Re: Re: Don vs. Gloria ;-)

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I do agree that everything is only energy. However, your body can only direct a certain amount of energy at any one time,

Don,

I don't believe that the body, per se, has the ability to direct energy or, in fact, to do much of anything. I believe the power lies in the mind and that is the "director". The mind is multi-dimensional and has infinite capabilities to direct energy into any number of areas at any given time. It digests our food, keeps our blood circulating, keeps those organs fully functioning, drives the car, sings along to the radio, tells us to roll the window down or up etc. Now the mind also has the capability of "focus", meaning it can beam in like a laser on one facet of our physical dimension with the intent of creating something new. I believe the body is simply a vehicle or tool that we use to get a job done, but, in and of itself, it makes no decisions and has no power to create. It is like a car that gets us from one place to another. The mind is the driver.

Yes, I believe that ultimately our beliefs create our reality and there is no exception. I agree with your premise that most people have no idea what their beliefs are and what is in their subconscious. I also believe the subconscious is running the show most of the time. In order for a belief to reach the subconscious, it must first get the ok of the conscious mind. It cannot get in unless we allowed it in on some level. Sometime, somewhere, we heard something, bought into it, and, even if it's long forgotten consciously, it has taken root in the subconscious. But we CAN access that belief and uproot it if we want to. A belief in sickness is one of those beliefs and everyone (except apparently Null ;-), has it.

I believe it is entirely possible to live on air. There are documented cases of people who have done it. St. Therese Neumann of Germany is famous for eating no food or water for 31 years. She was closely observed by researchers and they found absolutely no indication that she ever ate or drank anything except a wafer of Communion each week (which was never digested, but stayed whole). However, she died of a heart attack in 1962. The power of beliefs in one area but not in another! There are a number of holy men in the Himalayas who have such control over their bodies that they can appear or disappear at will. We are all capable of doing anything if we dissolve all limiting beliefs and become a clear channel for the energy of the Universe. The physical world has no power over anyone, unless we believe it does.

Since most of us are not fully awakened yet, we have our beliefs and the beliefs of mass consciousness to contend with. Most of us are not spiritually evolved enough to claim we have total command of energy and the ability to circumvent every mishap that may come our way. We do our best, but sometimes we need some help, and I, for one, am willing to take that help. Do we "need" anything outside of ourselves to be healthy? Ultimately we don't. But as long as we identify with the body and experience ups and downs emotionally, yes...we probably do. You say that herbs are toxic and they are forcing the body to utilize vital energy that could be put to better use in revitalizing the body. I say that, if used properly, they are God's medicine to help us treat ailments that we are unable to release because we simply don't know how to do that in our present state of awareness. Many farmers have taken notice of their animals grazing on "certain herbs" and later are found to be cured of various afflictions. They know instinctively what to eat or not to eat to bring their bodies back into balance. Most of us have lost that instinct and instead have turned to medicine to be our authority on what we need to take in order to get well. Are herbs "outside of ourselves"? Is nature "outside of ourselves"?

I say that stabilizing our emotional state to one of constant and unwaivering love, joy and gratitude is the most important factor in determining health or sickness. (And scientific research is beginning to agree with that). In the meantime, make use of anything the generous Universe has provided us with to heal, stay healthy and maintain physical balance. Just my humble opinion ;-).

Gloria

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MorningGlory113@... wrote:

> I do agree that everything is only energy. However, your body can only

> direct a certain amount of energy at any one time,

>

> Don,

> I don't believe that the body, per se, has the ability to direct

> energy or, in fact, to do much of anything. I believe the power lies

> in the mind and that is the " director " . The mind is multi-dimensional

> and has infinite capabilities to direct energy into any number of

> areas at any given time. It digests our food, keeps our blood

> circulating, keeps those organs fully functioning, drives the car,

> sings along to the radio, tells us to roll the window down or up etc.

> Now the mind also has the capability of " focus " , meaning it can beam

> in like a laser on one facet of our physical dimension with the intent

> of creating something new. I believe the body is simply a vehicle or

> tool that we use to get a job done, but, in and of itself, it makes no

> decisions and has no power to create. It is like a car that gets us

> from one place to another. The mind is the driver.

> Yes, I believe that ultimately our beliefs create our reality and

> there is no exception. I agree with your premise that most people have

> no idea what their beliefs are and what is in their subconscious. I

> also believe the subconscious is running the show most of the time. In

> order for a belief to reach the subconscious, it must first get the ok

> of the conscious mind. It cannot get in unless we allowed it in on

> some level. Sometime, somewhere, we heard something, bought into it,

> and, even if it's long forgotten consciously, it has taken root in the

> subconscious. But we CAN access that belief and uproot it if we want

> to. A belief in sickness is one of those beliefs and everyone (except

> apparently Null ;-), has it.

> I believe it is entirely possible to live on air. There are documented

> cases of people who have done it. St. Therese Neumann of Germany is

> famous for eating no food or water for 31 years. She was closely

> observed by researchers and they found absolutely no indication that

> she ever ate or drank anything except a wafer of Communion each week

> (which was never digested, but stayed whole). However, she died of a

> heart attack in 1962. The power of beliefs in one area but not in

> another! There are a number of holy men in the Himalayas who have

> such control over their bodies that they can appear or disappear at

> will. We are all capable of doing anything if we dissolve all limiting

> beliefs and become a clear channel for the energy of the Universe. The

> physical world has no power over anyone, unless we believe it does.

> Since most of us are not fully awakened yet, we have our beliefs and

> the beliefs of mass consciousness to contend with. Most of us are not

> spiritually evolved enough to claim we have total command of energy

> and the ability to circumvent every mishap that may come our way. We

> do our best, but sometimes we need some help, and I, for one, am

> willing to take that help. Do we " need " anything outside of ourselves

> to be healthy? Ultimately we don't. But as long as we identify with

> the body and experience ups and downs emotionally, yes...we probably

> do. You say that herbs are toxic and they are forcing the body to

> utilize vital energy that could be put to better use in revitalizing

> the body. I say that, if used properly, they are God's medicine to

> help us treat ailments that we are unable to release because we simply

> don't know how to do that in our present state of awareness. Many

> farmers have taken notice of their animals grazing on " certain herbs "

> and later are found to be cured of various afflictions. They know

> instinctively what to eat or not to eat to bring their bodies back

> into balance. Most of us have lost that instinct and instead have

> turned to medicine to be our authority on what we need to take in

> order to get well. Are herbs " outside of ourselves " ? Is nature

> " outside of ourselves " ?

> I say that stabilizing our emotional state to one of constant and

> unwaivering love, joy and gratitude is the most important factor in

> determining health or sickness. (And scientific research is beginning

> to agree with that). In the meantime, make use of anything the

> generous Universe has provided us with to heal, stay healthy and

>

>> maintain physical balance. Just my humble opinion ;-).

>>

>> Gloria

>

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Thanks Gloria,

Very well put. We are all one and the only difference between you or me

and a rock or tree is the rate of vibration at what we perceive. Energy

is energy and matter is only manifested energy that appears to be solid.

I agree that whatever helps us to stay healthy is worth utilizing. We

just don't really know what really does help us to stay healthy long

term. In the short term there are many things that appear to keep us

healthy but in the long term, maybe some of them come with installments

that need to be paid (if yo know what I mean). However, I have to agree

that ultimately it is up to what you wish to believe and how you choose

to live that will determine, in the short term and in the long term, how

healthy you are going to be and how long you are going to live.

Humans are different from animals in that we have free will and the

capability of thought. This is what makes us akin to our creator. Our

ability to think and as we think we create. Animals do not have this

ability and therefore will turn to herbs to help heal themselves as they

are unable to do so with the power of their own thoughts. We humans, on

the other hand, do not need to resort to that which is outside of

ourselves. We have the power within us. All we have to do is believe and

allow it to happen. Of course this is more of a way of life than it is a

remedy for when we are ill. The Essenes of 8000 years ago knew this as

have all the past masters.

Yes, I do agree that herbs have a place, much more so than modern

medicines. The usage of herbs can bring about seeming miracles in

someone who has allowed their constitution to be severly compromised. No

doubt about it. I have no problem with anyone wishing to treat

themselves with herbs and with proper diet. I still recommend such too.

But, there is a better way that causes a whole lot less stress on the

sick body and that way is fasting when one is ill. It is nature's way.

It is also nature's way to eat from the bounty of nature and not from

the bounty of Safeway, Kroger's, Wal-Mart, Alpha-Beta, or any of the

other manufactured stores. The best place, other than nature, to eat is

at the local farmers market (preferrably they have organic) or to grow

your own.

No doubt about it Gloria, we all have much to do concerning ourselves.

Each and every one of us. We will all choose that path that best suits

us and I hope we will all be so gracious to share our thoughts and

feelings (in a good way) with one another so we can all grow and learn.

Thanks Gloria.

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Peace be with you, Gloria.

Don " Quai " Eitner

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses. ~Jean

Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire

The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb

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Animals do not have this ability and therefore will turn to herbs to help heal themselves as they are unable to do so with the power of their own thoughts. We humans, on the other hand, do not need to resort to that which is outside of

ourselves.

Hi Don!

When my animals are sick they stop eating (fasting?), and will eat grass and then vomit to clean themselves out. I see this as being perfectly in tune with nature. I feel, as humans, we "think" too much (and it's usually the ego thinking). We have gotten so far away from using basic tools that are right under our noses and complicate the whole healing process. I feel confident in saying that not many of us are at the point where we harbor no belief in any type of illness in our subconscious. Identification with the body is usually one of the last vestiges of "the illusion" to go. Rather than thinking of animals as being less evolved, I think that we would be wise to begin following what are furry critters teach us. My cats always stretch their bodies when they awaken, roll on their backs to massage themselves, meticulously clean themselves a few times a day, have the ability to sense when a storm (or impending danger) is coming an hour before it hits, accurately sense the mood I'm in without my saying a word, have no fear of death, have total trust, have no concept of "bad" and "good", give unconditional love, and never worry about anything. Yes, they aren't capable of being consciously awakened to the extent that human beings are, but if we would copy and learn from them to just live life on life's terms and let it flow effortlessly, we will then be able to go even beyond that and free our consciousness to manifest infinite possibilities.

Gloria