Re: my Lumbar MRI said

January 11, 2011

Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you need a

machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly. I

don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work in

the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink at

the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that came away

due to the pian of it all.

Janice

my Lumbar MRI said

Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, Loss of

water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based protrusion in

contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 S1

After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new body

its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle secret cure .

In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent Thousands of

dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

searching for

Dave

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January 11, 2011

If you go on the main ROLFING site there is a directory there of Practitioners

from all over the usa, best way to learn more is click on that and search

around and go on their sites and Read.

My advice is to seek out one with Advanced certification, which will be listed

next to their name, and anyone is a big guy, you'll need a Male to give you the

treatment as most of the women dont have the strength to do it. very physical

work

Dave

>

> Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you need a

machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly. I

don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work in

the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink at

the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

>

> iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that came

away due to the pian of it all.

> Janice

> my Lumbar MRI said

>

> Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, Loss of

water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based protrusion in

contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 S1

>

> After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new body

its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle secret cure .

In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent Thousands of

dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

>

> Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

searching for

>

> Dave

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January 11, 2011

Also you have to remember that Rolfing is called STRUCTURAL

INTEGRATION, Meaning your entire physical structure or body on an Anatomical

Level is being realigned and properly altered to be in harmony with Gravity.

Your structure is being integrated, so its in harmony and balanced with all

the forces that surround it and within it.

To give yourself the best chance of healing the quickest you have to ALSO

support your body properly in alignment in your daily life as you're gettin the

treatment. its Obvious Common Sense yet so over looked in most therapies.

You must re assess EVERYTHING your body encounters in this world as it

contacts your Structure and as your body moves through Life

meaning what do you sleep on every nite for 10 hours ? is your mattress

proper for your body or is it worn out, Old and uneven ? if so Get a new

one, this is VITAL, Get a new mattress, start fresh

How about your shoes, are they worn and wearing unevenly , do you need

arches or Orthotics for your feet to give you even support and balance ? as

you begin Rolfing get new shoes and Orthotics ! this is also critical your

feet are your foundation just as a framework of steel is the foundation of any

building, SAME concept your feet are primary in all this

the car you're driving, is the seat firm and countoured to support your back ?

or is it Old, worn out, poorly designed and uneven etc. i had that happen to

me so i sold the car, a Chevy Corsica, because of that one fact alone and it

made a difference

FOOD, also are you eating a cooked Standard American diet which definitely

has been proven to severely increase inflammation and decreases fluidity,

movement and stagnates the body fluids and coagulates the tissues making your

body more stiff, rigid, sore

Make sure you Eat as much Organic Fresh raw fruits and Vegetables and drink

their juices , get a high power blender and Juicer to make smoothies, they

are cheap on Ebay. Believe it or not the way you eat has a direct and

powerful influence on your entire bodily structure and how Malliable and

pliable your body is during any type of physical therapy .

the goal of Rolfing is to Lengthen, loosen up , Redesign, reshape and Re

align your entire body all over . To do this you have to stack everything in

your favor and diet is huge in this area and often over looked. You want your

Tissues, Fluids and Anatomy parts to be Juicy, Malliable, Pliable , Flexible

Very hard to achieve that on a cooked fryed standard diet, most of what

people eat these days is pure garbage, which actually over time makes our

tissues and body stiff, sore and inflammed , yet they think its healthy !

Clear away all your past and what you were taught and open your mind to Logic,

and clear objective thinking. Its absolutely true physically we are what we

eat , its a huge part of all this in healing our Structure

Research the Raw Vegan diet and the 80 10 10 diet on Youtube. thats how i

learned . Esp the channel LIFE REGENERATOR , diet is a big factor in all

this

dave

>

> Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you need a

machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly. I

don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work in

the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink at

the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

>

> iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that came

away due to the pian of it all.

> Janice

> my Lumbar MRI said

>

> Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, Loss of

water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based protrusion in

contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 S1

>

> After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new body

its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle secret cure .

In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent Thousands of

dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

>

> Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

searching for

>

> Dave

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January 12, 2011

Dave,

Please stop filling our board with crap. This group is for people with

legitimate pain and problems that your suggestions are dangerous for most of the

people to even try.

For someone who is truly ill and fly by night people (like yourself) that try to

get money out of sick people nauseates me and makes me very angry. You are full

of crap.

What is a O. L. M. Abramowski

Fruitarian Diet and Physical Rejuvenation ??

If I eat a banana will that cure my syrinx? How about a strawberry to cure my

Chiari? This board is not for cooks to sell their crap.

> >

> > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you need a

machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly. I

don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work in

the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink at

the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

> >

> > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that came

away due to the pian of it all.

> > Janice

> > my Lumbar MRI said

> >

> > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, Loss of

water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based protrusion in

contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 S1

> >

> > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new

body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle secret

cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent Thousands

of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

> >

> > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

searching for

> >

> > Dave

> >

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January 12, 2011

Happy for u Dave but remember, just because it works for u doesn't mean will for

others and could make some people worse.

It depends on what exactly is going on in the spinhow if it is an alignment

prob (which sounds like urs was), how badly discs are degenerated, if they have

herniated, if there is major nerve impingement. Realigning muscles etc may be

very temporary relief to no relief for those who have bone loss/ cartilage

squeezing the spine, large herniations, sciatica.

Happy 2011,

January 12, 2011

Tell Me specifically what i said that is ' dangerous ' for most people to

try ? Back it up. Also i NEVER said food cures anything, and NOPE a

strawberry and a Banana by themselves have NO power to cure any structural

problem and i never said they did .

Now im on record as saying so, if you are going to quote people at least have

the decency, integrity and character to be Accurate. And NO i dont sell any

food, i have Nothing to sell, zero. Once more tell me specifically what im

selling or i offered to sell ?

ly, Your post sounds Hostile, angry, disgruntled and over emotional.

Food is just like a Mattress, its a SUPPORT for your body, just as EVERY

other item you are in contact with that influences your Physical structure in

everyday life.

That is irrefutable and indisputable, Food by itself just like buying a New

mattress BY ITSELF wont cure anything. BUT we are NOT talking about any one

single item we are talking about doing EVERYTHING correctly that supports

and influences Human structure which includes Rolfing and everything else i

mentioned at the same time

Dave

dave

> > >

> > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you need

a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly. I

don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work in

the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink at

the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

> > >

> > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that

came away due to the pian of it all.

> > > Janice

> > > my Lumbar MRI said

> > >

> > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, Loss

of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based protrusion

in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 S1

> > >

> > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new

body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle secret

cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent Thousands

of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

> > >

> > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

searching for

> > >

> > > Dave

> > >

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January 12, 2011

I THINK, Rolfing is as much psychological as it is physical and it is unproven

in clinical trials... but look here:

From Wikipedia:

Criticism

Rolfing practitioners have suggested its use for a wide variety of medical

conditions. However, there is insufficient data to endorse its effectiveness as

a therapy.[8] The concept of fascia limiting and permitting functionality is

seeing more investigation. In late 2007, the first " Fascia Research Congress "

was held, and it attracted attention from researchers and clinicians.[9][10]

Rolfing Structural Integration is generally regarded as safe.[8] Because it

involves deep tissue manipulation, pregnant women and people with skeletal,

vascular, or clot disorders should consult a health care provider before

undertaking Rolfing sessions.[8]

Schleip in the Rolfing Structural Integration community questions the

original emphasis placed on fascia by Rolf and now believes that the symptoms

they detect and treat may have more to do with abnormally high muscle tonus than

actual fascial restrictions.[11]

In 2007 Dr Mehmet Oz endorsed Rolfing on the Oprah Winfrey Show;[12] he has

likened Rolfing to having someone do yoga for you.[12]

Since most on this site have serious disorders we should, if we wish to think

about things like Rolfing ask our doctors first!!

________________________________

From: Dave <dj7510@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 12:55:50 PM

Subject: Re: my Lumbar MRI said

Tell Me specifically what i said that is ' dangerous ' for most people to

try ? Back it up. Also i NEVER said food cures anything, and NOPE a

strawberry and a Banana by themselves have NO power to cure any structural

problem and i never said they did .

Now im on record as saying so, if you are going to quote people at least have

the decency, integrity and character to be Accurate. And NO i dont sell any

food, i have Nothing to sell, zero. Once more tell me specifically what im

selling or i offered to sell ?

ly, Your post sounds Hostile, angry, disgruntled and over emotional.

Food is just like a Mattress, its a SUPPORT for your body, just as EVERY

other item you are in contact with that influences your Physical structure in

everyday life.

That is irrefutable and indisputable, Food by itself just like buying a New

mattress BY ITSELF wont cure anything. BUT we are NOT talking about any one

single item we are talking about doing EVERYTHING correctly that supports

and influences Human structure which includes Rolfing and everything else i

mentioned at the same time

Dave

dave

> > >

> > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you need

>a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly. I

>don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work

in

>the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink at

>the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

>

> > >

> > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that

came

>away due to the pian of it all.

> > > Janice

> > > my Lumbar MRI said

> > >

> > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, Loss

>of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based protrusion

>in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 S1

> > >

> > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new

>body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle secret

>cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent

Thousands

>of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

> > >

> > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

>searching for

> > >

> > > Dave

> > >

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January 12, 2011

Honestly, I really think one email describing your experience would be

sufficient but you have spammed our inboxes with multiple messages in

about 30 minutes last night extolling the miracle cure of Rolfing..

That's really excessive and I am very tired of hearing about it.

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On 1/12/2011 12:55 PM, Dave wrote:

> Tell Me specifically what i said that is ' dangerous ' for most people to

try ? Back it up. Also i NEVER said food cures anything, and NOPE a

strawberry and a Banana by themselves have NO power to cure any structural

problem and i never said they did .

>

January 12, 2011

Hellow , Anyone in Chronic Pain for many years Needs to have their

physical core anatomical structure in Proper Alignment. Very sharp acute

conditions can be contraindicated Of course, but invariably Chronic conditions

will Respond. EVERYONE needs to have their bodies in proper Alignment. One

thing i need to Correct you on , and that is Rolfing is NOT about simply Re

aligning the Muscles , instead its about Re aligning the ENTIRE body all

Over, Everything !

Its about taking every single solitary factor inside the body and out that

helps form our structure and making sure its in total complete harmony and

Alignment, it goes WAY WAY WAY WAY past just the Muscles. Rolfing is True

physical therapy, this is real therapy folks, in the actual true sense of the

term on a wholistic level top to bottom inside and out, Nothing is left out of

the equation in Rolfing, very few if any therapies can claim that.

Dave

>

> Happy for u Dave but remember, just because it works for u doesn't mean will

for others and could make some people worse.

>

> It depends on what exactly is going on in the spinhow if it is an alignment

prob (which sounds like urs was), how badly discs are degenerated, if they have

herniated, if there is major nerve impingement. Realigning muscles etc may be

very temporary relief to no relief for those who have bone loss/ cartilage

squeezing the spine, large herniations, sciatica.

>

> Happy 2011,

>

January 12, 2011

Here is the Metaphor :

Rolfing Practitioners are like Human Sculptors, Human Physics engineers ,

and the Clay is the Human body itself. Just as the Clay quality , flexibility,

firmness , pliability and durability is important and vital to the sculptor in

what will be his final creation, and the quality of the Steel is vital to any

Engineer in designing a building, its the same way with the body .

Food Determines the clay, meaning the Quality of your Human structure . High

Quality Organic raw vegan food means a High quality body to work with your

Physical Therapy. Low Quality fast junk food means a very stiff, Inflammed ,

sore horrible quality clay or body to work with.

this is all common sense and irrefutable and undenaible. Food is your

Foundation , it forms the Entire human body and sculpts it on the inside and

determines the tissue quality of any Human being. The Higher the quality of

the Human Anatomical Structure, the EASIER it is to work with in any physical

type of therapy and the more readily it responds to treatment.

Saying Food is irrelevant in the Results of a Physical therapy program,

is like saying the Quality of the Clay is a non factor in the final product

of a sculptor building a statue. Or its like saying the quality of the Gas ,

Oil and Anti Freeze and Filters are irrelevant in the performance of a Car. NO

ONE would dare make such a statment yet we dont realize its the same with the

body

Physical Therapy or ANY type of therapy obviously works with and on a Human

Body. Ok , so What determines the quality of the tissues, fluids, organs,

systems, bones, tendons, joints, muscles, fascia , connective tissues of that

Human body ?

FOOD, so high quality excellent food choices give you a high quality superb

physical structure which is then ready to recieve most readily and rapidly on a

deeper more profound Level any type of Physical therapy .

Food determines and contributes your level of Hydration, Bone Density,

Flexibility, Pliability, Malliability, osmotic pressure within your cells, Fluid

pressures etc. all important when taking any type of Physical therapy

programs.

Watch videos on Youtube of channel LIFE REGENERATOR for more info on this

Dave

> > >

> > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you need

a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly. I

don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work in

the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink at

the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

> > >

> > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that

came away due to the pian of it all.

> > > Janice

> > > my Lumbar MRI said

> > >

> > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, Loss

of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based protrusion

in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 S1

> > >

> > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new

body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle secret

cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent Thousands

of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

> > >

> > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

searching for

> > >

> > > Dave

> > >

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January 12, 2011

Hey Mark, just to be clear how i get well as im saying on here in previous

posts, and this is a Huge factor, it wasnt JUST the Rolfing , in addition its

what i did to PREPARE my body for the Rolfing therapy.

i began to think Not along therapeutical lines of isolation, which is sadly how

most therapies operate, which is why they have a very dissappointing dismal

success rate, Meaning if you have a sore back they ONLY treat and view the back

in total isolation.

i totally re examined the way my Human body relates to Structures outside of

itself that form it and shape it daily, whether we are aware of them or not.

its this simple folks,

EITHER YOU SHAPE AND FORM YOUR PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, OR YOUR ENVIORNMENT WILL

PHYSICALLY SHAPE AND FORM YOU

its a natural foundational Law of Physics and no one can escape it, there you

go, its your choice !

Meaning What am i Sleeping on ? 8 hrs a nite every single nite is a long

time and a powerful direct influence on your ENTIRE structure

what am i driving as far as the Seat in my Car ?

what type of shoes am i walking on and how are my Arches for my Feet, which

are obviously the foundation for everyones body same way a foundation is for a

bldg.

What types of food am i eating to construct this Human frame ? Are they

contributing to Acidity, Inflammation, stiffness, Tension, aches and Pains or

the Reverse

These are all VITAL ?s that must be addressed to fully support your body as you

are going through your Therapy.

If You go into an Experienced skilled Rolfer's office for therapy and he or she

will view your back and Spine Not just in Isolation but also in complete

Relation to your ENTIRE body , every single part, Knees, ankles, feet, Neck ,

Pelvis, shoulders etc.

Rolfing is the ONLY therapy im aware of that understands on a very deep level

that every single structure of the Human body is intricately and permanently

bound and tied into the anatomy and function of EVERY other part of the body.

its ALL relevant and it ALL needs to be examined , evaluated Calibrated and

then integrated .

For Example = If you have a bad back and have been dealing with it for many

years , then rest assured it Definitely has thrown off your hips, Knees, Feet,

Shoulders etc. which is then making your Back worse. The Human body makes

anatomical adjustments and compromises as it tries its best to deal with

injuries.

Just treating the back , as Most therapies do when you tell them your back

hurts, leads to abysmal failure because it doesnt take into view the

Anatomical compensatory principles that the Human body operates on. Inside the

Human Body NOTHING is isolated, its all connected and interdependent. thats

not an Opinion or a philosophy that is a Scientific verified Fact. Yet how few

understand this

In that sense Rolfing is in a class by itself and No other Modern Physical type

of therapy in existence Understands the body in a truly wholistic sense as

Rolfing does, which is why it gets such excellent Results in very chronic

difficult cases where Other more popular conventional therapies fall flat on

their face and Lead nowhere .

dave

> > > >

> > > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you

need

> >a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly.

I

> >don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work

in

> >the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink

at

> >the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

> >

> > > >

> > > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that

came

> >away due to the pian of it all.

> > > > Janice

> > > > my Lumbar MRI said

> > > >

> > > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5,

Loss

> >of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based

protrusion

> >in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5

S1

> > > >

> > > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new

> >body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle

secret

> >cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent

Thousands

> >of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

> > > >

> > > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

> >searching for

> > > >

> > > > Dave

> > > >

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January 12, 2011

Dave, So glad this worked for you. I however have been fused from C1-C7 & L2-S1.

The rest of my spine is disintegrating. I have no pancreas or colon. If I were

rolfed I have little doubt it would destroy me. The fact that the human body

adapts to unusual changes in alignment is my biggest friend. Cheers, Kate

From: Dave

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:21 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: my Lumbar MRI said

Hellow , Anyone in Chronic Pain for many years Needs to have their physical

core anatomical structure in Proper Alignment. Very sharp acute conditions can

be contraindicated Of course, but invariably Chronic conditions will Respond.

EVERYONE needs to have their bodies in proper Alignment. One thing i need to

Correct you on , and that is Rolfing is NOT about simply Re aligning the Muscles

, instead its about Re aligning the ENTIRE body all Over, Everything !

Its about taking every single solitary factor inside the body and out that helps

form our structure and making sure its in total complete harmony and Alignment,

it goes WAY WAY WAY WAY past just the Muscles. Rolfing is True physical therapy,

this is real therapy folks, in the actual true sense of the term on a wholistic

level top to bottom inside and out, Nothing is left out of the equation in

Rolfing, very few if any therapies can claim that.

Dave

>

> Happy for u Dave but remember, just because it works for u doesn't mean will

for others and could make some people worse.

>

> It depends on what exactly is going on in the spinhow if it is an alignment

prob (which sounds like urs was), how badly discs are degenerated, if they have

herniated, if there is major nerve impingement. Realigning muscles etc may be

very temporary relief to no relief for those who have bone loss/ cartilage

squeezing the spine, large herniations, sciatica.

>

> Happy 2011,

>

January 13, 2011

Me: you are not alone. I live the pain 24/7 to. And i to an sick of hearing

about all the miracle cures that will fix us all. Wish it was that easy. But

living with a intolerable condition that is slowly taking your life is bad

enough. Hope this guy gives it a rest. Enough already!

Re: my Lumbar MRI said

Dave,

Am I disgruntled, angry and over emotional. TRY BEING TRULY SICK and in pain

24/7 with NO CURE, that is slowly dying, and see how you feel and act when

someone tells you to change your diet and get your body aligned and you'll be

all better. It is offensive. Am I hostile? Yes, I am hostile to anyone who comes

on a group that is meant for support and tries to convince people that something

will cure their issues when it is unproven or a crock of crap. I doubt that you

had a total herniation and the other issues that you stated because there is no

way realignment of your body would correct and heal those issues. Most people on

this board aren't people with just a sore back that would benefit from what you

are preaching. I said the food issue because I knew that was coming next from

researching you on other posts, and I was correct. You started telling everyone

that our diet was wrong if we were American and we should all check out the raw

food diet, etc. I also found one that says " Avoid this guy: dj7

January 13, 2011

Thank God for DELETE buttons.

In a message dated 1/13/2011 11:40:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

dj7510@... writes:

Mark, allow me to correct you, this is NOT about Belief, i dont '

believe' nor ' dis believe' in ANYTHING. My Life is My experience

and i simply state the Facts of what happened to me. I work that way on

not only Rolfing but on ANYTHING in my Life. this is a principle that goes

way beyond just the topic of Rolfing.

Let me say This conversation im having here has nothing to do with

the realm of ' belief' that is for children , we are all Adults here .

Respectfully, The Realm of Belief is for santa Claus and the tooth

Fairy, i would hope we are all way past that stage as adults

So, Mark have You ever had Rolfing sessions ? Just like with all

things in Life, Ive noticed those that criticize it the most have never

even tried it, very easy to criticize anything from an ' armchair

quarterback' position, but where the real rubber hits the road is have YOU

personally had it done ? Usually it takes about 3 sessions minimum

to feel the true effect, and the standard Program for full effect is 10

sessions

As an Example its like i remember All my friends and family telling me

that the Organic Raw Vegan diet is a bunch of nonsense and its all

Psychological psuedo science and a fraud , that food is food and what you

eat is Irrelevant to your health its all just food anyway and doesnt matter

much. But the funny thing is these were all people Living on

Mcs and Burger King as 70 % of their diet, somehow telling Me

about

food quality and how it affects the body ! lol

They read a book about a guy who Never tried it either , telling them its

not good so because he had a few letters after his name with a Degree as

a Doctor, they never dared to question him

Mark Thats called ' belief' Not Experience, Massive distinction

Fact is They had never eaten a Mostly Raw Organic Vegan Diet in

their entire lives, Most of them rarely if ever consumed raw Organic Fruits

and Vegs on any level and now all of a sudden they were all experts in

the diet ???? LOL Human Nature is astounding it really is,

No offense Mark but its IMPOSSIBLE to authoritatively comment on

anything unless you yourself have given it a thorough Objective try and

experimented with it on yourself, its that way with not only something

like

Rolfing but with all things in Life.

Its just way too easy to criticize from the sidelines and i admit its a

fault of human nature as we all do it, but nonetheless its a Huge

Negative barrier we all face to discovering fact from reality.

FANTASTIC EXAMPLE : I remember my Medical Doctor telling me years ago

that Human beings cant Live without food for more than 7 days or you

will die and that going without food for any length of time is damaging and

dangerous and that FAsting was a quack practice with no science behind

it .

LOL funny though this was from a man who Never missed a meal in his

entire life and had zero experimenting or Experience for himself

with fasting. Well i tried it being all the massive amount of People out

there who lead by example and already did it with excellent results, i

wanted to test it for myself.

I felt so great and amazing the first few days doing it that i went

total 17 days without any food and Fasted, just drank Water in a mountain

retreat where i just rested and relaxed and it improved my Health to an

astounding level and i felt rejuvenated ! And if not for i had to go back

home to return to my job i could have EASILY gone another 10 days.

My experience was not rare or Unique in any way with Fasting, MILLIONS

of people have done it with excellent results around the world, its just

that My Dr. had a closed mind was an Armchair quarterback speaking on a

subject he was totally ignorant and clueless about because he Listened to

people from the same position he had on it , = Zero life experience in the

subject

Ok now who was accurate, who was inaccurate, and who had the ' facts'

Me or my Dr. ?

what Position were each of us speaking from and who was better able to

seperate fact from fiction on this topic me or him ?

Who was speaking from a position of Mere superficial Belief and who was

speaking from a position of actual real world experience and Authority ?

me or him, think about that for a moment

i Learned early in Life that it takes alot of intellectual

objectivity and courage to not allow yourself to be brainwashed by

Popularity.

The truth and facts are out there but most people rather Prefer to be

classic ' arm chair quarterbacks' never even gettin in the game so

therefore speak from pure ignorance and pie in the sky theory, not Life

experience. Massive distinction there

i think back to what my Dr. told me About Fasting, and i realize

his Profession could have 'told' him the sky was green not blue and

Like most Dr.s would have never dared even question it. Actually nevermind

Drs , more like most people , regardless of our Jobs, we never dare

investigate anything on our own, We would rather have Other people tell us

whats fact and whats error, and never experience anything for ourselves

hmmm Humans are a bizarre bunch

what im saying now goes WAY beyond the small subj of Rolfing, to a

much deeper principle, Human Nature is funny huh , we say we want the

truth, we ALL say it but Most people rarely do anything to discover it

for themselves in their lives, except allow others who have no

experience in an endeavor to tell them about it and they never question them

..

Yep we humans are a strange odd bunch huh, amazing

dave

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work?

Do you

> >need

> >

> > >a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred

lightly.

> >I

> >

> > >don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this

don't work

> >in

> >

> > >the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have

a sink

> >at

> >

> > >the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new

drugs that

> >came

> >

> > >away due to the pian of it all.

> > > > > Janice

> > > > > my Lumbar MRI said

> > > > >

> > > > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4

L5, Loss

> >

> > >of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based

protrusion

> >

> > >in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina

at L5

> S1

> > > > >

> > > > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a

brand new

>

> > >body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a

Miracle secret

> >

> > >cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and

spent

> >Thousands

> >

> > >of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

> > > > >

> > > > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've

all been

>

> > >searching for

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave

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Dave - I can tell you really believe in Rolfing...I have had several family

members do this back in the 70's and after a long discussion with them - we

decided it has nothing to do with any real science or any real or proven theory

about how people function - basically it is an idea without merit that for

whatever reason has taken on a life of its own - in my opinion that is... That

is my take on it and I am not going to change - glad to hear you are a believer,

but I have to say it is more religion than it is science in my book...It also

delves into your psyche in a manner that if you happen to be vulnerable can

really take you to unsafe places and lead to psychological instability - again

my opinion...this is at best pseudo-science and at worst fraud - in my opinion

and Thanks, but please do not try to justify it to me anymore I have already

delved into it and believe what I believe...

Hoping for pain free days for you Dave, mark

________________________________

From: Dave <dj7510@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 7:28:52 PM

Subject: Re: my Lumbar MRI said

Hey Mark, just to be clear how i get well as im saying on here in previous

posts, and this is a Huge factor, it wasnt JUST the Rolfing , in addition its

what i did to PREPARE my body for the Rolfing therapy.

i began to think Not along therapeutical lines of isolation, which is sadly how

most therapies operate, which is why they have a very dissappointing dismal

success rate, Meaning if you have a sore back they ONLY treat and view the back

in total isolation.

i totally re examined the way my Human body relates to Structures outside of

itself that form it and shape it daily, whether we are aware of them or not.

its this simple folks,

EITHER YOU SHAPE AND FORM YOUR PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, OR YOUR ENVIORNMENT WILL

PHYSICALLY SHAPE AND FORM YOU

its a natural foundational Law of Physics and no one can escape it, there you

go, its your choice !

Meaning What am i Sleeping on ? 8 hrs a nite every single nite is a long time

and a powerful direct influence on your ENTIRE structure

what am i driving as far as the Seat in my Car ?

what type of shoes am i walking on and how are my Arches for my Feet, which are

obviously the foundation for everyones body same way a foundation is for a bldg.

What types of food am i eating to construct this Human frame ? Are they

contributing to Acidity, Inflammation, stiffness, Tension, aches and Pains or

the Reverse

These are all VITAL ?s that must be addressed to fully support your body as you

are going through your Therapy.

If You go into an Experienced skilled Rolfer's office for therapy and he or she

will view your back and Spine Not just in Isolation but also in complete

Relation to your ENTIRE body , every single part, Knees, ankles, feet, Neck ,

Pelvis, shoulders etc.

Rolfing is the ONLY therapy im aware of that understands on a very deep level

that every single structure of the Human body is intricately and permanently

bound and tied into the anatomy and function of EVERY other part of the body.

its ALL relevant and it ALL needs to be examined , evaluated Calibrated and

then integrated .

For Example = If you have a bad back and have been dealing with it for many

years , then rest assured it Definitely has thrown off your hips, Knees, Feet,

Shoulders etc. which is then making your Back worse. The Human body makes

anatomical adjustments and compromises as it tries its best to deal with

injuries.

Just treating the back , as Most therapies do when you tell them your back

hurts, leads to abysmal failure because it doesnt take into view the

Anatomical compensatory principles that the Human body operates on. Inside the

Human Body NOTHING is isolated, its all connected and interdependent. thats

not an Opinion or a philosophy that is a Scientific verified Fact. Yet how few

understand this

In that sense Rolfing is in a class by itself and No other Modern Physical type

of therapy in existence Understands the body in a truly wholistic sense as

Rolfing does, which is why it gets such excellent Results in very chronic

difficult cases where Other more popular conventional therapies fall flat on

their face and Lead nowhere .

dave

> > > >

> > > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you

>need

>

> >a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred lightly.

>I

>

> >don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't work

>in

>

> >the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink

>at

>

> >the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care

> >

> > > >

> > > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that

>came

>

> >away due to the pian of it all.

> > > > Janice

> > > > my Lumbar MRI said

> > > >

> > > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5,

Loss

>

> >of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based

protrusion

>

> >in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5

S1

> > > >

> > > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand new

> >body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle

secret

>

> >cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent

>Thousands

>

> >of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero

> > > >

> > > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all been

> >searching for

> > > >

> > > > Dave

> > > >

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