Re: Flurogided - Injections Question

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Had it done many times w/o IV or sedation

KIM

In a message dated 1/16/2011 2:11:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

suemillie2001@... writes:

Hi to all

I went back to my Pain mangement Dr, this week, I have now decided to go

ahead an get this Injection " Sacrum " area ie tailbone area. To try to get

rid of this pain.

I spoke with this Dr Assitant regarding this Injection, while waiting on

the Dr.

I asked her, if I would be able to drive home after, she said no, as they

put a I.V. in just in case????

O.K. Doctor enters room, and said that this procedure will be done in a

Hospital, and I " yes I " have to FLATELY REFUSE an I.V. - don't agree for

this???? - I was in so much pain when I saw him, kinda like I'm at the end of

the road. So - this Dr wants me to go to the Hospital - and then argue with

the Nurses about getting an I.V.

He then went on to say that when the Hospital phone me, don't take any

notice of what they say, ie NO FOOD or FLUID, he said don't listen, you can

have your breakfast etc????

I was in shocked, an I guess thats why I didn't ask WHY? I guess when you

feel so bad you are vunerable to these Doctors.

I was wanting to know , has any members had this procedure done without

I.V.???

I, don't have a good history with medications, and I would of thought that

having an I.V. would be in mine and his best interest. So I guess he wants

me to refuse, and if anything goes wrong - sorry - I have signed the form.

I nearly lost my life to an operation in 2007 (not back related) and every

day is a blessing that I am still here.

Any thoughts from members.... please advise!!!!!

I have a feeling its a RED FLAG warning, I am on Workers Compensation,

and, I would think that they also would want this procedure going forwarded in

the best safety for me???

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I bet there are many here who have had these injections, It sounds like

your getting desperate because of the pain and this docotr is dangling this

injection in front of you saying it will help you. Well there is no gurantee

with these things. No one ever knows how these things will work on them. Have

you had an MRI? If so what did it say? Pain can rule our whole life I know I

have been there. After 5 back surgeries I am at last at peace with myself. I am

on narcotics for pain but the dose is very low and in 8 years it has not changed

one bit.I have had all the injections and never did I have an I.V.Please think

about what your about to do research the injection. Check out back injuries and

the effect they could have on you and your body. This could turn out very well

but if it doesn't we will all be here for you.

Janice

Flurogided - Injections Question

Hi to all

I went back to my Pain mangement Dr, this week, I have now decided to go ahead

an get this Injection " Sacrum " area ie tailbone area. To try to get rid of this

pain.

I spoke with this Dr Assitant regarding this Injection, while waiting on the

Dr.

I asked her, if I would be able to drive home after, she said no, as they put

a I.V. in just in case????

O.K. Doctor enters room, and said that this procedure will be done in a

Hospital, and I " yes I " have to FLATELY REFUSE an I.V. - don't agree for

this???? - I was in so much pain when I saw him, kinda like I'm at the end of

the road. So - this Dr wants me to go to the Hospital - and then argue with the

Nurses about getting an I.V.

He then went on to say that when the Hospital phone me, don't take any notice

of what they say, ie NO FOOD or FLUID, he said don't listen, you can have your

breakfast etc????

I was in shocked, an I guess thats why I didn't ask WHY? I guess when you feel

so bad you are vunerable to these Doctors.

I was wanting to know , has any members had this procedure done without

I.V.???

I, don't have a good history with medications, and I would of thought that

having an I.V. would be in mine and his best interest. So I guess he wants me to

refuse, and if anything goes wrong - sorry - I have signed the form.

I nearly lost my life to an operation in 2007 (not back related) and every day

is a blessing that I am still here.

Any thoughts from members.... please advise!!!!!

I have a feeling its a RED FLAG warning, I am on Workers Compensation, and, I

would think that they also would want this procedure going forwarded in the best

safety for me???

Thanks

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Thanksfor the replies I have received.

Yes, I know there is no MAGICAL CURE - but I am no whimp! and would have this

done without sedation etc - but I just don't know why the Dr is wanting me to

refuse I.V.? and go against the hospital orders? my mind is boggling? I have

already had an injection into this space ie sacrum area which only lasted 3

hours MAX!! and back to square one.

Thanks again for the replies.

From: Janice <faraway1@...>

Subject: Re: Flurogided - Injections Question

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 2:56 PM

 

I bet there are many here who have had these injections, It sounds like

your getting desperate because of the pain and this docotr is dangling this

injection in front of you saying it will help you. Well there is no gurantee

with these things. No one ever knows how these things will work on them. Have

you had an MRI? If so what did it say? Pain can rule our whole life I know I

have been there. After 5 back surgeries I am at last at peace with myself. I am

on narcotics for pain but the dose is very low and in 8 years it has not changed

one bit.I have had all the injections and never did I have an I.V.Please think

about what your about to do research the injection. Check out back injuries and

the effect they could have on you and your body. This could turn out very well

but if it doesn't we will all be here for you.

Janice

Flurogided - Injections Question

Hi to all

I went back to my Pain mangement Dr, this week, I have now decided to go ahead

an get this Injection " Sacrum " area ie tailbone area. To try to get rid of this

pain.

I spoke with this Dr Assitant regarding this Injection, while waiting on the Dr.

I asked her, if I would be able to drive home after, she said no, as they put a

I.V. in just in case????

O.K. Doctor enters room, and said that this procedure will be done in a

Hospital, and I " yes I " have to FLATELY REFUSE an I.V. - don't agree for

this???? - I was in so much pain when I saw him, kinda like I'm at the end of

the road. So - this Dr wants me to go to the Hospital - and then argue with the

Nurses about getting an I.V.

He then went on to say that when the Hospital phone me, don't take any notice of

what they say, ie NO FOOD or FLUID, he said don't listen, you can have your

breakfast etc????

I was in shocked, an I guess thats why I didn't ask WHY? I guess when you feel

so bad you are vunerable to these Doctors.

I was wanting to know , has any members had this procedure done without I.V.???

I, don't have a good history with medications, and I would of thought that

having an I.V. would be in mine and his best interest. So I guess he wants me to

refuse, and if anything goes wrong - sorry - I have signed the form.

I nearly lost my life to an operation in 2007 (not back related) and every day

is a blessing that I am still here.

Any thoughts from members.... please advise!!!!!

I have a feeling its a RED FLAG warning, I am on Workers Compensation, and, I

would think that they also would want this procedure going forwarded in the best

safety for me???

Thanks

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Sue,

I have had that injection with and without IV sedation. Unless you have a

resident learning how to do the procedure on you, it is NOT necessary to have IV

sedation. Many clinics don't even offer sedation for insurance and staffing

reasons. The reason the doc said you can ignore the don't eat before the

procedure, is that you don't want IV sedation. The reason they have you not eat

before, is because if you have problems with sedation, they don't want you to

aspirate. If you don't have sedation, you can eat. If you don't eat and you

change your mind about having sedation the morning of the procedure, you CAN

have sedation, as long as you didn't eat. Either way you cannot drive yourself

home from any injection for nerves in your lumbar area because many people have

weakness and numbness for a while after while the local anesthetic they inject

wears off. People have gotten into accidents because they cannot properly

control the car. It doesn't matter if you

have sedation or not with this.

--- Babbitt

From: susan <suemillie2001@...>

Subject: Flurogided - Injections Question

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 2:11 PM

 

Hi to all

I went back to my Pain mangement Dr, this week, I have now decided to go ahead

an get this Injection " Sacrum " area ie tailbone area. To try to get rid of this

pain.

I spoke with this Dr Assitant regarding this Injection, while waiting on the Dr.

I asked her, if I would be able to drive home after, she said no, as they put a

I.V. in just in case????

O.K. Doctor enters room, and said that this procedure will be done in a

Hospital, and I " yes I " have to FLATELY REFUSE an I.V. - don't agree for

this???? - I was in so much pain when I saw him, kinda like I'm at the end of

the road. So - this Dr wants me to go to the Hospital - and then argue with the

Nurses about getting an I.V.

He then went on to say that when the Hospital phone me, don't take any notice of

what they say, ie NO FOOD or FLUID, he said don't listen, you can have your

breakfast etc????

I was in shocked, an I guess thats why I didn't ask WHY? I guess when you feel

so bad you are vunerable to these Doctors.

I was wanting to know , has any members had this procedure done without I.V.???

I, don't have a good history with medications, and I would of thought that

having an I.V. would be in mine and his best interest. So I guess he wants me to

refuse, and if anything goes wrong - sorry - I have signed the form.

I nearly lost my life to an operation in 2007 (not back related) and every day

is a blessing that I am still here.

Any thoughts from members.... please advise!!!!!

I have a feeling its a RED FLAG warning, I am on Workers Compensation, and, I

would think that they also would want this procedure going forwarded in the best

safety for me???

Thanks

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The reason the injection only lasted three hours is that's about how long the

local anesthetic worked for. That means that the corticosteroids they injected

don't work on whatever your problem is. To me, I think there's no point in

trying it again. If it didn't work the first time, why do they think it will

work again?

--- Babbitt

From: susan millett <suemillie2001@...>

Subject: Re: Flurogided - Injections Question

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 3:03 PM

 

Thanksfor the replies I have received.

Yes, I know there is no MAGICAL CURE - but I am no whimp! and would have this

done without sedation etc - but I just don't know why the Dr is wanting me to

refuse I.V.? and go against the hospital orders? my mind is boggling? I have

already had an injection into this space ie sacrum area which only lasted 3

hours MAX!! and back to square one.

Thanks again for the replies.

From: Janice <faraway1@...>

Subject: Re: Flurogided - Injections Question

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 2:56 PM

 

I bet there are many here who have had these injections, It sounds like

your getting desperate because of the pain and this docotr is dangling this

injection in front of you saying it will help you. Well there is no gurantee

with these things. No one ever knows how these things will work on them. Have

you had an MRI? If so what did it say? Pain can rule our whole life I know I

have been there. After 5 back surgeries I am at last at peace with myself. I am

on narcotics for pain but the dose is very low and in 8 years it has not changed

one bit.I have had all the injections and never did I have an I.V.Please think

about what your about to do research the injection. Check out back injuries and

the effect they could have on you and your body. This could turn out very well

but if it doesn't we will all be here for you.

Janice

Flurogided - Injections Question

Hi to all

I went back to my Pain mangement Dr, this week, I have now decided to go ahead

an get this Injection " Sacrum " area ie tailbone area. To try to get rid of this

pain.

I spoke with this Dr Assitant regarding this Injection, while waiting on the Dr.

I asked her, if I would be able to drive home after, she said no, as they put a

I.V. in just in case????

O.K. Doctor enters room, and said that this procedure will be done in a

Hospital, and I " yes I " have to FLATELY REFUSE an I.V. - don't agree for

this???? - I was in so much pain when I saw him, kinda like I'm at the end of

the road. So - this Dr wants me to go to the Hospital - and then argue with the

Nurses about getting an I.V.

He then went on to say that when the Hospital phone me, don't take any notice of

what they say, ie NO FOOD or FLUID, he said don't listen, you can have your

breakfast etc????

I was in shocked, an I guess thats why I didn't ask WHY? I guess when you feel

so bad you are vunerable to these Doctors.

I was wanting to know , has any members had this procedure done without I.V.???

I, don't have a good history with medications, and I would of thought that

having an I.V. would be in mine and his best interest. So I guess he wants me to

refuse, and if anything goes wrong - sorry - I have signed the form.

I nearly lost my life to an operation in 2007 (not back related) and every day

is a blessing that I am still here.

Any thoughts from members.... please advise!!!!!

I have a feeling its a RED FLAG warning, I am on Workers Compensation, and, I

would think that they also would want this procedure going forwarded in the best

safety for me???

Thanks

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Dear

The Doctor tells, me that, this other procedure is much more POWERFUL ? he also

said that because I had nearly 3 hours of kinda relief, that makes him sure that

they, are on track to where they need to inject?. Doctors?????? just don't not

what to believe anymore? damn if you do and damn if you don't - a no catch

situation!!! that I guess many members here have had this all put before them.

I just find it very uneasy having to refuse the I.V. and try to be some kind of

" NO ALL " and refuse.

 I understand the part of no food, which I wont anyway, but I feel so UN

comfortable about it all, STUPID ME - MY BODY - and I didn't even ask my Doctor

why? I will, though before this procedure for my own peace of mind and safety.

I had read on-line, about the procedure and the sites I went to, all said I.V.

and N.P.O.  well, thanks for replying, as, a person can get such FAB info from

this site from people who have been there and done that.

-- On Sun, 1/16/11, Babbitt <tpowell1977@...> wrote:

From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>

Subject: Re: Flurogided - Injections Question

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 4:46 PM

 

The reason the injection only lasted three hours is that's about how long the

local anesthetic worked for. That means that the corticosteroids they injected

don't work on whatever your problem is. To me, I think there's no point in

trying it again. If it didn't work the first time, why do they think it will

work again?

--- Babbitt

From: susan millett <suemillie2001@...>

Subject: Re: Flurogided - Injections Question

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 3:03 PM

 

Thanksfor the replies I have received.

Yes, I know there is no MAGICAL CURE - but I am no whimp! and would have this

done without sedation etc - but I just don't know why the Dr is wanting me to

refuse I.V.? and go against the hospital orders? my mind is boggling? I have

already had an injection into this space ie sacrum area which only lasted 3

hours MAX!! and back to square one.

Thanks again for the replies.

From: Janice <faraway1@...>

Subject: Re: Flurogided - Injections Question

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 2:56 PM

 

I bet there are many here who have had these injections, It sounds like

your getting desperate because of the pain and this docotr is dangling this

injection in front of you saying it will help you. Well there is no gurantee

with these things. No one ever knows how these things will work on them. Have

you had an MRI? If so what did it say? Pain can rule our whole life I know I

have been there. After 5 back surgeries I am at last at peace with myself. I am

on narcotics for pain but the dose is very low and in 8 years it has not changed

one bit.I have had all the injections and never did I have an I.V.Please think

about what your about to do research the injection. Check out back injuries and

the effect they could have on you and your body. This could turn out very well

but if it doesn't we will all be here for you.

Janice

Flurogided - Injections Question

Hi to all

I went back to my Pain mangement Dr, this week, I have now decided to go ahead

an get this Injection " Sacrum " area ie tailbone area. To try to get rid of this

pain.

I spoke with this Dr Assitant regarding this Injection, while waiting on the Dr.

I asked her, if I would be able to drive home after, she said no, as they put a

I.V. in just in case????

O.K. Doctor enters room, and said that this procedure will be done in a

Hospital, and I " yes I " have to FLATELY REFUSE an I.V. - don't agree for

this???? - I was in so much pain when I saw him, kinda like I'm at the end of

the road. So - this Dr wants me to go to the Hospital - and then argue with the

Nurses about getting an I.V.

He then went on to say that when the Hospital phone me, don't take any notice of

what they say, ie NO FOOD or FLUID, he said don't listen, you can have your

breakfast etc????

I was in shocked, an I guess thats why I didn't ask WHY? I guess when you feel

so bad you are vunerable to these Doctors.

I was wanting to know , has any members had this procedure done without I.V.???

I, don't have a good history with medications, and I would of thought that

having an I.V. would be in mine and his best interest. So I guess he wants me to

refuse, and if anything goes wrong - sorry - I have signed the form.

I nearly lost my life to an operation in 2007 (not back related) and every day

is a blessing that I am still here.

Any thoughts from members.... please advise!!!!!

I have a feeling its a RED FLAG warning, I am on Workers Compensation, and, I

would think that they also would want this procedure going forwarded in the best

safety for me???

Thanks

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I had a series of facet injections, fluroscopy guided without sedation.

It was done in the pain management clinic, with an IV put in place " just

in case " but without any sedation other than 15 mg of valium which I was

to take 10 mg, starting 1 hour prior to my appointment and then 5 thirty

minutes later. Let me tell you... it was absolutely one of the most

painful things I have ever had done. The other thing approaching it in

pain was an NCS.

I would NEVER have these injections done again without some form of

sedation. This may only be my expererience but it felt like they were

injecting battery acid into my neck and I had to lay there and take it.

They had intended to do 4 facet joints but they could only do two due to

my extreme pain reaction. And then on top of it the injections didn't

help so I went through that agony for nothing.

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On 1/16/2011 2:14 PM, KLRRRT2@... wrote:

> I was wanting to know , has any members had this procedure done without

> I.V.???

> I, don't have a good history with medications, and I would of thought that

> having an I.V. would be in mine and his best interest. So I guess he wants

> me to refuse, and if anything goes wrong - sorry - I have signed the form.

[Guest guest]

My doctor was extremely experienced and the pain was intense. I met

quite a few people at the pain mgmt clinic who had the same experience

as I did. The injections can be very painful, which is why I wouldn't

ever get another without sedation.

and the gang -- jacdobe@...

Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG)

Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs:

Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe)

Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel,

Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba.

Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe

Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots

The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA

On 1/16/2011 4:36 PM, Babbitt wrote:

> Unless you have a resident learning how to do the procedure on you, it is NOT

necessary to have IV sedation.

[Guest guest]

Thanks - for your reply - I guess my Doctor seems to think I am some kinda

" SUPERWOMAN " p.s. which I am not!!! when I had the injection in the sacrum area

360 degrees - it hurt, but nothing like the pain I experience each day, so

maybe the Doctor  thinks I can go with out sedation? - , and I.V. but I don't

like the idea that I have to not tell the truth to the Hospital , that's what

concerns me the most. I am a very truthful person and will not be subjected to

going with this Doctors wishes!!!! as I have wishes also to get BETTER!!.Also

I read that they put some sort of dye into the area???? I had a major reaction

to a contrast dye with a MRI or Ct scan about 2004 - so would this dye that they

use  be related to what they use in scans???

Thanks Jean

On Sun, 1/16/11, A. <jacdobe@...> wrote:

From: A. <jacdobe@...>

Subject: Re: Flurogided - Injections Question

spinal problems

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 8:25 PM

 

My doctor was extremely experienced and the pain was intense. I met

quite a few people at the pain mgmt clinic who had the same experience

as I did. The injections can be very painful, which is why I wouldn't

ever get another without sedation.

and the gang -- jacdobe@...

Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG)

Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs:

Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe)

Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel,

Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba.

Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe

Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots

The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA

On 1/16/2011 4:36 PM, Babbitt wrote:

> Unless you have a resident learning how to do the procedure on you, it is NOT

necessary to have IV sedation.

[Guest guest]

Yes, the dye could be the same. Its hard to know for sure, but if you

had a major reaction then you should tell your doctor this because it

may definitely have an impact upon the test.

and the gang -- jacdobe@...

Birds: Sadie (GW) Cookie (MMxBuffons) Nissa (LJ) Sylvie (RB2) ie (CAG)

Cats: Sully(DSH) Shadow(DMH) Sanouk, Gabi, Cami & Hocus(Siamese) Dogs:

Skye (Dobe/Husky) Reece (Dobe)

Bridge kids: Jaderbug, Flirt, Tia, Munchkin, Jasmine, Chuckles, Angel,

Indi, Kayla, Sabien and our heart, Bubba.

Pics of the gang: http://community.webshots.com/user/jacdobe

Allparrots: http://pets./group/allparrots

The Coalition of PA Aviculturists: TCOPA

On 1/16/2011 8:43 PM, susan millett wrote:

> I had a major reaction to a contrast dye with a MRI or Ct scan about 2004 - so

would this dye that they use be related to what they use in scans???

[Guest guest]

There are several different types of contrast used. It will undoubtedly be

different, but you should ALWAYS notify the staff  and it should be on your

allergy sheet that you are allergic to contrast. It was probably an iodine based

contrast.

I thought you said that YOU didn't want the IV with sedation...and that that's

why the doc said to disregard the hospital's instructions...

If you WANT the sedation, then you have every right to get it as long as it is

offered by the location you are going to and the INSURANCE covers it. Workman's

Comp may not cover sedation as it is not medically necessary. Maybe that's why

he said that, the nurse may not have known that. The only other thing I can

think of is that when sedation is used on procedures (and they book several in a

row) it adds a good half hour to the procedure time between cases...thus holding

up a good portion of the docs day, especially if he's doing a bunch of

them...which he will be.

I would call Work Comp and ask if IV sedation is covered for your procedure. If

it is, I would call your doctor's office and ask why you couldn't have it. Last

option is wait till the morning of the injection. The doctor himself does NOT

perform the sedation. When done in the hospital it is done by hospital

staff...either anesthesia personnel or an operating room nurse that's certified

to perform IVCS...IntraVenous Conscious Sedation. The hospital will give you the

option as long as your insurance covers it.

--- Babbitt

> Unless you have a resident learning how to do the procedure on you, it is NOT

necessary to have IV sedation.