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My cats, my poodle and myself all eat raw diets in this house!

Way to go Persian!!! I like to hear that. Ziggy Marley Jimi Hendrix the Welsh Corgi is all raw too. He was just laying with me in the grass and he let me look at his teeth. Not a speck of tartar nor any doggie breath. And a coat that is so full of luster he is truly beautiful in the sunshine.

I'm on a Natural Hygiene list and the gal that started the list is the one helping me refind his diet. At this point in time he gets a quarter of a game hen for dinner just tossed in the back yard. Mornings he gets a chicken neck, but that is going to change. She claims there is too much meat and too much fat on the birds I'm feeding him. The Asian store in town has something called "chicken frames". It is the bones with a tiny bit of leftover meat that is what is left when you get boneless chicken. She says this is more realistic of what a dog would get in the wild. And when I think about it she is probably right - a scrawny bird. A Corgi would probably never take down a chicken or a turkey with lots of meat on its bones. We overbreed the fowl to make them that way.

I'm going to try and get some next time I'm in the Big City. I have read too that Corgi's have food issues and that is true. I fasted him for 11 days last summer and it was heck to pay trying to keep him from eating "Kitty Roca" when we went on our walks!!

Shari & Ziggy

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Shari,

Any veggies for the dog?????????????? Thanks. Can you share each meal and supplements with us as well. Molly and Sarge, dogs get Barley Max every night too........Molly is very picky so sometimes she decides its a fast time so it goes in refrigerator for the next days meal. Maybe the weather is getting to her to stop her from eating much--not that she ever consummed or gulped food down. She takes her time even eating. She's more interested in rabbits then she is in food as we have them here on property every which way they go--country setting--wild rabbits.

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My cats, my poodle and myself all eat raw diets in this house!

Way to go Persian!!! I like to hear that. Ziggy Marley Jimi Hendrix the Welsh Corgi is all raw too. He was just laying with me in the grass and he let me look at his teeth. Not a speck of tartar nor any doggie breath. And a coat that is so full of luster he is truly beautiful in the sunshine.

I'm on a Natural Hygiene list and the gal that started the list is the one helping me refind his diet. At this point in time he gets a quarter of a game hen for dinner just tossed in the back yard. Mornings he gets a chicken neck, but that is going to change. She claims there is too much meat and too much fat on the birds I'm feeding him. The Asian store in town has something called "chicken frames". It is the bones with a tiny bit of leftover meat that is what is left when you get boneless chicken. She says this is more realistic of what a dog would get in the wild. And when I think about it she is probably right - a scrawny bird. A Corgi would probably never take down a chicken or a turkey with lots of meat on its bones. We overbreed the fowl to make them that way.

I'm going to try and get some next time I'm in the Big City. I have read too that Corgi's have food issues and that is true. I fasted him for 11 days last summer and it was heck to pay trying to keep him from eating "Kitty Roca" when we went on our walks!!

Shari & Ziggy

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No vaccines, no supplements, no veggies (unless he digs them up from the garden), no fruit (unless he eats them off the bush).

Chicken neck in the morning around 3:30 a.m. (when I get up).

1/4 of a cornish game hen. Not cut up just thrown in the bowl (to make him think he's getting dinner).

Sometimes an egg - the whole thing.

Think of how and what they would eat in the wild.

Shari

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Hi,

I give my poodle veg cos he likes them. He eats broccoli, green beans,

cauliflower, bok choy, some apple and various others.

With the veg I blanch them first to help break down the cellular

walls or you can crush them or steam them a little. If he likes them

and I have them here anyway can't see any reason not to give them.

He has always been really healthy and never had any problems at all.

I do not feed any grains, no eggs or dairy (as I am vegan I would not buy them).

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Persian

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I'm not sure this is quite right, Shari, but will bow to your better judgment. I try to feed Cedar *really* meaty bones (not fatty, though). While in the wild they wouldn't find the artificially fattened animals we get commercially, I don't think chicken frames have enough meat on them. So watch for constipation.

But then you're feeding a, what?, 30# Corgi and I'm feeding an 85# Golden.<G>

Sharyn

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She claims there is too much meat and too much fat on the birds I'm feeding him. The Asian store in town has something called "chicken frames". It is the bones with a tiny bit of leftover meat that is what is left when you get boneless chicken. She says this is more realistic of what a dog would get in the wild.

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There are as many different ways of feeding a raw diet as there are people feeding it. Some people feed veggies as a matter of course. I do not. I feed a prey model raw diet, which means basically what they'd find in the wild, with no grains or below-ground veggies. The only veggies Cedar gets are occasional leftovers from the 2-legged's dinners in the house.

We don't feed supplements either.

Letting them eat those little wild bunnies if they can catch them is a perfect meal.

Sharyn

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Any veggies for the dog?????????????? Thanks. Can you share each meal and supplements with us as well.

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Sharyn - I think you would enjoy RawSchool sponsored by Nora from Seattle. She is hardcore Natural Hygiene and is a dog handler. And I thought exactly the same thing, but when you think about it dogs probably wouldn't even eat every day in the wild!

Sometimes lots of meat and little fat, but not as often as we would think. Truly wild animals are pretty scrawny.

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I'm on the RawSchool list, have been online acquainted with Nora for several years.

In the wild dogs eat more on a gorge/starve schedule. The pack makes a kill, they eat (gorge) lots of meat and bones, offal, etc., then it may be a couple of days to a week or more before they eat again.

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Sharyn - I think you would enjoy RawSchool sponsored by Nora from Seattle. She is hardcore Natural Hygiene and is a dog handler. And I thought exactly the same thing, but when you think about it dogs probably wouldn't even eat every day in the wild!

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Molly, our dog, may hunt for the baby bunnies, which she seldoms catches, but won't eat them. She does hang out and watch them even after her kill. The other day I adopted, now about 15, will eat anything that comes close to him. He was a SAD eater from his elderly owner and hear he acts as if he touched a bit of heaven. He's living like a king in his last days. Sarge is his name. Wonder if garlic would keep the nasty horse flies away vs. spraying his ears with a chem I believe my husband bought him. For him, he was never too old to switch to a raw diet. He enjoys his food much more than Molly who lives to run, be outside all day, while Sarge prefers more peace and quiet in addition to bathing when the sprinkler system is going. He has not guilt about breaking sprinkler heads either.

carolSharyn Cerniglia <sharyn.cerniglia@...> wrote:

There are as many different ways of feeding a raw diet as there are people feeding it. Some people feed veggies as a matter of course. I do not. I feed a prey model raw diet, which means basically what they'd find in the wild, with no grains or below-ground veggies. The only veggies Cedar gets are occasional leftovers from the 2-legged's dinners in the house.

We don't feed supplements either.

Letting them eat those little wild bunnies if they can catch them is a perfect meal.

Sharyn

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Garlic cloves in his diet... got any catnip? make a tea and spray on him...carolG <cgiambri@...> wrote:

Molly, our dog, may hunt for the baby bunnies, which she seldoms catches, but won't eat them. She does hang out and watch them even after her kill. The other day I adopted, now about 15, will eat anything that comes close to him. He was a SAD eater from his elderly owner and hear he acts as if he touched a bit of heaven. He's living like a king in his last days. Sarge is his name. Wonder if garlic would keep the nasty horse flies away vs. spraying his ears with a chem I believe my husband bought him. For him, he was never too old to switch to a raw diet. He enjoys his food much more than Molly who lives to run, be outside all day, while Sarge prefers more peace and quiet in addition to bathing when the sprinkler system is going. He has not guilt about breaking sprinkler heads either.

carolSharyn Cerniglia <sharyn.cerniglia@...> wrote:

There are as many different ways of feeding a raw diet as there are people feeding it. Some people feed veggies as a matter of course. I do not. I feed a prey model raw diet, which means basically what they'd find in the wild, with no grains or below-ground veggies. The only veggies Cedar gets are occasional leftovers from the 2-legged's dinners in the house.

We don't feed supplements either.

Letting them eat those little wild bunnies if they can catch them is a perfect meal.

Sharyn

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Molly, dog, would love to skip a few days I bet too. Sarge, the elderly male, 15 y.o. would love to eat all day. He's making up for his other 14 years he has not lived here...he's here about yr. now.

carol.........SV <shavig@...> wrote:

Yes, I just saw your name on the list!

And I agree, that is something else Nora pointed out to me. She does not feed her animals everyday. I'm still working on that one! Who can resist those big brown eyes around about 5 p.m. especially when he has one paw on your chest and he's got you nose to nose!!!

It's all about progress and the keeping the learning and acceptance tracks open.

Thanks for the discussion Sharyn - Shari

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