Re: Sun cancer risk -- fact or fiction?

July 2, 2005

I've read some things on this list, and ohers, that lead me to believe my constant use of SPF

30 might be unnecessary.

I'm still on the fence about sun exposure and skin cancer. There are those who say that some sun everyday actually cures skin cancer, others who say because of the ozone it's best to protect against rays. I still go out in the sun, though. I don't lay in it, but I do go and work in the garden etc. I usually wear some sunblock on my face and exposed areas. I am red-headed, very fair skinned, burn easily, freckles and moles...the kind of person who is supposed to be extra careful, but the only thing I do is make sure I don't stay out long enough to get fried (which can happen to me pretty fast). LOL! I'm more concerned about getting wrinkles from the sun than skin cancer!!! I know people who look like prunes after years and years of sunbathing.

Gloria

July 2, 2005

Wrinkles? Too late! I was a sun worshipper as a young woman. Who wasn't in the '60s and '70s? We all wanted to be "California Girls". Slather on that baby oil and bake. It's probably a good thing I lived in Washington or I'd probably be a lot more pruney than I am.

And you got a tan??? My skin doesn't tan. Zilch melanin I guess. Even when I went to the beach and stayed out all day as a kid, never ever got tan. I just got more freckes but my skin stayed as white as ever. So after adolescence I didn't even try.

A few years ago I started getting some sunscreen at a health food store and used that all the time..... Winter, summer, etc..I just used it in place of moisturizer. Now I'm using progesterone cream on my face (right, Suzi??!! ;-) ). I follow a lot of Ayurvedic suggestions for my dosha and use sesame oil at night and also do some body massages with it. But I still have no idea whether the sun is bad or good for ya!

The jury is still out on that one ;-).

Gloria

July 2, 2005

I have around to keep my baby face and don't see "prune" features appearing. Works for me and saves $ too.

I deal with a lot of different people on my job and it amazes me how many people in their 80's look 50, and how many people in their 30's look 50. When I ask some questions, the condition of their skin seems more related to how much time they have spent in the sun than anything else. I know a 55+ lady who smokes like a chimney, drinks like a fish but spends hardly anytime outdoors. Her skin is perfect! I really think, cosmetically speaking, sun damage is a major cause of premature aging. Some people might have escaped this, but, in many many cases, a lot of sunbathing really did visible damage.

Gloria

July 2, 2005

Hello All!

See this very recent article:

http://www.mercola.com/forms/aubrey_sunblock.htm

Sue

KathyL wrote:

Well...my ex had precancerous/suspicious moles on his back due to the sun.Kathy----- Original Message ----- From: "roseor2000" <rose@...><health >Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:23 AMSubject: Sun cancer risk -- fact or fiction?> I've read some things on this list, and ohers, that lead me to believe myconstant use of SPF> 30 might be unnecessary. What are opinions of list members and goodsources of factual> information on the real vs perceived risks of spending time unprotected inthe sun?> Rose>>>>I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 440 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!

July 2, 2005

Gloria,

I don't use any sun exposure creams/lotions and I am a mile high. I do like using olive oil or others oils I have around to keep my baby face and don't see "prune" features appearing. Works for me and saves $ too.

carolMorningGlory113@... wrote:

I've read some things on this list, and ohers, that lead me to believe my constant use of SPF 30 might be unnecessary.

July 2, 2005

Gloria said: "I am red-headed, very fair skinned, burn easily, freckles and moles...the kind of person who is supposed to be extra careful, but the only thing I do is make sure I don't stay out long enough to get fried (which can happen to me pretty fast). LOL!"

YOU DESCRIBED ME EXACTLY!!!! Red hair, green eyes, freckles, only now at 55 and 90 - 100% raw for over 6 years I do not burn like I used to. Of course if I stay out between 10 - 2 the whole time uncovered I burn, anyone would. I just don't stay out there during those times and when I am out there I do not wear my contacts or my glasses. Sunlight absorption through the eyes is extremely important for our health. I am sure it is why I don't burn as badly as I used to.

And if I do burn I put coconut oil or aloe vera on as often as I think about it and by the next morning it is usually gone.

Wrinkles? Too late! I was a sun worshipper as a young woman. Who wasn't in the '60s and '70s? We all wanted to be "California Girls". Slather on that baby oil and bake. It's probably a good thing I lived in Washington or I'd probably be a lot more pruney than I am. It's really not that bad at all for 55. Plus I drank and drugged to excess and smoked. However, since going all raw people stop me in stores and ask what I use on my face and they can't handle it when I say "water". They keep waiting for the other steps, but there are none unless you count coconut oil in the winter when working at the ski resort.

Shari

July 2, 2005

Gloria,

I don't avoid sun, nor bake in it either. If I'm working in the garden and it's sunny, I keep working but enjoy the natural light I get. For me I wouldn't be soaking in the rays, as a sunworshipper, but I do enjoy it's healing, warming comfort it brings to me. Makes me feel good vs. sitting in this house trying to get light even the full spectrum bulb is not giving enough of. Of course I need more.

carol

July 2, 2005

Gloria,

I am dark haired and medium skinned though seeing my sheet like legs one would wonder..lol. I am 100% Sicilian decent and honestly, I cannot tan for nothing. Thankfully, I was never one to lie and bake in the sun. When I would go down the shore with my friends when younger, I would often be up on the boardwalk while they were lying there trying to be another race...ha sorry but it is true. I've run into some of them too and they look so aged. I am a smoker for 33 years and I am lucky that I don't have many wrinkles at all. Well unless there is a particulary extra stressful day (my standards since everyday is one) or I am just plain over tired.

I have always moisturized and often go to bed looking like a salad. Guido...keep your comments to yourself! haha

Four years ago I went on a boat with my ex, our son and a friend of his. I took care of them well making sure they had sunblock on and on. We were on that boat for nine hours. I had taken a sedative since I have a fear of water and felt great. But neglected Toni...I was burnt to a bloody crisp! lol Four years later my back still shows the branded marks. I learned that lesson and then some

Hope everyone is having a great day

I'm kinda lonely today which is strange since I am comfortable being alone being that I am so good at it...lol

It is all okay. I just need to get busy.

Hugs and blessings,

Tone

And you got a tan??? My skin doesn't tan. Zilch melanin I guess. Even when I went to the beach and stayed out all day as a kid, never ever got tan. I just got more freckes but my skin stayed as white as ever. So after adolescence I didn't even try. A few years ago I started getting some sunscreen at a health food store and used that all the time..... Winter, summer, etc..I just used it in place of moisturizer. Now I'm using progesterone cream on my face (right, Suzi??!! ;-) ). I follow a lot of Ayurvedic suggestions for my dosha and use sesame oil at night and also do some body massages with it. But I still have no idea whether the sun is bad or good for ya! The jury is still out on that one ;-).

July 2, 2005

roseor2000 wrote:

> I've read some things on this list, and ohers, that lead me to believe

> my constant use of SPF

> 30 might be unnecessary. What are opinions of list members and good

> sources of factual

> information on the real vs perceived risks of spending time

> unprotected in the sun?

> Rose

=========================

Hi Rose,

This is an area that is well, quite controversial. There are lots of

differing opinions as you may already know. My truth is that the sun

heals, it does not create dis-ease nor skin problems. We create those

ourselves by our choices in lifestyle and food. The sun only brings out

what is sick inside so that it may be more easily dealt with.

This is just my truth though. I am quite sure you will hear many others.

By the way, get rid of the SPF toxins and use something natural like

olive oil or sesame oil or something like that. I do believe that olive

oil has an SPF rating of 20, if I recall correctly. Might be less though.

--

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July 2, 2005

Kathy L wrote:

> Well...my ex had precancerous/suspicious moles on his back due to the sun.

>

> Kathy

========================

Hi Kathy,

Most likely he had them long before the sun. All moles are considered

precancerous. The sun does not cause moles, it is our choices that

create these.

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July 2, 2005

MorningGlory113@... wrote:

> I've read some things on this list, and ohers, that lead me to believe

> my constant use of SPF

> 30 might be unnecessary.

>

> I'm still on the fence about sun exposure and skin cancer. There are

> those who say that some sun everyday actually cures skin cancer,

> others who say because of the ozone it's best to protect against rays.

> I still go out in the sun, though. I don't lay in it, but I do go and

> work in the garden etc. I usually wear some sunblock on my face and

> exposed areas. I am red-headed, very fair skinned, burn easily,

> freckles and moles...the kind of person who is supposed to be extra

> careful, but the only thing I do is make sure I don't stay out long

> enough to get fried (which can happen to me pretty fast). LOL! I'm

> more concerned about getting wrinkles from the sun than skin cancer!!!

> I know people who look like prunes after years and years of sunbathing.

>

> Gloria

===========================

Hi Gloria,

New Zealand is one place you do not want to lay out in the sun in unless

you have some protection. From my understanding, talking with a New

Zealand native, they don't have much ozone over their little country and

you can get really pretty badly burnt. Yes, too much of anything is not

good. However, frying the skin does not lead to cancer. This is a hype

that is continually being perpetrated by the medical/pharmaceutical and

who knows who else establishments for whatever their reasons.

Yes there are people who look quite prunish and most likely because of

their diet too and not the sun. The sun will have an effect but only in

attempting to heal what is already damaged by diet.

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Don " Quai " Eitner

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July 2, 2005

Shari Viger wrote:

> Gloria said: " I am red-headed, very fair skinned, burn easily,

> freckles and moles...the kind of person who is supposed to be extra

> careful, but the only thing I do is make sure I don't stay out long

> enough to get fried (which can happen to me pretty fast). LOL! "

>

> YOU DESCRIBED ME EXACTLY!!!! Red hair, green eyes, freckles, only now

> at 55 and 90 - 100% raw for over 6 years I do not burn like I used

> to. Of course if I stay out between 10 - 2 the whole time uncovered I

> burn, anyone would. I just don't stay out there during those times

> and when I am out there I do not wear my contacts or my glasses.

> Sunlight absorption through the eyes is extremely important for our

> health. I am sure it is why I don't burn as badly as I used to.

>

> And if I do burn I put coconut oil or aloe vera on as often as I think

> about it and by the next morning it is usually gone.

>

> Wrinkles? Too late! I was a sun worshipper as a young woman. Who

> wasn't in the '60s and '70s? We all wanted to be " California Girls " .

> Slather on that baby oil and bake. It's probably a good thing I lived

> in Washington or I'd probably be a lot more pruney than I am. It's

> really not that bad at all for 55. Plus I drank and drugged to excess

> and smoked. However, since going all raw people stop me in stores and

> ask what I use on my face and they can't handle it when I say

> " water " . They keep waiting for the other steps, but there are none

> unless you count coconut oil in the winter when working at the ski resort.

>

> Shari

==========================

Okay Shari,

I am one who doesn't. I do not burn and I am out in the sun pretty much

constantly. Since living in Arizona and going all raw and all that hot

weather cleansing I do not burn any more. If I do burn it is there and

then gone within hours. I have been a laying in the sun since I can

remember. Hanging out at the beaches of sunny southern California whilst

growing up.

Another good point you brought up here too, is the use of sunglasses or

colored contacts. These objects fool your body into believing that it

is darker than it really is. Therefore your body does not produce the

proper amount of melanin it needs to protect against the solar

radiations. This is one reason why so many people burn so badly. I use

no sunglasses ever, course I also do a lot of sungazing to and have for

the last four or five years.

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Don " Quai " Eitner

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July 2, 2005

MorningGlory113@... wrote:

> I have around to keep my baby face and don't see " prune " features

> appearing. Works for me and saves $ too.

>

> I deal with a lot of different people on my job and it amazes me how

> many people in their 80's look 50, and how many people in their 30's

> look 50. When I ask some questions, the condition of their skin seems

> more related to how much time they have spent in the sun than anything

> else. I know a 55+ lady who smokes like a chimney, drinks like a fish

> but spends hardly anytime outdoors. Her skin is perfect! I really

> think, cosmetically speaking, sun damage is a major cause of premature

> aging. Some people might have escaped this, but, in many many cases, a

> lot of sunbathing really did visible damage.

>

>>

>> Gloria

>

===============================

I have to disagree with you on this Gloria. It isn't the sun that is the

cause of premature aging, it is the choice in diet. A toxic body cannot

properly operate and deal with sun and solar radiations let alone much

of anything else.

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Don " Quai " Eitner

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and wakes in man. "

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July 2, 2005

I never said I tanned. I just laid out and tried! LOL I'm like you, burn, peel, burn, peel, no tan.

Sun is good. We need it to balance our brains to balance our bodies to balance our emotions to balance our hormones to balance our lives.

http://www.sumeria.net/health/light.html

The Role of Light in Health

Ott's experiments showed that sunlight absorbed through the eyes had dramatic effects on the pineal gland and the healing of cancer.

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/healingwithlight2.html

Some interesting reading.

Shari

July 2, 2005

Actually they came out after we met. He was 18 then...they came out a couple

of years later and they did biopsies on the ones they removed. 1 was ok but

the others were suspicious.

I also never had any moles on my back. All of a sudden I had 5 pop up in my

30's and one is fairly large but so far is cymetrical and the colour is

even. I tended to burn when I went out as a kid....didn't matter how long I

was out or how much tan I had from previous burns (they all tanned

eventually) My legs hardly ever tan though...even after a burn. Halter tops

were popular then so my back was exposed to the sun all summer and I rode my

bike a lot and was outside a lot of the time.

Kathy L.

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