Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Hi Kathy...I too am Agoraphobic with panic disorder,Bipolar with hypo mania,adhd,co dependant,blahblahblah. I really don't want to say this in an herbal list,but I am on meds that help me go out and get things done. You are also a prime candidate for SSI...I am on it because these are deemed mental disorders. Please try to get a psychiatrist to talk to,you'll be evaluated (easy) and off you go! Within 2 month's I had my SSI. Good luck,and write to me any time since we have a shared disorder lol. Karly On 7/1/05, Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I am in Canada. I try to stay possitive but around here I am not allowed to (as you can see I'm having a bad day today) I tried to stand up for myself and promptly got knocked on my butt (verbaly) so I am having one of those days were I just want to give up because I am not strong enough to fight....The harder I fight the harder others fight....and they are much healthier and stronger in every way. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100 www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I can understand you missing your friend who died, but still you have to go on for your hubby and son. That was a few years AGO. Now you have Walkman to hear uplifting positive messages or praises. Eventually you are going to need batteries. Are you in USA? Can get rechargeable batteries as a heads up. Vision: isn't there something that speaks to you and you speak to it..voice activated? I know you have legitimate concerns, but there is a time that you have to just stop, reflect and move and force yourself forward. My pastor would tell you to " get out of your diapers " or " stop wanting the " pastor feed me, feed me, feed me mentality " when it's up to us to change. You can do it. It's tough, but with this group, now that you are very transparent and some of us are not that way do you want to change? Are you comfortable living this way? Are you feeling like a victim or prisoner? Please, I am not here to judge your decisions but help bump you up in your thinking. Do you listen to positive tapes? Do you speak to yourself with " I CAN DO IT? " Sometimes you may be only way to do that for you. Embrace self and even give yourself a hug. Well, off to continue task at hand, but I'm here without judging you, but hoping we can see you move forward as a group. What a great testimony that would be. You do have a role in the plan to ACT if you want to see results--even if its baby steps. It's still steps towards going on. Ultimatedly are you comfortable living this way? I don't need answer, but something to think about. Hang in. You can do it!!! carol.......your largest family may be just here to cheer you on too!Kathy L <angeldestiny@... > wrote: Other than my hubby and kids, there is only my mom. I have read a few books on the subject but the problem is that my eyes have been acting up so that I cannot read with my glasses any more and reading without them causes my headaches to be worse and my eyes start to water really bad. I am able to read the computer because the print is larger and have started ordering books on tape though. ...need to find the time to listen to them now. Actually I couldn't find my walkman till last night so I am going to try to listen for a while after going to bed. Guess I need a full body overhaul....just cannot afford it right now......lol. I actually did have a counsellor who came out and it helped a lot. We became friends with him and his wife. Unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago and I am still having a problem dealing with that. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100 www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I understand you are bound to the house, but can someone have tapes/videos/books to borrow shipped or purchased for you? Perhaps a governmental agency helps with people such as you. Here, USA, I would start with Social Services--medicaid/medicare or such agencies. Perhaps library can send in materials for you to borrow and send back. Any friends near by? Family? For me that was the beginning of my spiritual journey when I found out I can't help myself so I found another route. I still struggle in my own walk, but got more peace then before. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I know.....I posted in another message. I cannot go out to get help because I am agorophobic and only go out to medical appointments but have to be sedated to go. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100 www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: MorningGlory113@... health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Nature's Calmers; dental talk too... I have been trying to get help but they all want me to go there and I an unable to go out unless sedated, so that won't work. I meant professional help for the panic you experience when someone comes near your face.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Karly, Great testimony. Hi Kathy, Don't let others pull you down. Don't allow them to verbally beat you up. I assume you are talking about your living conditions--hubby/son. Do you have another avenue for living? Famly/friends. You are not alone. Have you tried calling any mental health agencies to meet with someone even though you are agorapobic. I remember, if interested, not trying to be preachy of a woman who was bipolar, with other problems adopted the hallelujah diet and away her problems went. It does take time of course so Rome wasn't built in a day I'm trying to say. Ask Shari or myself about it as we are both health ministers. Whoever you choose to talk with, we are both health ministers for them. Just use one of us as it's our free time and we reap mainly satisfaction more than monetary values. Feel well and I am here for you! There is a DIAMOND inside you. Hang in--we all need each other. Love, carol Karly Gray <karly.gray@...> wrote: Hi Kathy...I too am Agoraphobic with panic disorder,Bipolar with hypo mania,adhd,co dependant,blahblahblah. I really don't want to say this in an herbal list,but I am on meds that help me go out and get things done. You are also a prime candidate for SSI...I am on it because these are deemed mental disorders. Please try to get a psychiatrist to talk to,you'll be evaluated (easy) and off you go! Within 2 month's I had my SSI. Good luck,and write to me any time since we have a shared disorder lol. Karly On 7/1/05, Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I am in Canada. I try to stay possitive but around here I am not allowed to (as you can see I'm having a bad day today) I tried to stand up for myself and promptly got knocked on my butt (verbaly) so I am having one of those days were I just want to give up because I am not strong enough to fight....The harder I fight the harder others fight....and they are much healthier and stronger in every way. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I can understand you missing your friend who died, but still you have to go on for your hubby and son. That was a few years AGO. Now you have Walkman to hear uplifting positive messages or praises. Eventually you are going to need batteries. Are you in USA? Can get rechargeable batteries as a heads up. Vision: isn't there something that speaks to you and you speak to it..voice activated? I know you have legitimate concerns, but there is a time that you have to just stop, reflect and move and force yourself forward. My pastor would tell you to "get out of your diapers" or "stop wanting the "pastor feed me, feed me, feed me mentality" when it's up to us to change. You can do it. It's tough, but with this group, now that you are very transparent and some of us are not that way do you want to change? Are you comfortable living this way? Are you feeling like a victim or prisoner? Please, I am not here to judge your decisions but help bump you up in your thinking. Do you listen to positive tapes? Do you speak to yourself with "I CAN DO IT?" Sometimes you may be only way to do that for you. Embrace self and even give yourself a hug. Well, off to continue task at hand, but I'm here without judging you, but hoping we can see you move forward as a group. What a great testimony that would be. You do have a role in the plan to ACT if you want to see results--even if its baby steps. It's still steps towards going on. Ultimatedly are you comfortable living this way? I don't need answer, but something to think about. Hang in. You can do it!!! carol.......your largest family may be just here to cheer you on too!Kathy L <angeldestiny@... > wrote: Other than my hubby and kids, there is only my mom. I have read a few books on the subject but the problem is that my eyes have been acting up so that I cannot read with my glasses any more and reading without them causes my headaches to be worse and my eyes start to water really bad. I am able to read the computer because the print is larger and have started ordering books on tape though. ...need to find the time to listen to them now. Actually I couldn't find my walkman till last night so I am going to try to listen for a while after going to bed. Guess I need a full body overhaul....just cannot afford it right now......lol. I actually did have a counsellor who came out and it helped a lot. We became friends with him and his wife. Unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago and I am still having a problem dealing with that. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I understand you are bound to the house, but can someone have tapes/videos/books to borrow shipped or purchased for you? Perhaps a governmental agency helps with people such as you. Here, USA, I would start with Social Services--medicaid/medicare or such agencies. Perhaps library can send in materials for you to borrow and send back. Any friends near by? Family? For me that was the beginning of my spiritual journey when I found out I can't help myself so I found another route. I still struggle in my own walk, but got more peace then before. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I know.....I posted in another message. I cannot go out to get help because I am agorophobic and only go out to medical appointments but have to be sedated to go. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: MorningGlory113@... health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Nature's Calmers; dental talk too... I have been trying to get help but they all want me to go there and I an unable to go out unless sedated, so that won't work. I meant professional help for the panic you experience when someone comes near your face.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 It's no ramble. We are here for you. Email me too if you ever need that. Feel well. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I hardly ever go out...it just isn't worth the aggrivation a few days and sometimes weeks before....although if the other stresses would settle, it might make tackling this easier. I can't see that happening any time soon though. Somehow I need to get healthier and stronger in order to take care of the things that are causing stress around here, but it seems like people around me sabotogue it at times. I think subcontiously they don't wnat me to get better because they know that things will change drastically.....but I have to do something because I feel dead inside a lot of the time. I have tried to get someone to pick up the things suggested to me here but most things seem to be too expensive....and since I have a lot of health issues we would need to be rich I think. At least the meds are covered by disability. Sorry for the book and the ramble.....just very frustrated at the moment. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Karly Gray health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Re: agorophobic Hi Kathy...I too am Agoraphobic with panic disorder,Bipolar with hypo mania,adhd,co dependant,blahblahblah. I really don't want to say this in an herbal list,but I am on meds that help me go out and get things done. You are also a prime candidate for SSI...I am on it because these are deemed mental disorders. Please try to get a psychiatrist to talk to,you'll be evaluated (easy) and off you go! Within 2 month's I had my SSI. Good luck,and write to me any time since we have a shared disorder lol. Karly On 7/1/05, Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I am in Canada. I try to stay possitive but around here I am not allowed to (as you can see I'm having a bad day today) I tried to stand up for myself and promptly got knocked on my butt (verbaly) so I am having one of those days were I just want to give up because I am not strong enough to fight....The harder I fight the harder others fight....and they are much healthier and stronger in every way. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I can understand you missing your friend who died, but still you have to go on for your hubby and son. That was a few years AGO. Now you have Walkman to hear uplifting positive messages or praises. Eventually you are going to need batteries. Are you in USA? Can get rechargeable batteries as a heads up. Vision: isn't there something that speaks to you and you speak to it..voice activated? I know you have legitimate concerns, but there is a time that you have to just stop, reflect and move and force yourself forward. My pastor would tell you to "get out of your diapers" or "stop wanting the "pastor feed me, feed me, feed me mentality" when it's up to us to change. You can do it. It's tough, but with this group, now that you are very transparent and some of us are not that way do you want to change? Are you comfortable living this way? Are you feeling like a victim or prisoner? Please, I am not here to judge your decisions but help bump you up in your thinking. Do you listen to positive tapes? Do you speak to yourself with "I CAN DO IT?" Sometimes you may be only way to do that for you. Embrace self and even give yourself a hug. Well, off to continue task at hand, but I'm here without judging you, but hoping we can see you move forward as a group. What a great testimony that would be. You do have a role in the plan to ACT if you want to see results--even if its baby steps. It's still steps towards going on. Ultimatedly are you comfortable living this way? I don't need answer, but something to think about. Hang in. You can do it!!! carol.......your largest family may be just here to cheer you on too!Kathy L <angeldestiny@... > wrote: Other than my hubby and kids, there is only my mom. I have read a few books on the subject but the problem is that my eyes have been acting up so that I cannot read with my glasses any more and reading without them causes my headaches to be worse and my eyes start to water really bad. I am able to read the computer because the print is larger and have started ordering books on tape though. ...need to find the time to listen to them now. Actually I couldn't find my walkman till last night so I am going to try to listen for a while after going to bed. Guess I need a full body overhaul....just cannot afford it right now......lol. I actually did have a counsellor who came out and it helped a lot. We became friends with him and his wife. Unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago and I am still having a problem dealing with that. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I understand you are bound to the house, but can someone have tapes/videos/books to borrow shipped or purchased for you? Perhaps a governmental agency helps with people such as you. Here, USA, I would start with Social Services--medicaid/medicare or such agencies. Perhaps library can send in materials for you to borrow and send back. Any friends near by? Family? For me that was the beginning of my spiritual journey when I found out I can't help myself so I found another route. I still struggle in my own walk, but got more peace then before. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I know.....I posted in another message. I cannot go out to get help because I am agorophobic and only go out to medical appointments but have to be sedated to go. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: MorningGlory113@... health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Nature's Calmers; dental talk too... I have been trying to get help but they all want me to go there and I an unable to go out unless sedated, so that won't work. I meant professional help for the panic you experience when someone comes near your face.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Hi Carol, No such place in this house...there are 6 of us (sometimes 7 when my son comes) and my computer is in the diningroom. I need to use my computer for my business...although I haven't had much energy to work much at it. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Hi Kathy, Are you able to keep yourself in an area at home where you don't have to be subjected to the verbal abuse? I'm probably thinking a place where you can have privacy, come out for meals or cook, and then get yourself back into your own world--positive readings, tapes, music and get your "self" shaking it off. Best to you of course. My prayers continue to be with you. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: Thank you, It is really hard to ignore when you live in it all day every day. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Re: agorophobic Karly, Great testimony. Hi Kathy, Don't let others pull you down. Don't allow them to verbally beat you up. I assume you are talking about your living conditions--hubby/son. Do you have another avenue for living? Famly/friends. You are not alone. Have you tried calling any mental health agencies to meet with someone even though you are agorapobic. I remember, if interested, not trying to be preachy of a woman who was bipolar, with other problems adopted the hallelujah diet and away her problems went. It does take time of course so Rome wasn't built in a day I'm trying to say. Ask Shari or myself about it as we are both health ministers. Whoever you choose to talk with, we are both health ministers for them. Just use one of us as it's our free time and we reap mainly satisfaction more than monetary values. Feel well and I am here for you! There is a DIAMOND inside you. Hang in--we all need each other. Love, carol Karly Gray <karly.gray@...> wrote: Hi Kathy...I too am Agoraphobic with panic disorder,Bipolar with hypo mania,adhd,co dependant,blahblahblah. I really don't want to say this in an herbal list,but I am on meds that help me go out and get things done. You are also a prime candidate for SSI...I am on it because these are deemed mental disorders. Please try to get a psychiatrist to talk to,you'll be evaluated (easy) and off you go! Within 2 month's I had my SSI. Good luck,and write to me any time since we have a shared disorder lol. Karly On 7/1/05, Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I am in Canada. I try to stay possitive but around here I am not allowed to (as you can see I'm having a bad day today) I tried to stand up for myself and promptly got knocked on my butt (verbaly) so I am having one of those days were I just want to give up because I am not strong enough to fight....The harder I fight the harder others fight....and they are much healthier and stronger in every way. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I can understand you missing your friend who died, but still you have to go on for your hubby and son. That was a few years AGO. Now you have Walkman to hear uplifting positive messages or praises. Eventually you are going to need batteries. Are you in USA? Can get rechargeable batteries as a heads up. Vision: isn't there something that speaks to you and you speak to it..voice activated? I know you have legitimate concerns, but there is a time that you have to just stop, reflect and move and force yourself forward. My pastor would tell you to "get out of your diapers" or "stop wanting the "pastor feed me, feed me, feed me mentality" when it's up to us to change. You can do it. It's tough, but with this group, now that you are very transparent and some of us are not that way do you want to change? Are you comfortable living this way? Are you feeling like a victim or prisoner? Please, I am not here to judge your decisions but help bump you up in your thinking. Do you listen to positive tapes? Do you speak to yourself with "I CAN DO IT?" Sometimes you may be only way to do that for you. Embrace self and even give yourself a hug. Well, off to continue task at hand, but I'm here without judging you, but hoping we can see you move forward as a group. What a great testimony that would be. You do have a role in the plan to ACT if you want to see results--even if its baby steps. It's still steps towards going on. Ultimatedly are you comfortable living this way? I don't need answer, but something to think about. Hang in. You can do it!!! carol.......your largest family may be just here to cheer you on too!Kathy L <angeldestiny@... > wrote: Other than my hubby and kids, there is only my mom. I have read a few books on the subject but the problem is that my eyes have been acting up so that I cannot read with my glasses any more and reading without them causes my headaches to be worse and my eyes start to water really bad. I am able to read the computer because the print is larger and have started ordering books on tape though. ...need to find the time to listen to them now. Actually I couldn't find my walkman till last night so I am going to try to listen for a while after going to bed. Guess I need a full body overhaul....just cannot afford it right now......lol. I actually did have a counsellor who came out and it helped a lot. We became friends with him and his wife. Unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago and I am still having a problem dealing with that. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I understand you are bound to the house, but can someone have tapes/videos/books to borrow shipped or purchased for you? Perhaps a governmental agency helps with people such as you. Here, USA, I would start with Social Services--medicaid/medicare or such agencies. Perhaps library can send in materials for you to borrow and send back. Any friends near by? Family? For me that was the beginning of my spiritual journey when I found out I can't help myself so I found another route. I still struggle in my own walk, but got more peace then before. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I know.....I posted in another message. I cannot go out to get help because I am agorophobic and only go out to medical appointments but have to be sedated to go. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: MorningGlory113@... health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Nature's Calmers; dental talk too... I have been trying to get help but they all want me to go there and I an unable to go out unless sedated, so that won't work. I meant professional help for the panic you experience when someone comes near your face.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 would also like to try the cayenne on my son and see how it does with his heart defect but not sure if tincture or powder is better for that. I would say the tincture. You can put the powder in water and he can drink it, but the tincture is much stronger (and hotter!) and will do the job quicker. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 We have 4 computers( hubby works with computers and people gave a couple of them to us for the kids because they would fight over them so much) and they are all networked so they cannot be too far apart (well they could but it would be more expensive) my computer and hubby's are in the diningroom....the little kids small computer is in the livingroom and the teens computer is down the basement. I have to stay around or the kids get the yelling.....I make it turn around to me instead....or have to referee...besides...if he is mad enough he just follows me. I cannot be away....not even for a bath. the 2 youngest are usually in the tub with me as soon as I get washed. like I said before....I need to find a way to get myself healthy so I can deal with life. I am so sore and tired all the time because of the health problems that I can't do anything constructive to fix things. That is the main reason I joined here but it doesn't help if I cannot get the items that everyone suggests...so I am going to try to go about it another way and see if my mom can look for me and find things that I can afford. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, Do you alone use computer? If so, then your room, or find private place so you are not among the whole "tribe" but have some solo "play" time. If not, maybe they can still move it in a corner of the table or find another table to put it on away from the crowd. Is the whole crowd verbally abusive?????????? carol........................curious carol.......may some role playing here with the group or me on how to speak up in a calm way, but for them to listen to your heart........Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: Hi Carol, No such place in this house...there are 6 of us (sometimes 7 when my son comes) and my computer is in the diningroom. I need to use my computer for my business...although I haven't had much energy to work much at it. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Hi Kathy, Are you able to keep yourself in an area at home where you don't have to be subjected to the verbal abuse? I'm probably thinking a place where you can have privacy, come out for meals or cook, and then get yourself back into your own world--positive readings, tapes, music and get your "self" shaking it off. Best to you of course. My prayers continue to be with you. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: Thank you, It is really hard to ignore when you live in it all day every day. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Re: agorophobic Karly, Great testimony. Hi Kathy, Don't let others pull you down. Don't allow them to verbally beat you up. I assume you are talking about your living conditions--hubby/son. Do you have another avenue for living? Famly/friends. You are not alone. Have you tried calling any mental health agencies to meet with someone even though you are agorapobic. I remember, if interested, not trying to be preachy of a woman who was bipolar, with other problems adopted the hallelujah diet and away her problems went. It does take time of course so Rome wasn't built in a day I'm trying to say. Ask Shari or myself about it as we are both health ministers. Whoever you choose to talk with, we are both health ministers for them. Just use one of us as it's our free time and we reap mainly satisfaction more than monetary values. Feel well and I am here for you! There is a DIAMOND inside you. Hang in--we all need each other. Love, carol Karly Gray <karly.gray@...> wrote: Hi Kathy...I too am Agoraphobic with panic disorder,Bipolar with hypo mania,adhd,co dependant,blahblahblah. I really don't want to say this in an herbal list,but I am on meds that help me go out and get things done. You are also a prime candidate for SSI...I am on it because these are deemed mental disorders. Please try to get a psychiatrist to talk to,you'll be evaluated (easy) and off you go! Within 2 month's I had my SSI. Good luck,and write to me any time since we have a shared disorder lol. Karly On 7/1/05, Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I am in Canada. I try to stay possitive but around here I am not allowed to (as you can see I'm having a bad day today) I tried to stand up for myself and promptly got knocked on my butt (verbaly) so I am having one of those days were I just want to give up because I am not strong enough to fight....The harder I fight the harder others fight....and they are much healthier and stronger in every way. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I can understand you missing your friend who died, but still you have to go on for your hubby and son. That was a few years AGO. Now you have Walkman to hear uplifting positive messages or praises. Eventually you are going to need batteries. Are you in USA? Can get rechargeable batteries as a heads up. Vision: isn't there something that speaks to you and you speak to it..voice activated? I know you have legitimate concerns, but there is a time that you have to just stop, reflect and move and force yourself forward. My pastor would tell you to "get out of your diapers" or "stop wanting the "pastor feed me, feed me, feed me mentality" when it's up to us to change. You can do it. It's tough, but with this group, now that you are very transparent and some of us are not that way do you want to change? Are you comfortable living this way? Are you feeling like a victim or prisoner? Please, I am not here to judge your decisions but help bump you up in your thinking. Do you listen to positive tapes? Do you speak to yourself with "I CAN DO IT?" Sometimes you may be only way to do that for you. Embrace self and even give yourself a hug. Well, off to continue task at hand, but I'm here without judging you, but hoping we can see you move forward as a group. What a great testimony that would be. You do have a role in the plan to ACT if you want to see results--even if its baby steps. It's still steps towards going on. Ultimatedly are you comfortable living this way? I don't need answer, but something to think about. Hang in. You can do it!!! carol.......your largest family may be just here to cheer you on too!Kathy L <angeldestiny@... > wrote: Other than my hubby and kids, there is only my mom. I have read a few books on the subject but the problem is that my eyes have been acting up so that I cannot read with my glasses any more and reading without them causes my headaches to be worse and my eyes start to water really bad. I am able to read the computer because the print is larger and have started ordering books on tape though. ...need to find the time to listen to them now. Actually I couldn't find my walkman till last night so I am going to try to listen for a while after going to bed. Guess I need a full body overhaul....just cannot afford it right now......lol. I actually did have a counsellor who came out and it helped a lot. We became friends with him and his wife. Unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago and I am still having a problem dealing with that. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I understand you are bound to the house, but can someone have tapes/videos/books to borrow shipped or purchased for you? Perhaps a governmental agency helps with people such as you. Here, USA, I would start with Social Services--medicaid/medicare or such agencies. Perhaps library can send in materials for you to borrow and send back. Any friends near by? Family? For me that was the beginning of my spiritual journey when I found out I can't help myself so I found another route. I still struggle in my own walk, but got more peace then before. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I know.....I posted in another message. I cannot go out to get help because I am agorophobic and only go out to medical appointments but have to be sedated to go. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: MorningGlory113@... health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Nature's Calmers; dental talk too... I have been trying to get help but they all want me to go there and I an unable to go out unless sedated, so that won't work. I meant professional help for the panic you experience when someone comes near your face.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I would also like to try the cayenne on my son and see how it does with his heart defect but not sure if tincture or powder is better for that. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy L health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Carol, Actually I had been given info in messages about my other health problems and I lost them.....except for the cayenne and celery.....and not to have aspertame. I have so much junk on my computer......lol....and my eyes are not the best so that doesn't help. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, If you are looking for suggestions we offered regarding 'agorophobic" you may go to our group site at groups, then search for agoropho I would stop there cause the ending may be difference and up should come our recent topic suggestions. Is this helpful? carol................Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: You have all been great and now I am wondering if maybe hubby wasn't looking in the right places for the things that were suggested ...that is why I will ask mom to look....and she has no hidden agenda. I know I need some cayenne and celery seed but so many things have been said in bits and pieces that I forgot what else I was suggested. I tried to find the messages but I cannot. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy L health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic We have 4 computers( hubby works with computers and people gave a couple of them to us for the kids because they would fight over them so much) and they are all networked so they cannot be too far apart (well they could but it would be more expensive) my computer and hubby's are in the diningroom....the little kids small computer is in the livingroom and the teens computer is down the basement. I have to stay around or the kids get the yelling.....I make it turn around to me instead....or have to referee...besides...if he is mad enough he just follows me. I cannot be away....not even for a bath. the 2 youngest are usually in the tub with me as soon as I get washed. like I said before....I need to find a way to get myself healthy so I can deal with life. I am so sore and tired all the time because of the health problems that I can't do anything constructive to fix things. That is the main reason I joined here but it doesn't help if I cannot get the items that everyone suggests...so I am going to try to go about it another way and see if my mom can look for me and find things that I can afford. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, Do you alone use computer? If so, then your room, or find private place so you are not among the whole "tribe" but have some solo "play" time. If not, maybe they can still move it in a corner of the table or find another table to put it on away from the crowd. Is the whole crowd verbally abusive?????????? carol........................curious carol.......may some role playing here with the group or me on how to speak up in a calm way, but for them to listen to your heart........Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: Hi Carol, No such place in this house...there are 6 of us (sometimes 7 when my son comes) and my computer is in the diningroom. I need to use my computer for my business...although I haven't had much energy to work much at it. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Hi Kathy, Are you able to keep yourself in an area at home where you don't have to be subjected to the verbal abuse? I'm probably thinking a place where you can have privacy, come out for meals or cook, and then get yourself back into your own world--positive readings, tapes, music and get your "self" shaking it off. Best to you of course. My prayers continue to be with you. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: Thank you, It is really hard to ignore when you live in it all day every day. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Re: agorophobic Karly, Great testimony. Hi Kathy, Don't let others pull you down. Don't allow them to verbally beat you up. I assume you are talking about your living conditions--hubby/son. Do you have another avenue for living? Famly/friends. You are not alone. Have you tried calling any mental health agencies to meet with someone even though you are agorapobic. I remember, if interested, not trying to be preachy of a woman who was bipolar, with other problems adopted the hallelujah diet and away her problems went. It does take time of course so Rome wasn't built in a day I'm trying to say. Ask Shari or myself about it as we are both health ministers. Whoever you choose to talk with, we are both health ministers for them. Just use one of us as it's our free time and we reap mainly satisfaction more than monetary values. Feel well and I am here for you! There is a DIAMOND inside you. Hang in--we all need each other. Love, carol Karly Gray <karly.gray@...> wrote: Hi Kathy...I too am Agoraphobic with panic disorder,Bipolar with hypo mania,adhd,co dependant,blahblahblah. I really don't want to say this in an herbal list,but I am on meds that help me go out and get things done. You are also a prime candidate for SSI...I am on it because these are deemed mental disorders. Please try to get a psychiatrist to talk to,you'll be evaluated (easy) and off you go! Within 2 month's I had my SSI. Good luck,and write to me any time since we have a shared disorder lol. Karly On 7/1/05, Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I am in Canada. I try to stay possitive but around here I am not allowed to (as you can see I'm having a bad day today) I tried to stand up for myself and promptly got knocked on my butt (verbaly) so I am having one of those days were I just want to give up because I am not strong enough to fight....The harder I fight the harder others fight....and they are much healthier and stronger in every way. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I can understand you missing your friend who died, but still you have to go on for your hubby and son. That was a few years AGO. Now you have Walkman to hear uplifting positive messages or praises. Eventually you are going to need batteries. Are you in USA? Can get rechargeable batteries as a heads up. Vision: isn't there something that speaks to you and you speak to it..voice activated? I know you have legitimate concerns, but there is a time that you have to just stop, reflect and move and force yourself forward. My pastor would tell you to "get out of your diapers" or "stop wanting the "pastor feed me, feed me, feed me mentality" when it's up to us to change. You can do it. It's tough, but with this group, now that you are very transparent and some of us are not that way do you want to change? Are you comfortable living this way? Are you feeling like a victim or prisoner? Please, I am not here to judge your decisions but help bump you up in your thinking. Do you listen to positive tapes? Do you speak to yourself with "I CAN DO IT?" Sometimes you may be only way to do that for you. Embrace self and even give yourself a hug. Well, off to continue task at hand, but I'm here without judging you, but hoping we can see you move forward as a group. What a great testimony that would be. You do have a role in the plan to ACT if you want to see results--even if its baby steps. It's still steps towards going on. Ultimatedly are you comfortable living this way? I don't need answer, but something to think about. Hang in. You can do it!!! carol.......your largest family may be just here to cheer you on too!Kathy L <angeldestiny@... > wrote: Other than my hubby and kids, there is only my mom. I have read a few books on the subject but the problem is that my eyes have been acting up so that I cannot read with my glasses any more and reading without them causes my headaches to be worse and my eyes start to water really bad. I am able to read the computer because the print is larger and have started ordering books on tape though. ...need to find the time to listen to them now. Actually I couldn't find my walkman till last night so I am going to try to listen for a while after going to bed. Guess I need a full body overhaul....just cannot afford it right now......lol. I actually did have a counsellor who came out and it helped a lot. We became friends with him and his wife. Unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago and I am still having a problem dealing with that. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: carolG health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: agorophobic Kathy, I understand you are bound to the house, but can someone have tapes/videos/books to borrow shipped or purchased for you? Perhaps a governmental agency helps with people such as you. Here, USA, I would start with Social Services--medicaid/medicare or such agencies. Perhaps library can send in materials for you to borrow and send back. Any friends near by? Family? For me that was the beginning of my spiritual journey when I found out I can't help myself so I found another route. I still struggle in my own walk, but got more peace then before. carolKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I know.....I posted in another message. I cannot go out to get help because I am agorophobic and only go out to medical appointments but have to be sedated to go. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: MorningGlory113@... health Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Nature's Calmers; dental talk too... I have been trying to get help but they all want me to go there and I an unable to go out unless sedated, so that won't work. I meant professional help for the panic you experience when someone comes near your face.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Kathy, I think I speak for the majority on this list. If you are truly wanting to heal yourself, then I think many of us would be willing to make a contribution to your needs... We've done it before. Tell us what herbs you're wanting or what tinctures you're wanting... In the past we have all helped by sending an herb or something to help one get the things they need to make their tinctures or teas to help cure themselves... and all we ask is that when possible "one passes along the kindness" Heck we've even traded herbs for dolls, tupperware, etc... It is amazing how someone finds there is something they do that someone else is interested in.. and if there is nothing one can trade at the time, it's okay... someday you will be able to help another. So, put your list together and let's see what our "family" here can do to help. SuziKathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I need to find a way to get myself healthy so I can deal with life. I am so sore and tired all the time because of the health problems that I can't do anything constructive to fix things. That is the main reason I joined here but it doesn't help if I cannot get the items that everyone suggests...so I am going to try to go about it another way and see if my mom can look for me and find things that I can afford. Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Hey Kathy, You found a wonderful group of people here. I know we have had this discussion before. I suffer myself from severe panic disorder along with many bouts of agorophia and other issues. I humor myself to stay sane! LOL I know when my son had his mental breakdown seven years ago, we literally went to hell and with the faith of God came back with so much more in so many ways. At least I have. One thing I did learn is that you allow yourself to be walked on, then it shall be done. Children look to us to be mentors,to give guidance and direction, set examples and of course, nurture and love. I myself never stopped doing that but I did allow a very tragic situation to be even more so by not being able to cope. Looking back I cannot believe we survived. Of course Ant and I only have each other and things need to be done. I dread going out by myself and will only do so when I have to. As horrid as it sounds there are usually keys in my hand and I am squeezing to the max. And I wear sunglasses all the time! LOL you know that song " I wear my sunglasses at night... When I faced anorexia at the age of 40, it was control as I never felt I was good enough to succeed. For four years I went on with that control. Of course it did not control anything. It made matters worse including numerous health issues and a heart attack. I don't usually talk about that but I am just making that point and now closing it. I just wanted to tell you that we are here and some of us can relate. But you have to fight this and you have to be the Mom in control there too. I know it is hard when we are not well be it mentally or physically. And as Suzi said, we are family and we are all here to help. Try and keep faith Kath as I truly believe it works miracles All blessings to you Hugs, Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 We have to train up a child/children...how are they going to learn if we can't be the example. Kathy, got questions? Maybe we can help here. We just want you to be well as well can be in your mind. Take care. carolTone <tone102@...> wrote: Hey Kathy, You found a wonderful group of people here. I know we have had this discussion before. I suffer myself from severe panic disorder along with many bouts of agorophia and other issues. I humor myself to stay sane! LOL I know when my son had his mental breakdown seven years ago, we literally went to hell and with the faith of God came back with so much more in so many ways. At least I have. One thing I did learn is that you allow yourself to be walked on, then it shall be done. Children look to us to be mentors,to give guidance and direction, set examples and of course, nurture and love. I myself never stopped doing that but I did allow a very tragic situation to be even more so by not being able to cope. Looking back I cannot believe we survived. Of course Ant and I only have each other and things need to be done. I dread going out by myself and will only do so when I have to. As horrid as it sounds there are usually keys in my hand and I am squeezing to the max. And I wear sunglasses all the time! LOL you know that song " I wear my sunglasses at night... When I faced anorexia at the age of 40, it was control as I never felt I was good enough to succeed. For four years I went on with that control. Of course it did not control anything. It made matters worse including numerous health issues and a heart attack. I don't usually talk about that but I am just making that point and now closing it. I just wanted to tell you that we are here and some of us can relate. But you have to fight this and you have to be the Mom in control there too. I know it is hard when we are not well be it mentally or physically. And as Suzi said, we are family and we are all here to help. Try and keep faith Kath as I truly believe it works miracles All blessings to you Hugs, Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Karley, You have to realize that this group is about using natural means to heal and getting off the "poisons" that the pharmacutical giants have created. Most scrips only mask the problem they don't heal it. You're not being "dismissed"... but realize that this may not be the group you want to be on..as members here are trying to get rid of the meds not take more. SuziKarly Gray <karly.gray@...> wrote: Forgive me group members as I have made a passe in suggesting medicines that are working for me. I have tried many herbals and over time ,it didn't help me...I needed the brain chemistry to be changed. I am sorry to offend all Y'all, but I am being dismissed I do believe,so..Kathy?...If you need "Medical" knowledge, just write to me okay? Karly Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Kathy, As a former sufferer of agorophobia, I can definitely identify with you. HOWEVER, please, please, please realize that your strength does not come only from you yourself! If you rely only on what you personally have, you will very well probably get kicked in the butt. But you don't need to rely only on yourself! You have friends and family here. It truly does help to let it out. Many of us, myself included, are available via private email anytime you need us. You are not alone, you are in a community. One of love, hope, encouragement, faith, LIFE!! Many of us have been through the ringer as well, living lives that in a " normal " world, would put us, myself included again, under " direct care " . We made a choice not to be under that type of care. We care for ourselves and each other. And we care for YOU!!!!!! Do not hesitate to let us know how, when and where we can help. Peace, love, laughter --- Kathy L <angeldestiny@...> wrote: > I am in Canada. > I try to stay possitive but around here I am not > allowed to (as you can see I'm having a bad day > today) I tried to stand up for myself and promptly > got knocked on my butt (verbaly) so I am having one > of those days were I just want to give up because I > am not strong enough to fight....The harder I fight > the harder others fight....and they are much > healthier and stronger in every way. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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