RE: Another Question..................

[Guest guest]

Hi Jina,

It seems that I have always known that the " old " ways were better. Western

medicine doesn't really make sense to me and I don't suppose it ever will.

Other than trauma, I don't really see any reason to see a doctor. Most of

my friends, family and associates do not agree with me and I have accepted

that. I will live as I choose, just as they can.

I am an herbalist and would someday like to be a naturopath even though

right now my life is taking me in another direction. I am also studying to

be a feng shui practitioner.

I am open to private emails as long as they are on the subject.

Thanks

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From: health

[mailto:health ]On Behalf Of Jina

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:08 PM

health

Subject: Another Question..................

What made you (all) turn to alternative medicine (herbals and

everything)? Was there a specific reason? Peace, Jina

[Guest guest]

Mine started years ago with a preminition or insight or whatever you call it that I was supposed to touch alot of peoples lives... back then I didn't understand.. then later my neighbor came down with cancer and my chiro's wife was into herbs... and I learned about essiac... (I knew a little about herbs prior to this, even had an "awakening" dream about being a "shaman"...) well, started making essiac to help the neighbor and one thing led to another.. Have always felt that God left us everything we need to heal ourselves, we just have to find it before man destroys it.

SuziJina <jinajuiliano@...> wrote:

What made you (all) turn to alternative medicine (herbals and everything)? Was there a specific reason? Peace, Jina__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I'm with ....I never trusted that someone else (read: men in white

coats) knew more about my body than I did. I bought tte de Bairacli

Levy's book NATURE'S CHILDREN in 1972 -- long before I ever thought about

having children -- and that really started me on my alternative trail. When

I did have a child, I had a totally natural pregnancy and delivered him in a

birthing center with a midwife and no drugs. Unfortunately, the well baby

clinic talked me into vaccinating him a couple of times before the light

bulb went off and no more vaccinations for him. (Thank goodness he's a

healthy 25yo now! I even managed to get him out of 99% of the vaccinations

they wanted to give him in the Army....told him I was the higher authority

on that one and he always managed to be somewhere else when the shots were

given out.<G> Of course, he was never deployed to some third world country,

either....spent most of his military career in Hawaii.)

I have never had a mammogram, haven't had a yearly gyno exam since I went

off the pill (the pill being one of those

damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't things, since no other method of BC

seemed to work for me) in the late 70's, can count on one hand the number of

times I've visited an allopathic doctor in the past 20 or so years. (I'm

53.)

So I guess the short answer is, it started out instinctive and then

progressed to distrust of the allopathic community, and expanded from there.

Sharyn

P.S. tte also has a book for dogs and cats entitled THE COMPLETE

HERBAL HANDBOOK OF THE DOG AND CAT. I highly recommend it for anyone who

has pets. It addresses diet and just about anything that could go wrong

with an animal. It's on my keeper shelf and highlighted and dog-eared to

death. She's around 90yo now and has traveled all over the world for dozens

of years with her hounds who are all prey-model raw fed and not vaccinated.

> -----Original Message-----

> [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of

> Abbott

>

> Hi Jina,

> It seems that I have always known that the " old " ways were

> better. Western medicine doesn't really make sense to me and

> I don't suppose it ever will.

> Other than trauma, I don't really see any reason to see a

> doctor.

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[Guest guest]

What made you (all) turn to alternative medicine (herbals and everything)? Was there a specific reason?

Well, Jina - We went alternative because I was sick and tired of watching my young children be sick and tired. They were 1 & 3 in 1985 and when I asked the doctor what would happen if I DIDN'T give them yet another antibiotic for a so-called ear infection. His words? "Don't bother coming back to me." I knew right then and there I was finished with the medical guys. And then my father died of colon cancer three weeks after diagnosis and he'd had a "complete" physical only two months prior!!!

My mother died of liver failure and she never drank, but she drank milk, ate a tremendous amount of animal flesh and loved butter. Her doctor told her diet had nothing to do with her fatty liver. She died a horrible, painful death she could have avoided or at least lessened had she cut out the animal products.

All in all our choice came down to education. We started reading and reading and reading some more about the cause of disease and when the md's couldn't answer our questions we sought out naturopaths and even they have an arrogance that sometimes is intolerable.

Health should not be expensive, nor should it be complicated. And as self-employed folks with no medical insurance anyway, we have come to the conclusion the only person to keep me healthy is me. And the only way to make my body well is to make my body well (make sense?).

So here we are in 2005 and my children are 20 & 22, have not had an antibiotic in 20 years, they both have their hearing (doc said they would go deaf from infections), both were cross country runners as vegetarians, both have cholesterol most people think is a fairy tale (have had md friends tell them they are in the top 1/2% for cholesterol health) and neither has had any incidence of depression, pms, or any sort of dysfunction that is affecting so many young people today.

Husband, Joe, is 60 and I am 55. Neither one of us is on any medication whatsoever and have not been in that 20 years. I broke my wrist and the doc said 12 - 16 weeks with maybe surgery and three cast changes. 8 weeks, no surgery and only one cast (from splint to cast). I took exactly 3 pain pills!

I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture. It is my opinion that a body can come to true health ingesting chemicals (that's what a medication is). Nor can a body come to health by eating fake food (pre-packaged, radiated, dead flesh, etc..). And true health can not come without moving your body everyday, resting your body properly or having a spiritual program of some sort.

This might not be the answer you were looking for, but that's what happens when I turn my head loose on an answer about natural healing!!!

Shari

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharyn,

I read your message and you said you have a copy of the Herbal Handbook for Cats & Dogs. Can I ask your opinion about my animal? She is a 19 year old cat and is loosing lots of weight. I constantly fight with my sister about taking her to the vet. I just don't want to impose that human medical experience on my pet. I realize she is probably dying. She is not in pain and does not sleep any more than usual. She is just losing a lot of weight.

My sister thinks it is her thyroid and that she might need either daily medication or radiation treatment. Can you imagine? I would never even agree to taking radiation treatment myself, and there is no way I will put an animal through that. I can feel her energy diminishing and I just want to do what I can with her food to help her maintain her weight. Any ideas? Thanks!

Cheryl

----- Original Message -----

From: Sharyn E. Cerniglia

health

Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:55 AM

Subject: RE: Another Question..................

I'm with ....I never trusted that someone else (read: men in whitecoats) knew more about my body than I did. I bought tte de BairacliLevy's book NATURE'S CHILDREN in 1972 -- long before I ever thought abouthaving children -- and that really started me on my alternative trail. WhenI did have a child, I had a totally natural pregnancy and delivered him in abirthing center with a midwife and no drugs. Unfortunately, the well babyclinic talked me into vaccinating him a couple of times before the lightbulb went off and no more vaccinations for him. (Thank goodness he's ahealthy 25yo now! I even managed to get him out of 99% of the vaccinationsthey wanted to give him in the Army....told him I was the higher authorityon that one and he always managed to be somewhere else when the shots weregiven out.<G> Of course, he was never deployed to some third world country,either....spent most of his military career in Hawaii.)I have never had a mammogram, haven't had a yearly gyno exam since I wentoff the pill (the pill being one of thosedamned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't things, since no other method of BCseemed to work for me) in the late 70's, can count on one hand the number oftimes I've visited an allopathic doctor in the past 20 or so years. (I'm53.)So I guess the short answer is, it started out instinctive and thenprogressed to distrust of the allopathic community, and expanded from there.SharynP.S. tte also has a book for dogs and cats entitled THE COMPLETEHERBAL HANDBOOK OF THE DOG AND CAT. I highly recommend it for anyone whohas pets. It addresses diet and just about anything that could go wrongwith an animal. It's on my keeper shelf and highlighted and dog-eared todeath. She's around 90yo now and has traveled all over the world for dozensof years with her hounds who are all prey-model raw fed and not vaccinated.> -----Original Message-----> [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of > Abbott> > Hi Jina,> It seems that I have always known that the "old" ways were > better. Western medicine doesn't really make sense to me and > I don't suppose it ever will.> Other than trauma, I don't really see any reason to see a > doctor. -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 5/3/2005

[Guest guest]

A raw diet is much better for her... There are several members who are very knowledgeable in this area with pets... they should be answering soon.

SuziCHERYL D JONES <cctux@...> wrote:

Hi Suzi,

My kitty is getting dry food, Wellness brand. I also give her a small can of meat but she just likes to lick the juice from it, she doesn't actually eat the canned food. A little indulgent, I know... Thank you for asking! MobileTake with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

Suzi

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jina

Well, for me, I was almost killed by my at-the-time

doctor. He misdiagnosed and overmedicated me, causing

a plethora of damages to my internal organs, almost

destroying my liver as well. All they wanted to do was

change my meds. Well, I said no. I turned to herbs and

natural methods instead, and have made an almost

complete recovery.

In a nutshell, that's it.

Peace, love, laughter

--- Jina <jinajuiliano@...> wrote:

> What made you (all) turn to alternative medicine

> (herbals and

> everything)? Was there a specific reason? Peace,

> Jina

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, Cheryl....my copy is on my keeper shelf in Pennsylvania and I'm still in Florida for the winter. And I know diddly about cats. At 19yo, though, with no other symptoms than losing weight, I don't think I'd worry too much about it. Nineteen is a ripe old age....cats are carnivores, though, and she should be eating all meat and bones. Something rich in taurine like beef heart would be great for her (raw, of course).

Sharyn

From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of CHERYL D JONES

I read your message and you said you have a copy of the Herbal Handbook for Cats & Dogs.

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[Guest guest]

Cheryl, as I said in my last email, cats are carnivores. Your kitty has no need for dry food at all....it's 99% carbs and they can't digest those.

Sharyn

P.S. May I ask that you trim your posts when you respond? Thanks!

From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of CHERYL D JONES

My kitty is getting dry food, Wellness brand. I also give her a small can of meat but she just likes to lick the juice from it, she doesn't actually eat the canned food.

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