Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 hmmm... I've read Lee's book " What your doctor may not tell you about menopause " and I'm taking the cream he recommends in that book So... that must be old info aye? This is building up in my system? :/ ----- Original Message ----- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> < > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:49 AM Subject: Re: Creatine > Hi . I hear ya. You might consider looking up Ray Peats site. He has an oral progesterone that doesn't build up in the system. I did progesterone cream " Purgest " (doesn't have any artificial chemicals in it) for several years at a very low dose and didn't notice anything negative. I do know women who use large amounts many times a day and don't take a break. I don't think that is wise. > > I always pray and ask for wisdom with these things and it works for me. > > Another factor for many women is removing all the things in their home that increase estrogen. Scented candles, air fragrances, plastic. When you make your enviroment as natural as you can you will have less high estrogen and less bone loss. > > I have a friend who has had horrific hot flashes. Then she went on vacation in the woods for a week and didn't have one hot flash. A light bulb moment. She quit her job at Napa (petroleum products are major offenders) and her flashed went down by half. She has reduced fake stuff in home and reduced them further but not completely. > > Blessings > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evely > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > I am taking natural progest daily > Then I read " progesterone creams reconsidered " from WAP site > http://www.westonaprice.org/women/natural_protection.html > > man... it's just so hard to know what to do. Whenever you think you are > doing the right thing along comes something else that contraindicates it :/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> > < > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > Hi . Yes, I know the basic science behind it. I just didn't get the > boost they said I would. That doens't mean that you wouldn't. > > > > But, for osteoporosis, progesterone is a major player. And green foods > like supergreens. I think I posted here that some people are getting as > much as 11% increase in bone mass over a year. Seems remarkable to me. I > am taking some that a friend sent and I have noticed that I seem to need > less coral calcium now. ??? Time will tell. > > > > Blessings > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Evely > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:44 AM > > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > > > Thank you Donna for your thoughts > > ~I know isolated is probably not the best thing but the reason I had > even > > considered it to begin with is that I read an article on osteoporosis > and it > > said creatine is a very good thing because it increases the fluid inside > the > > muscle cells~ with increased strength could then exercise harder and > longer > > thus putting stress on bones even more and increasing bone mass even > more > > etc. > > > > BTW I am 27 years old with osteo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> > > < > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:31 PM > > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > > > I took it years ago and found it to not be all it was cracked up to > be. > > And over the years I have come to the belief that people don't know as > much > > as they think they do and when they set about to isolate ingredients > instead > > of using whole products, you are asking for trouble. What they don't > know > > about how it affects the body long term can be a real problem. Over and > > over I have seen new info come out about isolated products that say, > okay > > now we know that's not a good plan. > > > > > > If you are looking for energy increase and an increase in muscle mass > from > > a whole foods product, rather than an ioslated ingredient, I would > suggest > > pure organic colostrum. > > > > > > With cfs I was unable to exercise and my calf musles became mostly non > > existent. Then I found colostrum and after just a few months of daily > > intake without exercise I had fabulous calf muscles. Many other > benefits, > > of course, but those are other topics. > > > > > > Blessings > > > Donna > > > http://www.excellentthings.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Evely > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM > > > Subject: Creatine > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? > > > I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the > kidneys > > and > > > liver and causes electrolyte imbalance > > > > > > Advice please > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 At 02:24 AM 2/13/03 -0800, you wrote: >And I keep in mind that women in other countries don't experience the kind of meno symptoms that American women do and I try to live a life that is un American in diet and enviroment and it seems to be working. > >Stumbling around in semi darkness, Smile >Donna Have read that before and also that our diets " used " to be higher in progesterone from food. In Dr. Lee's hormone test I found about a year ago before giving up all soy I had signs of low progesterone and high estrogen. That helped along with my more recent increase of fat in my diet. Did write JimDuke when his database didn't turn up sources of progesterone other than wild yam that I knew. Needed the precursor diosgenin. Here's two messages he sent me along with an abstract Lee says thousands of plants contain progesterone. I don't think he's right. Neither does my datbase. Many plants contain diosgenin which the chemist (and some few, perhaps optimistic, think the human body) converts to progesterone. Diosgnein is the chemical precurosor to many hormones including testosterone and progesterone. Most chemists and physiologists say the plants don't make it and the human body does not convert disogenin to progesterone. Dietary legumes and crucifers, formely more important in the diet, are rich in phytoestrogens if not progesterone. Hi Wanita Some more miscellany re progesterone. More re progestins. ?The following abstracts, to me, makes the clover seem better than soy for self medicating women (without being sure whether they are short of pregestin or estrogen), if they are trying (herbally) to get their hormones in balance. I looked up the abstract after readings what Alan Tillostson said re the article. Of 150 herbs tested for estrogen and progesterone activity, only red clover, thyme and turmeric exhibited high levels of both Such a balance of activities might be more beneficial than herbs which exhibit only estrogenic activity. " Progesterone deficiency is as much a problem for menopausal women as estrogen deficiency. " (AKT, 2001). Curried clover here I come!. .. Zava DT, Dollbaum CM, Blen M. 1998. Estrogen and progestin bioactivity of foods, herbs, and spices. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 1998 Mar;217(3):369-78 . In this study we report on the content and bioactivity of plant (phyto) estrogens and progestins in various foods, herbs, and spices, before and after human consumption. Over 150 herbs traditionally used by herbalists for treating a variety of health problems were extracted and tested for their relative capacity to compete with estradiol and progesterone binding to intracellular receptors for progesterone (PR) and estradiol (ER) in intact human breast cancer cells. The six highest ER-binding herbs that are commonly consumed were soy, licorice, red clover, thyme, tumeric, hops, and verbena. The six highest PR-binding herbs and spices commonly consumed were oregano, verbena, tumeric, thyme, red clover and damiana. Some of the herbs and spices found to contain high phytoestrogens and phytoprogestins were further tested for bioactivity based on their ability to regulate cell growth rate in ER (+) and ER (-) breast cancer cell lines and to induce or inhibit the synthesis of alkaline phosphatase, an end product of progesterone action, in PR (+) cells. In general, we found that ER-binding herbal extracts were agonists, much like estradiol, whereas PR-binding extracts, were neutral or antagonists. The bioavailability of phytoestrogens and phytoprogestins in vivo were studied by quantitating the ER-binding and PR- binding capacity of saliva following consumption of soy milk, exogenous progesterone, medroxyprogesterone acetate, or wild mexican yam products containing diosgenin. Soy milk caused a dramatic increase in saliva ER-binding components without a concomitant rise in estradiol. Consumption of PR-binding herbs increased the progestin activity of saliva, but there were marked differences in bioactivity. In summary, we have demonstrated that many of the commonly consumed foods, herbs, and spices contain phytoestrogens and phytoprogestins that act as agonists and antagonists in vivo. PMID9492350 Jianghua Liu, Joanna E. Burdette, Haiyan Xu, Chungang Gu, B. van Breemen, Krishna P. L. Bhat, Booth, s I. Constantinou, M. Pezzuto, Harry H. S. Fong, Norman R. Farnsworth, and Judy L. Bolton. 2001. Evaluation of Estrogenic Activity of Plant Extracts for the Potential Treatment of Menopausal Symptoms. J. Agric. Food Chem. 49(5):2472-2479. Abstract: Eight botanical preparations that are commonly used for the treatment of menopausal symptoms were tested for estrogenic activity. Methanol extracts of red clover (Trifolium pratense L.), chasteberry (Vitex agnus-castus L.), and hops (Humulus lupulus L.) showed significant competitive binding to estrogen receptors alpha (ERalpha) and beta (ERbeta). With cultured Ishikawa (endometrial) cells, red clover and hops exhibited estrogenic activity as indicated by induction of alkaline phosphatase (AP) activity and up-regulation of progesterone receptor (PR) mRNA. Chasteberry also stimulated PR expression, but no induction of AP activity was observed. In S30 breast cancer cells, pS2 (presenelin-2), another estrogen-inducible gene, was up-regulated in the presence of red clover, hops, and chasteberry. Interestingly, extracts of Asian ginseng (Panax ginseng C.A. Meyer) and North American ginseng (Panax quinquefolius L.) induced pS2 mRNA expression in S30 cells, but no significant ER binding affinity, AP induction, or PR expression was noted in Ishikawa cells. Dong quai [ sinensis (Oliv.) Diels] and licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra L.) showed only weak ER binding and PR and pS2 mRNA induction. Black cohosh [Cimicifuga racemosa (L.) Nutt.] showed no activity in any of the above in vitro assays. Bioassay-guided isolation utilizing ER competitive binding as a monitor and screening using ultrafiltration LC-MS revealed that genistein was the most active component of red clover. Consistent with this observation, genistein was found to be the most effective of four red clover isoflavones tested in the above in vitro assays. Therefore, estrogenic components of plant extracts can be identified using assays for estrogenic activity along with screening and identification of the active components using ultrafiltration LC-MS. These data suggest a potential use for some dietary supplements, ingested by human beings, in the treatment of menopausal symptoms. Introduction During the period of menopause and postmenopause, many women experience one or more symptoms such as hot flashes, depression, mood swings, sleeping disorders, vaginal dryness, and joint pain, largely due to a lack of estrogens (1). Hormone replacement therapy has helped to relieve menopausal symptoms; in addition, the risk of osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease, dementia from Alzheimer's disease, and certain types of cancer are reduced (2-5). Epidemiological data show that a diet rich in phytoestrogens, such as those found in soy, reduce the number of hot flashes and the incidence of cancer in Oriental women (6). Since side-effects of traditional estrogen replacement therapy include a slight but significant increase in the risk of developing breast and endometrial cancer (3, 7-10), women are increasingly using herbal remedies as alternative therapy (11-13). Estrogen regulates gene expression by binding to intracellular estrogen receptors (ER), which influence the growth, differentiation, and function of many target tissues. When estrogens bind to an ER, receptor dimerization occurs, which in turn binds to an estrogen-responsive element (ERE) in the DNA of estrogen-sensitive cells (14). Consequently, the ER-ERE complex modulates the transcription of estrogen-regulated target genes, such as the progesterone receptor (PR) and presenelin-2 (pS2), and ultimately stimulates cell growth and differentiation (15). The differences between the two estrogen receptors (ERalpha and ERbeta) include tissue distribution and ligand specificity (16, 17). In the midgestational human fetus, ER is most abundant in the uterus, and smaller quantities have been detected in the ovaries, testes, skin, and gut by semiquantitative reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR). In contrast, high amounts of ERbeta mRNA are present in fetal ovaries, testes, adrenals, and spleen (18). Both ERalpha and ERbeta are coexpressed in the human central nervous system, breast, cardiovascular tissue, and bone (19). Black cohosh [Cimicifuga racemosa (CR)], red clover [Trifolium pratense L. (TP)], hops [Humulus lupulus L. (HL)], and chasteberry [Vitex agnus-castus L. (VA)] are four of the most frequently used herbs in Western countries for menopausal symptoms or premenstrual syndrome (PMS) (6, 20-22). Dong quai [ sinensis (Oliv.) Diels (AS)] is a common Chinese herb used for women's health, and licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra L.) has been reported to have both estrogenic and antiestrogenic activities (23, 24). Several case reports implicate Asian ginseng [Panax ginseng C.A. Meyer (PG)] as a possible candidate for the treatment of menopause (25, 26). In addition, the stimulation of the estrogen-sensitive gene, pS2, by North American ginseng [Panax quinquefolius L. (PQ)] has been shown (27, 28). Dear Dr. Bolton: Interesting your estrogenic evaluation paper in the last issue of JAFC. I regret only that you did not have the soy (and kudzu) in there to compare with the other 8 possibly estrogenic plants you studied. Based on the ERalpha-binding activity, the red clover seems to be ca 5 times more potent than hops and 8 times more potent than chasteberry I am unable to fathom from the data, whether the IC50's of the estrogenic isoflavones in clover, 0.3 uM for genistein, 17 for daidzein, 35 for biochanin, and 104 for formononetin, would suggest that synergy would be indicated by the IC50 for the methanolic extract of the red clover.(5.6 ug/ml) for ERalpha binding activity. I suppose that could be determined if I knew how mcu of each isoflavone was present in the extract But clearly it suggests that the genistein content would be of greatest predictive value for that ERalpha-binding activity. PROGESTERONE Mannan, A and Ahmad, K. 1978. Preliminary study of sex hormones of medical importance in bangladeshi plants. BMRC Bull. 4(2):78- In to me unintelligible units and in an unconvincing paper, these Bangladesh scientist speak of estradiol, progesterone and testosterone in Heliotropium indicum, Phyllanthus biruri, and Synedrela nodiflora. I do not trust their data enough to move it into my database. They quote other sources saying that progesterone has been reported in appleseed but their citation is a bit deficient as well. (Gawienowski, A.M. and Gilbs; C.C. Steroids, 12: 45 1968) (An(A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Just an affirmation here regarding country girl's post. Definitely read Ray's info on progesterone. Also I have worked with women both who have used cream and Ray Peat's Progesterone in Vitamin E oil. And without any question, hands down, no comparison Ray's product is infinitely more successful and useful. Some women have had a hard time finding it, if you can't find it just drop me and email and I'll be happy to send you some. DMM www.cedarcanyonclinic.com mmarasco@... ps- be certain you need progesterone before you use it. Just throwing hormones into your body without excellent reason is not a great idea. --- In , " Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > hmmm... I've read Lee's book > " What your doctor may not tell you about menopause " > and I'm taking the cream he recommends in that book > So... that must be old info aye? > This is building up in my system? > :/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...> > < > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:49 AM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > Hi . I hear ya. You might consider looking up Ray Peats site. He > has an oral progesterone that doesn't build up in the system. I did > progesterone cream " Purgest " (doesn't have any artificial chemicals in it) > for several years at a very low dose and didn't notice anything negative. I > do know women who use large amounts many times a day and don't take a break. > I don't think that is wise. > > > > I always pray and ask for wisdom with these things and it works for me. > > > > Another factor for many women is removing all the things in their home > that increase estrogen. Scented candles, air fragrances, plastic. When > you make your enviroment as natural as you can you will have less high > estrogen and less bone loss. > > > > I have a friend who has had horrific hot flashes. Then she went on > vacation in the woods for a week and didn't have one hot flash. A light > bulb moment. She quit her job at Napa (petroleum products are major > offenders) and her flashed went down by half. She has reduced fake stuff in > home and reduced them further but not completely. > > > > Blessings > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Evely > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:09 PM > > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > > > I am taking natural progest daily > > Then I read " progesterone creams reconsidered " from WAP site > > http://www.westonaprice.org/women/natural_protection.html > > > > man... it's just so hard to know what to do. Whenever you think you are > > doing the right thing along comes something else that contraindicates it > :/ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...> > > < > > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:03 AM > > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > > > > Hi . Yes, I know the basic science behind it. I just didn't get > the > > boost they said I would. That doens't mean that you wouldn't. > > > > > > But, for osteoporosis, progesterone is a major player. And green > foods > > like supergreens. I think I posted here that some people are getting as > > much as 11% increase in bone mass over a year. Seems remarkable to me. > I > > am taking some that a friend sent and I have noticed that I seem to need > > less coral calcium now. ??? Time will tell. > > > > > > Blessings > > > Donna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Evely > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:44 AM > > > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > > > > > > Thank you Donna for your thoughts > > > ~I know isolated is probably not the best thing but the reason I had > > even > > > considered it to begin with is that I read an article on > osteoporosis > > and it > > > said creatine is a very good thing because it increases the fluid > inside > > the > > > muscle cells~ with increased strength could then exercise harder > and > > longer > > > thus putting stress on bones even more and increasing bone mass > even > > more > > > etc. > > > > > > BTW I am 27 years old with osteo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...> > > > < > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > > > > > I took it years ago and found it to not be all it was cracked up > to > > be. > > > And over the years I have come to the belief that people don't know > as > > much > > > as they think they do and when they set about to isolate ingredients > > instead > > > of using whole products, you are asking for trouble. What they > don't > > know > > > about how it affects the body long term can be a real problem. Over > and > > > over I have seen new info come out about isolated products that say, > > okay > > > now we know that's not a good plan. > > > > > > > > If you are looking for energy increase and an increase in muscle > mass > > from > > > a whole foods product, rather than an ioslated ingredient, I would > > suggest > > > pure organic colostrum. > > > > > > > > With cfs I was unable to exercise and my calf musles became mostly > non > > > existent. Then I found colostrum and after just a few months of > daily > > > intake without exercise I had fabulous calf muscles. Many other > > benefits, > > > of course, but those are other topics. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > Donna > > > > http://www.excellentthings.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Evely > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM > > > > Subject: Creatine > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? > > > > I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the > > kidneys > > > and > > > > liver and causes electrolyte imbalance > > > > > > > > Advice please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Hi again. Yes, I used progest for awhile. Then I found Purgest and switched to it because it doesn't have methyl paraben, etc, in it. Purgest has all natural ingredients, aloe vera, bio identical progesterone, grapefruit extract, jojoba oil, natural vit e, ascorbic acid. Compare that with the one you are using and see what you think. The whole point of a progesterone cream is that the body does absorb through the skin. So why be putting artificial chemicals on your skin on a daily basis. If you can avoid it. I think, basically, that supplementing hormones without getting a saliva test is playing russian roulet. No offense to the russians. Smile. But I have had to do that since I haven't had health insurance or private $ to do the testing. So I err on the side of cautious and super under treat myself and try to judge by my symptoms or energy. When I didn't " feel " that the cream was working for me I quit using it and I felt better. Prior to that I felt better on it. And I keep in mind that women in other countries don't experience the kind of meno symptoms that American women do and I try to live a life that is un American in diet and enviroment and it seems to be working. I am 52 and haven't had a hot flash yet, I wondered if the cream was helping me avoid them, but when I quit the cream I didn't have any either. So I am thankful. Stumbling around in semi darkness, Smile Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Evely Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Natural Progesterone hmmm... I've read Lee's book " What your doctor may not tell you about menopause " and I'm taking the cream he recommends in that book So... that must be old info aye? This is building up in my system? :/ ----- Original Message ----- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> < > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:49 AM Subject: Re: Creatine > Hi . I hear ya. You might consider looking up Ray Peats site. He has an oral progesterone that doesn't build up in the system. I did progesterone cream " Purgest " (doesn't have any artificial chemicals in it) for several years at a very low dose and didn't notice anything negative. I do know women who use large amounts many times a day and don't take a break. I don't think that is wise. > > I always pray and ask for wisdom with these things and it works for me. > > Another factor for many women is removing all the things in their home that increase estrogen. Scented candles, air fragrances, plastic. When you make your enviroment as natural as you can you will have less high estrogen and less bone loss. > > I have a friend who has had horrific hot flashes. Then she went on vacation in the woods for a week and didn't have one hot flash. A light bulb moment. She quit her job at Napa (petroleum products are major offenders) and her flashed went down by half. She has reduced fake stuff in home and reduced them further but not completely. > > Blessings > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evely > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > I am taking natural progest daily > Then I read " progesterone creams reconsidered " from WAP site > http://www.westonaprice.org/women/natural_protection.html > > man... it's just so hard to know what to do. Whenever you think you are > doing the right thing along comes something else that contraindicates it :/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> > < > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > Hi . Yes, I know the basic science behind it. I just didn't get the > boost they said I would. That doens't mean that you wouldn't. > > > > But, for osteoporosis, progesterone is a major player. And green foods > like supergreens. I think I posted here that some people are getting as > much as 11% increase in bone mass over a year. Seems remarkable to me. I > am taking some that a friend sent and I have noticed that I seem to need > less coral calcium now. ??? Time will tell. > > > > Blessings > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Evely > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:44 AM > > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > > > Thank you Donna for your thoughts > > ~I know isolated is probably not the best thing but the reason I had > even > > considered it to begin with is that I read an article on osteoporosis > and it > > said creatine is a very good thing because it increases the fluid inside > the > > muscle cells~ with increased strength could then exercise harder and > longer > > thus putting stress on bones even more and increasing bone mass even > more > > etc. > > > > BTW I am 27 years old with osteo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> > > < > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:31 PM > > Subject: Re: Creatine > > > > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > > > I took it years ago and found it to not be all it was cracked up to > be. > > And over the years I have come to the belief that people don't know as > much > > as they think they do and when they set about to isolate ingredients > instead > > of using whole products, you are asking for trouble. What they don't > know > > about how it affects the body long term can be a real problem. Over and > > over I have seen new info come out about isolated products that say, > okay > > now we know that's not a good plan. > > > > > > If you are looking for energy increase and an increase in muscle mass > from > > a whole foods product, rather than an ioslated ingredient, I would > suggest > > pure organic colostrum. > > > > > > With cfs I was unable to exercise and my calf musles became mostly non > > existent. Then I found colostrum and after just a few months of daily > > intake without exercise I had fabulous calf muscles. Many other > benefits, > > of course, but those are other topics. > > > > > > Blessings > > > Donna > > > http://www.excellentthings.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Evely > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 AM > > > Subject: Creatine > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here take creatine for sports training? > > > I was considering taking but someone told me it breaks down the > kidneys > > and > > > liver and causes electrolyte imbalance > > > > > > Advice please > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Natural progesterone, made from naturally occurring plant sterols, is primarily produced from diosgenin found in wild yam (Dioscorea) roots and soybeans. Here is a site for some good reading. http://www.ylcf.org/goodhealth/np-usage.htm Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ Mobile Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I have done a lot of study on " natural progesterone " . I am sure that there are different formulations. The one I use is from Kenogen and is in oil which you rub on your gums to be absorbed through them. 3 drops a day gives you 10 mg. I had previously used natural progesterone cream without any success. The oil progesterone has done wonders for me. I have been taking it for 2 years and have such a feeling of wellbeing and lack of the awful depressions I had before. I have never looked back. I have read that if you look at this progesterone and progesterone from the human body through the microscope you wont find any difference. Our naturopath puts a lot of people on the cream even people with cancer - even men with cancer. From what I understand it opposes estrogen which is usually dominant in most women these days. A friend with breast cancer uses it along with a lot of other things and has seen a marked reduction in her breast tumours probably not because of the progesterone but at least it hasnt accelerated it as your article proposes. She has estrogen dominant breast cancer. When a woman is pregnant their body produces enormous amounts of progesterone. This usually causes a feeling of contentment, better skin, hair and nails. Often when the progesterone abruptly ceases on giving birth the woman goes into post natal depression which I believe could be quickly relieved with doses of natural progesterone. My daughter and my daughter-in-law have both had their PMT greatly reduced. Lots of menopausal friends have had their hot flushes stopped or reduced. I know I am sticking to the Kenogen one which is a bit ignorant of me not to even read the material you are suggesting (most unlike me - I read absolutely everything) but nothing will stop me as whenever I " forget " to take for a week or more I start getting anxiety and not feeling the deep sense of happiness inside that I get when I take it. If anyone wants to get the progesterone oil (I think the website would be www.kenogen)I fax through my orders. It is about $22 for 6-12 weeks supply. Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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