Guest guest Posted February 27, 1999 Report Share Posted February 27, 1999 SOS SOS what was the minerals you used to lower your heart rate? I used about less than a tea spoon of salt on some egg whites and didn'nt sleep. Heart rate is too fast. Raven ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 1999 Report Share Posted February 27, 1999 SOS SOS what was the minerals you used to lower your heart rate? I used about less than a tea spoon of salt on some egg whites and didn'nt sleep. Heart rate is too fast and my blood presure went up to 165 over 111 and my heart rate went upto 108 from a normal 80 what should I do let me know I'm going back to bed to try abnd rest. raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 1999 Report Share Posted February 28, 1999 hello I think you can take salt OR iodine but noy both togeather. I am doing much better now after getting a days worth of sleep. I had to flush my body, Between then and now(twelve hours) I have drank two and a half gallons of water and eaten two pounds of cooked rice. this always helps. My heart rate is back to 70bpm. and my blood presuer is back down from 165 over 111. raven ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 In a message dated 12/6/2004 11:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, nancygodin19562003@... writes: Has anyone experienced a very salty taste in their mouth I has been three days and I was wondering what it could be? Hugs Yes absolutely! That was one of the first symptoms I had of liver disease. Have your liver function checked. The worst part was that I couldn't stand to eat chocolate and had to go through chocolate withdrawal ( Regards Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Thanks for the article. I think these natural salts are necessary and beneficial, but I believe in some places one may also need to supplement some iodine, or they could end up like I did believing that the sea salt will be providing enough, when it clearly does not. There are other articles which also state the lack of iodine in these natural salts...so some say there is enough, some say there is not nearly enough.... and my own experience seemed to prove the latter. Though I don't advocate iodised table salt, my body so desperately needed iodine, I still gained benefits from it, plus the bit that was in a vitamin supplement. I hope to find another way of supplementing it than the table salt. > A good article on salt. > Irene > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/fisk2.html# > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 > > Hi Bee, I saw you comment to someone that you buy a big bag of sea salt. I've been ordering from Mountain Rose, the himalyan sea salt but they only come in 1 lb packages. I would like a 5lb bag. Would you be so kind to post the website? +++Hi Angie. Here's the kind of sea salt to buy, but it is usually available at local health stores too: http://www.eco-natural.com/greysalt/1kgcoarse.html Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 > > Hi Bee, I ordered the sea salt Sal Marin brand from the website you sent me. Is this brand better than the one here locally from the grain and salt society that is called Celtic Sea salt and is light grey in color. Oh and thank you for your prompt response. You are such a big help to me. I do feel so good. +++Hi Angie. I think it is very close to being the same ocean sea salt as Celtic, but it is less expensive. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Well, I might or might not; I'm pretty hard-headed you know! [ggg] Do you have a quote from him? Among his many applauds I found a couple of things questioned by some: .. .. > > As /The New York Times > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times>/ has explained, Oz > is a " spokesman and adviser " for the website, RealAge > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealAge>.com, which the paper has > heavily criticized for its pharmaceutical marketing practices. The > site solicits medical information from visitors, ostensibly to > determine a visitor’s " biological age " and then uses the visitor's > medical profile for pharmaceutical marketing purposes. As /The Times/ > reporter explained the significance of this fact: " While few people > would fill out a detailed questionnaire about their health and hand it > over to a drug company looking for suggestions for new medications, > that is essentially what RealAge is doing. " ^[8] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-7> > > > Alternative medicine > > Oz and his wife, a reiki <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki> > practitioner, are believers in alternative medicine > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine>. Some conventional > medical practitioners allege that Oz may be promoting unproven and > potentially harmful alternative medicine practices on /The Oprah > Winfrey Show/. Appearing in surgical scrubs > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubs_%28clothing%29> on the show's set > in Chicago, Oz has promoted self-described energy based practices > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine> and acupuncture > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture> on the show.^[9] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-8> > .. .. Regards, .. .. > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3ASalt> matchermaam > <matchermaam> > > > Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:09 pm (PST) > > > > O.K. , maybe you'll believe a renowned Chief of Surgery at one of > the countries top hospitals, Dr. Mehmet Oz. > > > > <>Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Some of it makes perfect sense; some of it is HIGHLY questionable IMHO. Here's another link where it is suggested that there's more than a little " quack " from this duck: .. .. <http://skeptologic.com/2008/05/15/the-not-so-wonderful-wizard-of-oz/> .. .. And here's another: .. .. > > > Oprah and *Dr*. *Oz* Sue Quacks, how Ironic! > <http://skeptologic.com/2009/08/21/oprah-and-dr-oz-sue-quacks-how-ironic/> > > Posted by skeptologic <http://> on August 21, 2009 > > So Oprah Winfrey and Doctor *Mehmet* *Oz* are suing people for using > their images to sell supplements online. > <http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/08/20/2009-08-20_oprah__doc_sue_firms_ove\ r_false_ad_claims.html> > The suit claims that “the public is being deceived into thinking the > duo have endorsed products like acai berry, a freeze-dried energy > booster.” So the queen of pseudoscience and Doctor Woo-Woo are all of > a sudden concerned about the pubic being deceived? Cry me a river! > Keep in mind that it does not say that they are concerned that the > public will be duped into buying “health” products that do not work, > but only deceived into thinking that they have officially endorsed > them. How ironic. Acai berry is just one ingredient in a whole fruit > salad of nuttiness that gets promoted on The Oprah Winfrey Show. Here > is just a small list: past life regression, The Secret, psychic powers > (including the most harmful ones, so called psychics who claim they > can help police find missing children), detoxing, anti-vaccination, > energy medicine > <http://skeptologic.com/2008/05/15/the-not-so-wonderful-wizard-of-oz/>, Airborne > <http://skeptologic.com/2008/04/19/airborne-does-the-settlement-go-far-enough/>, > Suzanne Somers and her crazy hormone and vitamin mega-dosing, > therapeutic touch, homeopathy, and much more. Look, I understand that > nobody has the right to use their images without thier permission, but > here is a free tip for Oprah and Doctor *Oz*: If you don’t want people > to be deceived into buying *quack* products from quacks who are using > your images to do so, stop promoting pseudoscience and quackery on > your show! > .. .. Here's another: .. .. > > > The Wizard of *Quack* > > Perhaps he means well, but *Dr*. *Mehmet* *Oz* is a phony > <http://www.factsmart.org/mehmet/mehmet.htm>: > > *Dr*. *Mehmet* *Oz* is a very popular cardiothoracic surgeon. His > popularity stems not because of the many lives saved as a result > of the surgical procedures he performs, but because of his popular > books and TV programs linking diet to various diseases. However, > in his zeal to promote healthy eating habits, he has demonstrated > a total ignorance of the science involved, and has jumped to > ludicrous conclusions based on studies that are so limited in > their scope, that they are meaningless. One wonders whether *Oz* > skipped the class on science and statistics in college, or whether > in his haste to make a fast buck, he prefers sensationalism and > showmanship to science. In a recent series ( " The Truth About > Food " ) totalling six viewing hours on " Discovery Health " , he > tested many food-related theories on small groups of people, and > drew conclusions seemingly out of thin air. He claims to have > performed " 40 groundbreaking experiments with 500 volunteers " . > > I'm guessing it wasn't 'the class on science and statistics' he > skipped, but the one on ethics. The guy got his bachelor's degree from > Harvard, his MD from UPenn, and his MBA from Wharton, and he is now on > staff (as a professor of cardiac surgery) at Columbia University > Hospital; competence isn't the problem, here, but honesty. > > *Oz* realizes the same thing that clearly drove *Dr*. Atkins: > Sometimes psychology is more important than physics and chemistry. I > am, of course, assuming the best; it's also possible that *Dr*. *Oz* > is simply a venal liar. Quackery is certainly lucrative! > .. .. He may or may not know if salt is bleached; but he has no credibility with a number of very vocal people. This is just the tip of the iceberg [Googleberg?{ggg}]. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3ASalt> matchermaam > <matchermaam> > > > Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:11 pm (PST) > > > > Sorry I hit send instead of paste on the last message. Here is the link. > > http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508 > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508> > > <>Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Roni, You wrote: > > http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508 > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508> 1. Esquire Magazine is hardly a reliable source of technical information, regardless the source of the quotation. As I mentioned before, you need to document a recipe or protocol for making table salt. The one I posted from a manufacturer did NOT mention bleach. 2. I see no reason why a heart surgeon, no matter how renowned, would know more about the processes for making table salt, than a manufacturer of table salt. 2. Dr. Oz said " _Sometimes_, it is even bleached ... " This implies that a bleached table salt is pretty unusual. 3. This statement was in the context of adding aluminum to prevent caking. There are no forms of bleach made with aluminum. 4. His recipe for making sea salt is incorrect. Many commercial forms of sea salt go through the same refining steps as table salt. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Allopathic and naturopathic medicine are not mutually exclusive. There is place for both. More people need to be more open minded to be able to take advantage of both protocols. The allopathic community is opening up it's practices more and more to the naturopathic methods. Could you not see your way clear to do the same?  This does not mean that I take anything said by anyone on either side as gospel. I think there are good and bad practictioners on both sides. Good sense and discretion are needed today to choose our own health care. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re:Salt hypothyroidism Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 11:46 AM Well, I might or might not; I'm pretty hard-headed you know! [ggg] Do you have a quote from him? Among his many applauds I found a couple of things questioned by some: .. .. > > As /The New York Times > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times>/ has explained, Oz > is a " spokesman and adviser " for the website, RealAge > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealAge>.com, which the paper has > heavily criticized for its pharmaceutical marketing practices. The > site solicits medical information from visitors, ostensibly to > determine a visitor’s " biological age " and then uses the visitor's > medical profile for pharmaceutical marketing purposes. As /The Times/ > reporter explained the significance of this fact: " While few people > would fill out a detailed questionnaire about their health and hand it > over to a drug company looking for suggestions for new medications, > that is essentially what RealAge is doing. " ^[8] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-7> > > >     Alternative medicine > > Oz and his wife, a reiki <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki> > practitioner, are believers in alternative medicine > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine>. Some conventional > medical practitioners allege that Oz may be promoting unproven and > potentially harmful alternative medicine practices on /The Oprah > Winfrey Show/. Appearing in surgical scrubs > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubs_%28clothing%29> on the show's set > in Chicago, Oz has promoted self-described energy based practices > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine> and acupuncture > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture> on the show.^[9] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-8> > .. .. Regards, .. .. >     Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... >     <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3ASalt> matchermaam >     <matchermaam> > > >      Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:09 pm (PST) > > > > O.K. , maybe you'll believe a renowned Chief of Surgery at one of > the countries top hospitals, Dr. Mehmet Oz. > > > > <>Roni ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Here's another site stating that the salt is bleached, but giving more information of how it's done. http://www.antibiotic-alternatives.com/salt.and.high.blood.pressure.htm <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508 > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508> 1. Esquire Magazine is hardly a reliable source of technical information, regardless the source of the quotation. As I mentioned before, you need to document a recipe or protocol for making table salt. The one I posted from a manufacturer did NOT mention bleach. 2. I see no reason why a heart surgeon, no matter how renowned, would know more about the processes for making table salt, than a manufacturer of table salt. 2. Dr. Oz said " _Sometimes_, it is even bleached ... " This implies that a bleached table salt is pretty unusual. 3. This statement was in the context of adding aluminum to prevent caking. There are no forms of bleach made with aluminum. 4. His recipe for making sea salt is incorrect. Many commercial forms of sea salt go through the same refining steps as table salt. Chuck ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I see no where in what he said that this skeptologic person is qualified to make the statements that naturopathic and energy medicine is crap. I have personally had energy work done on me for my back when I was back on the east coast, and the pain was taken away for a week. That is hugely preferable to the pills that zonk us out and work for a few hours or possibly a day, while they are altering our brain chemistry, and which the medical community does not exactly understand (by their own words).  I also use naturopathic products rxd by one of my cardios for help with hypertension (which has now been under the 120/80 gold standard, and others for helping my heart work properly and for keeping my blood from forming dangerous clots.  I reacted badly to the drugs they rxd, and so we went this way instead. I only take 2 drugs when I get an afib episode to stop it, not on an every day basis.  I think the two kinds of medicine, when used in conjunction with eath other provide the best care with the least side effects. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re:Salt hypothyroidism Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:08 PM Some of it makes perfect sense; some of it is HIGHLY questionable IMHO. Here's another link where it is suggested that there's more than a little " quack " from this duck: .. .. <http://skeptologic.com/2008/05/15/the-not-so-wonderful-wizard-of-oz/> .. .. And here's another: .. .. > > >    Oprah and *Dr*. *Oz* Sue Quacks, how Ironic! >    <http://skeptologic.com/2009/08/21/oprah-and-dr-oz-sue-quacks-how-ironic/> > > Posted by skeptologic <http://> on August 21, 2009 > > So Oprah Winfrey and Doctor *Mehmet* *Oz* are suing people for using > their images to sell supplements online. > <http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/08/20/2009-08-20_oprah__doc_sue_firms_ove\ r_false_ad_claims.html> > The suit claims that “the public is being deceived into thinking the > duo have endorsed products like acai berry, a freeze-dried energy > booster.†So the queen of pseudoscience and Doctor Woo-Woo are all of > a sudden concerned about the pubic being deceived? Cry me a river! > Keep in mind that it does not say that they are concerned that the > public will be duped into buying “health†products that do not work, > but only deceived into thinking that they have officially endorsed > them. How ironic. Acai berry is just one ingredient in a whole fruit > salad of nuttiness that gets promoted on The Oprah Winfrey Show. Here > is just a small list: past life regression, The Secret, psychic powers > (including the most harmful ones, so called psychics who claim they > can help police find missing children), detoxing, anti-vaccination, > energy medicine > <http://skeptologic.com/2008/05/15/the-not-so-wonderful-wizard-of-oz/>, Airborne > <http://skeptologic.com/2008/04/19/airborne-does-the-settlement-go-far-enough/>, > Suzanne Somers and her crazy hormone and vitamin mega-dosing, > therapeutic touch, homeopathy, and much more. Look, I understand that > nobody has the right to use their images without thier permission, but > here is a free tip for Oprah and Doctor *Oz*: If you don’t want people > to be deceived into buying *quack* products from quacks who are using > your images to do so, stop promoting pseudoscience and quackery on > your show! > .. .. Here's another: .. .. > > >     The Wizard of *Quack* > > Perhaps he means well, but *Dr*. *Mehmet* *Oz* is a phony > <http://www.factsmart.org/mehmet/mehmet.htm>: > >    *Dr*. *Mehmet* *Oz* is a very popular cardiothoracic surgeon. His >    popularity stems not because of the many lives saved as a result >    of the surgical procedures he performs, but because of his popular >    books and TV programs linking diet to various diseases. However, >    in his zeal to promote healthy eating habits, he has demonstrated >    a total ignorance of the science involved, and has jumped to >    ludicrous conclusions based on studies that are so limited in >    their scope, that they are meaningless. One wonders whether *Oz* >    skipped the class on science and statistics in college, or whether >    in his haste to make a fast buck, he prefers sensationalism and >    showmanship to science. In a recent series ( " The Truth About >    Food " ) totalling six viewing hours on " Discovery Health " , he >    tested many food-related theories on small groups of people, and >    drew conclusions seemingly out of thin air. He claims to have >    performed " 40 groundbreaking experiments with 500 volunteers " . > > I'm guessing it wasn't 'the class on science and statistics' he > skipped, but the one on ethics. The guy got his bachelor's degree from > Harvard, his MD from UPenn, and his MBA from Wharton, and he is now on > staff (as a professor of cardiac surgery) at Columbia University > Hospital; competence isn't the problem, here, but honesty. > > *Oz* realizes the same thing that clearly drove *Dr*. Atkins: > Sometimes psychology is more important than physics and chemistry. I > am, of course, assuming the best; it's also possible that *Dr*. *Oz* > is simply a venal liar. Quackery is certainly lucrative! > .. .. He may or may not know if salt is bleached; but he has no credibility with a number of very vocal people. This is just the tip of the iceberg [Googleberg?{ggg}]. .. .. > >     Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... >     <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3ASalt> matchermaam >     <matchermaam> > > >      Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:11 pm (PST) > > > > Sorry I hit send instead of paste on the last message. Here is the link. > > http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508 > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508> > > <>Roni ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Roni Molin wrote: > > > Here's another site stating that the salt is bleached, but giving more > information of how > it's done. The information in question is mostly wrong. Kiln drying does not change the " natural state " of the salt, other than to remove moisture. Sodium chloride remains sodium chloride. The other minerals are mostly removed by precipitation prior to drying. The main one is magnesium sulfate, which is responsible for much of the difference in taste with sea salt. However, these also include thorium, radium, and uranium salts, which contrary to the impression given here, are hardly desirable parts of the diet. I would not consider a product that does not contain heavy metals or trans-uranium radionuclides to have a " deficit " in these minerals, no matter how natural they may seem. Then, it says " processing chemicals " are added, including Silico Aluminate, Potassium Iodide, Tri-calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Carbonate, Sodium bicarbonate, and yellow prussiate of soda. It then goes on to say these are added to " bleach the salt " and prevent caking. However, the iodide is added to prevent goiter, and none of the rest are bleaching agents. All are anti-caking agents, which are unlikely to be used together. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Well, there certainly seems to be an awful lot of disinformation around. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > Here's another site stating that the salt is bleached, but giving more > information of how > it's done. The information in question is mostly wrong. Kiln drying does not change the " natural state " of the salt, other than to remove moisture. Sodium chloride remains sodium chloride. The other minerals are mostly removed by precipitation prior to drying. The main one is magnesium sulfate, which is responsible for much of the difference in taste with sea salt. However, these also include thorium, radium, and uranium salts, which contrary to the impression given here, are hardly desirable parts of the diet. I would not consider a product that does not contain heavy metals or trans-uranium radionuclides to have a " deficit " in these minerals, no matter how natural they may seem. Then, it says " processing chemicals " are added, including Silico Aluminate, Potassium Iodide, Tri-calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Carbonate, Sodium bicarbonate, and yellow prussiate of soda. It then goes on to say these are added to " bleach the salt " and prevent caking. However, the iodide is added to prevent goiter, and none of the rest are bleaching agents. All are anti-caking agents, which are unlikely to be used together. Chuck ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Roni Molin wrote: > > > Well, there certainly seems to be an awful lot of disinformation around. Indeed! Welcome to the " inter-web. " Caveat emptor. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Well, I've been using sea salt to salt my food. I don't generally add salt into the cooking unless I have to, and then I use kosher salt. I'm happy with this system, and since my blood pressure is down to less than 120/80, I guess I'm doing all right. What do you think of the latest admonition from the medical world that people should not eat hardly any salt even if they don't have high blood pressure because they believe it is bad for the veins and arteries? <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > Well, there certainly seems to be an awful lot of disinformation around. Indeed! Welcome to the " inter-web. " Caveat emptor. Chuck ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 I don't know about latest........... I thought this was common knowledge around 20 years ago I gave up having salt on everything a long, long time ago I just wish sugar was that easy to On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote: > > > Well, I've been using sea salt to salt my food. I don't generally add salt > into the cooking unless I have to, and then I use kosher salt. I'm happy > with this system, and since my blood pressure is down to less than 120/80, I > guess I'm doing all right. > > What do you think of the latest admonition from the medical world that > people should not eat hardly any salt even if they don't have high blood > pressure because they believe it is > bad for the veins and arteries? > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > > > > > Well, there certainly seems to be an awful lot of disinformation around. > > Indeed! Welcome to the " inter-web. " > > Caveat emptor. > > Chuck > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 I know some of you may scream if I say " credible evidence " one more time. So here it is: Whenever any form of naturopathic medicine is supported by credible evidence in a peer reviewed venue it will begin to have some credibility in the minds of those whose minds function like mine does. Basically the results will have to exceed chance or placebo. Until then it's a " maybe it does, maybe it doesn't " situation. Well, that's actually in the best of cases. In far too many it's a case of " it d@mned well DOES NOT work as advertised; it's contradicted by far too much credible contrary evidence. Regards, > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Salt> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:22 pm (PST) > > > > Allopathic and naturopathic medicine are not mutually exclusive. There > is place for both. > More people need to be more open minded to be able to take advantage > of both protocols. > The allopathic community is opening up it's practices more and more to > the naturopathic methods. Could you not see your way clear to do the same? > > This does not mean that I take anything said by anyone on either side > as gospel. I think there are good and bad practictioners on both > sides. Good sense and discretion are needed today to choose our own > health care. > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re:Salt > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 11:46 AM > > Well, I might or might not; I'm pretty hard-headed you know! [ggg] Do > you have a quote from him? > > Among his many applauds I found a couple of things questioned by some: > . > . > > > > As /The New York Times > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times>>/ has explained, Oz > > is a " spokesman and adviser " for the website, RealAge > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealAge > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealAge>>.com, which the paper has > > heavily criticized for its pharmaceutical marketing practices. The > > site solicits medical information from visitors, ostensibly to > > determine a visitor´s " biological age " and then uses the visitor's > > medical profile for pharmaceutical marketing purposes. As /The Times/ > > reporter explained the significance of this fact: " While few people > > would fill out a detailed questionnaire about their health and hand it > > over to a drug company looking for suggestions for new medications, > > that is essentially what RealAge is doing. " ^[8] > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-7 > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-7>> > > > > > > Alternative medicine > > > > Oz and his wife, a reiki <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki>> > > practitioner, are believers in alternative medicine > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine>>. Some conventional > > medical practitioners allege that Oz may be promoting unproven and > > potentially harmful alternative medicine practices on /The Oprah > > Winfrey Show/. Appearing in surgical scrubs > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubs_%28clothing%29 > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubs_%28clothing%29>> on the show's set > > in Chicago, Oz has promoted self-described energy based practices > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine>> and acupuncture > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture>> on the show.^[9] > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-8 > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-8>> > > > . > . > Regards, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 I found this quote: .. .. > Then processing chemicals are added such as Silico Aluminate, > Potassium Iodide, Tri-calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Carbonate, Sodium > bicarbonate, and yellow prussiate of soda just to name a few. These > are added to bleach the salt,... .. .. I'm no chemist not do I play one on tv, but I wonder which of these materials are used to bleach salt. Chlorine bleach is made from chlorine [surprise!] and the hydrogen from water [i think]. It doesn't appear that any of the above qualify??? Incidentally: That page has a lot of very definite BS; simply inaccurate statements. > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Salt> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:37 pm (PST) > > > > Here's another site stating that the salt is bleached, but giving more > information of how > it's done. > > http://www.antibiotic-alternatives.com/salt.and.high.blood.pressure.htm <http://www.antibiotic-alternatives.com/salt.and.high.blood.pressure.htm> > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > > > http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508 > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508> > > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508 > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508>> > > 1. Esquire Magazine is hardly a reliable source of technical > information, regardless the source of the quotation. As I mentioned > before, you need to document a recipe or protocol for making table salt. > The one I posted from a manufacturer did NOT mention bleach. > > 2. I see no reason why a heart surgeon, no matter how renowned, would > know more about the processes for making table salt, than a manufacturer > of table salt. > > 2. Dr. Oz said " _Sometimes_ > , it is even bleached ... " This implies that > a bleached table salt is pretty unusual. > > 3. This statement was in the context of adding aluminum to prevent > caking. There are no forms of bleach made with aluminum. > > 4. His recipe for making sea salt is incorrect. Many commercial forms of > sea salt go through the same refining steps as table salt. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 In my view (belief) it is igorant to call Energy Medicine and/or Acupuncture 'Alternative Medicine' since it should accurately be described as Traditional Medicine. I like Traditional Medicine ...it has thousands of years of experience and looks at the totality rather than isolated bits and pieces. Mother Nature provided humankind with an astonishingly amazing experience and even now provides every single remedy we could ever need ...but humankind is incredibly ignorant and look what we have done ...slash, burn and kill ...rape, pillage and take ... Regarding the entity known as Oz ...it may be that: * He is correct regarding the bleaching of salt * He is a cany business person apart from being a doctor (they are not mutually exclusive) and is making the very best in financial terms with regards to his practice. His ethics however cannot accuratley be judged from a Wiki article, I would have to know someone face to face or at least have watched loads of vid to get close to understanding his ethical nature. The implication could be drawn that because he is a cany businessman his ethical nature would be questionable, vested self-interest and all that. That seems to be a view that a lot of people take ...particuarly with regard to Mercola.com (a very good site IMB) but as far as I am concerned that is just their subjectivity. Passive-aggressive delivery comes to my mind when I read a lot of your posts , maybe that is what some people respond to ...the difference is that as a man you will amost certainly be communicating on a differenct vibe ...women often pick up on subtleties and the " unsaid " ...the body language and so on. Trouble is that on the internet you cannot see the body language and all sorts of situations may arise because of that! Trish > > Well, I might or might not; I'm pretty hard-headed you know! [ggg] Do > you have a quote from him? > > Among his many applauds I found a couple of things questioned by some: > . > . > > > > As /The New York Times > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times>/ has explained, Oz > > is a " spokesman and adviser " for the website, RealAge > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealAge>.com, which the paper has > > heavily criticized for its pharmaceutical marketing practices. The > > site solicits medical information from visitors, ostensibly to > > determine a visitor�s " biological age " and then uses the visitor's > > medical profile for pharmaceutical marketing purposes. As /The Times/ > > reporter explained the significance of this fact: " While few people > > would fill out a detailed questionnaire about their health and hand it > > over to a drug company looking for suggestions for new medications, > > that is essentially what RealAge is doing. " ^[8] > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-7> > > > > > > Alternative medicine > > > > Oz and his wife, a reiki <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki> > > practitioner, are believers in alternative medicine > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine>. Some conventional > > medical practitioners allege that Oz may be promoting unproven and > > potentially harmful alternative medicine practices on /The Oprah > > Winfrey Show/. Appearing in surgical scrubs > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubs_%28clothing%29> on the show's set > > in Chicago, Oz has promoted self-described energy based practices > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine> and acupuncture > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture> on the show.^[9] > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-8> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Could it be that the list of processing chemicals give the impression of bleaching the sodium chloride by virtue of those anti-caking agents being white? (I suppose they are naturally white?) What is your opinion about silico aluminate please ...in terms of whether it is desirable/undesirable for it to be in the body. Thanks Trish seem. > > Then, it says " processing chemicals " are added, including Silico > Aluminate, Potassium Iodide, Tri-calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Carbonate, > Sodium bicarbonate, and yellow prussiate of soda. It then goes on to say > these are added to " bleach the salt " and prevent caking. However, the > iodide is added to prevent goiter, and none of the rest are bleaching > agents. All are anti-caking agents, which are unlikely to be used > together. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Actually, I find that replacing sugar is much easier than replacing salt. There are many sugar substitutes that are good and also healthy. Check in with a local health food store to see all that they have. You can then go on line and probably buy what you want cheaper. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > > > Well, there certainly seems to be an awful lot of disinformation around. > > Indeed! Welcome to the " inter-web. " > > Caveat emptor. > > Chuck > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 I'm curious, are you aware that diabetes was not considered an illness, but just a syndrome because they didn't have a repeatable test for it? It wasn't until they developed the blood sugar test that diabetes became an illness. Think of how many people must have suffered and died before the medical profession recognized them as " credible! " In the case of inanimate categories of anything, the credible evidence theory is fine, but in the case of human suffering, the dry, aloof attitude of doctors, to me, is unacceptable. Unless they know for a fact that a patient is in there to score drugs and little else, a patient should be respected and his complaints taken seriously. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re:Salt > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 11:46 AM > > Well, I might or might not; I'm pretty hard-headed you know! [ggg] Do > you have a quote from him? > > Among his many applauds I found a couple of things questioned by some: > . > . > > > > As /The New York Times > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times>>/ has explained, Oz > > is a " spokesman and adviser " for the website, RealAge > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealAge > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealAge>>.com, which the paper has > > heavily criticized for its pharmaceutical marketing practices. The > > site solicits medical information from visitors, ostensibly to > > determine a visitor´s " biological age " and then uses the visitor's > > medical profile for pharmaceutical marketing purposes. As /The Times/ > > reporter explained the significance of this fact: " While few people > > would fill out a detailed questionnaire about their health and hand it > > over to a drug company looking for suggestions for new medications, > > that is essentially what RealAge is doing. " ^[8] > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-7 > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-7>> > > > > > > Alternative medicine > > > > Oz and his wife, a reiki <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki>> > > practitioner, are believers in alternative medicine > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine>>. Some conventional > > medical practitioners allege that Oz may be promoting unproven and > > potentially harmful alternative medicine practices on /The Oprah > > Winfrey Show/. Appearing in surgical scrubs > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubs_%28clothing%29 > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubs_%28clothing%29>> on the show's set > > in Chicago, Oz has promoted self-described energy based practices > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine>> and acupuncture > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture>> on the show.^[9] > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-8 > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz#cite_note-8>> > > > . > . > Regards, > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Chuck beat to you belittling this site. LOL <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508 > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508> > > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508 > <http://www.esquire.com/features/better-man/better-man-1-0508>> > > 1. Esquire Magazine is hardly a reliable source of technical > information, regardless the source of the quotation. As I mentioned > before, you need to document a recipe or protocol for making table salt. > The one I posted from a manufacturer did NOT mention bleach. > > 2. I see no reason why a heart surgeon, no matter how renowned, would > know more about the processes for making table salt, than a manufacturer > of table salt. > > 2. Dr. Oz said " _Sometimes_ > , it is even bleached ... " This implies that > a bleached table salt is pretty unusual. > > 3. This statement was in the context of adding aluminum to prevent > caking. There are no forms of bleach made with aluminum. > > 4. His recipe for making sea salt is incorrect. Many commercial forms of > sea salt go through the same refining steps as table salt. > > Chuck ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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