Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 You are wrong. I was in a car accident and my disc was herniated immediately upon the rear impact. The herniated disc IS the original source of the problem as my pain and injury started immediately after. and the gang -- jacdobe@... Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG) Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs: Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe) Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel, Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba. Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA On 1/13/2011 12:43 PM, Dave wrote: > But you have it backwards, which one is acting and which one is acted upon ? The Disc being herniated isnt the original source of the problem, its the end effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I'm starting to get that 'I feel like i'm about to rolf' feeling with each (repetitious) new post myself.... In a message dated 1/13/2011 6:31:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dj7510@... writes: Shad, You must begin to think in terms of Structure, we are talking pure hardcore anatomical structural common sense and Logic. Lets start at the Basics, Start Fresh by doing the following, they must ALL be done at the same time as you begin a new program for full Anatomical structural support and correction . Begin by buying a New Mattress, your body must recieve full proper support every Nite as you're sleeping. 9 hours a nite every single nite is a LONG tiime for your body to either be positively supported or wrongly, this is HUGE piece of the Pain alleviation puzzle. Your old mattress has the old body patterns woven into it from your mis aligned structure sleeping on it for years, This is Critical ! , very important Throw all your old shoes out and Get New Shoes , buy Sole brand Orthotics and place them in, Your feet are your foundation for your Entire body and they Effect everything else anatomically with your body, the same way any cellar or foundation affects the rest of a building, so start over and begin with an even , straight firm foundation. Your old shoes will be worn and uneven from an Uneven unbalanced body alignment, get rid of em ! * Make sure your car seat is firm and supporting you properly Eat a primarily Raw Organic Vegan Diet which will provide excellent high quality easily digestible nutrients for structural support. this diet will also provide excellent all over tissue, Ligament, Joint and muscle hydration, flexibility, Pliability and malliabilty, Alkalinity etc. all highly Beneficial elements for any Therapy program. Buy a Juicer and a high powered blender to make drinks and smoothies . Learn about this diet on Youtube , tons of vids there explaining Sadly The cooked standard American diet that most people eat makes the body and its parts inflammed, Stiff, Constricted, sore, tired, Acidic, Arthritic, congested and plain worn out. NOT a good body to work with to favorably and quickly respond to Physical therapy . Your Body is the ' material' or the clay that is worked on with Physical Therapy, start by constructing and building high quality good material. This is irrefutable and demonstratable Common Sense Find an Advanced Rolfer in your area and try the therapy for at least 3 visits and Note the effects . ALL of these things work synergistically harmoniously to properly bring your ENTIRE physical body in its free flowing proper Alignment. This is an excellent, Highly successful regimen for structural conditions and alleviating chronic pain Fact is Anyone who has pain due to Disc issues also has a body that is out of its proper Anatomical alignment, its Axiomatic and a given fact Dave > > Me: you are not alone. I live the pain 24/7 to. And i to an sick of hearing about all the miracle cures that will fix us all. Wish it was that easy. But living with a intolerable condition that is slowly taking your life is bad enough. Hope this guy gives it a rest. Enough already! > Re: my Lumbar MRI said > > Dave, > > Am I disgruntled, angry and over emotional. TRY BEING TRULY SICK and in pain 24/7 with NO CURE, that is slowly dying, and see how you feel and act when someone tells you to change your diet and get your body aligned and you'll be all better. It is offensive. Am I hostile? Yes, I am hostile to anyone who comes on a group that is meant for support and tries to convince people that something will cure their issues when it is unproven or a crock of crap. I doubt that you had a total herniation and the other issues that you stated because there is no way realignment of your body would correct and heal those issues. Most people on this board aren't people with just a sore back that would benefit from what you are preaching. I said the food issue because I knew that was coming next from researching you on other posts, and I was correct. You started telling everyone that our diet was wrong if we were American and we should all check out the raw food diet, etc. I also found one that says " Avoid this guy: dj7 > ------------------------------------ Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Dave, I mean no offense by this and hope you will realize that. I strongly suggest you see a psychiatrist. The thought patterns you are having can be helped by medication. In the meantime don't continue harassing injured people. Do get yourself some help. I sincerely wish you the best. Kate From: Dave Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:43 PM spinal problems Subject: Re: my Lumbar MRI said " no amount of muscle manipulation can help " To be factual for the record , Rolfing is absolutely NOT Muscle Manipulation. " when ones spine or nerves are compressed BY a Herniated Disc " But you have it backwards, which one is acting and which one is acted upon ? The Disc being herniated isnt the original source of the problem, its the end effect. The Disc is being acted upon by the Spine. Its the Spine that compresses the Disc , and not the other way around. The Problem ORIGINATES in the Spine . But then the next obvious logical Vital quest to ask is, what caused the Spine to Compress which then as an end effect thereby pressurized and forced the disc to herniate ? ahhhhhhh now we have more accurate Factual Linear causation to follow, it all gets back to Proper harmonious Body Alignment, a Body properly aligned in harmony with Gravity and in its proper spacing on a purely Anatomical level, will not lead to herniated discs. i now have a much deeper intellectual understanding of all this than i had years ago when i 1st felt my Painful symptoms back in 1996. If you had asked me if anything was wrong with me in 1995 at that time i would have said NO , im totally healthy structurally. But that was only due to not having yet felt any Pain symptoms yet Truth be told i now understand that the very physical job i had from 1990 - 1994 was very slowly yet subtly bringing my entire body out of Alignment , then in 1996 that one single day i did the moving job, BAM i had full blown disc issues causing pain. BUT the problem originated by not recognizing and taking proper care of my Anatomical Structure from 1990 on, when the damage was being done to pull me out of Alignment and my core muscles were weakening and being compromised , the groundwork for injury was being developed for sure , but at that time i didnt percieve it because i knew Nothing about Body alignment nor did anyone else around me at that time. This is all such common sense and so logical, it all makes sense to me now but back then it didnt because i didnt know ANYTHING about these things and neither did anyone around me, including the Drs in my Area , which is why most people with these type issues Never get well dave > > No offense Mark but its IMPOSSIBLE to authoritatively comment on anything unless you yourself have given it a thorough Objective try and experimented with it on yourself, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Dave, unless you are a medical doctor I'm going to ask that I never see your posts again. Sharing information is one thing, presenting it as fact when you are not a doctor is not what support groups are all about. And for Gods sake, we all have access to previous posts quit asking each person who posts if they have tried Rolfing. " Without rabbits a rabbits foot would be nothing but a disembodied hand full of unidentified toes. " -Pogo spinal problems From: dj7510@... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:43:09 +0000 Subject: Re: my Lumbar MRI said " no amount of muscle manipulation can help " To be factual for the record , Rolfing is absolutely NOT Muscle Manipulation. " when ones spine or nerves are compressed BY a Herniated Disc " But you have it backwards, which one is acting and which one is acted upon ? The Disc being herniated isnt the original source of the problem, its the end effect. The Disc is being acted upon by the Spine. Its the Spine that compresses the Disc , and not the other way around. The Problem ORIGINATES in the Spine . But then the next obvious logical Vital quest to ask is, what caused the Spine to Compress which then as an end effect thereby pressurized and forced the disc to herniate ? ahhhhhhh now we have more accurate Factual Linear causation to follow, it all gets back to Proper harmonious Body Alignment, a Body properly aligned in harmony with Gravity and in its proper spacing on a purely Anatomical level, will not lead to herniated discs. i now have a much deeper intellectual understanding of all this than i had years ago when i 1st felt my Painful symptoms back in 1996. If you had asked me if anything was wrong with me in 1995 at that time i would have said NO , im totally healthy structurally. But that was only due to not having yet felt any Pain symptoms yet Truth be told i now understand that the very physical job i had from 1990 - 1994 was very slowly yet subtly bringing my entire body out of Alignment , then in 1996 that one single day i did the moving job, BAM i had full blown disc issues causing pain. BUT the problem originated by not recognizing and taking proper care of my Anatomical Structure from 1990 on, when the damage was being done to pull me out of Alignment and my core muscles were weakening and being compromised , the groundwork for injury was being developed for sure , but at that time i didnt percieve it because i knew Nothing about Body alignment nor did anyone else around me at that time. This is all such common sense and so logical, it all makes sense to me now but back then it didnt because i didnt know ANYTHING about these things and neither did anyone around me, including the Drs in my Area , which is why most people with these type issues Never get well dave > > No offense Mark but its IMPOSSIBLE to authoritatively comment on anything unless you yourself have given it a thorough Objective try and experimented with it on yourself, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 The more I read his posts I am begining to suspect this guy is a Troll. He may not even be presenting real information but simply posting stuff for the sole purpose of getting a reaction. This is the last I will participate if I can help it. I'm on here to get well and read others experiences. " Without rabbits a rabbits foot would be nothing but a disembodied hand full of unidentified toes. " -Pogo spinal problems From: gilachub@... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:15:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Re: my Lumbar MRI said Dave - JUST STOP! sorry I even responded...Rolfing is quackery to me - no matter what you say it it will always be quackery to me...thank you. ________________________________ From: Dave <dj7510@...> spinal problems Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 11:39:51 AM Subject: Re: my Lumbar MRI said Mark, allow me to correct you, this is NOT about Belief, i dont ' believe' nor ' dis believe' in ANYTHING. My Life is My experience and i simply state the Facts of what happened to me. I work that way on not only Rolfing but on ANYTHING in my Life. this is a principle that goes way beyond just the topic of Rolfing. Let me say This conversation im having here has nothing to do with the realm of ' belief' that is for children , we are all Adults here . Respectfully, The Realm of Belief is for santa Claus and the tooth Fairy, i would hope we are all way past that stage as adults So, Mark have You ever had Rolfing sessions ? Just like with all things in Life, Ive noticed those that criticize it the most have never even tried it, very easy to criticize anything from an ' armchair quarterback' position, but where the real rubber hits the road is have YOU personally had it done ? Usually it takes about 3 sessions minimum to feel the true effect, and the standard Program for full effect is 10 sessions As an Example its like i remember All my friends and family telling me that the Organic Raw Vegan diet is a bunch of nonsense and its all Psychological psuedo science and a fraud , that food is food and what you eat is Irrelevant to your health its all just food anyway and doesnt matter much. But the funny thing is these were all people Living on Mcs and Burger King as 70 % of their diet, somehow telling Me about food quality and how it affects the body ! lol They read a book about a guy who Never tried it either , telling them its not good so because he had a few letters after his name with a Degree as a Doctor, they never dared to question him Mark Thats called ' belief' Not Experience, Massive distinction Fact is They had never eaten a Mostly Raw Organic Vegan Diet in their entire lives, Most of them rarely if ever consumed raw Organic Fruits and Vegs on any level and now all of a sudden they were all experts in the diet ???? LOL Human Nature is astounding it really is, No offense Mark but its IMPOSSIBLE to authoritatively comment on anything unless you yourself have given it a thorough Objective try and experimented with it on yourself, its that way with not only something like Rolfing but with all things in Life. Its just way too easy to criticize from the sidelines and i admit its a fault of human nature as we all do it, but nonetheless its a Huge Negative barrier we all face to discovering fact from reality. FANTASTIC EXAMPLE : I remember my Medical Doctor telling me years ago that Human beings cant Live without food for more than 7 days or you will die and that going without food for any length of time is damaging and dangerous and that FAsting was a quack practice with no science behind it . LOL funny though this was from a man who Never missed a meal in his entire life and had zero experimenting or Experience for himself with fasting. Well i tried it being all the massive amount of People out there who lead by example and already did it with excellent results, i wanted to test it for myself. I felt so great and amazing the first few days doing it that i went total 17 days without any food and Fasted, just drank Water in a mountain retreat where i just rested and relaxed and it improved my Health to an astounding level and i felt rejuvenated ! And if not for i had to go back home to return to my job i could have EASILY gone another 10 days. My experience was not rare or Unique in any way with Fasting, MILLIONS of people have done it with excellent results around the world, its just that My Dr. had a closed mind was an Armchair quarterback speaking on a subject he was totally ignorant and clueless about because he Listened to people from the same position he had on it , = Zero life experience in the subject Ok now who was accurate, who was inaccurate, and who had the ' facts' Me or my Dr. ? what Position were each of us speaking from and who was better able to seperate fact from fiction on this topic me or him ? Who was speaking from a position of Mere superficial Belief and who was speaking from a position of actual real world experience and Authority ? me or him, think about that for a moment i Learned early in Life that it takes alot of intellectual objectivity and courage to not allow yourself to be brainwashed by Popularity. The truth and facts are out there but most people rather Prefer to be classic ' arm chair quarterbacks' never even gettin in the game so therefore speak from pure ignorance and pie in the sky theory, not Life experience. Massive distinction there i think back to what my Dr. told me About Fasting, and i realize his Profession could have 'told' him the sky was green not blue and Like most Dr.s would have never dared even question it. Actually nevermind Drs , more like most people , regardless of our Jobs, we never dare investigate anything on our own, We would rather have Other people tell us whats fact and whats error, and never experience anything for ourselves hmmm Humans are a bizarre bunch what im saying now goes WAY beyond the small subj of Rolfing, to a much deeper principle, Human Nature is funny huh , we say we want the truth, we ALL say it but Most people rarely do anything to discover it for themselves in their lives, except allow others who have no experience in an endeavor to tell them about it and they never question them . Yep we humans are a strange odd bunch huh, amazing dave dave > > > > > > > > > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you > >need > > > > >a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred >lightly. > > >I > > > > >don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't >work > > >in > > > > >the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink > > >at > > > > >the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that > >came > > > > >away due to the pian of it all. > > > > > Janice > > > > > my Lumbar MRI said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, >Loss > > > > > >of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based >protrusion > > > > > >in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 > S1 > > > > > > > > > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand >new > > > > >body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle >secret > > > > > >cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent > >Thousands > > > > >of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero > > > > > > > > > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all >been > > > > >searching for > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3373 - Release Date: > >01/10/11 > > > > >23:34:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Shad, You must begin to think in terms of Structure, we are talking pure hardcore anatomical structural common sense and Logic. Lets start at the Basics, Start Fresh by doing the following, they must ALL be done at the same time as you begin a new program for full Anatomical structural support and correction . Begin by buying a New Mattress, your body must recieve full proper support every Nite as you're sleeping. 9 hours a nite every single nite is a LONG tiime for your body to either be positively supported or wrongly, this is HUGE piece of the Pain alleviation puzzle. Your old mattress has the old body patterns woven into it from your mis aligned structure sleeping on it for years, This is Critical ! , very important Throw all your old shoes out and Get New Shoes , buy Sole brand Orthotics and place them in, Your feet are your foundation for your Entire body and they Effect everything else anatomically with your body, the same way any cellar or foundation affects the rest of a building, so start over and begin with an even , straight firm foundation. Your old shoes will be worn and uneven from an Uneven unbalanced body alignment, get rid of em ! * Make sure your car seat is firm and supporting you properly Eat a primarily Raw Organic Vegan Diet which will provide excellent high quality easily digestible nutrients for structural support. this diet will also provide excellent all over tissue, Ligament, Joint and muscle hydration, flexibility, Pliability and malliabilty, Alkalinity etc. all highly Beneficial elements for any Therapy program. Buy a Juicer and a high powered blender to make drinks and smoothies . Learn about this diet on Youtube , tons of vids there explaining Sadly The cooked standard American diet that most people eat makes the body and its parts inflammed, Stiff, Constricted, sore, tired, Acidic, Arthritic, congested and plain worn out. NOT a good body to work with to favorably and quickly respond to Physical therapy . Your Body is the ' material' or the clay that is worked on with Physical Therapy, start by constructing and building high quality good material. This is irrefutable and demonstratable Common Sense Find an Advanced Rolfer in your area and try the therapy for at least 3 visits and Note the effects . ALL of these things work synergistically harmoniously to properly bring your ENTIRE physical body in its free flowing proper Alignment. This is an excellent, Highly successful regimen for structural conditions and alleviating chronic pain Fact is Anyone who has pain due to Disc issues also has a body that is out of its proper Anatomical alignment, its Axiomatic and a given fact Dave > > Me: you are not alone. I live the pain 24/7 to. And i to an sick of hearing about all the miracle cures that will fix us all. Wish it was that easy. But living with a intolerable condition that is slowly taking your life is bad enough. Hope this guy gives it a rest. Enough already! > Re: my Lumbar MRI said > > Dave, > > Am I disgruntled, angry and over emotional. TRY BEING TRULY SICK and in pain 24/7 with NO CURE, that is slowly dying, and see how you feel and act when someone tells you to change your diet and get your body aligned and you'll be all better. It is offensive. Am I hostile? Yes, I am hostile to anyone who comes on a group that is meant for support and tries to convince people that something will cure their issues when it is unproven or a crock of crap. I doubt that you had a total herniation and the other issues that you stated because there is no way realignment of your body would correct and heal those issues. Most people on this board aren't people with just a sore back that would benefit from what you are preaching. I said the food issue because I knew that was coming next from researching you on other posts, and I was correct. You started telling everyone that our diet was wrong if we were American and we should all check out the raw food diet, etc. I also found one that says " Avoid this guy: dj7 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 , im sharing Structural Anatomical information, nothing more or less. Take a DEEP breath and R E L A X Dave : ) > > > No offense Mark but its IMPOSSIBLE to authoritatively comment on anything unless you yourself have given it a thorough Objective try and experimented with it on yourself, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Actually, it IS possible for your nerves to stop being compressed and your bulge or herniation to go away with enough of the right kind of muscle manipulation. Many disc bulges are caused by compression of the spine due to trigger points and tight muscles, Relieve the muscle tightness, relieve the pressure on the disc causing it to bulge. --- Babbitt > No offense Mark but its IMPOSSIBLE to authoritatively comment on anything unless you yourself have given it a thorough Objective try and experimented with it on yourself, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 EVERYONE is welcome to their own opinion and are welcome to share it here. If you don't like what one person has to say, then don't read their posts. You don't have to buy into anyone's thought precess. That being said, it there is disrespect and inappropriate conversation, the member can be warned or banned. Please contact me off group if there is a concern over CONTINUAL behavior from a specific individual. --- Babbitt From: Mark R Hardin <gilachub@...> Subject: Re: Re: my Lumbar MRI said spinal problems Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:15 PM  Dave - JUST STOP! sorry I even responded...Rolfing is quackery to me - no matter what you say it it will always be quackery to me...thank you. ________________________________ From: Dave <dj7510@...> spinal problems Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 11:39:51 AM Subject: Re: my Lumbar MRI said Mark, allow me to correct you, this is NOT about Belief, i dont ' believe' nor ' dis believe' in ANYTHING. My Life is My experience and i simply state the Facts of what happened to me. I work that way on not only Rolfing but on ANYTHING in my Life. this is a principle that goes way beyond just the topic of Rolfing. Let me say This conversation im having here has nothing to do with the realm of ' belief' that is for children , we are all Adults here . Respectfully, The Realm of Belief is for santa Claus and the tooth Fairy, i would hope we are all way past that stage as adults So, Mark have You ever had Rolfing sessions ? Just like with all things in Life, Ive noticed those that criticize it the most have never even tried it, very easy to criticize anything from an ' armchair quarterback' position, but where the real rubber hits the road is have YOU personally had it done ? Usually it takes about 3 sessions minimum to feel the true effect, and the standard Program for full effect is 10 sessions As an Example its like i remember All my friends and family telling me that the Organic Raw Vegan diet is a bunch of nonsense and its all Psychological psuedo science and a fraud , that food is food and what you eat is Irrelevant to your health its all just food anyway and doesnt matter much. But the funny thing is these were all people Living on Mcs and Burger King as 70 % of their diet, somehow telling Me about food quality and how it affects the body ! lol They read a book about a guy who Never tried it either , telling them its not good so because he had a few letters after his name with a Degree as a Doctor, they never dared to question him Mark Thats called ' belief' Not Experience, Massive distinction Fact is They had never eaten a Mostly Raw Organic Vegan Diet in their entire lives, Most of them rarely if ever consumed raw Organic Fruits and Vegs on any level and now all of a sudden they were all experts in the diet ???? LOL Human Nature is astounding it really is, No offense Mark but its IMPOSSIBLE to authoritatively comment on anything unless you yourself have given it a thorough Objective try and experimented with it on yourself, its that way with not only something like Rolfing but with all things in Life. Its just way too easy to criticize from the sidelines and i admit its a fault of human nature as we all do it, but nonetheless its a Huge Negative barrier we all face to discovering fact from reality. FANTASTIC EXAMPLE : I remember my Medical Doctor telling me years ago that Human beings cant Live without food for more than 7 days or you will die and that going without food for any length of time is damaging and dangerous and that FAsting was a quack practice with no science behind it . LOL funny though this was from a man who Never missed a meal in his entire life and had zero experimenting or Experience for himself with fasting. Well i tried it being all the massive amount of People out there who lead by example and already did it with excellent results, i wanted to test it for myself. I felt so great and amazing the first few days doing it that i went total 17 days without any food and Fasted, just drank Water in a mountain retreat where i just rested and relaxed and it improved my Health to an astounding level and i felt rejuvenated ! And if not for i had to go back home to return to my job i could have EASILY gone another 10 days. My experience was not rare or Unique in any way with Fasting, MILLIONS of people have done it with excellent results around the world, its just that My Dr. had a closed mind was an Armchair quarterback speaking on a subject he was totally ignorant and clueless about because he Listened to people from the same position he had on it , = Zero life experience in the subject Ok now who was accurate, who was inaccurate, and who had the ' facts' Me or my Dr. ? what Position were each of us speaking from and who was better able to seperate fact from fiction on this topic me or him ? Who was speaking from a position of Mere superficial Belief and who was speaking from a position of actual real world experience and Authority ? me or him, think about that for a moment i Learned early in Life that it takes alot of intellectual objectivity and courage to not allow yourself to be brainwashed by Popularity. The truth and facts are out there but most people rather Prefer to be classic ' arm chair quarterbacks' never even gettin in the game so therefore speak from pure ignorance and pie in the sky theory, not Life experience. Massive distinction there i think back to what my Dr. told me About Fasting, and i realize his Profession could have 'told' him the sky was green not blue and Like most Dr.s would have never dared even question it. Actually nevermind Drs , more like most people , regardless of our Jobs, we never dare investigate anything on our own, We would rather have Other people tell us whats fact and whats error, and never experience anything for ourselves hmmm Humans are a bizarre bunch what im saying now goes WAY beyond the small subj of Rolfing, to a much deeper principle, Human Nature is funny huh , we say we want the truth, we ALL say it but Most people rarely do anything to discover it for themselves in their lives, except allow others who have no experience in an endeavor to tell them about it and they never question them . Yep we humans are a strange odd bunch huh, amazing dave dave > > > > > > > > > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you > >need > > > > >a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred >lightly. > > >I > > > > >don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't >work > > >in > > > > >the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink > > >at > > > > >the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that > >came > > > > >away due to the pian of it all. > > > > > Janice > > > > > my Lumbar MRI said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, >Loss > > > > > >of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based >protrusion > > > > > >in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 > S1 > > > > > > > > > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand >new > > > > >body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle >secret > > > > > >cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent > >Thousands > > > > >of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero > > > > > > > > > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all >been > > > > >searching for > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3373 - Release Date: > >01/10/11 > > > > >23:34:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 , just curious what is your opinion of Rolfing ? Have you ever Tried it for yourself ? What specifically did you do to heal your back and get rid of your Pain ? thanks, dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave can you share with the group? How does this Rolfing work? Do you > > > >need > > > > > > > > >a machine or anything else to make it work? Please take it easy tred > > >lightly. > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > > >don't want to be a pessimist here but I have hear things like this don't > > >work > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > >the end. If your having good results so that is wonderful. I too have a sink > > > > > > >at > > > > > > > > >the dryers and ta them in with us. Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iove you Kynn and I promise to try to keep up with this new drugs that > > > > > >came > > > > > > > > >away due to the pian of it all. > > > > > > > Janice > > > > > > > my Lumbar MRI said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Straightening of the Lumbar Lordosis, Shallow disc bulge at L4 L5, > > >Loss > > > > > > > > > > > >of water content at L5 S1, which also shows a bilateral broad based > > >protrusion > > > > > > > > > > > >in contact with the dural sac and encroachment in the Neural Foramina at L5 > > > > > S1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After 4 Rolfing Sessions NO MORE PAIN ! i feel like i have a brand > > >new > > > > > > > > > > >body its amazing !!!! everyone here has to try this, its like a Miracle > > >secret > > > > > > > > > > > >cure . In the Past i had hundreds of Chiropractic Treatments and spent > > > >Thousands > > > > > > > > >of dollars yet they never did anything to help me, zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont Drs know about this ???? Rolfing is the Answer we've all > > >been > > > > > > > > > > >searching for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3373 - Release Date: > > > >01/10/11 > > > > > > > > >23:34:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 It is impossible for a herniation to stop being herniated. The pain effects might go away, but once the nucleus has herniated from within the disc, it does not go back in. and the gang -- jacdobe@... Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG) Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs: Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe) Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel, Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba. Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA On 1/13/2011 8:30 PM, Babbitt wrote: > Actually, it IS possible for your nerves to stop being compressed and your bulge or herniation to go away with enough of the right kind of muscle manipulation. Many disc bulges are caused by compression of the spine due to trigger points and tight muscles, Relieve the muscle tightness, relieve the pressure on the disc causing it to bulge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Hit send before I meant to. The herniated material *might* be broken down and absorbed over time by the body, but that particular disc was still herniated. Of course, this does not happen to everyone nor did it happen to me. All the PT in the world wasn't helping. Surgery, however did. and the gang -- jacdobe@... Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG) Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs: Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe) Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel, Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba. Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA On 1/13/2011 8:39 PM, A. wrote: > The pain > effects might go away, but once the nucleus has herniated from within > the disc, it does not go back in. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 It is NOT impossible for a herniation to go back in. A herniation is still encapsulated within the disc and as such CAN relax and go back in. Also, many herniations do not cause symptoms. People without herniations have pain and people without pain have herniations. They are usually found when one has back pain and is automatically assumed to be the cause, just because they can see it on film. Discography is the ONLY way to tell if a disc is the source of pain, and those tests have their own complications and are being used less and less nowadays. --- Babbitt > Actually, it IS possible for your nerves to stop being compressed and your bulge or herniation to go away with enough of the right kind of muscle manipulation. Many disc bulges are caused by compression of the spine due to trigger points and tight muscles, Relieve the muscle tightness, relieve the pressure on the disc causing it to bulge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Surgery causes a permanent opening in the disc annulus...this allows more nucleus pulposus to leave the disc body and come into direct contact with the nerves, a condition far worse than herniation. The nucleus pulposus is a highly acidic material and it causes strong inflammation when it is not confined within the disc. The vast majority of people who have discectomy have relief right away, but it is temporary. Usually relief lasts no more than two years...at most. There are some people out there who have permanent relief, but they are the exception to the rule. Another danger with discectomy is that once that hole is made in the disc, the moisture content ,which provides that cushion and stability, is lost little by litlte until the disc becomes unstable and it necessitates a fusion. --- Babbitt > The pain > effects might go away, but once the nucleus has herniated from within > the disc, it does not go back in. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Where do you get your information? With an ACDF the herniated disc is REMOVED so there is no disc left for anything to come out of. and the gang -- jacdobe@... Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG) Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs: Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe) Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel, Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba. Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA On 1/13/2011 9:06 PM, Babbitt wrote: > Surgery causes a permanent opening in the disc annulus...this allows more nucleus pulposus to leave the disc body and come into direct contact with the nerves, a condition far worse than herniation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Ah, I see. We are talking about two different surgeries. I am speaking about cervical ACDF, which I had and there was immediate relief of both my neck and nerve pain. Will everyone have my results? Nope, but in my case the surgery was a success. As I understand it, in a situation like mine, with no serious DDD and all the other discs in excellent condition and the location (cervical) the likelihood of a positive long term prognosis is high. and the gang -- jacdobe@... Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG) Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs: Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe) Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel, Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba. Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA On 1/13/2011 9:06 PM, Babbitt wrote: > The vast majority of people who have discectomy have relief right away, but it is temporary. Usually relief lasts no more than two years...at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Yes, it does...but we wen't talking about ACDF.... --- Babbitt > Surgery causes a permanent opening in the disc annulus...this allows more nucleus pulposus to leave the disc body and come into direct contact with the nerves, a condition far worse than herniation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 You are absolutely right Jean. You do have a much higher chance of long term success! You are fortunate. The biggest issue you have to look out for is herniation of the adjoining discs and headaches from neck triggerpoints due to the dysfunction of a fused spine. --- Babbitt > The vast majority of people who have discectomy have relief right away, but it is temporary. Usually relief lasts no more than two years...at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Hi I know you from the Siamese group. I am so happy to hear that you've had such success with your cervical surgery:-) May you feel, and stay, well. Just thought I'd say hi. I think I'm also on one, or more, of the bird groups with you. ~ ~ ________________________________ From: A. <jacdobe@...> spinal problems Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 9:21:44 PM Subject: Re: Re: my Lumbar MRI said  Ah, I see. We are talking about two different surgeries. I am speaking about cervical ACDF, which I had and there was immediate relief of both my neck and nerve pain. Will everyone have my results? Nope, but in my case the surgery was a success. As I understand it, in a situation like mine, with no serious DDD and all the other discs in excellent condition and the location (cervical) the likelihood of a positive long term prognosis is high. and the gang -- jacdobe@... Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG) Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs: Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe) Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel, Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba. Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA On 1/13/2011 9:06 PM, Babbitt wrote: > The vast majority of people who have discectomy have relief right away, but it >is temporary. Usually relief lasts no more than two years...at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 The doctor who just preformed my spine fusion here in MN used a Discogram before preforming my surgery. So they still do them in MN anyways. One of the most painful procedures I've ever had. He wont fuse unless he is convinced the disk is the sourse of the pain. " Without rabbits a rabbits foot would be nothing but a disembodied hand full of unidentified toes. " -Pogo spinal problems From: tpowell1977@... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:01:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Re: my Lumbar MRI said It is NOT impossible for a herniation to go back in. A herniation is still encapsulated within the disc and as such CAN relax and go back in. Also, many herniations do not cause symptoms. People without herniations have pain and people without pain have herniations. They are usually found when one has back pain and is automatically assumed to be the cause, just because they can see it on film. Discography is the ONLY way to tell if a disc is the source of pain, and those tests have their own complications and are being used less and less nowadays. --- Babbitt > Actually, it IS possible for your nerves to stop being compressed and your bulge or herniation to go away with enough of the right kind of muscle manipulation. Many disc bulges are caused by compression of the spine due to trigger points and tight muscles, Relieve the muscle tightness, relieve the pressure on the disc causing it to bulge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Hi , I'd say nice to see you here but I wish neither one of us had to belong! Thanks for the good wishes.. I hope you find the support and help here that you need to get through your issues. Give Micah and Chloe a pet and cuddle from me. and the gang -- jacdobe@... Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG) Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs: Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe) Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel, Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba. Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA On 1/14/2011 3:38 PM, wrote: > I know you from the Siamese group. I am so happy to hear that you've had such > success with your cervical surgery:-) May you feel, and stay, well. Just > thought I'd say hi. I think I'm also on one, or more, of the bird groups with > you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I have seen all the posts on this. No need for me to read it again. Thank's! Re: Re: my Lumbar MRI said I'm starting to get that 'I feel like i'm about to rolf' feeling with each (repetitious) new post myself.... In a message dated 1/13/2011 6:31:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dj7510@... writes: Shad, You must begin to think in terms of Structure, we are talking pure hardcore anatomical structural common sense and Logic. Lets start at the Basics, Start Fresh by doing the following, they must ALL be done at the same time as you begin a new program for full Anatomical structural support and correction . Begin by buying a New Mattress, your body must recieve full proper support every Nite as you're sleeping. 9 hours a nite every single nite is a LONG tiime for your body to either be positively supported or wrongly, this is HUGE piece of the Pain alleviation puzzle. Your old mattress has the old body patterns woven into it from your mis aligned structure sleeping on it for years, This is Critical ! , very important Throw all your old s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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