Re: All Vegetarian?

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There are some totally raw, some vegans, some organics (including meat), some working on it.. etc... a little of everyone here. and everyone doing the best they can with what they have available to them both food and money -wise.

Suzi Family <allhaul@...> wrote:

I’d like to get to know you all. Are you all vegetarians?

What do you say about the latest about how much protein we need? In the Shape Works book the advice for a woman is to be sure to be eating 100 grams of protein! Now that would be impossible on just veggies and grains unless I suppose you include lots of soy products. What is everyone’s take on this subject?

April

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I’d like to get to know you all. Are you all vegetarians?

What do you say about the latest about how much protein we need?

Hi April!

I'm a vegetarian but not totally vegan. Some cheese occasionally and also some raw yogurt and a little raw milk. I have never worried, or even thought about protein. I think the protein issue is just a scare tactic that has been spread around to get people to eat meat. I have never heard of anyone who eats a diet of grains, beans and veggies get sick or die from a protein deficiency. (In fact I don't think I've ever heard of ANYONE dying from a protein deficiency).I eat A LOT of grains, beans and veggies and occasionally some fruit (not much), but often go for months without soy or dairy. I haven't eaten any meat, chicken or fish for nearly 30 years and am fine. I personally feel the protein issue has been overrated.

Gloria

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April - don't know about anybody else, but I am raw vegan. Here's what Dr. Cousens says about protein, from his book "Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine":

".....Thirty to fifty percent of two thousand calories a day is 150-250 grams, which is excessive. Twenty to forty grams of protein for a non-pregnant person is appropriate for most constitutions. Protein in foods is not the same as protein in grams. I mention grams, which is exact amount of protein, to make the point more clear. Paavo Airola in his book "Are You Confused?" pointed out ten research papers showing that people did extremely well on just 20 grams of protein a day. The point that I want to make here is that we do not need excess amounts of protein in order to do well with the diet I am talking about. And for sure, we do not need meat or dairy protein. (......these are also high in pathogenic microorangisms as compared to a vegan diet.) Recent research has shown that vegetarian protein more speciffically decreases insulin resistance.

The quality of the raw vegan protein is very high becuase, eating raw, you get double the amount of protein for the same amount of calories. Research at the Max Planck Institute in Germany, for example, shows that when you cook your protein you lose 50% of it in its actual form. This means that 20 grams of live-food protein is equal to 40 grams of cooked protein. In addition, the point is not the amount of protein in grams but the amount of protein to best fill the metabolic production of cellular energy..............A live-food, 30% or more protein diet gives half the calories, avoids the dangers of a diet high in animal products, and gives all the benefits of strength and endurance reported for those who are successful with Zone-type diets."

Shari - with more to follow..............

I’d like to get to know you all. Are you all vegetarians?

What do you say about the latest about how much protein we need? In the Shape Works book the advice for a woman is to be sure to be eating 100 grams of protein! Now that would be impossible on just veggies and grains unless I suppose you include lots of soy products. What is everyone’s take on this subject?

April

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From "Nutrition & Athletic Performance" by Dr. Doug Graham:

"The term protein means, 'to take first place.' Today we understand that alothough protein is involved in the function of every living cell, it would be difficult to argue that protein is any more important than any other necessary nutrient.....

Infants have the highest need for protein per calorie consumed as they demonstrate the fastest rate of growth. The protein density of mother's milk provides us with a faily accurate representation of the high end of human protein needs. Typically, mother's milk provides about 1 to 2% of its calories as protein.....

Meticulous athletes can avoid the harmful effects of cooked proteins by consuming two to six ounces of raw nuts or seeds with their dinner meal."

So there you have it. Every fruit, nut, and vegetable has some protein in it to make the cells of that fruit, nut, or vegetable. A well rounded, varied diet provides all the protein we need. I have read that the average American OVEREATS protein by 150% PER DAY!!!

Shari

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Wow

thank you Shari

That’s

amazing you have gone all raw vegan. I might be ready to go back all vegetarian

which would be a start. I almost am anyway. So, I just have to make a more conscientious

effort of eating properly. I’d like to include way more raw veggies than

before and see how that goes.

April

So there you have it.

Every fruit, nut, and vegetable has some protein in it to make the cells of

that fruit, nut, or vegetable. A well rounded, varied diet provides all

the protein we need. I have read that the average American OVEREATS

protein by 150% PER DAY!!!

Shari

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Meat eaters just think I’m crazy so I just don’t go there!

April,

Every meat eater I talk to asks me "But how do you get your protein???" It's almost like a mantra to them. When I explain that meat is not a great source of protein, but IS a great source of fat they begin to understand it's not all it's cracked up to be. I am also hypoglycemic and have to eat to keep the ol' blood sugar stable. I could never give up beans. They are a wonderful source of protein. I take my lunch to work (things like hummus sandwiches on flat bread with tomato and lettuce) and break it up and munch on it throughout the day. I have been totally off all sweets (sugar, honey, barley malt etc) for 16 days now and I haven't had those blood sugar highs and lows like I used to.

Gloria

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In a message dated 4/15/05 9:27:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, setlikeflint@... writes:

I must have done something wrong in my calculating to get 76.36 grams

I weight 122.

122 divided by 2.2 equals 55.4.

55.4 X .8 equals 44.3. That's how I figured it out.

Gloria

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Gloria said:

"Mine comes to 44 grams. I thought you were supposed to get 56 grams a day or has that figure changed?"

I think in the posting I sent out yesterday it said something about 40 grams or less was good enough.

Shari

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That’s great Gloria

I also have gone 14 days without sugar or

any sweets which would have had white flour. I have just recently read a book

that inspired me to eat a LOT of veggies and fruit again and get off the

sweets. That is why I joined the group. I realized there were probably others

doing the same thing and sharing advice and experiences. I joined several

groups all in one day and have to say this is the group that I was looking for.

One of the groups I joined is basing their diet on Native Americans which includes

raw liver and yuck lots of weird things! I got out of that group!

I have been totally off

all sweets (sugar, honey, barley malt etc) for 16 days now and I haven't had

those blood sugar highs and lows like I used to.

Gloria

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 11:34:30 -0700, Family wrote:

> What do you say about the latest about how much protein we need? In the

> Shape Works book the advice for a woman is to be sure to be eating 100

> grams of protein! Now that would be impossible on just veggies and

For a rough guide multiply your weight in kilos by 0.8 and that gives

you an idea of how many grams of protein you need a day. ( For me that is 48

grams).

This is just a guide and each individual will vary.

Infants need 3 times the amount of protein of adults and children need twice the

amount

of adults.

Persian

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 06:54:22 -0700, Family wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to convert my weight to kilos? My

> weight is 135.

> Thanks, April

>

To get pretty close you divide your weight in pounds by 2.2

Persian

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" We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation

and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feather so badly that,

beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would

depict the devil in human form " - Ralph Inge

" The human body has no more need for cows' milk than it does for dogs' milk,

horses' milk or giraffes' milk. " ~ Klapper, M.D.

" As long as people will shed the blood of innocent creatures there can be no

peace, no liberty, no harmony between people. Slaughter and justice cannot

dwell together " - Isaac Bashevis Singer

" Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are

called medical research " - Bernard Shaw

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Hi,

On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 03:52:56 -0700, Reilly wrote:

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> If I did this right I need 95.45 gms proteain /day. This is what I did

>

> 168/2.2 = 76.38 kl in weight/ .8 gives me 95.45 - that seems kinds high to me.

No that should be 76 kilos x by 0.8 = 60.8 !!!

Persian

" We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation

and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feather so badly that,

beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would

depict the devil in human form " - Ralph Inge

" The human body has no more need for cows' milk than it does for dogs' milk,

horses' milk or giraffes' milk. " ~ Klapper, M.D.

" As long as people will shed the blood of innocent creatures there can be no

peace, no liberty, no harmony between people. Slaughter and justice cannot

dwell together " - Isaac Bashevis Singer

" Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are

called medical research " - Bernard Shaw