Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Prolotherapy is very effective if done for the right reason (weakened ligaments, tendons and fascia) by a skilled practitioner. With 3 car accidents and 1 bike accident I have had multiple treatments to my back, neck, shoulders, wrists and 1 knee. All have been extremely helpful and have returned me to almost 100%! I have sent many patients and 2 family members in for prolo. Fortunately we have 2 excellent practitioners here in Southern Oregon, an Osteopath and an MD. It is very effective for what Chiros call hypermobility and should be used after reasonable courses of Chiro, manual therapies, rehab, acupuncture, etc. have reached MMI. jk M. Kalb MS DC The Wellness Chiropractor and Health Coach www.DrKalb.com 541.488.3001/888.488.3001 prolotherapy > http://www.prolotherapy.com/prolodefine.htm > > Who has experience with this protocol? > > J. Pedersen DC > > > > > OregonDCs rules: > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to > foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve > members will be tolerated. > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. > However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, > or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without > his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Re: Prolotherapy Both my husband and I had prolotherapy in 1997-98. It was very effective. See: http://www.ongleyonline.com/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Hi Joi, The best way to find a doctor who specializes in prolotherapy is to go to these 2 websites: American Association of Orthopedic Medicine get prolo.com The websites of the various doctors will have many links to articles on prolotherapy. I am still considering it. Anne **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 This website (it is a doctor's practice) has a lot of info on it. It reads a bit like an advertisement, but don't let that distract you. http://www.caringmedical.com/therapies/prolotherapy.asp You can also do a web search on some of the doctors from the getprolo site. My doc was on the ratemds.com website and only had good reviews. Plus I was able to email someone from this forum who had a good experience with my doc. I think it's worth doing. So far my knee pain has been reduced from my osteo visit which included prolotherapy. I go back next week, will keep you posted. Good luck! > > Where can I learn more about this? How would one find a doctor that does > this? > > > > Joi > > Gizmo, Max, Jazzy, Artemis, Maui > > <http://www.toolady.com/www/breeders/joyfulfeathers/index.html> > http://www.toolady.com/www/breeders/joyfulfeathers/index.html > > Member of the Pyrrhura Breeders Association - Not just for breeders! > <http://www.pyrrhurabreedersassociation.com> > www.pyrrhurabreedersassociation.com > > Member of the ASA > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hi Doug, I was wondering if you live in the NYC area would you privately e-mail the name of the prolotherapy doc who treated you. Thanks. Anne **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hi Joi: Anne and 's recommendations for prolotherapy information are great. The link for the American Association of Orthopaedic Medicine is here: http://www.aaomed.org/ There's a " Find a Doctor " link on the left side. Another good resource is: http://www.drreeves.com/ There is a link to a recent New York Times article there, as well as other articles and information. Feel free to e-mail if you have any questions. I first asked this group about prolotherapy about 7 years ago (see Post #1381 from July 21, 2001 for details) and have since been successfully treated with prolotherapy and have read and researched it pretty extensively. I've also sent about two-dozen friends, family members and group members (like who wrote to you) to the doctor who treated me. My point is, I really believe prolotherapy can be very helpful, regardless of what you believe is causing your knee pain. Take care, Doug > > > > Where can I learn more about this? How would one find a doctor that does > > this? > > > > > > > > Joi > > > > Gizmo, Max, Jazzy, Artemis, Maui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Anne: I live in Connecticut. My doc, Dr. Perretz, is in West Redding, CT. Info here: http://www.getprolo.com/perretz_prolotherapy.htm There are several docs in New York City who provide prolotherapy and similar treatments. I'm sure they are all very good, but I've never gone to see them, so I can't vouch for them personally. Dr. Perretz is great. In fact, just a few days ago I sent a friend who lives in Midtown to see Dr. Perretz for her back. She jokingly asked what airline flies to West Redding, CT. hahaha Long story short, she made the trip out to the 'burbs and is very happy she did. She's feeling alot better after only one session. He's a great doc and a great guy. Don't mean to " sell " you on Dr. Perretz, but I know he's great. The guys in NYC are probably just as good, but I can't say for sure. Feel free to e-mail me if you'd like to discuss any of this further (dougfromct2002@...). And don't get a cortisone shot!!! Take care, Doug > > Hi Doug, > > I was wondering if you live in the NYC area would you privately e- mail the > name of the prolotherapy doc who treated you. > > Thanks. > > Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Joi, Wow, it sounds painful enough without a full fall. Darn, that winter weather! I had the same thing happen. I thought I just sprained my thumb and then months later I found out I damaged a tendon in my foot. Good luck with the Specialist in Seattle. Let us know how it goes. Anne **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Thanks Anne. I’ve got an appointment with a specialist next week in Seattle. We’ll have to drive the 2 ½-3 hours to get there, but I’m hoping it’ll be worth it. One of my hips has gone bad and they say don’t do too much (to keep the hip pain down – might need a hip resurface), but I’m supposed to work my knees as much as possible. Talk about an oxymoron! Even while in water therapy, the knees were getting hot to the touch and I was told to lay off. This past winter, I slipped on some ice and almost went down on the sidewalk knees first! My right leg and knee were strong enough to catch me and prevent a total fall, but the left foot went to the outside while my knee went straight down. OUCH. Still hurts badly with a lot of sharp pain. Joi Gizmo, Max, Jazzy, Artemis, Maui <http://www.toolady.com/www/breeders/joyfulfeathers/index.html> http://www.toolady.com/www/breeders/joyfulfeathers/index.html Member of the Pyrrhura Breeders Association - Not just for breeders! <http://www.pyrrhurabreedersassociation.com> www.pyrrhurabreedersassociation.com Member of the ASA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Hi All, Well, I made the big plunge today. I have had a lingering problem with a tendon in my foot, so I thought prolo might help me. The doc (Dr. Greenberg in Cherry Hill, NJ) was awesome. He pinpointed my foot problem , as well as a weak spot in my medial meniscus and a tilted hip. The needles hurt a little but not too badly. We'll see how it goes. I was not expecting to do anything to the knee, but I went along with his recommendation. He also said he is looking into getting a machine from India that will grow cartilage. He first needs to get FDA approval, which can go fairly quickly for non-drug related items. There is so much out there in the horizon that should give us all hope. By the way, my dog's holistic vet. is starting to do prolo on dogs. The difficulty is that they have to undergo anaesthesia each time. I think this caan be a real non-starter for lots of dogs. Anne **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Anne, Would you mind telling me which tendon you did in your foot and your exeperience with Dr. Greenberg. I am thinking about prolotherapy for my S-I joint but I am still in the research stage of this. Did he inject your knee and hip as well? How many injections do you plan to do? Thanks, > > Hi All, > > Well, I made the big plunge today. I have had a lingering problem with a > tendon in my foot, so I thought prolo might help me. The doc (Dr. Greenberg in > Cherry Hill, NJ) was awesome. He pinpointed my foot problem , as well as a weak > spot in my medial meniscus and a tilted hip. The needles hurt a little but > not too badly. We'll see how it goes. I was not expecting to do anything to > the knee, but I went along with his recommendation. > > He also said he is looking into getting a machine from India that will grow > cartilage. He first needs to get FDA approval, which can go fairly quickly for > non-drug related items. There is so much out there in the horizon that > should give us all hope. > > By the way, my dog's holistic vet. is starting to do prolo on dogs. The > difficulty is that they have to undergo anaesthesia each time. I think this caan > be a real non-starter for lots of dogs. > > Anne > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 hi shelley, i'm pretty new to the group. have just been reading and learning posts so far. may i ask what problem you have with your si joint? mine seems to be chronically inflamed, but i haven't been diagnosed with anything. i have chalked it up to extra weight and not being consistent with stretching and exercise... thanx, heather b. shelleyblacksberg <shelleyblacksberg@...> wrote: Anne, Would you mind telling me which tendon you did in your foot and your exeperience with Dr. Greenberg. I am thinking about prolotherapy for my S-I joint but I am still in the research stage of this. Did he inject your knee and hip as well? How many injections do you plan to do? Thanks, > > Hi All, > > Well, I made the big plunge today. I have had a lingering problem with a > tendon in my foot, so I thought prolo might help me. The doc (Dr. Greenberg in > Cherry Hill, NJ) was awesome. He pinpointed my foot problem , as well as a weak > spot in my medial meniscus and a tilted hip. The needles hurt a little but > not too badly. We'll see how it goes. I was not expecting to do anything to > the knee, but I went along with his recommendation. > > He also said he is looking into getting a machine from India that will grow > cartilage. He first needs to get FDA approval, which can go fairly quickly for > non-drug related items. There is so much out there in the horizon that > should give us all hope. > > By the way, my dog's holistic vet. is starting to do prolo on dogs. The > difficulty is that they have to undergo anaesthesia each time. I think this caan > be a real non-starter for lots of dogs. > > Anne > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hi, I have had Rt S-I joint trouble that has been very slow to heal for the last year (various other lesser symptoms for years though). I wear a S-I joint belt all the time to help stablize me. My situation is complicated by my knee and ankle issues which are also not so great so I kinda have unstable blocks on top of other unstable blocks which is partly why I don't think it heals. I am interested in Prolotherapy but I am so sensitive and easy to set off I am very slowly considering it. I had read about Dr. Greenberg and would consider going to see him for an evaluation. One Dr. did send me for a sacrum CT which came back negative to evaluate my S-I joint. He feels I have lumbar involvement which is probably true but it is my rt S-I that is always a problem and mildly aches or more all the time. I have a great PT who has tried to put me back many times but it always goes shifts back to being rotated. Hope this helps. > > > > Hi All, > > > > Well, I made the big plunge today. I have had a lingering problem > with a > > tendon in my foot, so I thought prolo might help me. The doc (Dr. > Greenberg in > > Cherry Hill, NJ) was awesome. He pinpointed my foot problem , as > well as a weak > > spot in my medial meniscus and a tilted hip. The needles hurt a > little but > > not too badly. We'll see how it goes. I was not expecting to do > anything to > > the knee, but I went along with his recommendation. > > > > He also said he is looking into getting a machine from India that > will grow > > cartilage. He first needs to get FDA approval, which can go fairly > quickly for > > non-drug related items. There is so much out there in the horizon > that > > should give us all hope. > > > > By the way, my dog's holistic vet. is starting to do prolo on dogs. > The > > difficulty is that they have to undergo anaesthesia each time. I > think this caan > > be a real non-starter for lots of dogs. > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review? > ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hi , Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first set of injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set this coming week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have three bulging discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to (hopefully!) address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments without success - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic treatments, epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause inflammation at the injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then stimulates new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to strengthen the ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband received 90 injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that the whole treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the injections is an MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going to work for him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The doctor also had to make the solution stronger because of his size. We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my husband's pain, non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he is done with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. Carol from Long Grove In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mariconda_l@... writes: Hi Everyobody, Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with prolotherapy. I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It involves injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to help things like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input anyone might have. __________________________________________________________ Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at _http://ca.toolbar.http://ca._ (http://ca.toolbar../) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Carol, I would love to hear about your husband's progress with prolotherapy. Pls. keep me posted. How are you doing with your scoliosis - no need for prolotherapy? > > Hi , > Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first set of > injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set this coming > week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have three bulging > discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to (hopefully!) > address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments without success > - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic treatments, > epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. > The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause inflammation at the > injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then stimulates > new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to strengthen the > ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband received 90 > injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that the whole > treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the injections is an > MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going to work for > him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The doctor also had > to make the solution stronger because of his size. > We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my husband's pain, > non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he is done > with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. > Carol from Long Grove > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > mariconda_l@... writes: > > > > > Hi Everyobody, > Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with prolotherapy. > I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It involves > injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to help things > like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input anyone might > have. > > > __________________________________________________________ > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > _http://ca.toolbar.http://ca._ (http://ca.toolbar../) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review? ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dear , I will definitely keep you posted! I do not have a need for prolotherapy - I'm doing well, thank you. Through the years I have had four scoliosis surgeries. The last one was two 1/2 years ago, when my surgeon removed all of my hardware. I am now feeling better than I have in years, so I have no need for prolotherapy. I will let you know of my husband's progress - we are hopeful that he will see results soon! Carol In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:24:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mariconda_l@... writes: Dear Carol, I would love to hear about your husband's progress with prolotherapy. Pls. keep me posted. How are you doing with your scoliosis - no need for prolotherapy? --- In _Scoliosis Treatment@Scoliosis-MeSco_ (mailto:Scoliosis Treatment ) , carolkurt@.., ca > > Hi , > Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first set of > injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set this coming > week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have three bulging > discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to (hopefully!) > address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments without success > - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic treatments, > epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. > The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause inflammation at the > injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then stimulates > new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to strengthen the > ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband received 90 > injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that the whole > treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the injections is an > MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going to work for > him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The doctor also had > to make the solution stronger because of his size. > We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my husband's pain, > non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he is done > with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. > Carol from Long Grove > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > mariconda_l@ mariconda_ > > > > > Hi Everyobody, > Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with prolotherapy. > I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It involves > injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to help things > like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input anyone might > have. > > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > __http://ca.toolbar.http://ca.h_ (http://ca.toolbar.http://ca._) (_http://ca.toolbar.http://ca.h_ (http://ca.toolbar../) ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**Looking for a car that's sporty, fu your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (_http://autos.http://autos.http://autohttp://autohttp://autos._ (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?) ncid=aolaut00030000ncid=aolaut0 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 So did you have the screws removed as well? Prior to this hardware removal you were having pain? I had my 3rd and 4th surgery 6 months ago, a revision at L2-L4 and then fused from L5-S1. I'm living on pain meds because the longs screws into my pelvis are causing great pain. I went for a nerve block and the neuro doc said the screws were dangerously long. I'm planning on getting them removed in Nov, the soonest it's safe to do it. I'm hoping this will relieve the pain and hopefully finally get off the pain meds. Please tell me how it was for you. Re: Re: Prolotherapy Dear , I will definitely keep you posted! I do not have a need for prolotherapy - I'm doing well, thank you. Through the years I have had four scoliosis surgeries. The last one was two 1/2 years ago, when my surgeon removed all of my hardware. I am now feeling better than I have in years, so I have no need for prolotherapy. I will let you know of my husband's progress - we are hopeful that he will see results soon! Carol In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:24:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mariconda_l@ .ca writes: Dear Carol, I would love to hear about your husband's progress with prolotherapy. Pls. keep me posted. How are you doing with your scoliosis - no need for prolotherapy? --- In _Scoliosis Treatment@ Scoliosis- MeSco_ (mailto:Scoliosis Treatment) , carolkurt@.. , ca > > Hi , > Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first set of > injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set this coming > week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have three bulging > discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to (hopefully!) > address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments without success > - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic treatments, > epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. > The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause inflammation at the > injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then stimulates > new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to strengthen the > ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband received 90 > injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that the whole > treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the injections is an > MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going to work for > him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The doctor also had > to make the solution stronger because of his size. > We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my husband's pain, > non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he is done > with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. > Carol from Long Grove > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > mariconda_l@ mariconda_ > > > > > Hi Everyobody, > Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with prolotherapy. > I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It involves > injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to help things > like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input anyone might > have. > > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > __http://ca.toolbar. http://ca. h_ (http://ca.toolbar. http://ca. _) (_http://ca.toolbar. http://ca. h_ (http://ca.toolbar. . /) ) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I had actually had my screws removed several years prior to the rest of the hardware. I only lasted 16 months with the screws - they loosened up and were moving, and yes, they were extremely painful! I'm about 5 foot 2 inches, and my screws were 3 inches long. I had my surgeon give me all of my hardware, so I measured them! Believe me, I understand your pain. Once the screws were out, it did take a while for all the irritation/inflammation that the screws caused to die down. I hope this is helpful information for you - I wish you the best of luck! Carol In a message dated 8/17/2008 8:33:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, taknitlite@... writes: So did you have the screws removed as well? Prior to this hardware removal you were having pain? I had my 3rd and 4th surgery 6 months ago, a revision at L2-L4 and then fused from L5-S1. I'm living on pain meds because the longs screws into my pelvis are causing great pain. I went for a nerve block and the neuro doc said the screws were dangerously long. I'm planning on getting them removed in Nov, the soonest it's safe to do it. I'm hoping this will relieve the pain and hopefully finally get off the pain meds. Please tell me how it was for you. Re: Re: Prolotherapy Dear , I will definitely keep you posted! I do not have a need for prolotherapy - I'm doing well, thank you. Through the years I have had four scoliosis surgeries. The last one was two 1/2 years ago, when my surgeon removed all of my hardware. I am now feeling better than I have in years, so I have no need for prolotherapy. I will let you know of my husband's progress - we are hopeful that he will see results soon! Carol In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:24:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mariconda_l@ .ca writes: Dear Carol, I would love to hear about your husband's progress with prolotherapy. Pls. keep me posted. How are you doing with your scoliosis - no need for prolotherapy? --- In _Scoliosis Treatment@ Scoliosis- MeSco_ (mailto:Scoliosis-(mailto:Scoliosis-<WBR>Medical@ groups. c > > Hi , > Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first set of > injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set this coming > week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have three bulging > discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to (hopefully!) > address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments without success > - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic treatments, > epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. > The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause inflammation at the > injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then stimulates > new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to strengthen the > ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband received 90 > injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that the whole > treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the injections is an > MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going to work for > him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The doctor also had > to make the solution stronger because of his size. > We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my husband's pain, > non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he is done > with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. > Carol from Long Grove > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > mariconda_l@ mariconda_ > > > > > Hi Everyobody, > Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with prolotherapy. > I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It involves > injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to help things > like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input anyone might > have. > > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. 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Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Lida, No, I don't agree that my screws loosening was a matter of poor appraisal by my surgeon. My screws started loosening after I went to physical therapy. The physical therapist did exercises with me that he should never have done, and that's when my problems started. I trusted that this therapist understood the physiology of the fused spine, along with all the hardware issues. That was not the case. I have since approached the subject of physical therapy and exercise with a great deal of caution. Just wanted to set the record straight! Carol In a message dated 8/19/2008 7:04:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, lidakraz@... writes: Carol, It makes you wonder what your original surgeons were thinking of! They are supposed to take account of screws loosening a bit and therefore projecting into surrounding tissue. That's poor appraisal. Lida Re: Re: Prolotherapy I had actually had my screws removed several years prior to the rest of the hardware. I only lasted 16 months with the screws - they loosened up and were moving, and yes, they were extremely painful! I'm about 5 foot 2 inches, and my screws were 3 inches long. I had my surgeon give me all of my hardware, so I measured them! Believe me, I understand your pain. Once the screws were out, it did take a while for all the irritation/inflammawere out, it screws caused to die down. I hope this is helpful information for you - I wish you the best of luck! Carol Recent Activity * 8 New <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whtt_ (Scoliosis Treatment/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMm8yMj) M3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzM3BF9TAzk xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAxrA3ZtYnJzBHN0a> Members Visit <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://grhttp://groups.<Whttp://gro_ (Scoliosis Treatment;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbDhyMDh0BF9TAz) k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAk3MzU5NzE0BGdycEk3MzU5NzE0BGdycEk3MzU5NzE0BGdycEk3MzU5NzE AEc3RpbWUDMTIxOTEwNAEc3Rpb> Your Group Health Healthy <_http://us.ard.http://us.http://us.ard.http://ushttp://ushttp://ushttp://us._ (http://us.ard./SIG=13re3qi63/M=493064.12016303.12582636.9706571/D=) grphealth/S=grphealth/Sgrphealth/Sgrphealth/S=<WBgrphealth/S=<WBgrphealth/S= 942074296/A=942074296/942074296/A=<WBR9_http://health.http://heahttp://health_ (http://health./aging-overvie) w/healthy-aging/w/healthy-aw/healthy-ag> Aging Improve your quality of life. Meditation and Lovingkindness <_http://us.ard.http://us.http://us.ard.http://ushttp://ushttp://ushttp://us._ (http://us.ard./SIG=13rjcscf6/M=493064. 12016231.12582634.9706571/D=) grphealth/S=grphealth/Sgrphealth/Sgrphealth/S=<WBgrphealth/S=<WBgrphealth/S= 942074296/A=942074296/942074296/A=<WBR9_http://new.groups.http://newhttp://ne_ (http://new./giftoflov) ingkindness> A Group to share and learn. Food Lovers Real <_http://us.ard.http://us.http://us.ard.http://ushttp://ushttp://ushttp://us._ (http://us.ard./SIG=13r1g5hht/M=493064.12016243.13036160.8674578/D=) grphealth/S=grphealth/Sgrphealth/Sgrphealth/S=<WBgrphealth/S=<WBgrphealth/S= 942074296/A=942074296/942074296/A=<WBR9_http://advision.http://advhttp://advh_ (http://advision.webevents./h) ellmanns/> Food Group on find out more. .. <_http://geo..http://gehttp://geo.http://geo.yahhttp://geo.http://g_ (http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=2075894/grpspId=1705094709/msgId) =8673/stime==8673/stime=8673/stime==8673/stime==8673/stime> __________ NOD32 3365 (20080818) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. _http://www.eset.htt_ (http://www.eset.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Carol, Do you know specifically what the P.T. had you do that loosened the screws? Jolene **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 That's such a relief to hear. I'm tall but still the screws are really long looking and I can tell that the pains are related to the location of the screws. Surgeon says we have to wait until 9 months have passed but now that you've said you had the same issue and you got relief, I feel much better. Sometimes it seems like it's just one thing after another after another...first its the broken rods, then the screws. Hopefully this will be the end of it. Thanks for the uplifting reply. Re: Re: Prolotherapy Dear , I will definitely keep you posted! I do not have a need for prolotherapy - I'm doing well, thank you. Through the years I have had four scoliosis surgeries. The last one was two 1/2 years ago, when my surgeon removed all of my hardware. I am now feeling better than I have in years, so I have no need for prolotherapy. I will let you know of my husband's progress - we are hopeful that he will see results soon! Carol In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:24:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mariconda_l@ .ca writes: Dear Carol, I would love to hear about your husband's progress with prolotherapy. Pls. keep me posted. How are you doing with your scoliosis - no need for prolotherapy? --- In _Scoliosis Treatment@ Scoliosis- MeSco_ (mailto:Scoliosis- (mailto:Scoliosi s-<WBR>Medical@ groups. c > > Hi , > Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first set of > injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set this coming > week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have three bulging > discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to (hopefully!) > address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments without success > - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic treatments, > epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. > The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause inflammation at the > injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then stimulates > new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to strengthen the > ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband received 90 > injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that the whole > treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the injections is an > MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going to work for > him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The doctor also had > to make the solution stronger because of his size. > We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my husband's pain, > non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he is done > with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. > Carol from Long Grove > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > mariconda_l@ mariconda_ > > > > > Hi Everyobody, > Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with prolotherapy. > I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It involves > injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to help things > like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input anyone might > have. > > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > ___http://ca.toolbar. _ (http://ca.toolbar. /) _http://ca._ (http://ca./) h_ (_http://ca.toolbar. _ (http://ca.toolbar. /) _http://ca._ (http://ca./) _) (__http://ca.toolbar. _ (http://ca.toolbar. /) _http://ca._ (http://ca./) h_ (_http://ca.toolbar. _ (http://ca.toolbar. /) . /) ) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Hi Jolene, Yes, I do know the PT exercise that I believe loosened my screws. I laid on my stomach, and the therapist took my legs and bent them to my back as far as they would go. This was supposed to stretch my quads. He also had me do this exercise at home, so it was done repeatedly. Carol In a message dated 8/20/2008 1:59:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Buttonjo@... writes: Carol, Do you know specifically what the P.T. had you do that loosened the screws? Jolene ************************<WBR>**It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. deal here. (_http://information.http://infohttp://infhttp://informatihttp://in_ (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 You are very welcome. And I do know how you feel - if anyone would have told me I would wind up having four scoliosis surgeries, I would have thought they were crazy! I hope your screw removal is the end for you! Carol In a message dated 8/20/2008 8:12:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, taknitlite@... writes: That's such a relief to hear. I'm tall but still the screws are really long looking and I can tell that the pains are related to the location of the screws. Surgeon says we have to wait until 9 months have passed but now that you've said you had the same issue and you got relief, I feel much better. Sometimes it seems like it's just one thing after another after another...first its the broken rods, then the screws. Hopefully this will be the end of it. Thanks for the uplifting reply. Re: Re: Prolotherapy Dear , I will definitely keep you posted! I do not have a need for prolotherapy - I'm doing well, thank you. Through the years I have had four scoliosis surgeries. The last one was two 1/2 years ago, when my surgeon removed all of my hardware. I am now feeling better than I have in years, so I have no need for prolotherapy. I will let you know of my husband's progress - we are hopeful that he will see results soon! Carol In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:24:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mariconda_l@ .ca writes: Dear Carol, I would love to hear about your husband's progress with prolotherapy. Pls. keep me posted. How are you doing with your scoliosis - no need for prolotherapy? --- In _Scoliosis Treatment@ Scoliosis- MeSco_ (mailto:Scoliosis- (mailto:Scoliosi s-<WBR>Medical@ groups. c > > Hi , > Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first set of > injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set this coming > week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have three bulging > discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to (hopefully!) > address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments without success > - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic treatments, > epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. > The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause inflammation at the > injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then stimulates > new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to strengthen the > ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband received 90 > injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that the whole > treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the injections is an > MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going to work for > him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The doctor also had > to make the solution stronger because of his size. > We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my husband's pain, > non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he is done > with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. > Carol from Long Grove > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > mariconda_l@ mariconda_ > > > > > Hi Everyobody, > Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with prolotherapy. > I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It involves > injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to help things > like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input anyone might > have. > > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > ____http://ca.toolbar._ (http://ca.toolbar./) _ (_http://ca.toolbar._ (http://ca.toolbar./) /) __http://ca.__ (http://ca._/) (_http://ca./_ (http://ca./) ) h_ (__http://ca.toolbar._ (http://ca.toolbar./) _ (_http://ca.toolbar._ (http://ca.toolbar./) /) __http://ca.__ (http://ca._/) (_http://ca./_ (http://ca./) ) _) (___http://ca.toolbar._ (http://ca.toolbar./) _ (_http://ca.toolbar._ (http://ca.toolbar./) /) __http://ca.__ (http://ca._/) (_http://ca./_ (http://ca./) ) h_ (__http://ca.toolbar._ (http://ca.toolbar./) _ (_http://ca.toolbar._ (http://ca.toolbar./) /) . /) ) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Hi Carol, I'm curious to know more of the details of your scoliosis/surgery. How old were you when you had the surgery? How much of your spine is fused? Do you live in the States/Canada/elsewhere? With subsequent surgeries, as you have had, what does that mean in terms of scar tissue? Do they reopen a person along an existing scar if they have to go into the same area? And would that heal as well as if they were making an opening into non-scar tissue? With regard to your husband and his back trouble, has he tried spinal decompression? If not, that might be a consideration IF the prolotherapy doesn't do the job. Best regards, -- In Scoliosis Treatment , carolkurt@... wrote: > > Dear , > I will definitely keep you posted! I do not have a need for prolotherapy - > I'm doing well, thank you. Through the years I have had four scoliosis > surgeries. The last one was two 1/2 years ago, when my surgeon removed all of my > hardware. I am now feeling better than I have in years, so I have no need > for prolotherapy. > I will let you know of my husband's progress - we are hopeful that he will > see results soon! > Carol > > > In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:24:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mariconda_l@... writes: > > > > > Dear Carol, > I would love to hear about your husband's progress with > prolotherapy. Pls. keep me posted. How are you doing with your > scoliosis - no need for prolotherapy? > > > --- In _Scoliosis Treatment@Scoliosis-MeSco_ > (mailto:Scoliosis Treatment ) , carolkurt@, ca > > > > Hi , > > Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first > set of > > injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set > this coming > > week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have > three bulging > > discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to > (hopefully!) > > address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments > without success > > - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic > treatments, > > epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. > > The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause > inflammation at the > > injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then > stimulates > > new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to > strengthen the > > ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband > received 90 > > injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that > the whole > > treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the > injections is an > > MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going > to work for > > him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The > doctor also had > > to make the solution stronger because of his size. > > We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my > husband's pain, > > non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he > is done > > with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. > > Carol from Long Grove > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > mariconda_l@ mariconda_ > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyobody, > > Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with > prolotherapy. > > I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It > involves > > injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to > help things > > like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input > anyone might > > have. > > > > > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ > > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and > bookmark your > > favourite sites. Download it now at > > __http://ca.toolbar.http://ca.h_ (http://ca.toolbar.http://ca._) > (_http://ca.toolbar.http://ca.h_ (http://ca.toolbar../) ) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**Looking for a car that's sporty, fu > your budget? > > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (_http://autos.http://autos.http://autohttp://autohttp://autos._ > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?) > ncid=aolaut00030000ncid=aolaut0 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review? ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 I've had 4 surgeries and had the 3 that were posterior they reopened the previous cut. My lowest part of my back, the scar is wider now. And also I was told that I've developed osteoarthritis down there because of all the surgeries. So I guess my bones are softened. But I healed just fine. I had my 1st at 46 and my last 6 mths ago at 50. > > Dear , > I will definitely keep you posted! I do not have a need for prolotherapy - > I'm doing well, thank you. Through the years I have had four scoliosis > surgeries. The last one was two 1/2 years ago, when my surgeon removed all of my > hardware. I am now feeling better than I have in years, so I have no need > for prolotherapy. > I will let you know of my husband's progress - we are hopeful that he will > see results soon! > Carol > > > In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:24:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mariconda_l@ ... writes: > > > > > Dear Carol, > I would love to hear about your husband's progress with > prolotherapy. Pls. keep me posted. How are you doing with your > scoliosis - no need for prolotherapy? > > > --- In _Scoliosis Treatment@ Scoliosis- MeSco_ > (mailto:Scoliosis Treatment) , carolkurt@, ca > > > > Hi , > > Funny you should ask about prolotherapy - my husband had his first > set of > > injections two weeks ago. We are going back for the second set > this coming > > week. My husband does not have scoliosis - I do. He does have > three bulging > > discs, however, and that is what the prolotherapy is going to > (hopefully!) > > address. My husband has tried many different types of treatments > without success > > - medication, physical therapy, chiropractic and naprapathic > treatments, > > epidurals. Nothing gave more than very temporary relief. > > The purpose of the prolotherapy injections is to cause > inflammation at the > > injection sites. The inflammatory response to the injections then > stimulates > > new collagen growth. The new collagen growth is supposed to > strengthen the > > ligaments and tendons surrounding the injured area. My husband > received 90 > > injections! Yes, you read that correctly. The good news is that > the whole > > treatment only takes about five minutes. The doctor who did the > injections is an > > MD. So far, it is too early to tell if the treatments are going > to work for > > him. He will need 3-7 treatments, as he is a big man. The > doctor also had > > to make the solution stronger because of his size. > > We are very hopeful that this treatment will finally end my > husband's pain, > > non-surgically. If you are interested, I will post again when he > is done > > with the treatments and let you know if they were successful. > > Carol from Long Grove > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:11:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > mariconda_l@ mariconda_ > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyobody, > > Just wondering if anyone on this group has any experience with > prolotherapy. > > I don't know too much about it yet, as I just discovered it. It > involves > > injections of a non-pharmaceutical solution and is supposed to > help things > > like DDD, amongst other things. Thanks in advance for any input > anyone might > > have. > > > > > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ > > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and > bookmark your > > favourite sites. Download it now at > > __http://ca.toolbar. http://ca. h_ (http://ca.toolbar. http://ca. _) > (_http://ca.toolbar. http://ca. h_ (http://ca.toolbar. . /) ) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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