Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Thanks . Reilly <setlikeflint@...> wrote: INHO - Alcoholism is a desiease whereby the body is missing a necessary enzyme (alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH)) that breaks down acohol properly into acetaldehyde and then another anzyme, adlehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH), rapidly breaks down acetaldehyde into acetate. In an alcoholic the necessary enzymy prevents this from happening.. A person can abuse alocohol and not be an alcolholic. The enzyme is the key factor here. All the hangover ideas will not work on an alcoholic. I don't know how they affect a normal person. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Interesting indeed.... When I was in treatment, people actually were telling me I couldn't be an alcoholic because I never blacked out, eyes were never bloodshot, etc. Nevertheless, I was and am and still am not a round peg in a round hole (yet have been clean and sober for 13 years) Janelle --- Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> wrote: > > I've come across some interesting articles I will be > posting this week... here is one of them. > > Suzi > > Alcoholism is a chronic disorder in which a person > is unable to refrain from frequent and excessive > consumption of alcohol. > > Signs of Alcoholism (alcoholism symptoms) > > Bloodshot eyes, rapid pulse > > Alcoholics have a puffy face with bloodshot eyes, > hoarse voice and a rapid pulse. They are suspicious, > irritable and over-emotional. > > Vomiting, delirium > > Vomiting, delirium, impaired judgment, and disturbed > sleep are some of the other symptoms that alcoholics > suffer from. Excessive drinking damages the liver > and gradually leads to cirrhosis. It also leads to > disorders of the stomach and bowels. It can cause > damage to the brain cells, and also affects the > heart, which becomes weak and flabby. > > > Causes of Alcoholism > > Occasional drink > > Alcoholism starts with the individual taking an > occasional drink. This gradually becomes a habit and > leads to a state where the person cannot do without > alcohol. Some people drink alcohol to enliven social > gatherings under social pressure; for others, it is > an escape from the responsibilities or stresses of > life. > > > Alcoholism Treatment > > Alcoholism treatment using Grapes > > The most important home remedy for alcoholism is an > exclusive diet, for a month or so, of grapes. Since > this fruit contains the purest form of alcohol, it > is an ideal yet healthy substitute for alcohol. > Alcoholics should take three meals a day of fresh > grapes at five-hourly intervals. The success of this > treatment depends on the determination of the > alcoholic to stop drinking. > > Alcoholism treatment using Apples > > Apples are another effective remedy for alcoholism.A > generous intake of apples helps remove intoxication > and reduces the craving for wines and other > intoxicating liquors. > > Alcoholism treatment using Dates > > Dates are considered beneficial in the treatment of > alcoholism. The patient should drink half a glass of > water in which four or five dates have been rubbed > together. This remedy should be taken twice daily > for a month. It will bring definite relief. > > Alcoholism treatment using Bitter Gourd > > The juice of the leaves of bitter gourd is an > antidote for alcohol intoxication. It is also useful > for a liver damaged due to alcoholism. Three > teaspoons of this juice, mixed with a glass of > butter milk, should be taken every morning for a > month. > > Alcoholism treatment using Celery > > The juice of raw celery has also been found useful > in alcoholism. It exercises a sobering effect on the > patient and is an antidote to alcohol. Half a glass > of celery juice mixed with an equal quantity of > water should be taken once daily for a month. > > > Diet for alcoholism recovery > > Build up body's nutritional integrity, juice fast > > The most effective way to treat alcoholism is to > build up the body's nutritional integrity so as to > prevent craving for stimulants like drinks. The > patient should be put on a cleansing juice fast for > at least ten days in the beginning. During the juice > fast, the patient will gradually feel less craving > for alcohol. This is a good beginning towards > breaking the drinking habit.The patient should eat > several small meals a day in preference to two or > three large ones. Plenty of rest and outdoor > physical exercises are also necessary. > > Optimum diet and fresh fruit juice > > After the initial fast of juices, the patient should > take an optimum diet of vital nutrients consisting > of wholegrain cereals, nuts, seeds and sprouts, > fresh fruits, and vegetables. It is advisable that > at the beginning of the treatment, the patient is > given a suitable substitute to relieve the craving > if and when it occurs. The best substitute drink for > alcohol is a glass of fresh fruit juice. The patient > should drink juices and eat candy or other snacks if > he feels a craving for a stimulant. > > Avoid refined foods > > All refined foods such as sugar, white rice, > macaroni products, strong condiments, white flour, > and meat should be avoided. > > > Other suggstions and herbal treatments for > alcoholism > > Firm willingness of alcoholic to stop drinking > > The most important step towards breaking the > 'alcohol habit' is the willingness of an alcoholic > to do so. He must make a firm resolve to make a > clean break at once, as giving up in stages is next > to impossible. > > Warm-water enema and physical exercises > > During the first ten days of the 'juice fast', a > warm-water enema should be taken everyday to cleanse > the bowels. Plenty of rest and outdoor physical > exercises are also necessary. > > Avoid smoking > > Smoking must be avoided as it increases the desire > for alcohol. > > > > --------------------------------- > Discover > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. > Check it out! __________________________________ Discover Use to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 We,, I was told that it doesn't matter how much or how often BUT what it does to you when you drink.' ' mJanelle Witter <janellewitter@...> wrote: Interesting indeed....When I was in treatment, people actually were tellingme I couldn't be an alcoholic because I never blackedout, eyes were never bloodshot, etc. Nevertheless, Iwas and am and still am not a round peg in a roundhole (yet have been clean and sober for 13 years) Janelle--- Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> wrote:> > I've come across some interesting articles I will be> posting this week... here is one of them.> > Suzi> > Alcoholism is a chronic disorder in which a person> is unable to refrain from frequent and excessive> consumption of alcohol.> > Signs of Alcoholism (alcoholism symptoms)> > Bloodshot eyes, rapid pulse> > Alcoholics have a puffy face with bloodshot eyes,> hoarse voice and a rapid pulse. They are suspicious,> irritable and over-emotional. > > Vomiting, delirium> > Vomiting, delirium, impaired judgment, and disturbed> sleep are some of the other symptoms that alcoholics> suffer from. Excessive drinking damages the liver> and gradually leads to cirrhosis. It also leads to> disorders of the stomach and bowels. It can cause> damage to the brain cells, and also affects the> heart, which becomes weak and flabby. > > > Causes of Alcoholism> > Occasional drink> > Alcoholism starts with the individual taking an> occasional drink. This gradually becomes a habit and> leads to a state where the person cannot do without> alcohol. Some people drink alcohol to enliven social> gatherings under social pressure; for others, it is> an escape from the responsibilities or stresses of> life. > > > Alcoholism Treatment> > Alcoholism treatment using Grapes> > The most important home remedy for alcoholism is an> exclusive diet, for a month or so, of grapes. Since> this fruit contains the purest form of alcohol, it> is an ideal yet healthy substitute for alcohol.> Alcoholics should take three meals a day of fresh> grapes at five-hourly intervals. The success of this> treatment depends on the determination of the> alcoholic to stop drinking. > > Alcoholism treatment using Apples> > Apples are another effective remedy for alcoholism.A> generous intake of apples helps remove intoxication> and reduces the craving for wines and other> intoxicating liquors. > > Alcoholism treatment using Dates> > Dates are considered beneficial in the treatment of> alcoholism. The patient should drink half a glass of> water in which four or five dates have been rubbed> together. This remedy should be taken twice daily> for a month. It will bring definite relief. > > Alcoholism treatment using Bitter Gourd> > The juice of the leaves of bitter gourd is an> antidote for alcohol intoxication. It is also useful> for a liver damaged due to alcoholism. Three> teaspoons of this juice, mixed with a glass of> butter milk, should be taken every morning for a> month. > > Alcoholism treatment using Celery> > The juice of raw celery has also been found useful> in alcoholism. It exercises a sobering effect on the> patient and is an antidote to alcohol. Half a glass> of celery juice mixed with an equal quantity of> water should be taken once daily for a month. > > > Diet for alcoholism recovery> > Build up body's nutritional integrity, juice fast> > The most effective way to treat alcoholism is to> build up the body's nutritional integrity so as to> prevent craving for stimulants like drinks. The> patient should be put on a cleansing juice fast for> at least ten days in the beginning. During the juice> fast, the patient will gradually feel less craving> for alcohol. This is a good beginning towards> breaking the drinking habit.The patient should eat> several small meals a day in preference to two or> three large ones. Plenty of rest and outdoor> physical exercises are also necessary. > > Optimum diet and fresh fruit juice> > After the initial fast of juices, the patient should> take an optimum diet of vital nutrients consisting> of wholegrain cereals, nuts, seeds and sprouts,> fresh fruits, and vegetables. It is advisable that> at the beginning of the treatment, the patient is> given a suitable substitute to relieve the craving> if and when it occurs. The best substitute drink for> alcohol is a glass of fresh fruit juice. The patient> should drink juices and eat candy or other snacks if> he feels a craving for a stimulant. > > Avoid refined foods> > All refined foods such as sugar, white rice,> macaroni products, strong condiments, white flour,> and meat should be avoided. > > > Other suggstions and herbal treatments for> alcoholism> > Firm willingness of alcoholic to stop drinking> > The most important step towards breaking the> 'alcohol habit' is the willingness of an alcoholic> to do so. He must make a firm resolve to make a> clean break at once, as giving up in stages is next> to impossible. > > Warm-water enema and physical exercises> > During the first ten days of the 'juice fast', a> warm-water enema should be taken everyday to cleanse> the bowels. Plenty of rest and outdoor physical> exercises are also necessary. > > Avoid smoking> > Smoking must be avoided as it increases the desire> for alcohol. > > > > ---------------------------------> Discover > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more.> Check it out! __________________________________ Discover Use to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Morning , Hope you are well and smiling today. OK I will settle for the well part Can you possibly elaborate more on the statement you just posted please? OK so is this saying that I can drink a couple of bottles of booze a day and it keeps me like my usual happy self, then I do not have a problem? Personally I happen to love beer. When my guyfriend is here on the weekends we drink quite a bit. No ill effects at all. However, give me vodka and all the emotions and characteristics that I do not believe in, come flooding out. So, does that make me an alcoholic? For this reason alone, I stay clear from vodka. I had too many incidents where I caused others' pain and that is not ME. Just wanted to say that I do NOT drink the stuff. Just wondering. I was married to an alcoholic. On the surface he is a wonderful citizen. Has a great job working for a major pharmacuetical company and has also been honored for his perfect attendance. Has a huge lovely home. Cars, boats and so on. Point is that I know alcoholism from living with it. It also ran on my Mother's side of the family.NOT my Mother though. I really did just want to know what you meant without going into a novel here lol sorry bout' that Thankyou!! Have a blessed and beautiful day Toni We,, I was told that it doesn't matter how much or how often BUT what it does to you when you drink.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Yes, we are predisposed to either be alcoholic or not. The crucial enzyme I mentioned earlier is the key that unlocks that answer. Nwer technology will prove this out. mary <deuteronomy2929@...> wrote: That's a topic we brought up in our "sub-group". Arewe predisposed to be alcoholics? What exactly do weindividually think is an alcoholic? Is it nature? Isit nurture? What is the difference (if there is one)between an alcohol user, an alcohol abuser and analcoholic?Peace, love, laughter--- Toni <tone102@...> wrote:> Morning ,> > Hope you are well and smiling today. OK I will> settle for the well part > > Can you possibly elaborate more on the statement you> just posted please?> > OK so is this saying that I can drink a couple of> bottles of booze a day and it keeps me like my usual> happy self, then I do not have a problem?> > Personally I happen to love beer. When my guyfriend> is here on the weekends we drink quite a bit. No ill> effects at all. However, give me vodka and all the> emotions and characteristics that I do not believe> in, come flooding out. So, does that make me an> alcoholic? For this reason alone, I stay clear from> vodka. I had too many incidents where I caused> others' pain and that is not ME. Just wanted to say> that I do NOT drink the stuff.> > Just wondering.> I was married to an alcoholic. On the surface he is> a wonderful citizen. Has a great job working for a> major pharmacuetical company and has also been> honored for his perfect attendance. Has a huge> lovely home. Cars, boats and so on.> Point is that I know alcoholism from living with it.> It also ran on my Mother's side of the family.NOT my> Mother though.> > I really did just want to know what you meant> without going into a novel here lol sorry bout'> that > > Thankyou!!> > Have a blessed and beautiful day> Toni __________________________________ Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover./mobile.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I remember being told by my doctors that I would die, that medical science found out all they needed to know, and there was basically no hope. I have had a " miraculous " recovery, even the doctors cannot to this day explain it. I have little faith in what " technology " and " science " can do for us or say to us. I am not saying that there is not something in our genes (HUSH GUIDO!!!) that may predispose us to certain behaviours. However, I believe that we are all created in a Divine Image, and our very fallen natures can be changed in a heartbeat, or in a lifetime, to be more in line with that Divine Image. Just my personal beliefs on this topic. Sharing what " has worked " for me. Peace, love, laughter --- Reilly <setlikeflint@...> wrote: > Yes, we are predisposed to either be alcoholic or > not. The crucial enzyme I mentioned earlier is the > key that unlocks that answer. Nwer technology will > prove this out. > > mary __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 What is the difference (if there is one) between an alcohol user, an alcohol abuser and an alcoholic? I think there is a psychological and physiological difference. In college I drank all the time. That was the thing to do. I never had blackouts, never drank to the point of getting sick (I knew when to stop) and didn't drink and drive. I had control. I would say I was an alcohol user and sometimes borderline abuser. When I got out of school I just pretty much stopped the every weekend drinking and didn't think anything of it. From what I understand, alcoholics can't do that. They have a programmed (usually genetic) addiction. Some need it everyday, some need it once a month, but once they start, they don't control the alcohol...it controls them. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 We,, I was told that it doesn't matter how much or how often BUT what it does to you when you drink.' I think that is one of the key signs that most people don't understand. I've heard people say "I'm not an alcoholic. I still go to work everyday". I've known alcoholics that never, ever drink at home. I know an alcoholic that has one lone drink each night before she goes to bed (but she has to have that one every night). These people have all ended up in treatment at one time or another. Sometimes it takes a professional to really uncover whether the person is an addict or not. It's what it does to them when they have that drink. The falling down, always loaded drunk is a stereotype but not reality. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Here is some info from a site I stumbled across http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/faq/q-a.htm What is alcoholism? Alcoholism, also known as alcohol dependence, is a disease that includes the following four symptoms: - Craving--A strong need, or urge, to drink. - Loss of control--Not being able to stop drinking once drinking has begun. - Physical dependence--Withdrawal symptoms, such as nausea, sweating, shakiness, and anxiety after stopping drinking. - Tolerance--The need to drink greater amounts of alcohol to get "high." Is alcoholism a disease? Yes, alcoholism is a disease. The craving that an alcoholic feels for alcohol can be as strong as the need for food or water. An alcoholic will continue to drink despite serious family, health, or legal problems. Like many other diseases, alcoholism is chronic, meaning that it lasts a person's lifetime; it usually follows a predictable course; and it has symptoms. The risk for developing alcoholism is influenced both by a person's genes and by his or her lifestyle. Is alcoholism inherited? Research shows that the risk for developing alcoholism does indeed run in families. The genes a person inherits partially explain this pattern, but lifestyle is also a factor. Currently, researchers are working to discover the actual genes that put people at risk for alcoholism. Your friends, the amount of stress in your life, and how readily available alcohol is also are factors that may increase your risk for alcoholism. But remember: Risk is not destiny. Just because alcoholism tends to run in families doesn't mean that a child of an alcoholic parent will automatically become an alcoholic too. Some people develop alcoholism even though no one in their family has a drinking problem. By the same token, not all children of alcoholic families get into trouble with alcohol. Knowing you are at risk is important, though, because then you can take steps to protect yourself from developing problems with alcohol. Can alcoholism be cured? No, alcoholism cannot be cured at this time. Even if an alcoholic hasn't been drinking for a long time, he or she can still suffer a relapse. To guard against a relapse, an alcoholic must continue to avoid all alcoholic beverages. Q #5: Can alcoholism be treated? Yes, alcoholism can be treated. Alcoholism treatment programs use both counseling and medications to help a person stop drinking. Most alcoholics need help to recover from their disease. With support and treatment, many people are able to stop drinking and rebuild their lives. Do you have to be an alcoholic to experience problems? No. Alcoholism is only one type of an alcohol problem. Alcohol abuse can be just as harmful. A person can abuse alcohol without actually being an alcoholic--that is, he or she may drink too much and too often but still not be dependent on alcohol. Some of the problems linked to alcohol abuse include not being able to meet work, school, or family responsibilities; drunk-driving arrests and car crashes; and drinking-related medical conditions. Under some circumstances, even social or moderate drinking is dangerous--for example, when driving, during pregnancy, or when taking certain medications Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 If you believe that you will never be cured of a dis-ease, then you will never be cured So so true. Beliefs have tremendous power in healing or lack of it. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 You are absolutely right. And another concept is that there are some alcoholics who are unable to be honest with themselves.. Those are the ones who bounce in and out, or die drunk. maryMorningGlory113@... wrote: We,, I was told that it doesn't matter how much or how often BUT what it does to you when you drink.' I think that is one of the key signs that most people don't understand. I've heard people say "I'm not an alcoholic. I still go to work everyday". I've known alcoholics that never, ever drink at home. I know an alcoholic that has one lone drink each night before she goes to bed (but she has to have that one every night). These people have all ended up in treatment at one time or another. Sometimes it takes a professional to really uncover whether the person is an addict or not. It's what it does to them when they have that drink. The falling down, always loaded drunk is a stereotype but not reality.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 The thing that worked for me was one day at a time, or one drink at a time. Just slow and easy, and remember if they do take a drink they are not drunks, they just slipped this one time. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, CaliforniaCheck out our SALE PAGE at www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.htmlA day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine!goatclearing@... http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.htmlThere is no failure except in no longer trying. Elbert Hubbard ----- Original Message ----- From: Flo health Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: alcoholism anyone have any experience with alcoholics, and helping them keep the strength to partake no more? I know there are things that are supposed to quell the desire to drink, but which ones ^~really~ work. Thanks, Flo Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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