Guest guest Posted October 19, 1999 Report Share Posted October 19, 1999 Yes, both my son and I use it, for different purposes. I use it for the collagen syntheis, it helps my sore shoulder joints. My son takes it for healthier intestines. He is no longer constipated which means he is in a better mood and feeling healthier. He also listens better now, and is more attentive. marlene MSM >From: " josiane herben " <josianeherben@...> > >Hello, >Does anyone have any experiences with MSM ? Josiane > >> --- Free computers. Free Internet access. I don't pay -- why should you? Click on www.free-pc.com to get started today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 1999 Report Share Posted October 19, 1999 : Can you tell me what MSM is? My son is also chronically constipated, and nothing we have tried has helped him. Thanks, Kristi Chase wrote: > From: " Chase " <wingding@...> > > Yes, both my son and I use it, for different purposes. I use it for the > collagen syntheis, it helps my sore shoulder joints. My son takes it for > healthier intestines. He is no longer constipated which means he is in a > better mood and feeling healthier. He also listens better now, and is more > attentive. marlene > MSM > > >From: " josiane herben " <josianeherben@...> > > > >Hello, > >Does anyone have any experiences with MSM ? Josiane > > > >> > > --- > > Free computers. Free Internet access. I don't pay -- why should you? > Click on www.free-pc.com to get started today! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 1999 Report Share Posted October 20, 1999 Methylsufanolmethane it is actually a substance found in foods and you can buy it at health food stores or catalogs as a supplement. Most sell it in the healthy joints sections along with glucosamine. It helps in the sulfanization process. Another example of sufanization is taking epsom salt baths. epsom salts is magnesium sulfate. Epsom salts can be mixed with water and consumed as a laxitive, but is a bit too harsh for our kids to drink and is not recommended for kids under age 6. I give my son 750 mg of MSM daily (1 capsule) he is 5. Adults can take up to 4 caps a day. I take 2 for my joints. MSM helps to heal leaky gut, and also lubricates the intestinal lining to prevent parasites from clinging, and some cases seems to helps prevent constipation and diareah. My son's attention span has increased, better vocalization and better attitude. Others have reported better eye contact and increased language. MSM can be mixed in water or juice (empty the powder out of capsule) but my son has a thing about " floaties " in his drinks, so all supplements go in his catsup, into which he dips his scrambled eggs. (except his DMG tabs he just eats those). marlene Re: MSM >From: " Kristi Lockwood " <klockwood@...> > >: > >Can you tell me what MSM is? My son is also chronically constipated, and >nothing we have tried has helped him. > >Thanks, > >Kristi > > Chase wrote: > --- Free computers. Free Internet access. I don't pay -- why should you? Click on www.free-pc.com to get started today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 1999 Report Share Posted October 20, 1999 Hi All, Just a little clarification to 's note. She mentioned that she gives her 5 yo son 750mg of MSM per day. We also tried that and our son went berzerk. Later, from discussions I had with others, I learned it is a good idea to START at 200mg/day and increase slowly (that is, not until 3 weeks have passed should you even consider moving the dose up). Also, Holly Bortfield has mentioned that she had to give her son CALCIUM (I think she said 1000 mg) in conjunction with the MSM. We have not tried reintroducing the MSM yet. We are busy right now with the cod liver oil and increasing the zinc. Per Dr. McGinniss, we moved the zinc to a dose all by itself right before bedtime, and our little guy is sleeping much better, and doing better with bed wetting. (Knock on wood.) I do think I'm seeing improvements with the cod liver oil. We have settled on 3500 IU (Kenny weighs 50 lbs.) He had recently become VERY FEARFUL of heights, and after starting the cod liver oil, those problems disappeared completely. (What a relief -- he was clinging to me for dear life when we walked down the outside stairs at the building where I take him for speech therapy!) I should mention that I was skeptical about the cod liver oil, as we had tried Vitamin A in the past. However, after listening to Dr. Megson at the DAN! conference explain why children with leaky gut could not properly absorb other forms of Vit. A, (they no longer have the receptors in the gut) we decided to give it a try. cindy.p@... Re: MSM > > > >From: " Kristi Lockwood " <klockwood@...> > > > >: > > > >Can you tell me what MSM is? My son is also chronically constipated, and > >nothing we have tried has helped him. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Kristi > > > > Chase wrote: > > > > > > --- > > Free computers. Free Internet access. I don't pay -- why should you? > Click on www.free-pc.com to get started today! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 1999 Report Share Posted October 21, 1999 I too give my son calcium, 100mg a day, and the MSM was started at half a capsule at first. He did well with the epsom salt baths so felt ok to move on to the MSM. If your child goes berserk on the bath, forget the MSM. Holly's son is the only one so far I heard of who had a bad reaction to MSM. Re: MSM >From: " s " <cindy.p@...> > >Hi All, > >Just a little clarification to 's note. > >She mentioned that she gives her 5 yo son 750mg of MSM per day. We also >tried that and our son went berzerk. > >Later, from discussions I had with others, I learned it is a good idea to >START at 200mg/day and increase slowly (that is, not until 3 weeks have >passed should you even consider moving the dose up). Also, Holly Bortfield >has mentioned that she had to give her son CALCIUM (I think she said 1000 >mg) in conjunction with the MSM. <snip> --- Free computers. Free Internet access. I don't pay -- why should you? Click on www.free-pc.com to get started today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 1999 Report Share Posted October 21, 1999 >I too give my son calcium, 100mg a day, and the MSM was started at half a >capsule at first. He did well with the epsom salt baths so felt ok to move >on to the MSM. If your child goes berserk on the bath, forget the MSM. >Holly's son is the only one so far I heard of who had a bad reaction to MSM. Most of the adults at the candida forum, www.healthyawareness.com, have found that they need to start with small doses of MSM. Usually 500 mg is okay, but some have to start at lower doses. Even though unused MSM leaves the body within a day, it seems that the effects last longer. Hence even though you might tolerate 500 mg the first day, when you add another 500 mg the second day, you may feel ill. From my own experimenting, it seems like you need to look at the total dose from over about three days to get it right. With continued use, you can increase the dose. Don't be dismayed if you can't tolerate very much at first. Even the tiny doses have very powerful health benefits. Polly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1999 Report Share Posted October 22, 1999 Hi everyone! I am just catching up on my emails, so forgive me for being behind with this question. I am interested in the MSM product. Dean doesn't have constipation or diarrhea, so I wondered if it would be helpful with his PDD-NOS diagnosis and eye contact. His bowels have always smelled very strong, and have been soft, but he has never had any chronic type intestinal problems. Thanks! Maranie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1999 Report Share Posted October 25, 1999 As with many interventions, it might, but there is a possibility it might not. I bought a bottle and was very impressed with the results, and I also take it myself to help with joint pain. From posts I have read on a few other lists, there have been more positive results than negative. I only recall one parent reporting problems with it. <marlene re: MSM >From: " the adams' " <adams6@...> > >Hi everyone! I am just catching up on my emails, so forgive me for being behind with this question. I am interested in the MSM product. Dean doesn't have constipation or diarrhea, so I wondered if it would be helpful with his PDD-NOS diagnosis and eye contact. His bowels have always smelled very strong, and have been soft, but he has never had any chronic type intestinal problems. >Thanks! >Maranie > > >[Attachments have been removed from this message] > >> --- Free computers. Free Internet access. I don't pay -- why should you? Click on www.free-pc.com to get started today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 << What about the sulfur content in MSM? Many kids benefit from it. >> Many are hurt by it too. Seems like there is no " one size fits all " sulfur prescription aside from sulfate. All the other forms need testing or experimenting to determine if the kid needs more or less. Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 << But what is the best way to test for sulfur levels ? >> Lab test? Plasma cysteine. Great Smokies does it as part of the comprehensive liver detox test and also will do it for $25 (prepay price) by itself. Note that there are 2 amino acids with similar names, cysteine and cystine. you want cysteine, NOT cystine. Most labs do the second but not the first and may assume you don't really understand the difference or that they are interchangeable. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 But what is the best way to test for sulfur levels ? thx paul --- AndyCutler@... wrote: > << What about the sulfur content in MSM? Many kids > benefit from it. >> > > Many are hurt by it too. Seems like there is no > " one size fits all " sulfur > prescription aside from sulfate. All the other > forms need testing or > experimenting to determine if the kid needs more or > less. > > Andy Cutler > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 In a message dated 7/23/00 3:00:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AndyCutler@... writes: << Note that there are 2 amino acids with similar names, cysteine and cystine. you want cysteine, NOT cystine. Most labs do the second but not the first and may assume you don't really understand the difference or that they are interchangeable. >> After reviewing our test files, I find that we tested for cystine. The tests which we interpreted to indicate low sulfur were for cystine from Metametrix. In the blood test, cystine measured 3 micromol/liter (range 10 -90) and methionine 24 (range 25 - 50). This blood test also showed the following to be somewhat low: Threonine (99 range 100 - 250), glycine (220 range 225 - 450), asparagine (43 range 45 - 150) and proline (113 range 130 - 400) and entanolamine (9 range <=8 to be high. In the 24 hour urine test, 12 substances measured low: cystine (17 micromol / day range 20 - 130) cystathionine (6 range 10 - 45) histidine (341 range 460 - 2100), lysine (28 range 75 - 750), phenylalanine (29 range 30 - 190), threonine(77 range 90 - 490), taurine (166 range350 - 1850), aspartic acid (63 range 135 - 275), glutamic acid (12 range 20 - 95), glutamine (279 range 300 - 800), ornithine ( 8 range 10 - 100), phosphoethanolamine (20 range 30 - 105) also sacrosine (70 range <= 1 ) was elevated It was largely because of these tests, that we tried a number of supplements. The tests actually came with descriptive information including diagrams of biochemical processes to interpret them. As I go through the files, I find that we have one urine organic constituents test from the St. Louis University medical center that measured both cystine (.1 mM/M creatinine range 0 - 5) and cysteine (164 range 0 - 160), which was high. The sample contained 2.36 micromoles creatinine / .25 ml) We didn't really have anyone interpret this test, and the cover sheet actually is marked to be within normal limits. Joe Marciano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 << My son did very well on epsom salts baths but HORRIBLE on multiple trials of MSM. He became very agressive on MSM but very sociable on the baths. >> Sulfate is not interchangeable with the other forms of sulfur because it can't be converted back into them. MSM, cysteine, glutathione, etc. do interact with each other and some of them can interconvert. In fact, sulfate is the end product of sulfur metabolism and a lot of people who can't make sulfate build up the earlier stuff they can't get rid of, so they need to supplement sulfate at the same time they avoid the other forms of sulfur. Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 My son did very well on epsom salts baths but HORRIBLE on multiple trials of MSM. He became very agressive on MSM but very sociable on the baths. Holly, maximom@...http://www.geocities.com/ARNFLhttp://www.autismconference.org Message: 25 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:41:10 EDT From: AndyCutler@...Subject: Re: MSM<< What about the sulfur content in MSM? Many kids benefit from it. >>Many are hurt by it too. Seems like there is no "one size fits all" sulfur prescription aside from sulfate. All the other forms need testing or experimenting to determine if the kid needs more or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 Some do like mine, some don't who have PST deficiency Kathy [ ] MSM >What about the sulfur content in MSM? Many kids benefit from it. >Gretchen > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Get great brand name shoes with just the click of a mouse. Check out >the huge selection at Zappos.com, the Web's Most Popular Store! >1/6994/9/_/705339/_/964319255/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 << Surely it is the kids with a PST deficiency who should be taking MSM ??? >> Incorrect. <<Rosemary Waring et al recommend MSM, glucasamine sulphate and epsom salts for PST deficient kids. >> Because she wasn't thinking clearly about the problem. GS and epsom salts are good because they actually contain sulfate. MSM is bad because it has to be converted to sulfate using a route that does not work properly in most of these kids - which is why they have low sulfate in the first place! Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 Surely it is the kids with a PST deficiency who should be taking MSM ??? Rosemary Waring et al recommend MSM, glucasamine sulphate and epsom salts for PST deficient kids. --- Jim Blanco <kblanco@...> wrote: > Some do like mine, some don't who have PST > deficiency > Kathy > [ ] MSM > > > >What about the sulfur content in MSM? Many kids > benefit from it. > >Gretchen > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Get great brand name shoes with just the click of a > mouse. Check out > >the huge selection at Zappos.com, the Web's Most > Popular Store! > >1/6994/9/_/705339/_/964319255/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 Andy do you ever sleep ?? I'm in europe and if I post any time of day you seem to reply instantly !!! Many thanks --- AndyCutler@... wrote: > << Surely it is the kids with a PST deficiency who > should > be taking MSM ??? >> > > Incorrect. > > <<Rosemary Waring et al recommend MSM, glucasamine > sulphate and epsom salts for PST deficient kids. >> > > Because she wasn't thinking clearly about the > problem. > > GS and epsom salts are good because they actually > contain sulfate. > > MSM is bad because it has to be converted to sulfate > using a route that does > not work properly in most of these kids - which is > why they have low sulfate > in the first place! > > Andy Cutler > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 > Surely it is the kids with a PST deficiency who should > be taking MSM ??? > Rosemary Waring et al recommend MSM, glucasamine > sulphate and epsom salts for PST deficient kids. > > Not true for us. My kid DOES have a PST deficiency, and he DOES NOT tolerate MSM. (Cary, NC) persistentC@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 is MSM something I should give my son , he is pst deficient crystal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 what is GS?? Crystal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 << is MSM something I should give my son , he is pst deficient >> PST deficiency is unrelated to whether he needs MSM or not. Skip the MSM and give him a dash of epsom salts a couple of times a day. << what is GS?? >> Glucosamine sulfate, which I got lazy and didn't spell out from the prior message. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 You have to watch they seem to either uptake it ok, or not. My kids can tend to become toxic on MSM? Not sure why, but heed that. They do however take epsom salt baths with no problems? There are a number of consequences attributable to PST/sulfate deficiency including effects upon the metabolism of classical neurotransmitters such as serotonin and dopamine; impaired breakdown and metabolism of the bile pigments bilirubin and biliverdin; impaired action of the hormone CCK on CCKA receptors which would result in decreased secretion of pancreatic enzymes and of bile from the gall bladder and biliary tract into the intestines. This would result in low uptake of certain vitamins and other nutrients from the intestines; reduced activity of gastrin (and subsequent reduced secretion of stomach acid, mucus, and pepsin in the stomach), and, probably, reduced production of secretin further downstream. Kathy [ ] MSM >> >> >> >What about the sulfur content in MSM? Many kids >> benefit from it. >> >Gretchen >> > >> > >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >Get great brand name shoes with just the click of a >> mouse. Check out >> >the huge selection at Zappos.com, the Web's Most >> Popular Store! >> >>1/6994/9/_/705339/_/964319255/ >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 I'm going in circles here....cysteine will show a sulfur potential problem, is this same as PST deficiency or is that a seperate test - if so which one thx paul --- AndyCutler@... wrote: > << But what is the best way to test for sulfur > levels ? >> > > Lab test? Plasma cysteine. Great Smokies does it > as part of the > comprehensive liver detox test and also will do it > for $25 (prepay price) by > itself. > > Note that there are 2 amino acids with similar > names, cysteine and cystine. > you want cysteine, NOT cystine. Most labs do the > second but not the first > and may assume you don't really understand the > difference or that they are > interchangeable. > > Andy > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 << I'm going in circles here....cysteine will show a sulfur potential problem, is this same as PST deficiency or is that a seperate test - if so which one >> Separate. Cysteine = THIOL or " sulfur " problem. PST = SULFATE problem. Very different. Both should show up on the Great Smokies Labs comprehensive liver detoxification test, elevated plasma cysteine (or low plasma cysteine) for the sulfur problem and slow phase 2 sulfation for the sulfate problem. Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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