Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Yes, we should certainly listen to them. Especially since conventional cancer treatment is so successful at killing the patient instead of the disease. Uhm, I'm pretty much anti-allopathic medicine, except for trauma and emergencies. Kathy From: nutrition [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Eva family Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:31 PM nutrition Subject: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd r#Section_27 If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National Cancer Institute Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 lets hope you don't get cancer then Sally Kathy Dickson wrote: > Yes, we should certainly listen to them. Especially since conventional > cancer treatment is so successful at killing the patient instead of the > disease. > > > > Uhm, I'm pretty much anti-allopathic medicine, except for trauma and > emergencies. > > > > Kathy > > > > From: nutrition > [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Eva family > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:31 PM > nutrition > Subject: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > r#Section_27 > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > Cancer Institute > > Sally > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 I'm not at all sure why it matters to you, but thank you for your hope for me. I'll take all the positive energy my way that I can get! Isn't that why we try to eat like this, to avoid allopathic medicine and all its associated problems? That's the driver for me! Eat to maintain good health to reduce my need for allopathic medicine. If I did get cancer, I would not seek help from allopathic doctors. Kathy From: nutrition [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Eva family Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:07 AM nutrition Subject: Re: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute lets hope you don't get cancer then Sally Kathy Dickson wrote: > Yes, we should certainly listen to them. Especially since conventional > cancer treatment is so successful at killing the patient instead of the > disease. > > > > Uhm, I'm pretty much anti-allopathic medicine, except for trauma and > emergencies. > > > > Kathy > > > > From: nutrition <mailto:nutrition%40> > [mailto:nutrition <mailto:nutrition%40> ] On Behalf Of Eva family > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:31 PM > nutrition <mailto:nutrition%40> > Subject: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > r#Section_27 > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > Cancer Institute > > Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Hi all, Well I was diagnosed with breast cancer Jan 3 of 2008, the first thing I did is I went to Black Hills Health and Education center for 3 weeks, I knew I needed to change my diet and that helped me to do that. After that I did have the surgery but that's as far as I went. I would not let them take out any lymph nodes because if they are doing there job they should have cancer cells in them. Well I must admit since going to the black hills center and the surgery and the change of my diet I haven't felt this good in decades. I had a cancer check in October and got a clean bill of health. So praise God all is well. I never went to an oncologist because I wanted to live and they do not have a good track record. everyone that I know that has gone to one has died or become an invalid because of so many radiation treatments. I did not have one. I do have laetrile in my freezer. When I bought organic apricots I took all the pits out and put them in the freezer and I have a pit seed every once in a while. From: Kathy Dickson Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:40 PM nutrition Subject: RE: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute I'm not at all sure why it matters to you, but thank you for your hope for me. I'll take all the positive energy my way that I can get! Isn't that why we try to eat like this, to avoid allopathic medicine and all its associated problems? That's the driver for me! Eat to maintain good health to reduce my need for allopathic medicine. If I did get cancer, I would not seek help from allopathic doctors. Kathy From: nutrition [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Eva family Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:07 AM nutrition Subject: Re: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute lets hope you don't get cancer then Sally Kathy Dickson wrote: > Yes, we should certainly listen to them. Especially since conventional > cancer treatment is so successful at killing the patient instead of the > disease. > > > > Uhm, I'm pretty much anti-allopathic medicine, except for trauma and > emergencies. > > > > Kathy > > > > From: nutrition <mailto:nutrition%40> > [mailto:nutrition <mailto:nutrition%40> ] On Behalf Of Eva family > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:31 PM > nutrition <mailto:nutrition%40> > Subject: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > r#Section_27 > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > Cancer Institute > > Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 This argument is getting rather ideological. Neither side can verify their position based on first hand evidence and is therefore basing their position on outside claims and/or belief/prejudice. Despite its high profile and huge amounts of money... the National Cancer Institute is NOT an unbiased source of such information as it is subject to political and economic pressures of enormous magnitudes. I personally know a former allopathic MD oncologist who, dissapointed with the abysmal record of his profession's ability to heal cancer, sought out and learned various alternative treatments for all sorts of cancers which he incorporated into his medical practice. He had an amazing 95% success rate with his cancer patients. However, the AMA and FDA found out that he wasn't using " approved " medical procedures and took away his license to practice medicine AND forced him to pay back every single one of his cancer patients that he cured despite the fact that they protested vehemently in his behalf and did not want the money returned to them. THAT is the actual reality of cancer politics in the medical world. Based on that alone, and there are thousands and thousands of other similarly outrageous stories like that out there, the AMA, FDA, NCI and pharmaceutical industries cannot be trusted to be ethical and unbiased in anything they claim regarding cancer. I also personally know several people who have successfully used alternative methods to heal from cancer and have remained cancer free for decades, including my mother, who used to be a RN, and used to tell me lots of first hand horror stories of what went on in the hospitals she worked in, including many instances where people died because of stupid mistakes, glaring oversights, drug reactions,... As result I avoid most doctors, and certainly hospitals, like the plague, except for physical trauma injuries, which they are pretty good at. She also told me that doctors are pretty ignorant in their understanding and approach toward many diseases, especially cancer. That was from someone who learned that lesson on the inside firsthand, as well as hearing many stories from her collegues. There are some interesting and revealing studies put out by the Harvard and New England Medical Journals that statistical reveal that medical interventions in cancer have a slightly less rate of success than ignoring the cancer and not treating it all. Let's be careful about basing our positions on ignorance and unfounded belief and prejudice. Non of the above is directly firsthand experience for me, therefore I cannot confirm them absolutely. But I trust my personal two sources mentioned above. Cancer can be a life and death issue for so many people. Tread carefully, and speak wisely, or don't speak at all on this matter. Be well, all of you, and pray to your little microorganism buddies to help keep you healthy and clear headed so that you can more fully enjoy the life you have. Tonio Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > r#Section_27 > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > Cancer Institute > > Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 I certainly don't eat this way to avoid allopathic medicine. In virtually every case I have found it more effective than alternative treatments. That is my personal experience. And despite your claims allopathic medicine is quite effective when it comes to many cancers. I personally believe in just trying to stay healthy on my own and going to whatever healers I need when something overwhelms me. I realize that it is fashionable in some circles to bash anything that smacks of either allopaths or government or " official " sources, but I don't go there. On the other hand, I don't really frequent " quackwatch " either, since I find them intolerant. Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > r#Section_27 > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > Cancer Institute > > Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Well, I have to base my comment on the numerous people I have known who had cancer, underwent the usual allopathic treatments and did wonderfully afterwards. As compared to 3 who went to " natural " treatment of various sorts and died soon after. But without taking into account the different types of cancer, stages, etc this is not very relevant. Yes, mistakes happen in hospitals since we are dealing with human beings and often very powerful drugs and treatments. It is easy to say that no one ever dies of herbs or prayer, or whatever, but the question that I have is whether they actual received any benefit either. Its easy not to kill or injure someone with something that has little or no effect. I am also biased because I have worked either in public health or the FDA for most of my professional life and I have observed firsthand the dedication and integrity of the people who have made this their life's work out of love and concern for people. That they are not perfect is, again, inevitable and reform is needed, but I would take the work of the FDA of the gigantic " natural herb " corporations any day. " Natural " is big big money, so what information comes from there cannot be trusted either. Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > r#Section_27 > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > Cancer Institute > > Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 i am a long term survivor of leukemia. Thanks to chemotherapy, i am alive a few decades after diagnosis. As much as i believe in taking matters into your own hands with diet and lifestyle, sometimes one has no choice but to take drugs to get well. That being said, leukemia is one of the few success stories that chemo has! if i had to do it again, i would probably go the chemo route and add acupuncture, herbs and other therapies as well. phil Philip Gelb vegetarian chef shakuhachi player, teacher phil@... http://philipgelb.com http://myspace.com/inthemoodforfood http://myspace.com/philipgelb http://www.yelp.com/biz/in-the-mood-for-food-oakland On Nov 15, 2008, at 7:53 AM, SeaDruid wrote: > Well, I have to base my comment on the numerous people I have known > who had cancer, underwent the usual allopathic treatments and did > wonderfully afterwards. As compared to 3 who went to " natural " > treatment of various sorts and died soon after. But without taking > into account the different types of cancer, stages, etc this is not > very relevant. > > Yes, mistakes happen in hospitals since we are dealing with human > beings and often very powerful drugs and treatments. It is easy to > say that no one ever dies of herbs or prayer, or whatever, but the > question that I have is whether they actual received any benefit > either. Its easy not to kill or injure someone with something that > has little or no effect. > > I am also biased because I have worked either in public health or > the FDA for most of my professional life and I have observed > firsthand the dedication and integrity of the people who have made > this their life's work out of love and concern for people. That > they are not perfect is, again, inevitable and reform is needed, > but I would take the work of the FDA of the gigantic " natural herb " > corporations any day. " Natural " is big big money, so what > information comes from there cannot be trusted either. > > > Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > > > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/ > patient/27.cd > > r#Section_27 > > > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the > National > > Cancer Institute > > > > Sally > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 My intention here is not to convert or to condemn anyone or anything, but to remind folks to use their critical thinking ability. 'Question authority, and think for yourself.' 'Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.' These are aphorisms to remind us to educate ourselves and be vigilant so that we can do the moment by moment job of seperating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. There is so much information and proganda out there. It is virtually impossible for each of us to determine what is true and what is false. And yet, it is our responsibility to do that for ourselves. And hopefully not to take others' word for anything, inordinately. We are a culture who hate uncertainty, and tend to flock to the most attractive partisan side of the issue and become warriors or cheerleaders for those positions without giving it much further thought or reassessing those positions/arguments periodically. Things are rarely clearly black and white. And yet we have a strong tendency to believe and act as if they were. That's all. Tonio Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > r#Section_27 > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > Cancer Institute > > Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Amen. The only point I would make Tonio -- and I'm trying to remember where it comes from -- is that refusal to make up our minds, ie the refusal to have a position, if it is carried too far makes us ineffectual and powerless and may allow others who are much quicker to make up their minds to dominate (obviously I've got away from the natural remedy/quack debate here). We are pursuing a good thing (careful consideration of all options and all opinions) but the result is that the loud and shallow who don't waste time with nuances dominate debate. Pursuing this good thing allows a worse one to triumph. So I would tend to say yes think long and very carefully and very certainly very independently, but once you have done all that adopt the view which you feel to be right and support it openly, not thoughtlessly or " my country right or wrong " but openly, giving reasons if required. Anyway this is completely off topic though very interesting Sally tonio epstein wrote: > My intention here is not to convert or to condemn anyone or anything, but to remind folks to use their critical thinking ability. 'Question authority, and think for yourself.' 'Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.' These are aphorisms to remind us to educate ourselves and be vigilant so that we can do the moment by moment job of seperating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. > > There is so much information and proganda out there. It is virtually impossible for each of us to determine what is true and what is false. And yet, it is our responsibility to do that for ourselves. And hopefully not to take others' word for anything, inordinately. > > We are a culture who hate uncertainty, and tend to flock to the most attractive partisan side of the issue and become warriors or cheerleaders for those positions without giving it much further thought or reassessing those positions/arguments periodically. Things are rarely clearly black and white. And yet we have a strong tendency to believe and act as if they were. > > That's all. > > Tonio > Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > > > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > > r#Section_27 > > > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > > Cancer Institute > > > > Sally > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Perhaps I should add (in pursuit of peace) that I do not consider those who dispute the usefulness of allopathic medicine to be loud or shallow or lacking in nuance -- though I do consider them misguided. I would certainly use it myself, very gratefully, if the need arose. Sally Eva family wrote: > Amen. > > The only point I would make Tonio -- and I'm trying to remember where it > comes from -- is that refusal to make up our minds, ie the refusal to > have a position, if it is carried too far makes us ineffectual and > powerless and may allow others who are much quicker to make up their > minds to dominate (obviously I've got away from the natural remedy/quack > debate here). We are pursuing a good thing (careful consideration of all > options and all opinions) but the result is that the loud and shallow > who don't waste time with nuances dominate debate. Pursuing this good > thing allows a worse one to triumph. > > So I would tend to say yes think long and very carefully and very > certainly very independently, but once you have done all that adopt the > view which you feel to be right and support it openly, not thoughtlessly > or " my country right or wrong " but openly, giving reasons if required. > > Anyway this is completely off topic though very interesting > > Sally > > tonio epstein wrote: > >> My intention here is not to convert or to condemn anyone or anything, but to remind folks to use their critical thinking ability. 'Question authority, and think for yourself.' 'Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.' These are aphorisms to remind us to educate ourselves and be vigilant so that we can do the moment by moment job of seperating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. >> >> There is so much information and proganda out there. It is virtually impossible for each of us to determine what is true and what is false. And yet, it is our responsibility to do that for ourselves. And hopefully not to take others' word for anything, inordinately. >> >> We are a culture who hate uncertainty, and tend to flock to the most attractive partisan side of the issue and become warriors or cheerleaders for those positions without giving it much further thought or reassessing those positions/arguments periodically. Things are rarely clearly black and white. And yet we have a strong tendency to believe and act as if they were. >> >> That's all. >> >> Tonio >> Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd >> > r#Section_27 >> > >> > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National >> > Cancer Institute >> > >> > Sally >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 For 14 years I was on medication for high blood pressure and diabetes. Also an inhaler for asthma. In June I changed my lifestyle drastically - 98% raw, including some fermented foods, totally gluten and dairy free - and am totally off medication except for an occasional use of the inhaler - a couple of times a month as oppposed to several times a day. I have nearly died from prescribed antibiotics, antihistamines, steroids, and a tetanus shot, all at different times, of course. My best health comes from staying as far away from allopathic medicine as I can get. My blood pressure and blood sugar readings are nicely stable and on the low side of " normal " , and this happened within the first two weeks of my new lifestyle. I would very gratefully use allopathic medicine in the case of broken bones or other trauma, and hope they don't kill me with their " lifesaving " medications in the process, but other than that no thank you. Yes, my food costs a little more now, but I'm saving over $400 each month on doctor and medicine. That buys a lot of food. Zelda K Re: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute Perhaps I should add (in pursuit of peace) that I do not consider those who dispute the usefulness of allopathic medicine to be loud or shallow or lacking in nuance -- though I do consider them misguided. I would certainly use it myself, very gratefully, if the need arose. Sally >> > Uhm, I'm pretty much anti-allopathic medicine, except for trauma and >> > emergencies. >> > >> > >> > >> > Kathy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Tonio Couldn't agree with you more. The fact is that with the massive amount of information out there, some true and much untrue, it is possible for find " facts " to support any position. Just look at the " ideal " diet which ranges from raw vegan to raw meat to cultures that traditionally consume little or no raw food to the new wave of " techno-foods " . We really have no choice but to think for ourselves, look at information critically and make our lives our own experiment and judge our own results. I find this works better for me than trying to follow someone else's philosophy or -ism. Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > r#Section_27 > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > Cancer Institute > > Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 My only thought about that is those who just out of hand dismiss a form of healing without serious investigation. I would lump MDs who consider all alternative treatment to be bunk but who don't really know in with those who dismiss allopathy out of hand. I encountered a few folks in the FDA who routinely referred to health food stores as " health fraud stores " . It reminds me of a neighbor who despised GW Bush so much for the war that all she could talk about was hating him and what she would do to him if she could get her hands on him. I think that we can become so extreme in our positions that we become that which we dislike so much. Wasn't it from Pogo that the phrase " We have seen the enemy and he is us " derives? Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd >> > r#Section_27 >> > >> > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National >> > Cancer Institute >> > >> > Sally >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 My dietary changes have helped with my diabetes and blood pressure as well, but I continue with my meds because they have helped a lot and I have had no side effects. Even without insurance I was only paying less than $40 per month for the meds so was not a problem. I'm glad you got off yours, that's a goal I think that I will reach someday. Really, who wants to take anything they don't have to take? I guess at some level I figure that it is all biochemistry though so I'm not sure what the difference is to me between taking cinnamon or bitter melon vs eating low-carb vs taking metformin. I guess I'm a pragmatist...whatever seems effective for me. The metformin keeps my fasting blood sugar low and the low-carb keeps me from spiking after meals. The herbs that I've tried seem to do nothing. Gingko makes my fasting blood sugar go UP by 20 points or so!! Re: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute Perhaps I should add (in pursuit of peace) that I do not consider those who dispute the usefulness of allopathic medicine to be loud or shallow or lacking in nuance -- though I do consider them misguided. I would certainly use it myself, very gratefully, if the need arose. Sally >> > Uhm, I'm pretty much anti-allopathic medicine, except for trauma and >> > emergencies. >> > >> > >> > >> > Kathy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 The loud and shallow may dominate the debate, or appear to, but, shallow arguments only hold sway with those who choose, or default to not evaluate those shallow arguments. When I took a class in debate and persuasion in college we learned to argue different sides of an issue which can be an eye opening experience. I occasionally find myself in the midst of steadfastly arguing a position and then realize that I have somehow become emotionally invested in that position and don't really know with any certainty that I am right. I think it is ok to act from uncertainty. Probably better than from a false sense or belief of certainty. And then there may well be times when it may be better not to act. Who can say for sure? That does not mean that we become bogged down in uncertainty or endlessly thinking things over. Uncertainty can be acceptance of the unknown as it is in its present moment. And as such can allow for a much greater range of possibility in the next. Freedom to grow and expand and learn anew. with uncertainty and peace, Tonio I have come to think that it is very important to question my own beliefs and thinking, which is a very difficult thing to remember to do. Obviously we cannot rely upon " facts " and absolute truths, as they may not exist in our relative subjective worlds. That is where our intuition, or whatever you would choose to call it, can be used to guide us through the murky waters. Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute > > > > > > > > > http://www.cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/patient/27.cd > > r#Section_27 > > > > If you don't like Quackwatch here is a similar article from the National > > Cancer Institute > > > > Sally > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Amen, sista! Zelda, Congrats on your accomplishment! Very impressive indeed. And I'm sure your liver loves your new life style, too. I know that it was an incredibly difficult undertaking and I laud you for the determination, time, and effort that it took to accomplish it. Keep up the great work and keeping spreading the word, Kathy From: nutrition [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Zelda K Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:57 PM nutrition Subject: Re: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute For 14 years I was on medication for high blood pressure and diabetes. Also an inhaler for asthma. In June I changed my lifestyle drastically - 98% raw, including some fermented foods, totally gluten and dairy free - and am totally off medication except for an occasional use of the inhaler - a couple of times a month as oppposed to several times a day. I have nearly died from prescribed antibiotics, antihistamines, steroids, and a tetanus shot, all at different times, of course. My best health comes from staying as far away from allopathic medicine as I can get. My blood pressure and blood sugar readings are nicely stable and on the low side of " normal " , and this happened within the first two weeks of my new lifestyle. I would very gratefully use allopathic medicine in the case of broken bones or other trauma, and hope they don't kill me with their " lifesaving " medications in the process, but other than that no thank you. Yes, my food costs a little more now, but I'm saving over $400 each month on doctor and medicine. That buys a lot of food. Zelda K Re: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute Perhaps I should add (in pursuit of peace) that I do not consider those who dispute the usefulness of allopathic medicine to be loud or shallow or lacking in nuance -- though I do consider them misguided. I would certainly use it myself, very gratefully, if the need arose. Sally >> > Uhm, I'm pretty much anti-allopathic medicine, except for trauma and >> > emergencies. >> > >> > >> > >> > Kathy .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 But, what about your poor liver and kidneys having to deal with all those toxins. Rhetorical question. Its your life and your lifestyle and for now, you have the right to use the kind of medicine you choose, whether it be pharmaceuticals, herbs, or foods. My biggest concern on this subject are those that believe allopathic medicine and pharma is the only way to cure disease and everything else is a waste of time and money. Unfortunately, there are many of them than those that think like Zelda and I. National health care will force us to conform. The best thing about my job is that my health insurance is so cheap. Its GREAT insurance for that want to run to the doctor for an antibiotic at the first sign of every little sniffle, or the dermatologist for every outbreak, you get the picture. I never use it. But, I ride horses, can't afford to be without it. A fall could cost me everything. So, fortunately, I have the safety it provides. But, I have to pay out of my pocket for my actual health care - visits to the acupuncturist and chiropractor that help keep me healthy. Kathy From: nutrition [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of SeaDruid Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:38 PM nutrition Subject: Re: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute My dietary changes have helped with my diabetes and blood pressure as well, but I continue with my meds because they have helped a lot and I have had no side effects. Even without insurance I was only paying less than $40 per month for the meds so was not a problem. I'm glad you got off yours, that's a goal I think that I will reach someday. Really, who wants to take anything they don't have to take? I guess at some level I figure that it is all biochemistry though so I'm not sure what the difference is to me between taking cinnamon or bitter melon vs eating low-carb vs taking metformin. I guess I'm a pragmatist...whatever seems effective for me. The metformin keeps my fasting blood sugar low and the low-carb keeps me from spiking after meals. The herbs that I've tried seem to do nothing. Gingko makes my fasting blood sugar go UP by 20 points or so!! Re: Laetrile/Amygdalin - National Cancer Institute Perhaps I should add (in pursuit of peace) that I do not consider those who dispute the usefulness of allopathic medicine to be loud or shallow or lacking in nuance -- though I do consider them misguided. I would certainly use it myself, very gratefully, if the need arose. Sally >> > Uhm, I'm pretty much anti-allopathic medicine, except for trauma and >> > emergencies. >> > >> > >> > >> > Kathy .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Hi all I have been a lurker here so far but had to interject. I wrote/edited a highschool anthology for cancer for Greenhaven Press (I am a freelance writer). I did not write the articles used in the book just the intros etc but I had to do all their research and present pro/con to every topic listed. i.e.. Yes chemo is fantastic - No chemo kills everyone. - The book was for highschoolers to use when doing a report on cancer. What an eye opener!! I can tell from the extensive research done for that - cancer is big money bottom line. Cancer is treatable much of the time. Very few cancers are treated well with chemo/allopathic drugs. That is the fact - and chemo kills -and damages - that is also an established fact. The exams and screenings they do often cause cancer. Many people are treated for " cancer " that would never die or have any problems but for early screenings that caught " it " . Many natural remedies do work. Not all work for everyone. And sometimes damage do the body is too extensive to totally heal by the time it is used. Not to mention many people seek out natural help after they have gone the route of chemo etc. I personally know of people who have reversed cancer with natural means. And yes I know of some who have survived with allopathic means. But keep in mind survival from oncologist view means living for 5 years after diagnosis/treatment. You can die of cancer 2 days after the 5 year mark and you are considered a survivor. I have a good friend who was an oncology nurse for years. After I did the book I seen here for the first time in several years. She was no longer in oncology. I asked her straight up - Would you have chemo if diagnosed with cancer. Her answer - " Not on your life " Even if you live you are never the same it ruins quality of wife. She is not a nature " freak " at all. She still works as an RN in a major hospital and goes the route of typical medicine. Yet you couldn't her to touch chemo with a 10 ft pool. Now has the " natural " group also been exploited? yep - you bet - that's why it is important to go to qualified naturopaths and do your own homework. Don't buy it will work just because it is something natural. If you want o read an eye opening book on drug compans check out " Our Daily Med " by Melody sen - an investigative reporter. I was leery of drugs and the FDA before I read that book - I want nothing to do with any of it now. Medicine, evnen allopathic medicine, was once about healing. It's not anymore. It's about the almighty $$ and keeping you paying for meds. Are they good doctors, nurses, etc? Yep sure are - many of them do what they can and use all knowledge at their fingertips. Many take kickbacks from drug companies and tell themselves they are making people well. Belinda www.learningtreasures.com <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=13399289/grpspId=1705060950/msgI d=10066/stime=1226764394/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191946/nc3=4025304> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Hello My name is Alan, and I am new to the group. In my opinion anyone who has an interest in: Laetrile/Amygdalin B17 or any cancer treatment should watch this video, and all, this is just part 1. The speaker is a man named G. . The Science and Politics of Cancer (2005) - Part 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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