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>This is only a temporary fix and you should

>still see your Dr. for an anti-biotic.

NO!

Not all ear aches are bacterial, and most if not all, can be treated without

antibiotics.

My DD used to get earaches all the time , when I finally wized up and stopped

conventionaly treating them, she stopped having them. Because I let her body

learn to fight them.

Why are so many people these days in such a big hurry to run to the Dr's and

let them wave their expensive, damaging, magic wand?????

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Zoonana, I gotta agree with ya there! My youngin has been helped immensely

with very gentle chiro adjustments.

About a week or 2 ago, her ears were flaring up again and it looked like it

was time to call the chiro again. But instead of calling, I started adding

several milligrams of powdered Vitamin C to her solids. I don't know how

much Vitamin Cure because I just opened a capsule and poured some in, usually

twice a day.

Anyway, I noticed pretty quickly that she had stopped grabbing at her ears.

Kathleen

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Do not do antibiotics!!!!

>From: " Lady Lumbee " <ladylumbee@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

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><simplehmstd >, " sheila vives " <childlove@...>, " Nikki

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> " <mariellan@...>, <Large_Families >, " FCL "

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>Subject: Ear Ache

>Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:30:09 -0500

>

>This ear treatment will give relief when your child wakes up in the middle

>of the night complaining that his ear hurts. To give it you should warm it

>by running hot water over the bottle. Drop 2-3 drops in the ear every 15

>min. until relief is obtained. This is only a temporary fix and you should

>still see your Dr. for an anti-biotic.

>

>

> 3 cloves garlic

> ½ medium sized onion

> ¾ c. mullein c/s

> 1 c. yarrow c/s

> ¼ c. white willow bark c/s

> cold pressed virgin olive oil

>

>Chop garlic and onion into small pieces and put everything into a 1 quart

>jar. Allow to sit in a sunny window for two weeks, shaking 4-5 times a day.

>Put it into a colander lined with a layer of muslin and allow to stand for

>24 hours. Pour the liquid into small 1 or 2 oz. bottles preferably with

>droppers if you can find them. This does not need to be refrigerated but if

>it starts looking or smelling bad throw out and make some fresh.

>

>I make this just before school starts as my children will always come home

>sick within 2 weeks after school starts.

>

>

>http://www.ambertech.com/Pats/ear_ache.htm

> Ellen

>ladylumbee@...

>I believe that what is right is not always popular and what is popular is

>not always right.

>

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it has to say that on the website for legal reasons

Ellen

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not always right.

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Ear Ache

> >Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:30:09 -0500

> >

> >This ear treatment will give relief when your child wakes up in the

middle

> >of the night complaining that his ear hurts. To give it you should warm

it

> >by running hot water over the bottle. Drop 2-3 drops in the ear every 15

> >min. until relief is obtained. This is only a temporary fix and you

should

> >still see your Dr. for an anti-biotic.

> >

> >

> > 3 cloves garlic

> > ½ medium sized onion

> > ¾ c. mullein c/s

> > 1 c. yarrow c/s

> > ¼ c. white willow bark c/s

> > cold pressed virgin olive oil

> >

> >Chop garlic and onion into small pieces and put everything into a 1 quart

> >jar. Allow to sit in a sunny window for two weeks, shaking 4-5 times a

day.

> >Put it into a colander lined with a layer of muslin and allow to stand

for

> >24 hours. Pour the liquid into small 1 or 2 oz. bottles preferably with

> >droppers if you can find them. This does not need to be refrigerated but

if

> >it starts looking or smelling bad throw out and make some fresh.

> >

> >I make this just before school starts as my children will always come

home

> >sick within 2 weeks after school starts.

> >

> >

> >http://www.ambertech.com/Pats/ear_ache.htm

> > Ellen

> >ladylumbee@...

> >I believe that what is right is not always popular and what is popular is

> >not always right.

> >

> >HELP FREE LEONARD PELTIER

> >Wrongfully Imprisoned for 25 years

> >http://www.freepeltier.org/

> >

> >Learn more about the CROATAN/LUMBEE Indians

> >http://www.lumbee.org/index2.htm

> >

> >

> >

>

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-Why use antibiotics?? Why not try nothing for the first time or so

and let the body take care of itself? If you put anything in the ear

make sure the ear drum is intact.

christina in canada

-- In Vaccinations@y..., " Lady Lumbee " <ladylumbee@n...> wrote:

> This ear treatment will give relief when your child wakes up in the

middle

> of the night complaining that his ear hurts. To give it you should

warm it

> by running hot water over the bottle. Drop 2-3 drops in the ear

every 15

> min. until relief is obtained. This is only a temporary fix and you

should

> still see your Dr. for an anti-biotic.

>

>

> 3 cloves garlic

> ½ medium sized onion

> ¾ c. mullein c/s

> 1 c. yarrow c/s

> ¼ c. white willow bark c/s

> cold pressed virgin olive oil

>

> Chop garlic and onion into small pieces and put everything into a 1

quart

> jar. Allow to sit in a sunny window for two weeks, shaking 4-5 times

a day.

> Put it into a colander lined with a layer of muslin and allow to

stand for

> 24 hours. Pour the liquid into small 1 or 2 oz. bottles preferably

with

> droppers if you can find them. This does not need to be refrigerated

but if

> it starts looking or smelling bad throw out and make some fresh.

>

> I make this just before school starts as my children will always

come home

> sick within 2 weeks after school starts.

>

>

> http://www.ambertech.com/Pats/ear_ache.htm

> Ellen

> ladylumbee@n...

> I believe that what is right is not always popular and what is

popular is

> not always right.

>

> HELP FREE LEONARD PELTIER

> Wrongfully Imprisoned for 25 years

> http://www.freepeltier.org/

>

> Learn more about the CROATAN/LUMBEE Indians

> http://www.lumbee.org/index2.htm

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The lady put that statement on the website for LEGAL reasons. I have used

this oil and it helps to relieve the pain. Having suffered from severe

earaches as a child with no known cause, I do offer as much relief as

possible to my children when they have one.

Ellen

ladylumbee@...

I believe that what is right is not always popular and what is popular is

not always right.

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http://www.freepeltier.org/

Learn more about the CROATAN/LUMBEE Indians

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Re: Ear Ache

-Why use antibiotics?? Why not try nothing for the first time or so

and let the body take care of itself? If you put anything in the ear

make sure the ear drum is intact.

christina in canada

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>

> My 7yo dd has a ear ache. Is there anything I can do to help with the pain.

+++Hi Colleen,

My grandson started getting ear aches at 9 months old. I put garlic in his

ears, by crushing garlic and cutting a small piece that would fit into his ear,

followed by a cotton ball to hold it in.

Inside of 5 minutes he stopped crying and pulling on his ear, so it is an

amazing remedy. The piece of garlic would dry up and easily fall out of his ear

later. I've also used it in my own ears for pain.

Also heat is good for ear pain. Heat increases healing blood and immune system

substances to the area. Use a hot-water bottle, a hot towel or a heating pad,

warmed to a comfortably hot level and wrapped in a towel. Keep the heat on the

ear for 20 minutes or until the pain goes away, whichever comes first.

Also ear problems can be helped by rubbing oil of oregano around the outside of

the ear; oil of oregano is just as powerful a pain killer as morphine. It may

need to be diluted more with coconut or olive oil when treating children. Do not

put oil of oregano directly in the ear canal.

I hope that helps.

Bee

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Juice turmeric (either in a juicer, or grate it and squeeze through cheese

cloth). Put the liquid in a tincture bottle for ease of use. 2-4 drops in

the ear canal for 10-15 minutes will bring relief. For good measure,

continue even after symptoms subside. It will stain the inner ear orange

for a couple of days, but it brings relief better than anything I've ever

used, including olive oil infused with garlic and mullein. It is a

traditional Hawaiian remedy for ear and sinus infections.

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[mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Suzy

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:51 AM

nutrition

Subject: Ear Ache

Can someone please post an ear ache remedy?

Thank you!

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About 15 years ago, I had a series of external ear infections (external

means it's in the ear canal, but outside of the ear drum.) It was caused by

a fungus that would lead to a secondary bacterial infection (very painful).

After visiting several doctors over several years, I finally went to an ENT

doctor who told me to make a mixture of half white vinegar and half

isopropyl alcohol, put it in a squeeze bottle and squirt some in my ears

every day. It really burned the first couple of days because they were raw

inside, but the bacterial infections stopped immediately, and the fungus was

completely wiped out after a month or so.

The doctor explained that ear canals are normally acidic, but soap, shampoo,

swimming pool water & such can make it alkaline and gives fungus a chance to

grow. If the fungus gets a foothold, it creates an environment that is

suitable for itself by killing off the normal " good " bacteria in the ear.

The vinegar restores acid to the ear canal, and combined with the alcohol

kills off the fungus and bacteria. If solves the ear ache problem very

quickly, but you have to keep using it for a month or more until the fungus

is wiped out.

This won't work with middle ear infections like many small children get

because the mixture cannot get to the infected area. Often a middle ear

infection ends after rupturing the ear drum. That allows the pus to escape

and relieves the pressure (pain). DO NOT use the vinegar and alcohol when

there is a chance of a ruptured ear drum or if there are " tubes " in the

ears. I can tell you from experience it is VERY painful when alcohol gets

into the middle ear.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:30 PM, <lauren@...> wrote:

>

>

> Juice turmeric (either in a juicer, or grate it and squeeze through cheese

> cloth). Put the liquid in a tincture bottle for ease of use. 2-4 drops in

> the ear canal for 10-15 minutes will bring relief. For good measure,

> continue even after symptoms subside. It will stain the inner ear orange

> for a couple of days, but it brings relief better than anything I've ever

> used, including olive oil infused with garlic and mullein. It is a

> traditional Hawaiian remedy for ear and sinus infections.

>

> From: nutrition

> [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Suzy

> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:51 AM

> nutrition

> Subject: Ear Ache

>

>

> Can someone please post an ear ache remedy?

> Thank you!

>

>

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Nice tip! I second the " acid " approach. I keep a spray bottle of vinegar in

the

shower, and after a shower I spray myself with it, esp. my head, to " undo "

the

effects of the soap. This closes the pores of the skin, and restores the

acidity.

The vinegar smell just disappears, so don't worry about it.

Also, if you have soft water, you notice how you can't " wash off " the soap?

Actually the soap is in fact washed off, but the pores of your skin are open

and that's what causes the slimy feel. Or so they say. Anyway, if you keep

a spray bottle of vinegar by the sink and just spray your hands with

vinegar,

the slimy feel goes right away. And your hands don't get dry and cracked

from being in dishwater! It works after gardening too, since dirt makes your

hands alkaline also.

The " alkaline " issue is one reason I'm leery of using hydrogen peroxide,

which

a lot of people recommend. It does kill germs, but it leaves your skin very

alkaline,

and I've had infections get worse after using it.

For bacterial and viral infections, what has worked really well for me is a

heating

pad. It can make it feel worse for a bit ... like, it can make your nose

feel MORE clogged for awhile ... but the bacteria tend to like temps

a little colder than body heat, which is why they like ears and noses

and toes. So bringing the temp up to 102 or so really kills germs nicely!

It's worked for us on MRSA too. Sitting in front of a radiant heater or

fireplace is a good way to warm part of your body also, or maybe one

of those infrared " guns " . Or even just a hot water bottle. I have a

Thermotech medium-size pad though, and it's worth every penny.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Harkness <davidharkness@...>wrote:

> About 15 years ago, I had a series of external ear infections (external

> means it's in the ear canal, but outside of the ear drum.) It was caused

> by

> a fungus that would lead to a secondary bacterial infection (very painful).

> After visiting several doctors over several years, I finally went to an ENT

> doctor who told me to make a mixture of half white vinegar and half

> isopropyl alcohol, put it in a squeeze bottle and squirt some in my ears

> every day. It really burned the first couple of days because they were raw

> inside, but the bacterial infections stopped immediately, and the fungus

> was

> completely wiped out after a month or so.

>

> The doctor explained that ear canals are normally acidic, but soap,

> shampoo,

> swimming pool water & such can make it alkaline and gives fungus a chance

> to

> grow. If the fungus gets a foothold, it creates an environment that is

> suitable for itself by killing off the normal " good " bacteria in the ear.

> The vinegar restores acid to the ear canal, and combined with the alcohol

> kills off the fungus and bacteria. If solves the ear ache problem very

> quickly, but you have to keep using it for a month or more until the fungus

> is wiped out.

>

> This won't work with middle ear infections like many small children get

> because the mixture cannot get to the infected area. Often a middle ear

> infection ends after rupturing the ear drum. That allows the pus to escape

> and relieves the pressure (pain). DO NOT use the vinegar and alcohol when

> there is a chance of a ruptured ear drum or if there are " tubes " in the

> ears. I can tell you from experience it is VERY painful when alcohol gets

> into the middle ear.

>

>

>

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I made good experience with the following remedy:

chop an onion and heat it in olive oil so it becomes transparent. put the warm

onion inside a thin kitchen towel or cheese cloth and put it on the ear. keep it

there as long as it is warm. Once it is cold I reheat it in the microwave so I

can use it even longer.

>

> Can someone please post an ear ache remedy?

> Thank you!

>

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I have been thinking about your earache question. I have been glad to hear all

the responses that have come in so far. But what I was thinking has been running

on different lines. I used to have a lot of trouble with all the cavities around

my ears. I found out that such places like those cavities and the middle ear

have more to do with the lymph system than the blood stream. (Am I right about

this?) I was also told that there might be a connection between such symptoms

and systemic candida.

I used a substance called " beta glucan " , a derivitive of brewers yeast. This

stimulates the macrophages to work cleaning up debris and foreign organisms in

both blood and lymph . I have most recently been using a similar substance

called " whole glucan particle " which I think does a better job. When I first

started using the beta blucan, I took it every day. Now I only take the other

when I feel that congested feeling around my ears.

The other thing I wanted to say. When my daughter was a baby, she started

getting ear infections. After the first bout, we eliminated all refined sugar

and other similar sweeteners from our family's diet. She never had any more

problems. My son, two years younger, has never had ear infection problems.

These comments may be of a more long term solution than you were looking for.

I hope that you have received something helpful from all these replies,

Ellis Hein

Ear Ache

Can someone please post an ear ache remedy?

Thank you!

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Hi Ellis,

The interactions of living things, organs, and organisms are remarkably

complex. I would not consider myself anywhere near being qualified to

answer those questions. Doctors and scientists today know much more than

they did fifty years ago, but haven't even scratched the surface.

It's interesting that you mentioned sugar. When I was in college, I was

recruited to be a participant in study about the effects of sugar on mental

health. It sounded interesting, so I signed up. It was a double-blind

study (in theory). There were two groups of participants. All were given

psychological tests, and then all were required to go on a very strict

diet. Actually, we could eat quite well, but had to totally avoid anything

with even the smallest amount of ADDED sugar. Fruits and vegetables were

allowed as long as no sugar was added. Same thing with meats, dairy and

other stuff. The only trouble was that the diet eliminated almost every

kind of processed food available! (It's astonishing how much processed food

has added sugar. I would say 99 %.) I was forced to personally prepare

everything I ate for sixteen weeks. Halfway through the study, everyone was

given the psychological tests again, and then each person was given a gallon

jug of " Koolaid " to drink each day. The test group was given sugar

sweetened drink, and the control group was given artificially sweetened

drink. We maintained the same diet except that we had to drink a gallon of

that stuff every day. I say the study was " double-blind in theory, " because

on tasting the drink, it was very obvious that mine contained artificial

sweetener. I continued on, but I was honest with the people running the

test that I knew which group I was in. (They still didn't know which group

I was in, so I didn't tell them to avoid any bias on their part.) After a

few days, I quit drinking the nasty tasting artificial sweetener, but

continued on the diet. We all took psychological tests again at the end and

then we were debriefed. I was totally honest that I knew I was in the

control group and that I had stopped drinking the koolaid because of the

disagreeable taste of the artificial sweetener. I assume my results were

thrown out. (At least, I hope they were--it would have been academically

dishonest to include them.)

I never found out the results of that study. (As an engineering student, I

had too many other things on my mind.) But what happened to me on that diet

was very interesting. I lost about thirty pounds and was never hungry after

the first couple of days. I'm sure I ate less simply because it was so

inconvenient to prepare my own food, but I still wasn't hungry. When I did

eat, I ate as much as I wanted. I became convinced that sugar is not only a

source of calories, but is an appetite stimulant. Makes sense to me! Think

about it--would you eat a plate full of oatmeal cookies if they contained

absolutely no added sweeteners? You might eat a few if you were hungry, but

you would stop as soon as you stopped being hungry. You wouldn't scarf down

a whole plate of them while watching American Idol! :)

Unfortunately, I haven't put this enlightenment to very good use. I

occasionally avoid added sugar for a few months at a time, but it takes a

lot of vigilance to keep it up when things get busy or I have to travel.

Still, whenever I strictly avoid added sugar, I feel better and drop some

weight without any hunger. I don't pretend to know the intricacies of what

sugar does to the body, but I do know I'm better off when I avoid it.

n Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Ellis Hein <woodturnedart@...> wrote:

>

>

> I have been thinking about your earache question. I have been glad to hear

> all the responses that have come in so far. But what I was thinking has been

> running on different lines. I used to have a lot of trouble with all the

> cavities around my ears. I found out that such places like those cavities

> and the middle ear have more to do with the lymph system than the blood

> stream. (Am I right about this?) I was also told that there might be a

> connection between such symptoms and systemic candida.

>

> I used a substance called " beta glucan " , a derivitive of brewers yeast.

> This stimulates the macrophages to work cleaning up debris and foreign

> organisms in both blood and lymph . I have most recently been using a

> similar substance called " whole glucan particle " which I think does a better

> job. When I first started using the beta blucan, I took it every day. Now I

> only take the other when I feel that congested feeling around my ears.

>

> The other thing I wanted to say. When my daughter was a baby, she started

> getting ear infections. After the first bout, we eliminated all refined

> sugar and other similar sweeteners from our family's diet. She never had any

> more problems. My son, two years younger, has never had ear infection

> problems.

>

> These comments may be of a more long term solution than you were looking

> for.

>

> I hope that you have received something helpful from all these replies,

>

> Ellis Hein

>

> Ear Ache

>

> Can someone please post an ear ache remedy?

> Thank you!

>

>

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If you've been swimming and develop a sore ear or ear ache, this is what we

use.  

For " Swimmer's Ear " we always keep a dropper bottle of half white vinegar and

half rubbing alcohol. After swimming we always treat our ears with a few drops

as a preventative.

 

 

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Your experience with the sugar study was intereesting. I will have ot say that

artificial sweeteners have their own drawbacks. I personally have never had a

weight problem. I rarely eatr white sugar and the same goes for artificial

sweeteners and other chemicals. I do know that when I eat either white sugar or

artificial sweeteners, I might get a itch, rash or slight headache. I try to

limit my sweet intake to natural sugars and do not have these reactions.

however, all sweeteners, white or natural have the same effect on the pancreas

and can cause sugar highs and lows. I get tired if I might have extra sugar.

GB

>

> Hi Ellis,

>

> The interactions of living things, organs, and organisms are remarkably

> complex. I would not consider myself anywhere near being qualified to

> answer those questions. Doctors and scientists today know much more than

> they did fifty years ago, but haven't even scratched the surface.

>

> It's interesting that you mentioned sugar. When I was in college, I was

> recruited to be a participant in study about the effects of sugar on mental

> health. It sounded interesting, so I signed up. It was a double-blind

> study (in theory). There were two groups of participants. All were given

> psychological tests, and then all were required to go on a very strict

> diet. Actually, we could eat quite well, but had to totally avoid anything

> with even the smallest amount of ADDED sugar. Fruits and vegetables were

> allowed as long as no sugar was added. Same thing with meats, dairy and

> other stuff. The only trouble was that the diet eliminated almost every

> kind of processed food available! (It's astonishing how much processed food

> has added sugar. I would say 99 %.) I was forced to personally prepare

> everything I ate for sixteen weeks. Halfway through the study, everyone was

> given the psychological tests again, and then each person was given a gallon

> jug of " Koolaid " to drink each day. The test group was given sugar

> sweetened drink, and the control group was given artificially sweetened

> drink. We maintained the same diet except that we had to drink a gallon of

> that stuff every day. I say the study was " double-blind in theory, " because

> on tasting the drink, it was very obvious that mine contained artificial

> sweetener. I continued on, but I was honest with the people running the

> test that I knew which group I was in. (They still didn't know which group

> I was in, so I didn't tell them to avoid any bias on their part.) After a

> few days, I quit drinking the nasty tasting artificial sweetener, but

> continued on the diet. We all took psychological tests again at the end and

> then we were debriefed. I was totally honest that I knew I was in the

> control group and that I had stopped drinking the koolaid because of the

> disagreeable taste of the artificial sweetener. I assume my results were

> thrown out. (At least, I hope they were--it would have been academically

> dishonest to include them.)

>

> I never found out the results of that study. (As an engineering student, I

> had too many other things on my mind.) But what happened to me on that diet

> was very interesting. I lost about thirty pounds and was never hungry after

> the first couple of days. I'm sure I ate less simply because it was so

> inconvenient to prepare my own food, but I still wasn't hungry. When I did

> eat, I ate as much as I wanted. I became convinced that sugar is not only a

> source of calories, but is an appetite stimulant. Makes sense to me! Think

> about it--would you eat a plate full of oatmeal cookies if they contained

> absolutely no added sweeteners? You might eat a few if you were hungry, but

> you would stop as soon as you stopped being hungry. You wouldn't scarf down

> a whole plate of them while watching American Idol! :)

>

> Unfortunately, I haven't put this enlightenment to very good use. I

> occasionally avoid added sugar for a few months at a time, but it takes a

> lot of vigilance to keep it up when things get busy or I have to travel.

> Still, whenever I strictly avoid added sugar, I feel better and drop some

> weight without any hunger. I don't pretend to know the intricacies of what

> sugar does to the body, but I do know I'm better off when I avoid it.

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on the sugar issue

the glucemic index of agave sirop is really low and that of stevia is null. both

are wonderful sweeteners and stevia has great health properties

no such tiring ups and lows then

regards

aThe truth indeed has never been preached by the Buddha, seeing that one has to

realize it within oneself.

Lamkara Sutra

________________________________

From: greatyoga <greatyoga@...>

nutrition

Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 7:49:36 PM

Subject: Re: Ear Ache

Your experience with the sugar study was intereesting. I will have ot say that

artificial sweeteners have their own drawbacks. I personally have never had a

weight problem. I rarely eatr white sugar and the same goes for artificial

sweeteners and other chemicals. I do know that when I eat either white sugar or

artificial sweeteners, I might get a itch, rash or slight headache. I try to

limit my sweet intake to natural sugars and do not have these reactions.

however, all sweeteners, white or natural have the same effect on the pancreas

and can cause sugar highs and lows. I get tired if I might have extra sugar.

GB

>

> Hi Ellis,

>

> The interactions of living things, organs, and organisms are remarkably

> complex. I would not consider myself anywhere near being qualified to

> answer those questions. Doctors and scientists today know much more than

> they did fifty years ago, but haven't even scratched the surface.

>

> It's interesting that you mentioned sugar. When I was in college, I was

> recruited to be a participant in study about the effects of sugar on mental

> health. It sounded interesting, so I signed up. It was a double-blind

> study (in theory). There were two groups of participants. All were given

> psychological tests, and then all were required to go on a very strict

> diet. Actually, we could eat quite well, but had to totally avoid anything

> with even the smallest amount of ADDED sugar. Fruits and vegetables were

> allowed as long as no sugar was added. Same thing with meats, dairy and

> other stuff. The only trouble was that the diet eliminated almost every

> kind of processed food available! (It's astonishing how much processed food

> has added sugar. I would say 99 %.) I was forced to personally prepare

> everything I ate for sixteen weeks. Halfway through the study, everyone was

> given the psychological tests again, and then each person was given a gallon

> jug of " Koolaid " to drink each day. The test group was given sugar

> sweetened drink, and the control group was given artificially sweetened

> drink. We maintained the same diet except that we had to drink a gallon of

> that stuff every day. I say the study was " double-blind in theory, " because

> on tasting the drink, it was very obvious that mine contained artificial

> sweetener. I continued on, but I was honest with the people running the

> test that I knew which group I was in. (They still didn't know which group

> I was in, so I didn't tell them to avoid any bias on their part.) After a

> few days, I quit drinking the nasty tasting artificial sweetener, but

> continued on the diet. We all took psychological tests again at the end and

> then we were debriefed. I was totally honest that I knew I was in the

> control group and that I had stopped drinking the koolaid because of the

> disagreeable taste of the artificial sweetener. I assume my results were

> thrown out. (At least, I hope they were--it would have been academically

> dishonest to include them.)

>

> I never found out the results of that study. (As an engineering student, I

> had too many other things on my mind.) But what happened to me on that diet

> was very interesting. I lost about thirty pounds and was never hungry after

> the first couple of days. I'm sure I ate less simply because it was so

> inconvenient to prepare my own food, but I still wasn't hungry. When I did

> eat, I ate as much as I wanted. I became convinced that sugar is not only a

> source of calories, but is an appetite stimulant. Makes sense to me! Think

> about it--would you eat a plate full of oatmeal cookies if they contained

> absolutely no added sweeteners? You might eat a few if you were hungry, but

> you would stop as soon as you stopped being hungry. You wouldn't scarf down

> a whole plate of them while watching American Idol! :)

>

> Unfortunately, I haven't put this enlightenment to very good use. I

> occasionally avoid added sugar for a few months at a time, but it takes a

> lot of vigilance to keep it up when things get busy or I have to travel.

> Still, whenever I strictly avoid added sugar, I feel better and drop some

> weight without any hunger. I don't pretend to know the intricacies of what

> sugar does to the body, but I do know I'm better off when I avoid it.

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Agave may be low glycemic but it still carries the same problem as sugar - it

contributes to heart disease. Very few sweeteners do not contribute to heart

disease and honey is one. I'm sure Stevia is safe in that regard, also.

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From: Moneta <angelamoneta@...>

nutrition

Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 7:07:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Ear Ache

on the sugar issue

the glucemic index of agave sirop is really low and that of stevia is null. both

are wonderful sweeteners and stevia has great health properties

no such tiring ups and lows then

regards

aThe truth indeed has never been preached by the Buddha, seeing that one has to

realize it within oneself.

Lamkara Sutra

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From: greatyoga <greatyoga@...>

nutrition

Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 7:49:36 PM

Subject: Re: Ear Ache

Your experience with the sugar study was intereesting. I will have ot say that

artificial sweeteners have their own drawbacks. I personally have never had a

weight problem. I rarely eatr white sugar and the same goes for artificial

sweeteners and other chemicals. I do know that when I eat either white sugar or

artificial sweeteners, I might get a itch, rash or slight headache. I try to

limit my sweet intake to natural sugars and do not have these reactions.

however, all sweeteners, white or natural have the same effect on the pancreas

and can cause sugar highs and lows. I get tired if I might have extra sugar.

GB

>

> Hi Ellis,

>

> The interactions of living things, organs, and organisms are remarkably

> complex. I would not consider myself anywhere near being qualified to

> answer those questions. Doctors and scientists today know much more than

> they did fifty years ago, but haven't even scratched the surface.

>

> It's interesting that you mentioned sugar. When I was in college, I was

> recruited to be a participant in study about the effects of sugar on mental

> health. It sounded interesting, so I signed up. It was a double-blind

> study (in theory). There were two groups of participants. All were given

> psychological tests, and then all were required to go on a very strict

> diet. Actually, we could eat quite well, but had to totally avoid anything

> with even the smallest amount of ADDED sugar. Fruits and vegetables were

> allowed as long as no sugar was added. Same thing with meats, dairy and

> other stuff. The only trouble was that the diet eliminated almost every

> kind of processed food available! (It's astonishing how much processed food

> has added sugar. I would say 99 %.) I was forced to personally prepare

> everything I ate for sixteen weeks. Halfway through the study, everyone was

> given the psychological tests again, and then each person was given a gallon

> jug of " Koolaid " to drink each day. The test group was given sugar

> sweetened drink, and the control group was given artificially sweetened

> drink. We maintained the same diet except that we had to drink a gallon of

> that stuff every day. I say the study was " double-blind in theory, " because

> on tasting the drink, it was very obvious that mine contained artificial

> sweetener. I continued on, but I was honest with the people running the

> test that I knew which group I was in. (They still didn't know which group

> I was in, so I didn't tell them to avoid any bias on their part.) After a

> few days, I quit drinking the nasty tasting artificial sweetener, but

> continued on the diet. We all took psychological tests again at the end and

> then we were debriefed. I was totally honest that I knew I was in the

> control group and that I had stopped drinking the koolaid because of the

> disagreeable taste of the artificial sweetener. I assume my results were

> thrown out. (At least, I hope they were--it would have been academically

> dishonest to include them.)

>

> I never found out the results of that study. (As an engineering student, I

> had too many other things on my mind.) But what happened to me on that diet

> was very interesting. I lost about thirty pounds and was never hungry after

> the first couple of days. I'm sure I ate less simply because it was so

> inconvenient to prepare my own food, but I still wasn't hungry. When I did

> eat, I ate as much as I wanted. I became convinced that sugar is not only a

> source of calories, but is an appetite stimulant. Makes sense to me! Think

> about it--would you eat a plate full of oatmeal cookies if they contained

> absolutely no added sweeteners? You might eat a few if you were hungry, but

> you would stop as soon as you stopped being hungry. You wouldn't scarf down

> a whole plate of them while watching American Idol! :)

>

> Unfortunately, I haven't put this enlightenment to very good use. I

> occasionally avoid added sugar for a few months at a time, but it takes a

> lot of vigilance to keep it up when things get busy or I have to travel.

> Still, whenever I strictly avoid added sugar, I feel better and drop some

> weight without any hunger. I don't pretend to know the intricacies of what

> sugar does to the body, but I do know I'm better off when I avoid it.

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