Guest guest Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Where do you need one? There is a MD that only does Prolotherpay for many years here in Ashland. Does it work, it says it works and has been around for 40 years. Did it work on some of the people that said they had it done, well everyone I asked said "I don't know". Wiese DC From: Cluen <gcluen2002@...>Subject: Prolotherapy Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:43 PM Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Hi , I originally sent everyone to Marty Milner, ND. Later Noel , ND here in Lake Oswego started doing it. Neither are shy about charging orthopedist level fees and insurance doesn’t cover it so I warn the patients about that. I have tried sending DJD hips for injections to restore cartilage. I might have sent people who were “too far gone” for treatment to work so results were poor. It’s important to know that prolo is designed to irritate the crap out of tissues, stimulating tissue regeneration and reducing laxity; pain relief doesn’t seem to be in the mix. I have heard that procaine or some caine is added to the mix for pain relief which would obviously diminish splinting hypertonicity which would aggravate joint tissues. I know they do spinal injections and I sent a severe whiplash patient out for injections. He was having relentless headaches which weren’t responding to care, seems to be hypermobile on lateral bending C1-C2 x-rays. (I got Tyrone in a hammerlock on the phone and he conceded that while alar ligament laxity may demonstrate the severity of a whiplash, intractable pain may be from damaged adjacent structures like a square yard of meninges wrapping the area). My reasoning for prolo was to tighten the laxity in the upper cervical spine, the constant sloppy movement of which might have been causing daily re-injury or aggravation of the soft tissues. No, they don’t inject the alar ligaments but I reasoned that tighter adjacent supportive structures might give the deeper structures a break. (I did try to have him strengthen his c-spine with a halo weight device I had designed; no joy.) The second treatment of prolo, I asked the ND to inject analgesics in his suboccipitals, splenius, etc. and whatever she could find to anesthetize to give him a break. I don’t like the idea of injecting trigger points but I was unable to affect them with TLC, Nimmo, rubbing, etc. The second injection for this guy severely worsened his cervical muscle spasms, head pain, ear ringing and fullness- we’re talking gnarly pain all the time. This is the most relentless whiplash I’ve ever treated. Prolotherapy makes sense and is very popular. I have yet to have a patient report positive results. Perhaps Ted can let us know how many of his elite athletes like it. I’d like to hear other people’s opinions from referrals they’ve made. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Still learning in Lake Oswego Do not imagine that the journey is short; and one must have the heart of a lion to follow this unusual road, for it is very long. One plods along in a state of amazement, sometimes smiling, sometimes weeping.” Farid ud-Din Attar, The conference of the Birds: A Sufi Fable On 9/10/09 2:43 PM, " Cluen " <gcluen2002@...> wrote: Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Hi , I originally sent everyone to Marty Milner, ND. Later Noel , ND here in Lake Oswego started doing it. Neither are shy about charging orthopedist level fees and insurance doesn’t cover it so I warn the patients about that. I have tried sending DJD hips for injections to restore cartilage. I might have sent people who were “too far gone” for treatment to work so results were poor. It’s important to know that prolo is designed to irritate the crap out of tissues, stimulating tissue regeneration and reducing laxity; pain relief doesn’t seem to be in the mix. I have heard that procaine or some caine is added to the mix for pain relief which would obviously diminish splinting hypertonicity which would aggravate joint tissues. I know they do spinal injections and I sent a severe whiplash patient out for injections. He was having relentless headaches which weren’t responding to care, seems to be hypermobile on lateral bending C1-C2 x-rays. (I got Tyrone in a hammerlock on the phone and he conceded that while alar ligament laxity may demonstrate the severity of a whiplash, intractable pain may be from damaged adjacent structures like a square yard of meninges wrapping the area). My reasoning for prolo was to tighten the laxity in the upper cervical spine, the constant sloppy movement of which might have been causing daily re-injury or aggravation of the soft tissues. No, they don’t inject the alar ligaments but I reasoned that tighter adjacent supportive structures might give the deeper structures a break. (I did try to have him strengthen his c-spine with a halo weight device I had designed; no joy.) The second treatment of prolo, I asked the ND to inject analgesics in his suboccipitals, splenius, etc. and whatever she could find to anesthetize to give him a break. I don’t like the idea of injecting trigger points but I was unable to affect them with TLC, Nimmo, rubbing, etc. The second injection for this guy severely worsened his cervical muscle spasms, head pain, ear ringing and fullness- we’re talking gnarly pain all the time. This is the most relentless whiplash I’ve ever treated. Prolotherapy makes sense and is very popular. I have yet to have a patient report positive results. Perhaps Ted can let us know how many of his elite athletes like it. I’d like to hear other people’s opinions from referrals they’ve made. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Still learning in Lake Oswego Do not imagine that the journey is short; and one must have the heart of a lion to follow this unusual road, for it is very long. One plods along in a state of amazement, sometimes smiling, sometimes weeping.” Farid ud-Din Attar, The conference of the Birds: A Sufi Fable On 9/10/09 2:43 PM, " Cluen " <gcluen2002@...> wrote: Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 , For the most part we have had good success with our patients with prolo. However I only use prolo for tendonopathies and ligamentous instabilities, not DJD. Most of the sites I refer for are extremities or SI. I did send a pro golfer for cervical prolo, but because of tour travel we had a did person doing the injections each weak. As you could imaging the results weren’t great. Ted Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP '08 US Olympic Team Chiropractor ACA Sports Council, President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of drscott@... Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:20 PM Cluen; or Subject: Re: Prolotherapy Hi , I originally sent everyone to Marty Milner, ND. Later Noel , ND here in Lake Oswego started doing it. Neither are shy about charging orthopedist level fees and insurance doesn’t cover it so I warn the patients about that. I have tried sending DJD hips for injections to restore cartilage. I might have sent people who were “too far gone” for treatment to work so results were poor. It’s important to know that prolo is designed to irritate the crap out of tissues, stimulating tissue regeneration and reducing laxity; pain relief doesn’t seem to be in the mix. I have heard that procaine or some caine is added to the mix for pain relief which would obviously diminish splinting hypertonicity which would aggravate joint tissues. I know they do spinal injections and I sent a severe whiplash patient out for injections. He was having relentless headaches which weren’t responding to care, seems to be hypermobile on lateral bending C1-C2 x-rays. (I got Tyrone in a hammerlock on the phone and he conceded that while alar ligament laxity may demonstrate the severity of a whiplash, intractable pain may be from damaged adjacent structures like a square yard of meninges wrapping the area). My reasoning for prolo was to tighten the laxity in the upper cervical spine, the constant sloppy movement of which might have been causing daily re-injury or aggravation of the soft tissues. No, they don’t inject the alar ligaments but I reasoned that tighter adjacent supportive structures might give the deeper structures a break. (I did try to have him strengthen his c-spine with a halo weight device I had designed; no joy.) The second treatment of prolo, I asked the ND to inject analgesics in his suboccipitals, splenius, etc. and whatever she could find to anesthetize to give him a break. I don’t like the idea of injecting trigger points but I was unable to affect them with TLC, Nimmo, rubbing, etc. The second injection for this guy severely worsened his cervical muscle spasms, head pain, ear ringing and fullness- we’re talking gnarly pain all the time. This is the most relentless whiplash I’ve ever treated. Prolotherapy makes sense and is very popular. I have yet to have a patient report positive results. Perhaps Ted can let us know how many of his elite athletes like it. I’d like to hear other people’s opinions from referrals they’ve made. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Still learning in Lake Oswego Do not imagine that the journey is short; and one must have the heart of a lion to follow this unusual road, for it is very long. One plods along in a state of amazement, sometimes smiling, sometimes weeping.” Farid ud-Din Attar, The conference of the Birds: A Sufi Fable On 9/10/09 2:43 PM, " Cluen " <gcluen2002 > wrote: Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 , For the most part we have had good success with our patients with prolo. However I only use prolo for tendonopathies and ligamentous instabilities, not DJD. Most of the sites I refer for are extremities or SI. I did send a pro golfer for cervical prolo, but because of tour travel we had a did person doing the injections each weak. As you could imaging the results weren’t great. Ted Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP '08 US Olympic Team Chiropractor ACA Sports Council, President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of drscott@... Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:20 PM Cluen; or Subject: Re: Prolotherapy Hi , I originally sent everyone to Marty Milner, ND. Later Noel , ND here in Lake Oswego started doing it. Neither are shy about charging orthopedist level fees and insurance doesn’t cover it so I warn the patients about that. I have tried sending DJD hips for injections to restore cartilage. I might have sent people who were “too far gone” for treatment to work so results were poor. It’s important to know that prolo is designed to irritate the crap out of tissues, stimulating tissue regeneration and reducing laxity; pain relief doesn’t seem to be in the mix. I have heard that procaine or some caine is added to the mix for pain relief which would obviously diminish splinting hypertonicity which would aggravate joint tissues. I know they do spinal injections and I sent a severe whiplash patient out for injections. He was having relentless headaches which weren’t responding to care, seems to be hypermobile on lateral bending C1-C2 x-rays. (I got Tyrone in a hammerlock on the phone and he conceded that while alar ligament laxity may demonstrate the severity of a whiplash, intractable pain may be from damaged adjacent structures like a square yard of meninges wrapping the area). My reasoning for prolo was to tighten the laxity in the upper cervical spine, the constant sloppy movement of which might have been causing daily re-injury or aggravation of the soft tissues. No, they don’t inject the alar ligaments but I reasoned that tighter adjacent supportive structures might give the deeper structures a break. (I did try to have him strengthen his c-spine with a halo weight device I had designed; no joy.) The second treatment of prolo, I asked the ND to inject analgesics in his suboccipitals, splenius, etc. and whatever she could find to anesthetize to give him a break. I don’t like the idea of injecting trigger points but I was unable to affect them with TLC, Nimmo, rubbing, etc. The second injection for this guy severely worsened his cervical muscle spasms, head pain, ear ringing and fullness- we’re talking gnarly pain all the time. This is the most relentless whiplash I’ve ever treated. Prolotherapy makes sense and is very popular. I have yet to have a patient report positive results. Perhaps Ted can let us know how many of his elite athletes like it. I’d like to hear other people’s opinions from referrals they’ve made. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Still learning in Lake Oswego Do not imagine that the journey is short; and one must have the heart of a lion to follow this unusual road, for it is very long. One plods along in a state of amazement, sometimes smiling, sometimes weeping.” Farid ud-Din Attar, The conference of the Birds: A Sufi Fable On 9/10/09 2:43 PM, " Cluen " <gcluen2002 > wrote: Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 My patients have had good success with it. Some insurance companies (some BCBS plans) actually do pay for it and PIP does cover it, as well. I usually send patients to Milroy, ND, DC in Hubbard. Barrett Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009  Milroy is I have used as well....Vern Saboe Re: Prolotherapy My patients have had good success with it. Some insurance companies (some BCBS plans) actually do pay for it and PIP does cover it, as well. I usually send patients to Milroy, ND, DC in Hubbard. Barrett Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Could you post a phone # please? SunnySunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834 gcluen2002@...; ; drscott@...; kellybpdx@...CC: dramyhoffman@...From: vsaboe@...Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:53:29 -0700Subject: Re: Prolotherapy  Milroy is I have used as well....Vern Saboe Re: Prolotherapy My patients have had good success with it. Some insurance companies (some BCBS plans) actually do pay for it and PIP does cover it, as well. I usually send patients to Milroy, ND, DC in Hubbard. Barrett Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009  I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to expose a patient to the highly uncomfortable sequela of prolo therapy injections in order to create some sort of stability. Especially in the Cervical spine. OUCH. I believe it's intention and where i personally and professionally have experienced Wonderful results are with conditions involving chronic irritation of a tendon or ligament i.e. tendonitis. The irritation in fact creates a blood supply via mass inflammation for a tendon that has inherently a poor blood supply. Similar to the ol "mallet therapy". ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 Re: Prolotherapy My patients have had good success with it. Some insurance companies (some BCBS plans) actually do pay for it and PIP does cover it, as well. I usually send patients to Milroy, ND, DC in Hubbard. Barrett Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Following Occam's Razor, my clinical experience with hypertonic human joints, as well as hypotonic kinesis, is the result of tonic soft tissues exerting compelling forces on the involved joints. What is not reachable and treatable by manual therapies can be resolved by patients over time with a focused deep NS relaxation protocol, resting daily in aligned, open-chain postures, working critical angles of the full spine, with focus on the inner tensions intending targeted release. Much of the tonicity is from NS centralization compensations which require NS rehab. Adding more tonicity to involved tissue areas, particularly the C-spine, works against this clinical experience. Sears, DC, IAYT2609 NW ThurmanPortland, Oregon 97210v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Sep 10, 2009, at 10:20 PM, drscott@... wrote: Hi , I originally sent everyone to Marty Milner, ND. Later Noel , ND here in Lake Oswego started doing it. Neither are shy about charging orthopedist level fees and insurance doesn’t cover it so I warn the patients about that. I have tried sending DJD hips for injections to restore cartilage. I might have sent people who were “too far gone” for treatment to work so results were poor. It’s important to know that prolo is designed to irritate the crap out of tissues, stimulating tissue regeneration and reducing laxity; pain relief doesn’t seem to be in the mix. I have heard that procaine or some caine is added to the mix for pain relief which would obviously diminish splinting hypertonicity which would aggravate joint tissues. I know they do spinal injections and I sent a severe whiplash patient out for injections. He was having relentless headaches which weren’t responding to care, seems to be hypermobile on lateral bending C1-C2 x-rays. (I got Tyrone in a hammerlock on the phone and he conceded that while alar ligament laxity may demonstrate the severity of a whiplash, intractable pain may be from damaged adjacent structures like a square yard of meninges wrapping the area). My reasoning for prolo was to tighten the laxity in the upper cervical spine, the constant sloppy movement of which might have been causing daily re-injury or aggravation of the soft tissues. No, they don’t inject the alar ligaments but I reasoned that tighter adjacent supportive structures might give the deeper structures a break. (I did try to have him strengthen his c-spine with a halo weight device I had designed; no joy.) The second treatment of prolo, I asked the ND to inject analgesics in his suboccipitals, splenius, etc. and whatever she could find to anesthetize to give him a break. I don’t like the idea of injecting trigger points but I was unable to affect them with TLC, Nimmo, rubbing, etc. The second injection for this guy severely worsened his cervical muscle spasms, head pain, ear ringing and fullness- we’re talking gnarly pain all the time. This is the most relentless whiplash I’ve ever treated. Prolotherapy makes sense and is very popular. I have yet to have a patient report positive results. Perhaps Ted can let us know how many of his elite athletes like it. I’d like to hear other people’s opinions from referrals they’ve made. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Still learning in Lake Oswego Do not imagine that the journey is short; and one must have the heart of a lion to follow this unusual road, for it is very long. One plods along in a state of amazement, sometimes smiling, sometimes weeping.” Farid ud-Din Attar, The conference of the Birds: A Sufi Fable On 9/10/09 2:43 PM, " Cluen" <gcluen2002 > wrote: Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Following Occam's Razor, my clinical experience with hypertonic human joints, as well as hypotonic kinesis, is the result of tonic soft tissues exerting compelling forces on the involved joints. What is not reachable and treatable by manual therapies can be resolved by patients over time with a focused deep NS relaxation protocol, resting daily in aligned, open-chain postures, working critical angles of the full spine, with focus on the inner tensions intending targeted release. Much of the tonicity is from NS centralization compensations which require NS rehab. Adding more tonicity to involved tissue areas, particularly the C-spine, works against this clinical experience. Sears, DC, IAYT2609 NW ThurmanPortland, Oregon 97210v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Sep 10, 2009, at 10:20 PM, drscott@... wrote: Hi , I originally sent everyone to Marty Milner, ND. Later Noel , ND here in Lake Oswego started doing it. Neither are shy about charging orthopedist level fees and insurance doesn’t cover it so I warn the patients about that. I have tried sending DJD hips for injections to restore cartilage. I might have sent people who were “too far gone” for treatment to work so results were poor. It’s important to know that prolo is designed to irritate the crap out of tissues, stimulating tissue regeneration and reducing laxity; pain relief doesn’t seem to be in the mix. I have heard that procaine or some caine is added to the mix for pain relief which would obviously diminish splinting hypertonicity which would aggravate joint tissues. I know they do spinal injections and I sent a severe whiplash patient out for injections. He was having relentless headaches which weren’t responding to care, seems to be hypermobile on lateral bending C1-C2 x-rays. (I got Tyrone in a hammerlock on the phone and he conceded that while alar ligament laxity may demonstrate the severity of a whiplash, intractable pain may be from damaged adjacent structures like a square yard of meninges wrapping the area). My reasoning for prolo was to tighten the laxity in the upper cervical spine, the constant sloppy movement of which might have been causing daily re-injury or aggravation of the soft tissues. No, they don’t inject the alar ligaments but I reasoned that tighter adjacent supportive structures might give the deeper structures a break. (I did try to have him strengthen his c-spine with a halo weight device I had designed; no joy.) The second treatment of prolo, I asked the ND to inject analgesics in his suboccipitals, splenius, etc. and whatever she could find to anesthetize to give him a break. I don’t like the idea of injecting trigger points but I was unable to affect them with TLC, Nimmo, rubbing, etc. The second injection for this guy severely worsened his cervical muscle spasms, head pain, ear ringing and fullness- we’re talking gnarly pain all the time. This is the most relentless whiplash I’ve ever treated. Prolotherapy makes sense and is very popular. I have yet to have a patient report positive results. Perhaps Ted can let us know how many of his elite athletes like it. I’d like to hear other people’s opinions from referrals they’ve made. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Still learning in Lake Oswego Do not imagine that the journey is short; and one must have the heart of a lion to follow this unusual road, for it is very long. One plods along in a state of amazement, sometimes smiling, sometimes weeping.” Farid ud-Din Attar, The conference of the Birds: A Sufi Fable On 9/10/09 2:43 PM, " Cluen" <gcluen2002 > wrote: Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? Thanks, Cluen, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I have used 2 prolotherapy docs now for upwards of 10 years and never had sequelae from the prolo either in the c spine or other spinal ligaments. In fact, the increased stability gained from the procedure helps a lot with unstable segments. The place that needs being careful is being sure that the subluxation we are fixing is not a hypermobile compensation for an asymptomatic real mechanical sublux elsewhere. Meaning don't chase symptoms with adjustments but rather find the primary sublux, adjust it and then leave it alone. My wife is a perfect example of needing prolo in the c spine and it was after an MVA that created an unfixable instability. It worked great and has on many other patients. Colwell , DC joe medlin wrote: > > ? > > I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to expose a patient to the highly > uncomfortable sequela of prolo therapy injections in order to create > some sort of stability. Especially in the Cervical spine. OUCH. I > believe it's intention and where i personally and professionally have > experienced Wonderful results are with conditions involving chronic > irritation of a tendon or ligament i.e. tendonitis. The irritation in > fact creates a blood supply via mass inflammation for a tendon that > has inherently a poor blood supply. Similar to the ol " mallet therapy " . > ph Medlin D.C. > Spine Tree Chiropractic > 1607 NE Alberta St > PDX, OR 97211 > 503-788-6800 > > * Re: Prolotherapy > > My patients have had good success with it. Some insurance > companies (some BCBS plans) actually do pay for it and PIP > does cover it, as well. I usually send patients to > Milroy, ND, DC in Hubbard. > > Barrett > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? > Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? > > Thanks, > > Cluen, DC > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing > now. > <http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB & publ=WLHMTAG & crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSc\ hool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.91/2363 - Release Date: 09/11/09 09:15:00 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I have used 2 prolotherapy docs now for upwards of 10 years and never had sequelae from the prolo either in the c spine or other spinal ligaments. In fact, the increased stability gained from the procedure helps a lot with unstable segments. The place that needs being careful is being sure that the subluxation we are fixing is not a hypermobile compensation for an asymptomatic real mechanical sublux elsewhere. Meaning don't chase symptoms with adjustments but rather find the primary sublux, adjust it and then leave it alone. My wife is a perfect example of needing prolo in the c spine and it was after an MVA that created an unfixable instability. It worked great and has on many other patients. Colwell , DC joe medlin wrote: > > ? > > I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to expose a patient to the highly > uncomfortable sequela of prolo therapy injections in order to create > some sort of stability. Especially in the Cervical spine. OUCH. I > believe it's intention and where i personally and professionally have > experienced Wonderful results are with conditions involving chronic > irritation of a tendon or ligament i.e. tendonitis. The irritation in > fact creates a blood supply via mass inflammation for a tendon that > has inherently a poor blood supply. Similar to the ol " mallet therapy " . > ph Medlin D.C. > Spine Tree Chiropractic > 1607 NE Alberta St > PDX, OR 97211 > 503-788-6800 > > * Re: Prolotherapy > > My patients have had good success with it. Some insurance > companies (some BCBS plans) actually do pay for it and PIP > does cover it, as well. I usually send patients to > Milroy, ND, DC in Hubbard. > > Barrett > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know a doctor that does prolotherapy? > Also, has it been successful for ligament laxity? > > Thanks, > > Cluen, DC > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing > now. > <http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB & publ=WLHMTAG & crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSc\ hool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.91/2363 - Release Date: 09/11/09 09:15:00 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 , To the best of my knowledge prolotherapy only works on rebuilding and strengthening ligaments and I doubt very strongly it would benefit your patient's condition. Herb Freeman D.C. Prolotherapy Anyone had any luck with prolotherapy?Anyone know at typical fee for a shot?I have a patient with chondromalacia patella who wants a shot. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Some luck , but disgruntled over how over used it's become and how much folks are charging. Nonetheless, if pt insists, try Milroy, DC, ND in ville or Rick Marinelli, ND in Beaverton. The injection is a concentrated dextrose soln. Acts as an irritant in a similar way that cross fiber friction or Graston might. Some have used it as a sclerosing agent for ligamentous laxity with some success (like in hypermobile SI). Chondromalacia patellae is not usually accurate description of the pathology. More current is patellofemoral tracking disorder, best managed with correction of valgus knee position with knee flexion by correcting the controllers of that movement in the hip and lower leg. Additional tx to address fibrosis in the peripatellar retinaculum is usually necessary and may include the above irritants (prolo, GT, Cross fiber). W. Snell, D.C. Director, Solutions Sports & Spine, Inc at Hawthorne Wellness Center 3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Portland, OR 97214 Ph. 503-235-5484 Fax 503-235-3956 drpsnell.chiroweb.comwww.fixyourownback.comMember, American College of Sports MedicineAssoc. Member, International Society of Clinical Rehabilitation Specialists From: drscott@...Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:15:08 -0700Subject: Prolotherapy Anyone had any luck with prolotherapy? Anyone know at typical fee for a shot? I have a patient with chondromalacia patella who wants a shot. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Hi , I do Prolo, worked for Rick Marinelli, ND for 10 years and have been personally trained by him and watched him do hundreds of procedures. I've injected many an extremity and it ALWAYS helps to some degree, sometimes with amazing results. It works great for pain anywhere around the knee cap. No scar tissue creation, just pain reduction and increased ability to use the joint. Knees and shoulders run around $100 ea. 3-4 injections needed at most, depends on the patient, activity level, healing ability. Tyna , ND, DC Clearwater Clinic 1201 SW 12th Ave, Ste 205 Portland, OR 97205 503.279.0205 www.clearh2o.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Has anyone in this group had prolotherapy? Its an alternative treatment, and I am wondering if any " real people " have had success with it. Its highly touted by the alternative practitioners who give the treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 From what I understand its used in joints and ligaments and so I understand that to mean it would work well for spondelothesis and such but mabey not so much for disc herniations or sciatica or other disc or spine problems. " Without rabbits a rabbits foot would be nothing but a disembodied hand full of unidentified toes. " -Pogo spinal problems From: elsa1599@... Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:24:55 +0000 Subject: prolotherapy Has anyone in this group had prolotherapy? Its an alternative treatment, and I am wondering if any " real people " have had success with it. Its highly touted by the alternative practitioners who give the treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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