I do a 1st ferment of 7-14 days, then a

> 2nd ferment with juice, then into the fridge. All I know to do is to

> test the pH, and that is within range. But I'm feeding this to my

> kids, too, so how would I know if there were cause for concern if there

> are no obvious signs of contamination, like mold?

>

> I guess I'd have the same question about sauerkraut. I've made one

> batch successfully, but the last one fermented for a couple of weeks &

> smelled & tasted great, but I ran out of storage jars for it, so I kept

> it out a couple of days too long, I guess, and it started to smell

> funky, so I dumped it into the compost. This has happened before. I

> hate to keep having to toss all of this great, organic produce. I want

> to get it right!

>

> Thanks!

>

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, how do you use Bentonite for possible food poisoning?

Peace

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

www.HappyHerbalist.com

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<<snipped>> My take: watch out for restaurants and leftover food!

If you reheat leftovers, get them HOT HOT HOT.

Keep some Bentonite handy! <<snipped>>

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I mix it with water and drink it. I put it in gel caps

for eating out ... it prevents a condition some

of us call " getting glutened " when there is trace

gluten on something at a restaurant. This can make

some people very, very sick for like 3 days, which

a condition that is very like food poisoning.

Actually I think now it's probably the same thing:

for people who are gluten sensitive, any gluten

causes major dysbiosis because the food doesn't

get digested properly.

At home, I mix it with salt and

seaweed and spices to make

a cross between Celtic sea salt and furikake.

However, not all brands of Bentonite mix with

water well, I'm discovering. Pascalite does. Someone

I know though, bought a bottle of " premixed "

Bentonite in a bottle, at a health store, after

she and her daughter felt ill after eating out (not

from gluten, just plain ol' bad food). She said

one spoonful of the mix fixed them right up.

It looked like a white gel, not at all what the

Pascalite looks like mixed up. But very easy

to take and it looks real " official " in a bottle

like that. Most bentonites look like mud

(they *are* mud!) when mixed with water.

Just anecdotally, I've known several people

who have used several types and it's worked

for all of them. So mostly it's a matter of

what format works for you aesthetically.

Gel caps are easiest for me to carry

and take without making a production about it

at dinner. But unmarked gel caps might

arouse issues if you are searched at an

airport, in which case it's better to have

them in some " official " bottle.

On Jan 9, 2008 11:09 AM, Happy Herbalist <eddy@...> wrote:

> , how do you use Bentonite for possible food poisoning?

>

> Peace

>

> Ed Kasper LAc. & family

> www.HappyHerbalist.com

>

> ......................................

>

> <<snipped>> My take: watch out for restaurants and leftover food!

> If you reheat leftovers, get them HOT HOT HOT.

> Keep some Bentonite handy! <<snipped>>

>

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