Re: Ever notice raw foodist coming down with CFS?

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All stimulants are a

> poison to the body in the regard as the body does everything in

its

> power to eliminate it. This uses the bodies own natural vital

energy and

> is a waste of said energy. Why waste ones vital energy? Would be

much

> better to fast and allow ones body to heal itself naturally then

to

> poison it.

>

That is a powerful insight, it makes me quite uncomfortable to

think too deeply on that one. It makes the herbalist in me

go " OUCH " . Historically in the 19th century the herbalist became

popular as a move away from the poisons used by the MDs. Not too

different from what we do today. So IF this concepts holds up to

practice then it could be a doorway to a much easier and simpler

(many times I think simpler is synomonous with more powerful)

healing methodology. That's what you folks are advocating and doing

a good job doing so. Grrrrr.

Yes, it boils down to choice. People choose to get healthy or

they choose not too. Plants don't do it for you, they just help

out. Natural processes within the body do the healing and not the

medicine. Some highly effective forms of healing are done on much

subtler levels than the gross physical form. However, as healers,

one can do a lot of good by being able to shift from level to level

using different approaches when needed. This person might need some

aloe vera gel on a sunburn, another might benefit more from a

particular yoga asana or chi kung maneuver. Another might prosper

from some spiritual prayer/shamanic work or even invasive

reconstructive surgery on a shattered limb. So as you say, that's

why there are a bunch of different practioners doing different

modalities of healing. I think most recognize we can't do squat if

the person doesn't want to better him/herself and is unwilling to

make the changes necessary to do so.

Anyway, I thank you much for this discussion. It certainly

provides food for thought though it makes me feel a bit raw around

the edges. Hehe, as they say in the book " Everything I Ever Needed

to Know was on Star Trek " , end each episode with humor.

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prayerfulmantis wrote:

>

> That is a powerful insight, it makes me quite uncomfortable to

> think too deeply on that one. It makes the herbalist in me

> go " OUCH " . Historically in the 19th century the herbalist became

> popular as a move away from the poisons used by the MDs. Not too

> different from what we do today. So IF this concepts holds up to

> practice then it could be a doorway to a much easier and simpler

> (many times I think simpler is synomonous with more powerful)

> healing methodology. That's what you folks are advocating and doing

> a good job doing so. Grrrrr.

> Yes, it boils down to choice. People choose to get healthy or

> they choose not too. Plants don't do it for you, they just help

> out. Natural processes within the body do the healing and not the

> medicine. Some highly effective forms of healing are done on much

> subtler levels than the gross physical form. However, as healers,

> one can do a lot of good by being able to shift from level to level

> using different approaches when needed. This person might need some

> aloe vera gel on a sunburn, another might benefit more from a

> particular yoga asana or chi kung maneuver. Another might prosper

> from some spiritual prayer/shamanic work or even invasive

> reconstructive surgery on a shattered limb. So as you say, that's

> why there are a bunch of different practioners doing different

> modalities of healing. I think most recognize we can't do squat if

> the person doesn't want to better him/herself and is unwilling to

> make the changes necessary to do so.

> Anyway, I thank you much for this discussion. It certainly

> provides food for thought though it makes me feel a bit raw around

> the edges. Hehe, as they say in the book " Everything I Ever Needed

> to Know was on Star Trek " , end each episode with humor.

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Hi

I too am an herbalist. I had a rough time understanding how usage of

herbs is actually not good for the body. But the more I read and the

more I talk with those who do understand the laws of nature the more I

am beginning to understand how nature truly works.

I don't discount herbs or homeopathic remedies as they do work for those

who believe in them and they are dang sight better to use and much

easier on the body than allopathic medications. No doubt about it. But

to use something outside oneself is to not believe in the innate wisdom

of our own body, which knows much better about what it needs than we do.

Nature created the human body in perfection with natural laws. The human

body is much more capable at healing itself than we are at healing our

own body (I hope this makes sense).

Anyway, I am very happy that you are on this list and that you have

chosen to have this wonderful discourse with me. I really appreciate it

and wish to thank you for your time and the effort you have put into

your posts. My intent is not to make anyone feel raw around the edges

but to educate. I cannot heal anyone, I can only heal myself. However, I

can educate anyone who wishes to listen to what I have to say and is

willing to consider, in the deepest levels of their mind, what I speak.

We all evolve and this list is an extension of myself, so it naturally

evolves with me as I present my ideas and wisdom I have learned. This

list is quite different from a year ago, that is for sure.

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Peace be with you, and thanks for the wonderful insights.

Don " Quai " Eitner

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses. ~Jean

Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire

The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb

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[Guest guest]

Gee, thanks for the positive feedback folks. I need to point out

that the last couple lines of the post were humor and not to be taken

too seriously:

" It certainly

> > provides food for thought though it makes me feel a bit raw around

> > the edges. "

Puns relating to food and raw eating seemed appropriate.

I enjoy the list and if it's not evolving then that indicates

that we aren't. I've noticed that the stuff that worked well for me 2

years ago are frequently from an approach/mindset that doesn't match

what I would do today for the same thing. That's the nature of this

stuff though. As we evolve so does our practice.