Re: Another orthopod bites the dust

[Guest guest]

On an actually useful note, I've found that a memory foam mattress has

reduced pain levels considerably. That said, can't say as how much is really

spine-related, and how much is muscles and hips etc. But it does allow

much better sleeping and less morning pain.

In a message dated 1/13/2011 9:43:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

katecarr@... writes:

Dave, You have not offered any new information. Anyone and everyone on

this planet knows that they need to eat a good diet, that organic fruits and

veggies are best, that wearing shoes that are supportive is best, that

sleeping on a good mattress is best, that they need to exercise etc etc etc.

Rolfing has been around for a very long time and one would have to have heard

of it or known about it. You are not getting the clues when people are

trying to be gracious about it. Give it a rest. Kate

From: Dave

Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:05 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Another orthopod bites the dust

no problem , and you are correct, i agree , i didnt know everyone

here was so Angry, hostile , sensitive and defensive about New information.

When i was in Severe Pain i welcomed each and every suggestion i could find

and anything that even remotely sounded Logical and reasonable in Theory, i

tried it on myself before i passed judgement on it so i knew for sure if

it worked or didnt.

But thats just me, ive always been incredibly open minded and curious in

my Search to get well, and i know everyones Mental barriers and constructs

and Levels of Objectivity are different of course.

Before i totally leave the subj of Rolfing, and i assure you i will so as

not to upset anyone from now on, Given your vast knowledge and Experience

with Structural issues, can i just get your own Opinion on it and if you've

ever tried it ?

Also ive Read that if i didnt do any Exercises to Strengthen the tiny

Muscles that are between each Vertebrae that the space between them probably

wont hold and i could be in Pain once more in future from the disc re

compressing due to Gravity and Normal day to day weight bearing activities

Generally speakin' Is that True, and if so, Do you know of any specific

exercises i can do to gradually Strengthen those Tiny Spinal muscles Located

between each of the Vertebrae around L5 S1 area and L4 L5 ?

thanks,

Dave

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> > Well, I've been quite here for a month. Saw another orthopod the 1st

week of January who turned out to be somebody who should be pumping gas

instead of looking at back injuries.

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> > Before I saw this guy, I had been contacted by one of the out of state

neuros familiar with my xrays and MRI. He basically told me that my

fractured and downward pointing L5 transverse process very likely still has the

iliolumbar ligament attached. AND that the symptoms I described to him ALL

coincide with that ligament being compromised, especially the opposite side

of the pelvis being significantly higher than the other side.

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> > Sooooooooo, I opened up my little handy dandy anatomy book, flipped to

the pages on lumbar/sacral ligaments and attachments, and my eyeballs

googled out like little binoculars. Holy Mabel Marie! And then I started

internet searching for more info. Yes, boya and girls, it's a ligament!

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> > Ok, so scroll forward a bit and I go to see this 2nd orthopod

specifically about this possible ligament damage and treatment/repair/whatever.

nd

the guy spend most of the appointment taking my health history, writing it

in his computer, and then putting it into his little tape recorder. And " I "

spent most of the appointment trying to talk to him about the ligament.

And every time I would speak he'd admonish me and try top force me to stop

talking.

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> > So I stood up, said " looks like I'm s.o.l. with you. " and asked him if

he knew anyone who actually knew about ligaments, since he was clueless

(yes, I said that), and he said " you just have osteoporosis " and just walked

away. ...moron...lucky I didn't shove his baseball sized head thru the

wall...

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type of thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the

offending bone. ...pruning shears anyone?

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Sam, have you ever tried Rolfing ?

d

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> Well, I've been quite here for a month. Saw another orthopod the 1st week of

January who turned out to be somebody who should be pumping gas instead of

looking at back injuries.

>

> Before I saw this guy, I had been contacted by one of the out of state neuros

familiar with my xrays and MRI. He basically told me that my fractured and

downward pointing L5 transverse process very likely still has the iliolumbar

ligament attached. AND that the symptoms I described to him ALL coincide with

that ligament being compromised, especially the opposite side of the pelvis

being significantly higher than the other side.

>

> Sooooooooo, I opened up my little handy dandy anatomy book, flipped to the

pages on lumbar/sacral ligaments and attachments, and my eyeballs googled out

like little binoculars. Holy Mabel Marie! And then I started internet searching

for more info. Yes, boya and girls, it's a ligament!

>

> Ok, so scroll forward a bit and I go to see this 2nd orthopod specifically

about this possible ligament damage and treatment/repair/whatever. nd the guy

spend most of the appointment taking my health history, writing it in his

computer, and then putting it into his little tape recorder. And " I " spent most

of the appointment trying to talk to him about the ligament. And every time I

would speak he'd admonish me and try top force me to stop talking.

> So I stood up, said " looks like I'm s.o.l. with you. " and asked him if he knew

anyone who actually knew about ligaments, since he was clueless (yes, I said

that), and he said " you just have osteoporosis " and just walked away.

....moron...lucky I didn't shove his baseball sized head thru the wall...

>

> I have an appt with my pcp to find out wtf was wrong with that orthopod and to

read whatever stupid insanity he wrote down.

>

> Ok, so who would I see, what type of doc, for ligaments?

> From what I've been told by the out of state guy, this is a quick fix type of

thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the offending bone.

....pruning shears anyone?

>

> Sam

> (PNW great granny)

>

[Guest guest]

" The 12 " thick one on sale at Costco " ...something like $400 on sale for a

full? Maybe $500, tops.

In a message dated 1/13/2011 11:32:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

dj7510@... writes:

Great to hear, May i ask what Brand of Memory Foam mattress you

bought , how long have you had it and how much it cost ? Since it

helped you so much im gonna check into getting one.

[Guest guest]

Sam,

Hhhhhh...I'm so very tired of shitty docs out there. The way they treat people

is inexcusable and unnecessary...not to mention against the Hippocratic Oath

they took when they became physicians. I'm so sorry that you too have had to

deal with this problem.

As far as treating the ligament goes, I hate to tell you that there's no

operative solution to that problem. The thing that makes ligament damage so

difficult, is because it doesn't really have elastic properties. It's like

pulling on an old piece of elastic, you stretch it but it doesn't go back. They

haven't come up with a solution to that problem yet, but I hope they figure

something out soon...spine fusion surgery as well as disc replacement surgery

requires such traction and stretching of the ligament to complete the surgical

procedure, that it is causing further damage and future instability. The spine

ligaments are the strongest part of the framework that holds all those discs and

vertebrae in line. Without the constant tension, there is loss of stability. The

iliolumbar ligament may be helped by strengthening and stretching the hip flexor

muscle on the affected side, as well as the psoas muscle. The psoas is one of

the largest muscles in the body

and connects your hip/groin to the anterior part of your spine...right about

where the lumbar region starts. Strengthening this muscle helps tremendously

with spine stability.

I myself am proof positive that it helps dramatically.

From: Sam . <k9gang@...>

Subject: Another orthopod bites the dust

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 4:39 PM

 

Well, I've been quite here for a month. Saw another orthopod the 1st week

of January who turned out to be somebody who should be pumping gas instead of

looking at back injuries.

Before I saw this guy, I had been contacted by one of the out of state neuros

familiar with my xrays and MRI. He basically told me that my fractured and

downward pointing L5 transverse process very likely still has the iliolumbar

ligament attached. AND that the symptoms I described to him ALL coincide with

that ligament being compromised, especially the opposite side of the pelvis

being significantly higher than the other side.

Sooooooooo, I opened up my little handy dandy anatomy book, flipped to the pages

on lumbar/sacral ligaments and attachments, and my eyeballs googled out like

little binoculars. Holy Mabel Marie! And then I started internet searching for

more info. Yes, boya and girls, it's a ligament!

Ok, so scroll forward a bit and I go to see this 2nd orthopod specifically about

this possible ligament damage and treatment/repair/whatever. nd the guy spend

most of the appointment taking my health history, writing it in his computer,

and then putting it into his little tape recorder. And " I " spent most of the

appointment trying to talk to him about the ligament. And every time I would

speak he'd admonish me and try top force me to stop talking.

So I stood up, said " looks like I'm s.o.l. with you. " and asked him if he knew

anyone who actually knew about ligaments, since he was clueless (yes, I said

that), and he said " you just have osteoporosis " and just walked away.

....moron...lucky I didn't shove his baseball sized head thru the wall...

I have an appt with my pcp to find out wtf was wrong with that orthopod and to

read whatever stupid insanity he wrote down.

Ok, so who would I see, what type of doc, for ligaments?

From what I've been told by the out of state guy, this is a quick fix type of

thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the offending bone.

....pruning shears anyone?

Sam

(PNW great granny)

[Guest guest]

Dave,

You cannot force feed people your ideas and opinions. All it does is keep people

from hearing what you have to say about anything. Please, for the sake of what

thhis group stands for, leave the rolfing subject alone. If anyone wants to know

more, they'll ask and they can read past posts.

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From: Dave <dj7510@...>

Subject: Re: Another orthopod bites the dust

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 5:56 PM

 

Sam, have you ever tried Rolfing ?

d

>

> Well, I've been quite here for a month. Saw another orthopod the 1st week of

January who turned out to be somebody who should be pumping gas instead of

looking at back injuries.

>

> Before I saw this guy, I had been contacted by one of the out of state neuros

familiar with my xrays and MRI. He basically told me that my fractured and

downward pointing L5 transverse process very likely still has the iliolumbar

ligament attached. AND that the symptoms I described to him ALL coincide with

that ligament being compromised, especially the opposite side of the pelvis

being significantly higher than the other side.

>

> Sooooooooo, I opened up my little handy dandy anatomy book, flipped to the

pages on lumbar/sacral ligaments and attachments, and my eyeballs googled out

like little binoculars. Holy Mabel Marie! And then I started internet searching

for more info. Yes, boya and girls, it's a ligament!

>

> Ok, so scroll forward a bit and I go to see this 2nd orthopod specifically

about this possible ligament damage and treatment/repair/whatever. nd the guy

spend most of the appointment taking my health history, writing it in his

computer, and then putting it into his little tape recorder. And " I " spent most

of the appointment trying to talk to him about the ligament. And every time I

would speak he'd admonish me and try top force me to stop talking.

> So I stood up, said " looks like I'm s.o.l. with you. " and asked him if he knew

anyone who actually knew about ligaments, since he was clueless (yes, I said

that), and he said " you just have osteoporosis " and just walked away.

....moron...lucky I didn't shove his baseball sized head thru the wall...

>

> I have an appt with my pcp to find out wtf was wrong with that orthopod and to

read whatever stupid insanity he wrote down.

>

> Ok, so who would I see, what type of doc, for ligaments?

> From what I've been told by the out of state guy, this is a quick fix type of

thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the offending bone.

....pruning shears anyone?

>

> Sam

> (PNW great granny)

>

[Guest guest]

no problem , and you are correct, i agree , i didnt know everyone here was

so Angry, hostile , sensitive and defensive about New information. When i

was in Severe Pain i welcomed each and every suggestion i could find and

anything that even remotely sounded Logical and reasonable in Theory, i tried

it on myself before i passed judgement on it so i knew for sure if it worked or

didnt.

But thats just me, ive always been incredibly open minded and curious in my

Search to get well, and i know everyones Mental barriers and constructs and

Levels of Objectivity are different of course.

Before i totally leave the subj of Rolfing, and i assure you i will so as not

to upset anyone from now on, Given your vast knowledge and Experience with

Structural issues, can i just get your own Opinion on it and if you've ever

tried it ?

Also ive Read that if i didnt do any Exercises to Strengthen the tiny Muscles

that are between each Vertebrae that the space between them probably wont hold

and i could be in Pain once more in future from the disc re compressing due to

Gravity and Normal day to day weight bearing activities

Generally speakin' Is that True, and if so, Do you know of any specific

exercises i can do to gradually Strengthen those Tiny Spinal muscles Located

between each of the Vertebrae around L5 S1 area and L4 L5 ?

thanks,

Dave

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> > Well, I've been quite here for a month. Saw another orthopod the 1st week of

January who turned out to be somebody who should be pumping gas instead of

looking at back injuries.

>

> >

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> > Before I saw this guy, I had been contacted by one of the out of state

neuros familiar with my xrays and MRI. He basically told me that my fractured

and downward pointing L5 transverse process very likely still has the iliolumbar

ligament attached. AND that the symptoms I described to him ALL coincide with

that ligament being compromised, especially the opposite side of the pelvis

being significantly higher than the other side.

>

> >

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> > Sooooooooo, I opened up my little handy dandy anatomy book, flipped to the

pages on lumbar/sacral ligaments and attachments, and my eyeballs googled out

like little binoculars. Holy Mabel Marie! And then I started internet searching

for more info. Yes, boya and girls, it's a ligament!

>

> >

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> > Ok, so scroll forward a bit and I go to see this 2nd orthopod specifically

about this possible ligament damage and treatment/repair/whatever. nd the guy

spend most of the appointment taking my health history, writing it in his

computer, and then putting it into his little tape recorder. And " I " spent most

of the appointment trying to talk to him about the ligament. And every time I

would speak he'd admonish me and try top force me to stop talking.

>

> > So I stood up, said " looks like I'm s.o.l. with you. " and asked him if he

knew anyone who actually knew about ligaments, since he was clueless (yes, I

said that), and he said " you just have osteoporosis " and just walked away.

....moron...lucky I didn't shove his baseball sized head thru the wall...

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> > I have an appt with my pcp to find out wtf was wrong with that orthopod and

to read whatever stupid insanity he wrote down.

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> > From what I've been told by the out of state guy, this is a quick fix type

of thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the offending

bone. ...pruning shears anyone?

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> > From what I've been told by the out of state guy, this is a quick fix type

of thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the offending

bone. ...pruning shears anyone?

[Guest guest]

Dave, You have not offered any new information. Anyone and everyone on this

planet knows that they need to eat a good diet, that organic fruits and veggies

are best, that wearing shoes that are supportive is best, that sleeping on a

good mattress is best, that they need to exercise etc etc etc. Rolfing has been

around for a very long time and one would have to have heard of it or known

about it. You are not getting the clues when people are trying to be gracious

about it. Give it a rest. Kate

From: Dave

Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:05 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Another orthopod bites the dust

no problem , and you are correct, i agree , i didnt know everyone here was

so Angry, hostile , sensitive and defensive about New information. When i was in

Severe Pain i welcomed each and every suggestion i could find and anything that

even remotely sounded Logical and reasonable in Theory, i tried it on myself

before i passed judgement on it so i knew for sure if it worked or didnt.

But thats just me, ive always been incredibly open minded and curious in my

Search to get well, and i know everyones Mental barriers and constructs and

Levels of Objectivity are different of course.

Before i totally leave the subj of Rolfing, and i assure you i will so as not to

upset anyone from now on, Given your vast knowledge and Experience with

Structural issues, can i just get your own Opinion on it and if you've ever

tried it ?

Also ive Read that if i didnt do any Exercises to Strengthen the tiny Muscles

that are between each Vertebrae that the space between them probably wont hold

and i could be in Pain once more in future from the disc re compressing due to

Gravity and Normal day to day weight bearing activities

Generally speakin' Is that True, and if so, Do you know of any specific

exercises i can do to gradually Strengthen those Tiny Spinal muscles Located

between each of the Vertebrae around L5 S1 area and L4 L5 ?

thanks,

Dave

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> > Well, I've been quite here for a month. Saw another orthopod the 1st week of

January who turned out to be somebody who should be pumping gas instead of

looking at back injuries.

>

> >

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> > Before I saw this guy, I had been contacted by one of the out of state

neuros familiar with my xrays and MRI. He basically told me that my fractured

and downward pointing L5 transverse process very likely still has the iliolumbar

ligament attached. AND that the symptoms I described to him ALL coincide with

that ligament being compromised, especially the opposite side of the pelvis

being significantly higher than the other side.

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> > Sooooooooo, I opened up my little handy dandy anatomy book, flipped to the

pages on lumbar/sacral ligaments and attachments, and my eyeballs googled out

like little binoculars. Holy Mabel Marie! And then I started internet searching

for more info. Yes, boya and girls, it's a ligament!

>

> >

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> > Ok, so scroll forward a bit and I go to see this 2nd orthopod specifically

about this possible ligament damage and treatment/repair/whatever. nd the guy

spend most of the appointment taking my health history, writing it in his

computer, and then putting it into his little tape recorder. And " I " spent most

of the appointment trying to talk to him about the ligament. And every time I

would speak he'd admonish me and try top force me to stop talking.

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> > So I stood up, said " looks like I'm s.o.l. with you. " and asked him if he

knew anyone who actually knew about ligaments, since he was clueless (yes, I

said that), and he said " you just have osteoporosis " and just walked away.

....moron...lucky I didn't shove his baseball sized head thru the wall...

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to read whatever stupid insanity he wrote down.

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of thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the offending

bone. ...pruning shears anyone?

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There are numerous ligaments attached to the lower transverse processes, so

loosing or clipping off part of the one offending ligament attached to that

broken process shouldn't turn me into Gumby, should it?

I tried to get the image to show up in a jpg bmp gif, etc, but it's not showing

up clearly. grrr

So, what I see is the L5 transverse process, fractured a bit more than 25% thru

the bone midway between tip and spine. It is bent downward almost straight up

and down (uh-oh). The ligament is still attached at both the tip of the bone and

onto the iliac crest, except instead of the ligament being horizontal-ish as it

should be, it is now pulled downward and to the right. THAT has caused my right

hip/pelvis to go 'up' on the right, TO my ribs.

(ew, ick...it sounds really creepy after writing it down)

It's more a matter of physics and mechanics, I think.

And, of course, further damage to the ligament can cause damage to L4 and L5, so

I'll pass on doing anything that will promote that.

I'm so sick and tired of all these clueless pea brained morons masquerading as

doctors out here.

Sam

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> Hhhhhh...I'm so very tired of shitty docs out there. The way they treat people

is inexcusable and unnecessary...not to mention against the Hippocratic Oath

they took when they became physicians. I'm so sorry that you too have had to

deal with this problem.

>

> As far as treating the ligament goes, I hate to tell you that there's no

operative solution to that problem. The thing that makes ligament damage so

difficult, is because it doesn't really have elastic properties. It's like

pulling on an old piece of elastic, you stretch it but it doesn't go back. They

haven't come up with a solution to that problem yet, but I hope they figure

something out soon...spine fusion surgery as well as disc replacement surgery

requires such traction and stretching of the ligament to complete the surgical

procedure, that it is causing further damage and future instability. The spine

ligaments are the strongest part of the framework that holds all those discs and

vertebrae in line. Without the constant tension, there is loss of stability. The

iliolumbar ligament may be helped by strengthening and stretching the hip flexor

muscle on the affected side, as well as the psoas muscle. The psoas is one of

the largest muscles in the body

> and connects your hip/groin to the anterior part of your spine...right about

where the lumbar region starts. Strengthening this muscle helps tremendously

with spine stability.

>

> I myself am proof positive that it helps dramatically.

>

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Yes I have. There's one in my general area but doesn't take my insurance. The

rest are out of state or country.

Sam

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> Maybe you can ask the out of state guy for a referral or suggestion of a

> doctor in your area?

[Guest guest]

Great to hear, May i ask what Brand of Memory Foam mattress you bought ,

how long have you had it and how much it cost ? Since it helped you so

much im gonna check into getting one.

thanks,

dave

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Well, I've been quite here for a month. Saw another orthopod the 1st

> week of January who turned out to be somebody who should be pumping gas

> instead of looking at back injuries.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Before I saw this guy, I had been contacted by one of the out of state

> neuros familiar with my xrays and MRI. He basically told me that my

> fractured and downward pointing L5 transverse process very likely still has

the

> iliolumbar ligament attached. AND that the symptoms I described to him ALL

> coincide with that ligament being compromised, especially the opposite side

> of the pelvis being significantly higher than the other side.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sooooooooo, I opened up my little handy dandy anatomy book, flipped to

> the pages on lumbar/sacral ligaments and attachments, and my eyeballs

> googled out like little binoculars. Holy Mabel Marie! And then I started

> internet searching for more info. Yes, boya and girls, it's a ligament!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Ok, so scroll forward a bit and I go to see this 2nd orthopod

> specifically about this possible ligament damage and

treatment/repair/whatever. nd

> the guy spend most of the appointment taking my health history, writing it

> in his computer, and then putting it into his little tape recorder. And " I "

> spent most of the appointment trying to talk to him about the ligament.

> And every time I would speak he'd admonish me and try top force me to stop

> talking.

> >

> > > So I stood up, said " looks like I'm s.o.l. with you. " and asked him if

> he knew anyone who actually knew about ligaments, since he was clueless

> (yes, I said that), and he said " you just have osteoporosis " and just walked

> away. ...moron...lucky I didn't shove his baseball sized head thru the

> wall...

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I have an appt with my pcp to find out wtf was wrong with that

> orthopod and to read whatever stupid insanity he wrote down.

> >

> > >

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> > > Ok, so who would I see, what type of doc, for ligaments?

> >

> > > From what I've been told by the out of state guy, this is a quick fix

> type of thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the

> offending bone. ...pruning shears anyone?

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Thanks, They appear very comfortable and supportive, Being you were helped

is a great referral, im gonna def check them out and try one, and also the

price is not bad at all ! if they are that good they are def worth it for

sure.

dave

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> " The 12 " thick one on sale at Costco " ...something like $400 on sale for a

> full? Maybe $500, tops.

>

> In a message dated 1/13/2011 11:32:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> dj7510@... writes:

>

> Great to hear, May i ask what Brand of Memory Foam mattress you

> bought , how long have you had it and how much it cost ? Since it

> helped you so much im gonna check into getting one.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can you find another way to send it to me? Try changing the format to just jpg

--- Babbitt

From: Sam . <k9gang@...>

Subject: Re: Another orthopod bites the dust

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 9:46 PM

 

There are numerous ligaments attached to the lower transverse processes,

so loosing or clipping off part of the one offending ligament attached to that

broken process shouldn't turn me into Gumby, should it?

I tried to get the image to show up in a jpg bmp gif, etc, but it's not showing

up clearly. grrr

So, what I see is the L5 transverse process, fractured a bit more than 25% thru

the bone midway between tip and spine. It is bent downward almost straight up

and down (uh-oh). The ligament is still attached at both the tip of the bone and

onto the iliac crest, except instead of the ligament being horizontal-ish as it

should be, it is now pulled downward and to the right. THAT has caused my right

hip/pelvis to go 'up' on the right, TO my ribs.

(ew, ick...it sounds really creepy after writing it down)

It's more a matter of physics and mechanics, I think.

And, of course, further damage to the ligament can cause damage to L4 and L5, so

I'll pass on doing anything that will promote that.

I'm so sick and tired of all these clueless pea brained morons masquerading as

doctors out here.

Sam

>

> Sam,

>

> Hhhhhh...I'm so very tired of shitty docs out there. The way they treat people

is inexcusable and unnecessary...not to mention against the Hippocratic Oath

they took when they became physicians. I'm so sorry that you too have had to

deal with this problem.

>

> As far as treating the ligament goes, I hate to tell you that there's no

operative solution to that problem. The thing that makes ligament damage so

difficult, is because it doesn't really have elastic properties. It's like

pulling on an old piece of elastic, you stretch it but it doesn't go back. They

haven't come up with a solution to that problem yet, but I hope they figure

something out soon...spine fusion surgery as well as disc replacement surgery

requires such traction and stretching of the ligament to complete the surgical

procedure, that it is causing further damage and future instability. The spine

ligaments are the strongest part of the framework that holds all those discs and

vertebrae in line. Without the constant tension, there is loss of stability. The

iliolumbar ligament may be helped by strengthening and stretching the hip flexor

muscle on the affected side, as well as the psoas muscle. The psoas is one of

the largest muscles in the

body

> and connects your hip/groin to the anterior part of your spine...right about

where the lumbar region starts. Strengthening this muscle helps tremendously

with spine stability.

>

> I myself am proof positive that it helps dramatically.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Be warned...with memory foam as with most things, you get what you pay for. I

bought a " Bob-o-Pedic " and it felt good for a little while, but the foam lost

it's strength after a year. You could actually feel that like a spring mattress,

it was firmer in the middle. That mattress was just over $1000...so....if I had

to do it again, I would go with the brand Temper-pedic...even though it's

exorbitant. You can usually find someone getting rid of one on Craigslist or

somewhere....some people just can't get used to the very different feeling of a

memory foam mattress and end up selling them while still new for a fraction of

the cost.

--- Babbitt

From: Dave <dj7510@...>

Subject: Re: Another orthopod bites the dust

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 11:46 PM

 

Thanks, They appear very comfortable and supportive, Being you were

helped is a great referral, im gonna def check them out and try one, and also

the price is not bad at all ! if they are that good they are def worth it for

sure.

dave

>

> " The 12 " thick one on sale at Costco " ...something like $400 on sale for a

> full? Maybe $500, tops.

>

> In a message dated 1/13/2011 11:32:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> dj7510@... writes:

>

> Great to hear, May i ask what Brand of Memory Foam mattress you

> bought , how long have you had it and how much it cost ? Since it

> helped you so much im gonna check into getting one.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd say anything that improves your sleep also helps with the nasty triad

of sleep deprivation, pain, and depression. No, a memory foam mattress

won't cure your spinal problems, but it can help most folks with various back

and leg pains sleep better, from what I'm seeing and hearing.

Same thing with Skechers " shape up " shoes..I don't think my butt now looks

like it did when I was 20, but it does cushion the shock of walking and

that is another small but worth trying measure.

Oh..on the list of " odd pains " ...now and then it feels as if someone put a

water balloon filled with hot water in my hip pocket..then breaks it.

Not painful, but very peculiar feeling of hot water spreading across the

skin.

In a message dated 1/14/2011 4:44:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

piggytails53@... writes:

Yes, I have to agree with you on the bed. I purchased a memory foam

mattress

set and one of those auto/adjustable systems that raises/lowers feet/head

and

massages in different zones. It's helped me a lot. Mine fit inside my

wooden

bed frame (w/headboard & footboard). I can already feel it's helped me

and is

worth every penny. Not much more than a good, big name brand, reg

mattress

set. It has no springs and bugs cannot live, or breed, in one, something

to do

with the manufacturing of the memory foam, maybe a chemical used in

it...or

something. When I traveled home to CT in Oct I slept on reg mattresses

for 9

nights and oh, how my back was killing me! Neither mattress or adjustable

frame

are big brand names but are supportive and therapeutic. I got them at a

chain

mattress store here in FL called Mattress Giant, maybe they're nationwide,

I

have no idea.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have to agree with you on the bed.  I purchased a memory foam mattress

set and one of those auto/adjustable systems that raises/lowers feet/head and

massages in different zones.  It's helped me a lot.  Mine fit inside my wooden

bed frame (w/headboard & footboard).  I can already feel it's helped me and is

worth every penny.  Not much more than a good, big name brand, reg mattress

set.  It has no springs and bugs cannot live, or breed, in one, something to

do

with the manufacturing of the memory foam, maybe a chemical used in it...or

something.  When I traveled home to CT in Oct I slept on reg mattresses for 9

nights and oh, how my back was killing me!  Neither mattress or adjustable

frame

are big brand names but are supportive and therapeutic.  I got them at a chain

mattress store here in FL called Mattress Giant, maybe they're nationwide, I

have no idea.

 ~ ~

________________________________

From: " jarcher107@... " <jarcher107@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 10:28:46 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Another orthopod bites the dust

 

On an actually useful note, I've found that a memory foam mattress has

reduced pain levels considerably. That said, can't say as how much is really

spine-related, and how much is muscles and hips etc. But it does allow

much better sleeping and less morning pain.

In a message dated 1/13/2011 9:43:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

katecarr@... writes:

Dave, You have not offered any new information. Anyone and everyone on

this planet knows that they need to eat a good diet, that organic fruits and

veggies are best, that wearing shoes that are supportive is best, that

sleeping on a good mattress is best, that they need to exercise etc etc etc.

Rolfing has been around for a very long time and one would have to have heard

of it or known about it. You are not getting the clues when people are

trying to be gracious about it. Give it a rest. Kate

From: Dave

Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:05 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Another orthopod bites the dust

no problem , and you are correct, i agree , i didnt know everyone

here was so Angry, hostile , sensitive and defensive about New information.

When i was in Severe Pain i welcomed each and every suggestion i could find

and anything that even remotely sounded Logical and reasonable in Theory, i

tried it on myself before i passed judgement on it so i knew for sure if

it worked or didnt.

But thats just me, ive always been incredibly open minded and curious in

my Search to get well, and i know everyones Mental barriers and constructs

and Levels of Objectivity are different of course.

Before i totally leave the subj of Rolfing, and i assure you i will so as

not to upset anyone from now on, Given your vast knowledge and Experience

with Structural issues, can i just get your own Opinion on it and if you've

ever tried it ?

Also ive Read that if i didnt do any Exercises to Strengthen the tiny

Muscles that are between each Vertebrae that the space between them probably

wont hold and i could be in Pain once more in future from the disc re

compressing due to Gravity and Normal day to day weight bearing activities

Generally speakin' Is that True, and if so, Do you know of any specific

exercises i can do to gradually Strengthen those Tiny Spinal muscles Located

between each of the Vertebrae around L5 S1 area and L4 L5 ?

thanks,

Dave

>

> >

>

> > Well, I've been quite here for a month. Saw another orthopod the 1st

week of January who turned out to be somebody who should be pumping gas

instead of looking at back injuries.

>

> >

>

> > Before I saw this guy, I had been contacted by one of the out of state

neuros familiar with my xrays and MRI. He basically told me that my

fractured and downward pointing L5 transverse process very likely still has the

iliolumbar ligament attached. AND that the symptoms I described to him ALL

coincide with that ligament being compromised, especially the opposite side

of the pelvis being significantly higher than the other side.

>

> >

>

> > Sooooooooo, I opened up my little handy dandy anatomy book, flipped to

the pages on lumbar/sacral ligaments and attachments, and my eyeballs

googled out like little binoculars. Holy Mabel Marie! And then I started

internet searching for more info. Yes, boya and girls, it's a ligament!

>

> >

>

> > Ok, so scroll forward a bit and I go to see this 2nd orthopod

specifically about this possible ligament damage and treatment/repair/whatever.

nd

the guy spend most of the appointment taking my health history, writing it

in his computer, and then putting it into his little tape recorder. And " I "

spent most of the appointment trying to talk to him about the ligament.

And every time I would speak he'd admonish me and try top force me to stop

talking.

>

> > So I stood up, said " looks like I'm s.o.l. with you. " and asked him if

he knew anyone who actually knew about ligaments, since he was clueless

(yes, I said that), and he said " you just have osteoporosis " and just walked

away. ...moron...lucky I didn't shove his baseball sized head thru the

wall...

>

> >

>

> > I have an appt with my pcp to find out wtf was wrong with that

orthopod and to read whatever stupid insanity he wrote down.

>

> >

>

> > Ok, so who would I see, what type of doc, for ligaments?

>

> > From what I've been told by the out of state guy, this is a quick fix

type of thing where they just clip off the ligament from the tip of the

offending bone. ...pruning shears anyone?

>

> >

>

> > Sam

>

> > (PNW great granny)

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[Guest guest]

No doubt just buying a bed by itself will Not cure anything thats a Major

problem, we all agree on that. However i think the Primary benefit and Intent

of buying a proper mattress is not just so that we can sleep soundly, but

Rather Much more importantly, your body is lying there on it for 8 or 10 hrs a

nite every single Nite.

Thats a very Powerful and influential force upon your entire physical structure

.. If you dont shape your enviornment than your Enviornment will shape you.

Thats an irrevocable Law of Physics. And an Old, worn out, mishapen mattress

will counteract and go against any type of Physical Therapy we're doing with

the overall intent to Correct Anatomical imbalances.

A New Mattress gives us a firm stable foundation for our entire Structure to

enhance and encourage proper alignment as we progress through whatever therapy

we're doing.

Just think how much time we spend over a year lying in bed, thats ALOT of

time your physical structure is either being compromised and Harmed or

correctly supported, its our choice.

Dave

>

> I'd say anything that improves your sleep also helps with the nasty triad

> of sleep deprivation, pain, and depression. No, a memory foam mattress

> won't cure your spinal problems, but it can help most folks with various back

> and leg pains sleep better, from what I'm seeing and hearing.

>

> Same thing with Skechers " shape up " shoes..I don't think my butt now looks

> like it did when I was 20, but it does cushion the shock of walking and

> that is another small but worth trying measure.

>

> Oh..on the list of " odd pains " ...now and then it feels as if someone put a

> water balloon filled with hot water in my hip pocket..then breaks it.

> Not painful, but very peculiar feeling of hot water spreading across the

> skin.

>

>

> In a message dated 1/14/2011 4:44:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> piggytails53@... writes:

>

> Yes, I have to agree with you on the bed. I purchased a memory foam

> mattress

> set and one of those auto/adjustable systems that raises/lowers feet/head

> and

> massages in different zones. It's helped me a lot. Mine fit inside my

> wooden

> bed frame (w/headboard & footboard). I can already feel it's helped me

> and is

> worth every penny. Not much more than a good, big name brand, reg

> mattress

> set. It has no springs and bugs cannot live, or breed, in one, something

> to do

> with the manufacturing of the memory foam, maybe a chemical used in

> it...or

> something. When I traveled home to CT in Oct I slept on reg mattresses

> for 9

> nights and oh, how my back was killing me! Neither mattress or adjustable

> frame

> are big brand names but are supportive and therapeutic. I got them at a

> chain

> mattress store here in FL called Mattress Giant, maybe they're nationwide,

> I

> have no idea.

>

>

>

>