neck pain

[Guest guest]

neck pain

>Hi, I wonder if anyone expericenced neck pain as a result of HyperT

>problem?

>

>Liz, yes and it bothered me coz it's a noticeable pain running down the

left side of my neck. It disappears but later returns back. However, I

wasn't able to take note of the time interval between the episodes, however,

it seems several weeks and disappears after a few minutes. I just tap the

pain with my finger.

Since I haven't read this neck pain problem from the symptoms observed, I

wondered if it could be leading to something else.

So , maybe I'm just insecure because I'm not seeing my doctor anymore, I

don't know how I'm doing except that I'm feeling very much better like a

very normal person that I used to be.

Maybe there's something wrong with the procedure. A person should have a

choice and whatever choice she'll take, it should not be injurious to her

later. Can't radioactive iodine be replaced with any other substance that is

non-toxic so that a good picture of the thyroid can be seen? Maybe this

could be a good ground for reasearch?

However, I'm also thinking that maybe it's just a physiologic function,

maybe the muscles are burdened from carrying the inflamed thyroid heavier

than it's normal weight, so the neck muscles tire out, thus, the pain.

I also notice now after taking the copper supplement, that after a strenous

activity, I sweat a lot but no notice of palpitations nor breathlessness.

The heat or warmth felt in the face disappears quickly after the release of

sweat, unlike before when the heat disappears after several minutes yet.

The left leg tremor is still there but of lesser magnitude.

Copper makes me feel good so with calcium and magnesium too! Thanks....a....

lot.....

Marilyn

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[Guest guest]

Marilyn, I also have that pain in the neck, and have had it on and off for a number of years... didn't realize that it could be related to thyroid problems.. it is on the left side and runs down into the shoulder some times.

It's a real " pain in the neck"! he hee!

Chris

[Guest guest]

Well, I have a pain in the neck tonight...but it's in the right side and runs down to my shoulder.

Re: neck painMarilyn, I also have that pain in the neck, and have had it on and off for a number of years... didn't realize that it could be related to thyroid problems.. it is on the left side and runs down into the shoulder some times. It's a real " pain in the neck " ! he hee! Chris

[Guest guest]

Thanks much, Marilyn, for your kind advice.

My heart rate is between 68-90 and other than feeling nervous, with

periodic palpitation, I am pretty much normal. I was given beta-blocker

10mg 3x a day, but that reduced my pulse to 60/min and lowered my blood

pressure from 100/60 to 90/50. So when I started copper/zinc, Ca/Mg

supplements two days ago, I stopped Propanolol to see what would

result--I felt pretty good with the supplement and my pulse was at 68,

still nervous and hand tremor, but palpitation is better (it seemed). I

don't know if it's due the the illness or my own concern, I feel less

able to concentrate and often depressed and tired, and very conscious of

my own nervous feeling.

I swim once a week, do yoga (I heard it's good for thyroid disorder) and

play badminton once a week. Although I feel weak sometimes, I try to

keep up with the exercise to combat the ill feeling.

I don't have protruded eyes, my hair and skin are normal, and my thyroid

gland is about the same size as before, about normal size.--I don't know

if I am only at the outset of a severe problem so the symptom will later

show up or I'm just less ill (maybe only an infection of my

thyroid-thyroiditis).

By the way, my neck pain disappeared in two days, whether from my taking

the supplement or as other have said, it comes and goes, I dont know.

Again, thanks for your help.

Liz

Jocelyn Yap wrote:

>

> I thought it was only me who's suffering from this neck pain problem and

> wondering if it could be something more serious like cancer. I wonder how

> many others more are having the same neck pain and if this has been listed

> as one of the common symptoms of HyperT.

>

> Liz, the thyroid scan is made with the use of radioactive iodine. The

> radioactive iodine does not affect the thyroid alone but other organs as

> well, and it will take a long time for the substance to deteriorate in your

> body. Yes, we want to know how serious our HyperT is, most especially when

> we have just learned that we have it! even I would want to know just to be

> on the safe side so we can do something about it but thinks that if it

> can still be helped without the scan, then better not do it at all.

>

> The best person to ask is , not me, and those who have had it already.

> Somebody said she feels great after having RAI, and the others not at all.

> However, before deciding, you should learn about it first. Try the safest

> route and see if there's any improvement at all, re: the ATDs and the

> vitamins and minerals. But this takes time and you have to be patient and

> relaxed and not consider yourself sick at all, even though you know that you

> are. Feel normal, this will lessen your worries and reduce your stress. As

> much as possible be happy. Don't worry, you will make yourself worse.

>

> The first question that asked was if I were anemic, and I realized that

> I've been anemic all my life. Then something will just tip it off so you

> become unbalanced. Maybe the organs/hormones grew tired of keeping the

> balance and will just give way sooner or later. If you know that you're

> anemic or at the edge of being diabetic, then it is a sign that you're

> deficient in copper. With this knowledge you become more confident that you

> can tackle the problem even without the scan. So what do you think? It's

> easy to put off your appointment, maybe if you're so keen on it, you can

> postpone it to a later date. But what's wrong with trying out the natural wa

> y first?

>

> By the way, how fast is your heart rate and how strong/weak are you at this

> point?

>

> My mission now is how to go down slowly from Hi to average without getting

> Lo and I don't want to take Zinc supplement yet, I'm relying on the zinc

> available in foods, so if I take a little copper, I eat a little bit too of

> the don't foods, to lessen the disturbance, but maybe what I'm doing is

> wrong but am still experimenting. My basis is my heart rate and my

> resistance. For a long time, I've been weak, cannot run for long, I easily

> loose my breath, but I feel my lungs have been clear recently.

>

> So listen to your body, try to see what's good for you, and feel free to

> post a question....

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> marilyn

[Guest guest]

,

I've suffered from a double whiplash for over 20 years and know the pain

you're talking about.

The best things I have found are heat...Vanquish (an aspirin/tylenol

combination), and/Ultram. It takes all three on really bad days.

The heat helps to relax the neck muscles. I have one of the gel packs for

necks that I keep heated nearly all of the time.

Because of silent ulcers, Vanquish is the only over the counter med that my

former doc would approve. It's never advertised and it can be hard to find.

Walmart is the best source. For all of my pains, not just the neck, I will

go through a bottle of 100 in 1-2 weeks. This has been for years. I've

tried taking regular aspirin and regular tylenol at the same time, but it

just doesn't work. Can't explain why the Vanquish does, but several people

from work have started swearing by it also. Some have had headaches for

several days (not sinus) and nothing would help til they tried Vanquish.

Their pain would be gone within 30-40 minutes.

The Ultram is because my entire body is wracked with pain, 24/7/365. It is

the only prescription pain med that has worked for me. AND, it's a

non-narcotic.

These are what work for me and doesn't mean they would work for you. But I

do wish you all the luck, cause I definitely know what it feels like to

suffer.

Betty

[Guest guest]

,

I've suffered from a double whiplash for over 20 years and know the pain

you're talking about.

The best things I have found are heat...Vanquish (an aspirin/tylenol

combination), and/Ultram. It takes all three on really bad days.

The heat helps to relax the neck muscles. I have one of the gel packs for

necks that I keep heated nearly all of the time.

Because of silent ulcers, Vanquish is the only over the counter med that my

former doc would approve. It's never advertised and it can be hard to find.

Walmart is the best source. For all of my pains, not just the neck, I will

go through a bottle of 100 in 1-2 weeks. This has been for years. I've

tried taking regular aspirin and regular tylenol at the same time, but it

just doesn't work. Can't explain why the Vanquish does, but several people

from work have started swearing by it also. Some have had headaches for

several days (not sinus) and nothing would help til they tried Vanquish.

Their pain would be gone within 30-40 minutes.

The Ultram is because my entire body is wracked with pain, 24/7/365. It is

the only prescription pain med that has worked for me. AND, it's a

non-narcotic.

These are what work for me and doesn't mean they would work for you. But I

do wish you all the luck, cause I definitely know what it feels like to

suffer.

Betty

[Guest guest]

,

I've suffered from a double whiplash for over 20 years and know the pain

you're talking about.

The best things I have found are heat...Vanquish (an aspirin/tylenol

combination), and/Ultram. It takes all three on really bad days.

The heat helps to relax the neck muscles. I have one of the gel packs for

necks that I keep heated nearly all of the time.

Because of silent ulcers, Vanquish is the only over the counter med that my

former doc would approve. It's never advertised and it can be hard to find.

Walmart is the best source. For all of my pains, not just the neck, I will

go through a bottle of 100 in 1-2 weeks. This has been for years. I've

tried taking regular aspirin and regular tylenol at the same time, but it

just doesn't work. Can't explain why the Vanquish does, but several people

from work have started swearing by it also. Some have had headaches for

several days (not sinus) and nothing would help til they tried Vanquish.

Their pain would be gone within 30-40 minutes.

The Ultram is because my entire body is wracked with pain, 24/7/365. It is

the only prescription pain med that has worked for me. AND, it's a

non-narcotic.

These are what work for me and doesn't mean they would work for you. But I

do wish you all the luck, cause I definitely know what it feels like to

suffer.

Betty

[Guest guest]

,

I've suffered from a double whiplash for over 20 years and know the pain

you're talking about.

The best things I have found are heat...Vanquish (an aspirin/tylenol

combination), and/Ultram. It takes all three on really bad days.

The heat helps to relax the neck muscles. I have one of the gel packs for

necks that I keep heated nearly all of the time.

Because of silent ulcers, Vanquish is the only over the counter med that my

former doc would approve. It's never advertised and it can be hard to find.

Walmart is the best source. For all of my pains, not just the neck, I will

go through a bottle of 100 in 1-2 weeks. This has been for years. I've

tried taking regular aspirin and regular tylenol at the same time, but it

just doesn't work. Can't explain why the Vanquish does, but several people

from work have started swearing by it also. Some have had headaches for

several days (not sinus) and nothing would help til they tried Vanquish.

Their pain would be gone within 30-40 minutes.

The Ultram is because my entire body is wracked with pain, 24/7/365. It is

the only prescription pain med that has worked for me. AND, it's a

non-narcotic.

These are what work for me and doesn't mean they would work for you. But I

do wish you all the luck, cause I definitely know what it feels like to

suffer.

Betty

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have neck pain, with bone degeneration and disc compression at

C6-C7. I also have inflammatory arthritis. These are the things that

I have found that helped me:

I take Vioxx 25mg. once a day, but I can take it twice a day if it is

bad. This is a II inhibitor, an anti-inflammatory with much less

risk of gi bleeding. And my GI says he prefers that over any other

anti-inflammatory.

Amitriptyline: this is actually a type of antidepressant, but it is

often prescribed for chronic pain because it induces a deep stage 4

sleep, which really allows the muscles to relax. I guess. All I know

is that, in addition to a muscle relaxer, it gave me the first

pain-free period I had had in years. It really works. I wish I could

have continued to take it, but I had a bad reaction to it - not

something that normally happens to others.

Muscle Relaxers: Ones I've used are Flexerill (makes me sleepy-I take

one every night), Norflex (not too bad), and Valium, which works

fast.

Vicodin - hydrocodone + Tylenol. for pain

A good chiropractor, along with rehab and physical therapy. Yes, they

did X-rays first. This helped A LOT.

I'm sure that what helps with one person will be completely different

for someone else. However, I do know that between the chiropractor

and the others things, I was able to go without any actual pain

medication most of the time, or when I do need something, it is MUCH

less. I do believe that relying only on pain medications is not good.

If there is a lot of inflammation, you need some sort of

anti-inflammatory or you will continue to have more and more damage.

And I do think physical therapy really helped me a lot too. I would

suggest seeing a good rheumatologist (if you're not already), and by

good, I mean one who will not JUST hand out drugs, but also try to

treat the underlying cause.

Good luck!

Claudine

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have neck pain, with bone degeneration and disc compression at

C6-C7. I also have inflammatory arthritis. These are the things that

I have found that helped me:

I take Vioxx 25mg. once a day, but I can take it twice a day if it is

bad. This is a II inhibitor, an anti-inflammatory with much less

risk of gi bleeding. And my GI says he prefers that over any other

anti-inflammatory.

Amitriptyline: this is actually a type of antidepressant, but it is

often prescribed for chronic pain because it induces a deep stage 4

sleep, which really allows the muscles to relax. I guess. All I know

is that, in addition to a muscle relaxer, it gave me the first

pain-free period I had had in years. It really works. I wish I could

have continued to take it, but I had a bad reaction to it - not

something that normally happens to others.

Muscle Relaxers: Ones I've used are Flexerill (makes me sleepy-I take

one every night), Norflex (not too bad), and Valium, which works

fast.

Vicodin - hydrocodone + Tylenol. for pain

A good chiropractor, along with rehab and physical therapy. Yes, they

did X-rays first. This helped A LOT.

I'm sure that what helps with one person will be completely different

for someone else. However, I do know that between the chiropractor

and the others things, I was able to go without any actual pain

medication most of the time, or when I do need something, it is MUCH

less. I do believe that relying only on pain medications is not good.

If there is a lot of inflammation, you need some sort of

anti-inflammatory or you will continue to have more and more damage.

And I do think physical therapy really helped me a lot too. I would

suggest seeing a good rheumatologist (if you're not already), and by

good, I mean one who will not JUST hand out drugs, but also try to

treat the underlying cause.

Good luck!

Claudine

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have neck pain, with bone degeneration and disc compression at

C6-C7. I also have inflammatory arthritis. These are the things that

I have found that helped me:

I take Vioxx 25mg. once a day, but I can take it twice a day if it is

bad. This is a II inhibitor, an anti-inflammatory with much less

risk of gi bleeding. And my GI says he prefers that over any other

anti-inflammatory.

Amitriptyline: this is actually a type of antidepressant, but it is

often prescribed for chronic pain because it induces a deep stage 4

sleep, which really allows the muscles to relax. I guess. All I know

is that, in addition to a muscle relaxer, it gave me the first

pain-free period I had had in years. It really works. I wish I could

have continued to take it, but I had a bad reaction to it - not

something that normally happens to others.

Muscle Relaxers: Ones I've used are Flexerill (makes me sleepy-I take

one every night), Norflex (not too bad), and Valium, which works

fast.

Vicodin - hydrocodone + Tylenol. for pain

A good chiropractor, along with rehab and physical therapy. Yes, they

did X-rays first. This helped A LOT.

I'm sure that what helps with one person will be completely different

for someone else. However, I do know that between the chiropractor

and the others things, I was able to go without any actual pain

medication most of the time, or when I do need something, it is MUCH

less. I do believe that relying only on pain medications is not good.

If there is a lot of inflammation, you need some sort of

anti-inflammatory or you will continue to have more and more damage.

And I do think physical therapy really helped me a lot too. I would

suggest seeing a good rheumatologist (if you're not already), and by

good, I mean one who will not JUST hand out drugs, but also try to

treat the underlying cause.

Good luck!

Claudine

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have neck pain, with bone degeneration and disc compression at

C6-C7. I also have inflammatory arthritis. These are the things that

I have found that helped me:

I take Vioxx 25mg. once a day, but I can take it twice a day if it is

bad. This is a II inhibitor, an anti-inflammatory with much less

risk of gi bleeding. And my GI says he prefers that over any other

anti-inflammatory.

Amitriptyline: this is actually a type of antidepressant, but it is

often prescribed for chronic pain because it induces a deep stage 4

sleep, which really allows the muscles to relax. I guess. All I know

is that, in addition to a muscle relaxer, it gave me the first

pain-free period I had had in years. It really works. I wish I could

have continued to take it, but I had a bad reaction to it - not

something that normally happens to others.

Muscle Relaxers: Ones I've used are Flexerill (makes me sleepy-I take

one every night), Norflex (not too bad), and Valium, which works

fast.

Vicodin - hydrocodone + Tylenol. for pain

A good chiropractor, along with rehab and physical therapy. Yes, they

did X-rays first. This helped A LOT.

I'm sure that what helps with one person will be completely different

for someone else. However, I do know that between the chiropractor

and the others things, I was able to go without any actual pain

medication most of the time, or when I do need something, it is MUCH

less. I do believe that relying only on pain medications is not good.

If there is a lot of inflammation, you need some sort of

anti-inflammatory or you will continue to have more and more damage.

And I do think physical therapy really helped me a lot too. I would

suggest seeing a good rheumatologist (if you're not already), and by

good, I mean one who will not JUST hand out drugs, but also try to

treat the underlying cause.

Good luck!

Claudine

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi

I need to take 2 tylenol3s daily for pain. I know about the

acetominophen, but I haven't other options. It's already a

precription drug and Dr doesn't want me on anything stronger such as

percocet. From what I've read, I am ok at this dosage. Perhaps

Claudine or Doc could help you cuz I don't know the amount of aceto

compared from my meds to yours. Good luck with the pain, I know what

it's like, no fun.

Carol

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

> For the last several years 've had pretty severe neck pain from anauto

accident and it just got to the point I couldn't stand it anymore. They did x

rays and said it looks like quite a bit of arthritis and I'm still waiting for

results of MRI. I asked my ortho for pain pills and explained to him about the

Hep C and not wanting too much tylenol, etc. First he gave me Ultracet which

had 325 mg of actemino phen but I need 2 to get rid of pain so he said he write

something stronger, I figured he just increase the dose but he switched me to

propoxaphene (Darvon) which has 600 mg of acetaminophen. On days it's bad I

need to take 3 04 pills over te day. Is this just too much tylenol? And if it

is wat is a good pain med for us heppers. I'm hoping to get referred to a pain

clinic where I have other options that pain pills for relief.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I need to take 2 tylenol3s daily for pain. I know about the

acetominophen, but I haven't other options. It's already a

precription drug and Dr doesn't want me on anything stronger such as

percocet. From what I've read, I am ok at this dosage. Perhaps

Claudine or Doc could help you cuz I don't know the amount of aceto

compared from my meds to yours. Good luck with the pain, I know what

it's like, no fun.

Carol

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

> For the last several years 've had pretty severe neck pain from anauto

accident and it just got to the point I couldn't stand it anymore. They did x

rays and said it looks like quite a bit of arthritis and I'm still waiting for

results of MRI. I asked my ortho for pain pills and explained to him about the

Hep C and not wanting too much tylenol, etc. First he gave me Ultracet which

had 325 mg of actemino phen but I need 2 to get rid of pain so he said he write

something stronger, I figured he just increase the dose but he switched me to

propoxaphene (Darvon) which has 600 mg of acetaminophen. On days it's bad I

need to take 3 04 pills over te day. Is this just too much tylenol? And if it

is wat is a good pain med for us heppers. I'm hoping to get referred to a pain

clinic where I have other options that pain pills for relief.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I need to take 2 tylenol3s daily for pain. I know about the

acetominophen, but I haven't other options. It's already a

precription drug and Dr doesn't want me on anything stronger such as

percocet. From what I've read, I am ok at this dosage. Perhaps

Claudine or Doc could help you cuz I don't know the amount of aceto

compared from my meds to yours. Good luck with the pain, I know what

it's like, no fun.

Carol

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

> For the last several years 've had pretty severe neck pain from anauto

accident and it just got to the point I couldn't stand it anymore. They did x

rays and said it looks like quite a bit of arthritis and I'm still waiting for

results of MRI. I asked my ortho for pain pills and explained to him about the

Hep C and not wanting too much tylenol, etc. First he gave me Ultracet which

had 325 mg of actemino phen but I need 2 to get rid of pain so he said he write

something stronger, I figured he just increase the dose but he switched me to

propoxaphene (Darvon) which has 600 mg of acetaminophen. On days it's bad I

need to take 3 04 pills over te day. Is this just too much tylenol? And if it

is wat is a good pain med for us heppers. I'm hoping to get referred to a pain

clinic where I have other options that pain pills for relief.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I need to take 2 tylenol3s daily for pain. I know about the

acetominophen, but I haven't other options. It's already a

precription drug and Dr doesn't want me on anything stronger such as

percocet. From what I've read, I am ok at this dosage. Perhaps

Claudine or Doc could help you cuz I don't know the amount of aceto

compared from my meds to yours. Good luck with the pain, I know what

it's like, no fun.

Carol

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

> For the last several years 've had pretty severe neck pain from anauto

accident and it just got to the point I couldn't stand it anymore. They did x

rays and said it looks like quite a bit of arthritis and I'm still waiting for

results of MRI. I asked my ortho for pain pills and explained to him about the

Hep C and not wanting too much tylenol, etc. First he gave me Ultracet which

had 325 mg of actemino phen but I need 2 to get rid of pain so he said he write

something stronger, I figured he just increase the dose but he switched me to

propoxaphene (Darvon) which has 600 mg of acetaminophen. On days it's bad I

need to take 3 04 pills over te day. Is this just too much tylenol? And if it

is wat is a good pain med for us heppers. I'm hoping to get referred to a pain

clinic where I have other options that pain pills for relief.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi ,

I have a lot of neck aches, not quite pain, which I think is due to the bone

spurs there. If hubby didn't massage my neck and back every nite I'd be a

spazz case.

I take aspirin, as it works best for me, or ibuprofen. If these don't work,

I'm probably working on a migraine so I take other pain meds if I have them.

Right now I have hydrocodone (with tylenol which I don't like to take) or

toradol. I use heated rubs, aspercreame, hot towels, etc as needed.

A recent bone scane confirmed fusing and arthritis in my tail bone. It is

becoming increasingly difficult to stand for long time without it hurting or

lying on hard surfaces (like getting those darn scans done! haha)

With the new year I should find a chiropractor/massage therapist combo.

I've restarted my Tai Chi and use the warmup excercises anytime I feel I

need them. (In the Tai Chi class I attended several years ago, I was the

youngest person there at age 44, I'm 46 now btw).

Hope you feel better. Try to find as many alternative methods to pain pills

as you can.

alley

http://clubs./clubs/happyheppers

[Guest guest]

hi ,

I have a lot of neck aches, not quite pain, which I think is due to the bone

spurs there. If hubby didn't massage my neck and back every nite I'd be a

spazz case.

I take aspirin, as it works best for me, or ibuprofen. If these don't work,

I'm probably working on a migraine so I take other pain meds if I have them.

Right now I have hydrocodone (with tylenol which I don't like to take) or

toradol. I use heated rubs, aspercreame, hot towels, etc as needed.

A recent bone scane confirmed fusing and arthritis in my tail bone. It is

becoming increasingly difficult to stand for long time without it hurting or

lying on hard surfaces (like getting those darn scans done! haha)

With the new year I should find a chiropractor/massage therapist combo.

I've restarted my Tai Chi and use the warmup excercises anytime I feel I

need them. (In the Tai Chi class I attended several years ago, I was the

youngest person there at age 44, I'm 46 now btw).

Hope you feel better. Try to find as many alternative methods to pain pills

as you can.

alley

http://clubs./clubs/happyheppers

[Guest guest]

Thanks

I will try Vanquish..I've never heard of it before. I'm one of those

that gets severe headaches that last 3-4 days. Will try Wal-Mart for

them.

Carol

Arkhepcgal@... wrote:

>

> ,

> I've suffered from a double whiplash for over 20 years and know the pain

> you're talking about.

>

> The best things I have found are heat...Vanquish (an aspirin/tylenol

> combination), and/Ultram. It takes all three on really bad days.

>

> The heat helps to relax the neck muscles. I have one of the gel packs for

> necks that I keep heated nearly all of the time.

>

> Because of silent ulcers, Vanquish is the only over the counter med that my

> former doc would approve. It's never advertised and it can be hard to find.

> Walmart is the best source. For all of my pains, not just the neck, I will

> go through a bottle of 100 in 1-2 weeks. This has been for years. I've

> tried taking regular aspirin and regular tylenol at the same time, but it

> just doesn't work. Can't explain why the Vanquish does, but several people

> from work have started swearing by it also. Some have had headaches for

> several days (not sinus) and nothing would help til they tried Vanquish.

> Their pain would be gone within 30-40 minutes.

>

> The Ultram is because my entire body is wracked with pain, 24/7/365. It is

> the only prescription pain med that has worked for me. AND, it's a

> non-narcotic.

>

> These are what work for me and doesn't mean they would work for you. But I

> do wish you all the luck, cause I definitely know what it feels like to

> suffer.

>

> Betty

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks

I will try Vanquish..I've never heard of it before. I'm one of those

that gets severe headaches that last 3-4 days. Will try Wal-Mart for

them.

Carol

Arkhepcgal@... wrote:

>

> ,

> I've suffered from a double whiplash for over 20 years and know the pain

> you're talking about.

>

> The best things I have found are heat...Vanquish (an aspirin/tylenol

> combination), and/Ultram. It takes all three on really bad days.

>

> The heat helps to relax the neck muscles. I have one of the gel packs for

> necks that I keep heated nearly all of the time.

>

> Because of silent ulcers, Vanquish is the only over the counter med that my

> former doc would approve. It's never advertised and it can be hard to find.

> Walmart is the best source. For all of my pains, not just the neck, I will

> go through a bottle of 100 in 1-2 weeks. This has been for years. I've

> tried taking regular aspirin and regular tylenol at the same time, but it

> just doesn't work. Can't explain why the Vanquish does, but several people

> from work have started swearing by it also. Some have had headaches for

> several days (not sinus) and nothing would help til they tried Vanquish.

> Their pain would be gone within 30-40 minutes.

>

> The Ultram is because my entire body is wracked with pain, 24/7/365. It is

> the only prescription pain med that has worked for me. AND, it's a

> non-narcotic.

>

> These are what work for me and doesn't mean they would work for you. But I

> do wish you all the luck, cause I definitely know what it feels like to

> suffer.

>

> Betty

>

>

[Guest guest]

Accupuncture is great for pain management...and it's

very liver safe (in fact, they can treat your liver

and immune system at the same time as treating various

aches and pains). Accupuncture has made my life

virtually pain free...

Pain management is much more then just drugs ....

meditation, visualization, accupuncture,

chiropracters, etc...all help and, in my opinion only,

much better for us and our livers than pain meds. But

you do need to be actively involved in your pain

management with these approaches.

Blessings

Tatezi

I've heard from others opiates are the best for liver

patients

[Guest guest]

Accupuncture is great for pain management...and it's

very liver safe (in fact, they can treat your liver

and immune system at the same time as treating various

aches and pains). Accupuncture has made my life

virtually pain free...

Pain management is much more then just drugs ....

meditation, visualization, accupuncture,

chiropracters, etc...all help and, in my opinion only,

much better for us and our livers than pain meds. But

you do need to be actively involved in your pain

management with these approaches.

Blessings

Tatezi

I've heard from others opiates are the best for liver

patients

[Guest guest]

Hi - I understand if your grumpy. When my neck is hurting and

my ears are ringing (and the worse my neck hurts the more my ears

ring) I just want to rip my hair out and scream at the world! And it

keeps me awake, which doesn't help either.

Are you sure you are thinking of the Vioxx? One of it's strongest

selling points (for Vioxx and Celebrex) is it's very LOW risk of

stomach bleeding. I have had an ulcer in the past, and that was

another factor when the doctors decided to put me on a II

inhibitor rather than any other anti-flammatory. I started out on

Celebrex, but then another doc thought the Vioxx might work better

for my neck pain, and she was right. I do like the Vioxx better than

Celebrex. You might also give the amitriptyline (Elavil) a try. I

know it doesn't sound like something that would help much, but it

really helped me more than anything else, and I only took it at

night. I have also heard that narcotics are some of the most

liver-friendly drugs, but so many doctors are hesitant to prescribe

them. The pain management doc will normally be able to get away with

it (be more willing) than any other doctors, since prescribing of

narcotics is really watched. I think those often make you sleepy too

you know. In the mean time, why don't you see if your doctor will

prescribe some Vicodin. It comes in varying strengths, and your

doctor may be able to find one that contains a larger amount of

hydrocodone with a lesser amount of Tylenol. (Or maybe even just the

hydrocodone alone?) My GI doc told me it was ok to take 2000mg -

3000mg of Tylenol daily, but I would think if this was a daily thing

the lower dose is better - and 2000mg is only 4 extra-strength - not

much, I know. But maybe that with a higher dose of the

hydrocodone.... You mentioned the heating pad - have you tried ice

packs? Ice packs work better for me than heat. My chiropractor said

which ever feels better is ok. I would really try to see a

rheumatologist. I have not heard very good things about ortho docs

and pain management! Like they think you should just tough it out,

not good at prescribing effective pain meds. I've never been to one

myself, just heard it talked about elsewhere. The rheumatologist may

be more up-to-date on treatments for arthritis too, than the ortho

doc - aren't they surgeons? Well, I hope you find something to help

soon!

Claudine

PS on the chiropractor: I have seen two different ones. One just did

manipulation and some massage stuff. It felt great while I was there

and for a short time after. But the other, after several

manipulations, began me on a physical therapy program, to strengthen

the neck muscles (and back and chest too), which is necessary to

retrain the muscles to hold all the bones in place. He said the neck

was the hardest area to exercise, but without that the effects would

only be temporary. And he was right. I did continue to feel much

better than before as long as I continued my exercises (for a while

after I stopped seeing him), but then I got busy with Thanksgiving

and Christmas, etc.... I haven't exercised in 3 months now and I can

tell a major difference. The physical therapy/exercise makes a

difference.

--- <smith50@...> wrote:

> Thanks for everyone's input.

>

> I've already done chiropractic and massage. Pain is still there.

> As for vioxx itgives me more pain in my stomach and is very

> dangerous for stomach bleeding. I'm on an anti d, and ativan but

> they don't elp the pain. Tylenol, aspirin, ibuprofen are alll

> nonos for liver patients in the kind of dosage needed to kill pain

> plus they don't work on this pain. Flexeril just makes me sleep.

> What I want is some doc to give me a pain med with no other junk in

> it. I've heard from others opiates are the best for liver

> patients. I'm 52 and I've had this artritis for over 10 yers and

> it's not getting better. I live on a heating pad. I guess I'll

> just try a pain management doc next and see what they have to say.

> I'm sorry if I seem grumpy but it is making me crazy. I go back to

> ortho doc next week for mri reading to see what's' changed and

> I'll go on from there.

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi - I understand if your grumpy. When my neck is hurting and

my ears are ringing (and the worse my neck hurts the more my ears

ring) I just want to rip my hair out and scream at the world! And it

keeps me awake, which doesn't help either.

Are you sure you are thinking of the Vioxx? One of it's strongest

selling points (for Vioxx and Celebrex) is it's very LOW risk of

stomach bleeding. I have had an ulcer in the past, and that was

another factor when the doctors decided to put me on a II

inhibitor rather than any other anti-flammatory. I started out on

Celebrex, but then another doc thought the Vioxx might work better

for my neck pain, and she was right. I do like the Vioxx better than

Celebrex. You might also give the amitriptyline (Elavil) a try. I

know it doesn't sound like something that would help much, but it

really helped me more than anything else, and I only took it at

night. I have also heard that narcotics are some of the most

liver-friendly drugs, but so many doctors are hesitant to prescribe

them. The pain management doc will normally be able to get away with

it (be more willing) than any other doctors, since prescribing of

narcotics is really watched. I think those often make you sleepy too

you know. In the mean time, why don't you see if your doctor will

prescribe some Vicodin. It comes in varying strengths, and your

doctor may be able to find one that contains a larger amount of

hydrocodone with a lesser amount of Tylenol. (Or maybe even just the

hydrocodone alone?) My GI doc told me it was ok to take 2000mg -

3000mg of Tylenol daily, but I would think if this was a daily thing

the lower dose is better - and 2000mg is only 4 extra-strength - not

much, I know. But maybe that with a higher dose of the

hydrocodone.... You mentioned the heating pad - have you tried ice

packs? Ice packs work better for me than heat. My chiropractor said

which ever feels better is ok. I would really try to see a

rheumatologist. I have not heard very good things about ortho docs

and pain management! Like they think you should just tough it out,

not good at prescribing effective pain meds. I've never been to one

myself, just heard it talked about elsewhere. The rheumatologist may

be more up-to-date on treatments for arthritis too, than the ortho

doc - aren't they surgeons? Well, I hope you find something to help

soon!

Claudine

PS on the chiropractor: I have seen two different ones. One just did

manipulation and some massage stuff. It felt great while I was there

and for a short time after. But the other, after several

manipulations, began me on a physical therapy program, to strengthen

the neck muscles (and back and chest too), which is necessary to

retrain the muscles to hold all the bones in place. He said the neck

was the hardest area to exercise, but without that the effects would

only be temporary. And he was right. I did continue to feel much

better than before as long as I continued my exercises (for a while

after I stopped seeing him), but then I got busy with Thanksgiving

and Christmas, etc.... I haven't exercised in 3 months now and I can

tell a major difference. The physical therapy/exercise makes a

difference.

--- <smith50@...> wrote:

> Thanks for everyone's input.

>

> I've already done chiropractic and massage. Pain is still there.

> As for vioxx itgives me more pain in my stomach and is very

> dangerous for stomach bleeding. I'm on an anti d, and ativan but

> they don't elp the pain. Tylenol, aspirin, ibuprofen are alll

> nonos for liver patients in the kind of dosage needed to kill pain

> plus they don't work on this pain. Flexeril just makes me sleep.

> What I want is some doc to give me a pain med with no other junk in

> it. I've heard from others opiates are the best for liver

> patients. I'm 52 and I've had this artritis for over 10 yers and

> it's not getting better. I live on a heating pad. I guess I'll

> just try a pain management doc next and see what they have to say.

> I'm sorry if I seem grumpy but it is making me crazy. I go back to

> ortho doc next week for mri reading to see what's' changed and

> I'll go on from there.

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

, I'm experiencing that too and had it checked out. Seems I have a pinched nerve between the 5th and 6th cervical disc. Wonder is this the result of them manuvering my head after knocking me out. My surgery was in July and the symptoms appeared in October.

Tom