MSM

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Andy,

I just saw my doctor and asked her about the Great Smokies Comp Liver

test which showed I had a sulfation problem (under functioning) &

high plasma sulfate, plus high copper, low zinc and mercury,cadmium

and lead borderline high. She said the sulfation problem was genetic

and dismissed it. I have Fibromyalgia and insomnia, for starters,

what is your opinion?

-- In egroups, AndyCutler@a... wrote:

> << I'm going in circles here....cysteine will show a

> sulfur potential problem, is this same as PST

> deficiency or is that a seperate test - if so which

> one >>

>

> Separate.

>

> Cysteine = THIOL or " sulfur " problem.

>

> PST = SULFATE problem.

>

> Very different.

>

> Both should show up on the Great Smokies Labs comprehensive liver

> detoxification test, elevated plasma cysteine (or low plasma

cysteine) for

> the sulfur problem and slow phase 2 sulfation for the sulfate

problem.

>

> Andy Cutler

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He is taking 1000 mg twice daily. I am still tinkering with the dose

and may lower that. I haven't determined for sure if it is helping,

but I suspect it is. The wetting has definitely decreased since

starting it, but I don't feel comfortable yet saying that is the

reason only because he's only been on it about two weeks. If you try

it, I would start with a low dose and build up. I mix it in lemon

flavored Kool-Aid (I don't think it is gfcf).

I think my son is very sensitive to phenols, and I think the MSM

helps (my preliminary guess!). I've had flukes like this before, so

I need to allow more time.

> ,

>

> I remember you saying that you were using MSM. How has that

progressed?

> Did it stop your son's wetting problem? I'm still grappling with

that

> myself and looking for an answer. How much MSM are you giving a day

and

> how are you administering it?

>

> -

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,

What brand are you using? I put my older son back on the KAL brand

and he is doing fine again. I give 1000 mg/day.

.

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> ,

>

> What brand are you using? I put my older son back on the KAL brand

> and he is doing fine again. I give 1000 mg/day.

>

> .

I'm using GNC only because a friend gave it to me free. Hoping to

change brands as soon as I can get to the health food store. The GNC

brand does say it is free of all the stuff gfcf people avoid. It

comes in a gelatin capsule, but I empty the contents. With enzymes,

the gel cap wouldn't be a concern anyway. I've never heard

of " KAL " . Is it easy to find? I thought I'd check out the Solaray

brand, too.

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I called the company that makes it and they said as long as it has not been exposed to moisture it should be okay. They said if it is still powdery and not clumpy, then it should be fine, but otherwise, yes, the potency can decrease in old products. I am trying to use it up, but sheesh this stuff tastes bad!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: MSM

Does it get stale?

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:58 PM

Subject: MSM

I've got a big tub of this stuff still from when my naturopath prescribed it for me. I've forgotten how important this is for detoxing!

Cheney on MSM: detox, anti-yeast, allergies, pain, supplementation

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MSM -- The Healing Sulfur

A Feel 21, Inc. Health Report

In the n era, natural sulfur springs were found to bestow tremendous rejuvenative properties; spas and fountains sprang up and it became all the rage to visit and partake in the healing, but foul-smelling, waters. Many of these fountains can still be visited, where the earth-cooled and refreshing waters can still be drunk -- albeit with one's nose held firmly.

That odor indicates the strong presence of the mineral sulfur; and a cousin, methylsulfonylmethane -- MSM -- can also heal quite nicely and conveniently.

MSM , explain Stanley , MD, Lawrence, MD, PhD and Zucker, authors of The Miracle of MSM , is made from DMSO, which is commonly used for the relief of arthritis and other problems such as muscle and skeletal disorders and even acute head and spinal cord trauma. "MSM deliver many of the remarkable healing properties of DMSO -- but with out the annoying odor of DMSO," they write. "MSM is a source of sulfur, a mineral element critical to the normal function and structure of the body. Sulfur is a raw material for the protein and connective tissue that makes up our body mass."

Earl Mindell, RPh, PhD and Milissa Block, MPh, in their book Earl Mindell's Arthritis: What You Need To Know, assert that methysulfonylmethane's potential uses are numerous -- "it relieves pain and inflammation, improves blood flow by dilating blood vessels, reduces formation of scar tissue, improves health of skin, hair and nails, helps normalize the immune system, reduces muscle spasms and even has some anti-parasite activity."

In their book, Arthritis, an Alternative Medicine Definitive Guide,authors Eugene Zampieron, ND, AHG, and Ellen Kamhi, PhD, RN, HNC point out that although MSM is produced in the body, as with most everything else, levels decline with age. MSM levels are also adversely affected by degenerative diseases such as arthritis, and poor dietary habits. "Supplementing with MSM can reduce inflammation and scar tissue, relieve pain, increase blood flow for improved exchange of nutrients, reduce muscle spasms, promote peristalsis, increase cell-wall flexibility, and reduce allergic reactions," they write.

MSM , describe Mindell and Block, is theorized to alleviate arthritis pain and inflammation through several mechanisms of action:

Reduces muscle spasms around arthritic joints. "Muscle spasm occurs in damaged joints as they try to protect themselves from further damage and these knots can contribute a great deal to joint pain," they write.

Relieves inflammation by providing a sensitizing effect to cortisol, an anti-inflammatory chemical produced by the body. Patients who use MSM (or DMSO) don't need as much cortisone.

Provides sulfur molecule for collagen manufacture. "Without adequate sulfur, the body can't repair the damage that happens naturally with daily wear and tear, or the accelerated damage seen in arthritis," explain Mindell and Block."

Inhibits the nerve impulses that deliver pain messages to the brain.

Zampieron and Kamhi write that MSM has special significance for those with rheumatoid arthritis, as this source of biologically active sulfur can help stabilize the immune system and thereby reduce the autoimmune response.

Intestinal Relief

For those suffering from inflammatory bowel conditions, which are said to be quite common, MSM can help ease the discomfort and help normalize bowel function. Inflammatory bowel conditions include IBS (irritable bowel syndrome), Crohn's disease, and ulcerative colitis. "Oral MSM helps relieve inflammatory bowel conditions such as Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis. Crohn's usually affects the lower segment of the small intestine, causing both severe pain and diarrhea," explain , Lawrence and Zucker. "The diarrhea, in turn, leads to painful irritation and inflammation in the perineal are between the anus and the genitals. MSM helps reduce the inflammation in the gut, which will lessen pain and diarrhea."

Allergy sufferers can also obtain relief from MSM Allergic reactions frequently are related to inflammation. , Lawrence and Zucker attribute the efficacy of MSM in allergies to its ability to block "the receptivity of histamine in sensitive tissues, such as the mucous membranes of the nasal passages. This action is something like shutting the cell door and preventing entry to histamine."

Also, MSM may provide necessary sulfur for antibody production to combat germs and allergens, as well as for producing enzymes that counteract inflammation.

Recommended dosage varies. Mindell and Block assert that the recommended oral dosage of MSM is between 1,800 mg and 9,000 mg daily in three divide doses. "Start with the lowest dose and work up slowly adding 300 mg each time you increase the dose," they advise.

Zampieron and Kamhi, however, write that the typical recommended dose of MSM is between 500 and 1,000 mg daily.

Suzi

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I think it is more a case of if you want to take vit c with it, but it is not like needing to take vit e with organic iron ..

I found nothing relating the two except from a company that sells the product... that makes me a bit suspicious.

Suzi"tvogel1104@..." <tvogel1104@...> wrote:

We'll Suzi beat me to the answerTompearlmoon wrote:

Why do you need to take vit. C with it?

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Here's your answer. Linus ing wrote it. If you don't get enough vitamin C daily, then you are wasting your time with MSM or Glucosamine/Chondroitin. You also require collagen intake daily from plant or animal sources. I'm not sure if this applies to just joints, but I'd think from reading what's below that it's pretty much the whole body.

From: http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/collagen.html

"The synthesis of collagen, for which vitamin C is essential, proceeds in the body as one of its major manufacturing enterprises. A person who is dying of scurvy stops making this substance, and his body falls apart -- his joints fail, because he can no longer keep the cartilage and tendons strongs, his blood vessels break open, his gums ulcerate and his teeth fall out, his immune system deteriorates, and he dies. Collagen is a protein, one of the thousands of different kinds of proteins in the human body. Most proteins occur in only small amounts: the various enzymes, for example, are so powerful in their ability to cause specific chemical reactions to take place rapidly that only a gram or two or even a few milligrams may be needed in the body. There are a few exceptions. There is a great amount of hemoglobin in red blood cells. There is even more collagen in the skin, bones, teeth, blood vessels, eye, heart, and, in fact, essentially all parts of the body. Collagen as strong white fibers, stronger than steel wire of the same weight, and as yellow elastic networks (called elastin), usually together with macropolysaccharides, constitutes the connective tissue that holds our bodies together."Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> wrote:

Ok... but I would really like to read from someone who is not selling it ... I don't doubt that vit c and msm are both good... and that the vit c might help with the msm... i just can't seem to find any articles other than from companies selling it.. I usually add msm in with complete nutrition in my drink to help disguise the bitter taste... but don't take vit c unless I find a need to...

If you find an article on this that is not from a company selling something let me know.. I would really like to read an independent, or non-biased one.

Suzi

"tvogel1104@..." <tvogel1104@...> wrote:

I buy my msn from rich products and read from him that your suppose to take c with it Tom

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Yes, we become complacent and forget the things that help us until we stop doing them.

MSM is a wonderful thingtvksi <leo@...> wrote:

-thanks Suzie.I took a tsp before breakfast and was amazed when I realized later that my legs were not aching like they do after meals. It seems that it takes all the blood oxygen going to my stomach to digest and my legs don't get enough and so they ache just like fatigue aches.thanks, g lee-- In health , Suzanne wrote:> I think it is about 7 grams/tablespoon or 2 grams/teaspoon>