Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogenase containing the coenzyme NAD+. The acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2 and water through the citric acid cycle. " http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/642alcoholmet.html Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the concentration is high enough. http://www.google.ca/search? hl=en & q=candida+intoxication & btnG=Search & meta= Duncan > > > > Yes, you can drink vodka because although it may be an irritant it > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Yes, very dry wine contains very little sugar to feed candida, so people have been tolerating it. Duncan > > > > Yes, you can drink vodka because although it may be an irritant it > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Another myth busted! Cheers to that. Vicky > > No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the > metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde > catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogenase containing the coenzyme NAD+. The > acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2 and > water through the citric acid cycle. " > http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/642alcoholmet.html > > Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida > intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the > concentration is high enough. > > http://www.google.ca/search? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Does candida make you drowsy? I read of a man who showed up positive to breath test without drinking due to bad candidiasis. I often feel drowsy and am not up to driving, or walking. I cannot tolerate alcohol because my liver is poisoned with Hg. Barbara > > > > > > Yes, you can drink vodka because although it may be an irritant it > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Interesting concept, that enough alcohol stops candida reproducing. If this is true, it would make sense as to one reason why alcoholics may need alcohol, and have such a hard time stopping for long. I know there is a site (Dr. Wong) _http://www.docsprefer.com/creamoftartar.html_ (http://www.docsprefer.com/creamoftartar.html) that claims eating cream of Tartar controls candida, which is a byproduct of wine making because they claim candida cannot leave in its own excrement. I tried it for a short while, and did indeed get die off and it helped with constipation, but was hesitant to continue the therapy as I, like Duncan, like to see some science to support what I am doing. Unfortunately there was just about nothing to find on this, but if I had no money for other therapies it would definitely be something to consider as it is cheap, and I like the way it dovetailed with Duncan's suggestion to take inulin. Terry **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 I hate to be the party-pooper here but I disagree with the advice that booze is OK when you have candida. I don't think alcohol is good for healthy people either. It is a neurotoxin for starters, which is why people become intoxicated in the first place. There is a reason why the word " toxic " is part of the word intoxicated. The word origins of the word mean " to be overcome by toxins " . Die-off is all about detoxifying the body so you do not want to overwhelm your body with more toxins than it can handle. Alcohol has many negative effects on health and that's the last thing someone who is suffering from candida needs when they are already having poor health. Alcohol can cause/increase depression, dehydrate you, over-tax your kidneys and liver and a lot more. Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: multitoed > > Another myth busted! > > Cheers to that. > > Vicky > > > > > > No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the > > metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde > > catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogenase containing the coenzyme NAD+. > The > > acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2 > and > > water through the citric acid cycle. " > > http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/642alcoholmet.html > > > > Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida > > intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the > > concentration is high enough. > > > > http://www.google.ca/search? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the question was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow works for me Duncan > > > > > > No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the > > > metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde > > > catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogenase containing the coenzyme NAD+. > > The > > > acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2 > > and > > > water through the citric acid cycle. " > > > http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/642alcoholmet.html > > > > > > Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida > > > intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the > > > concentration is high enough. > > > > > > http://www.google.ca/search? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Agreed.. happy new year. Mine shall be celebrated without intoxication. Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Duncan Crow > > I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the question > was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It > doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow works > for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 thanks for saying this- i was actually laughing w/ DH that the topic of the evening on the candida group was...booze. i have some sulfite free wine here but it has been so long that I can't even find my wine opener! guess i'll have to stay sober! Amy Homeschool and Life Blog Art, Music and Nature Blog Healthy Home Blog ________________________________ From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...> candidiasis Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:02:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: booze? I hate to be the party-pooper here but I disagree with the advice that booze is OK when you have candida. I don't think alcohol is good for healthy people either. It is a neurotoxin for starters, which is why people become intoxicated in the first place. There is a reason why the word " toxic " is part of the word intoxicated. The word origins of the word mean " to be overcome by toxins " . Die-off is all about detoxifying the body so you do not want to overwhelm your body with more toxins than it can handle. Alcohol has many negative effects on health and that's the last thing someone who is suffering from candida needs when they are already having poor health. Alcohol can cause/increase depression, dehydrate you, over-tax your kidneys and liver and a lot more. Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: http://health. groups.. com/group/ curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com ----- Original Message ---- > From: multitoed > > Another myth busted! > > Cheers to that. > > Vicky > > > > > > No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the > > metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde > > catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogena se containing the coenzyme NAD+. > The > > acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2 > and > > water through the citric acid cycle. " > > http://www.elmhurst .edu/~chm/ vchembook/ 642alcoholmet. html > > > > Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida > > intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the > > concentration is high enough. > > > > http://www.google. ca/search? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 I appreciate your thoughts on booze Debby. I was seriously considering imbibing this evening. But your post reminded me of all the negatives of alcohol. Tho my fatigue is less, it is still there. Tho my gut is doing well, an unknown ingredient can still wreck havoc. I am not healed. I will not drink alcohol until such time that I am. Thanks Debby, I needed that! Karin _____ From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On Behalf Of Debby Padilla-Hudson Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:07 PM candidiasis Subject: Re: Re: booze? Agreed.. happy new year. Mine shall be celebrated without intoxication. Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: http://health. <curingcandida/> /group/curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturall <http://www.naturallythriving.com> ythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Duncan Crow > > I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the question > was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It > doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow works > for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; couldn't host a show without havin' a few.... Duncan > > Agreed.. happy new year. Mine shall be celebrated without intoxication. > > Luv, Debby in San , CA > 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology > Group: curingcandida/ > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Duncan Crow > > > > I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the question > > was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It > > doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow works > > for me > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Which candida is used for wine making I wonder? Probably none; Brewers Yeast is not candida. Duncan > > Interesting concept, that enough alcohol stops candida reproducing. If this > is true, it would make sense as to one reason why alcoholics may need alcohol, > and have such a hard time stopping for long. > I know there is a site (Dr. Wong) > _http://www.docsprefer.com/creamoftartar.html_ (http://www.docsprefer.com/creamoftartar.html) that claims eating > cream of Tartar controls candida, which is a byproduct of wine making because > they claim candida cannot leave in its own excrement. > I tried it for a short while, and did indeed get die off and it helped > with constipation, but was hesitant to continue the therapy as I, like Duncan, > like to see some science to support what I am doing. Unfortunately there was > just about nothing to find on this, but if I had no money for other therapies > it would definitely be something to consider as it is cheap, and I like the way > it dovetailed with Duncan's suggestion to take inulin. > Terry > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 No problem. I discussed this with a few people privately, and I wanted to add that health practitioners often advocate ideal lifestyle changes but advocating them and following them are two different things. I think it's important to balance doing your best to be healthy with enjoying life. I think so often we sit here and talk about all these scientific details, and NOT enough about how to actually LIVE the lifestyle. Too often we can feel isolated or deprived or any number of negative emotions when we are trying to make healthy choices within a culture that is not supportive. Here's a few things I do to help me not feel as " deprived " or cope with situations: - Reward myself with " healthy " things like hot baths, pedicures, massages, a good romance novel, etc. - When friends invite me to restaurants, invite them to my house instead and cook a meal for them - Avoid situations where I know there are too many temptations - Invite friends to go ballroom dancing, for a walk in the park, etc. rather than bars, restaurants, etc. - " Retail therapy " - as in walking around the mall (avoiding the food area) or farmer's market or flea markets and shopping I think we should discuss this topic (coping strategies) a lot more in this group, and I'd love to hear other people's ideas on this topic. Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Karin Kratina > > I appreciate your thoughts on booze Debby. I was seriously considering > imbibing this evening. But your post reminded me of all the negatives of > alcohol. Tho my fatigue is less, it is still there. Tho my gut is doing > well, an unknown ingredient can still wreck havoc. I am not healed. I will > not drink alcohol until such time that I am. > > Thanks Debby, I needed that! > Karin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Duncan, it surprises me that a braniac like yourself would be shy singing karaoke. I would think with your intelligence and accomplishments you'd be superbly confident in yourself. I think it's an interesting phenomena meeting all sorts of intellectuals who seem to either be entirely too arrogant and full of themselves or alternatively completely lacking in confidence despite plenty of reason to have it. I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone cold sober every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation I did on the fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for thought... Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Duncan Crow > > I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; couldn't > host a show without havin' a few.... > > Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Then there are people who just can't sing and know it....and do a great service to the public by not singing. candidiasis@...: debbypadilla@...: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:17:17 -0800Subject: Re: Re: booze? Duncan, it surprises me that a braniac like yourself would be shy singing karaoke. I would think with your intelligence and accomplishments you'd be superbly confident in yourself. I think it's an interesting phenomena meeting all sorts of intellectuals who seem to either be entirely too arrogant and full of themselves or alternatively completely lacking in confidence despite plenty of reason to have it. I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone cold sober every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation I did on the fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for thought...Luv, Debby in San , CA147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in PsychologyGroup: curingcandida/Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com----- Original Message ----> From: Duncan Crow > > I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; couldn't > host a show without havin' a few....> > Duncan _________________________________________________________________ Holiday cheer from Messenger. Download free emoticons today! http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=669758 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote: > I think we should discuss this topic (coping strategies) a lot more in this group, and I'd love to hear other people's ideas on this topic. > A lot of the choices I make are not ideal according to health " authorities " . Some are constrained by my allergies, some are simply choices made because they cause me to give up too many other things. I still have limited energy so I have to pick and choose what I spend it on. Some are choices I made because I just plain don't like the " better " alternatives. I like your idea of coping strategies, and am going to think about them in my own life. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Well, we are all different, I can't imagine anyone even wanting to sing karaoke under the influence or not. I'd just as soon have someone hit me in the head with a hammer, two hammers if I have to sit and listen in a bar full of drunks. sol Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote: > I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone cold sober every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation I did on the fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for thought... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 LOL. I'm not a big fan of karaoke, but it's entertaining at times. Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: sol > > Well, we are all different, I can't imagine anyone even wanting to sing > karaoke under the influence or not. I'd just as soon have someone hit me > in the head with a hammer, two hammers if I have to sit and listen in a > bar full of drunks. > sol > > Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote: > > I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone cold sober > every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation I did on the > fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I only sing to my pet rabbit..............he's deaf. sol Sullivan wrote: > Then there are people who just can't sing and know it....and do a great service to the public by not singing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I'm so bad that when I went caroling, my best friend said " just mouth the words " lol Samala, -------Original Message------- I only sing to my pet rabbit..............he's deaf. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Debby, I do about 500 songs and I'm not shy about it at all; it's more about being able to tie on on with the 20-somethings and party at their level. The karaoke host projects energy that spurs the party on, and projecting sobriety on a drinking crowd while I'm hosting a show is not something that would help the party or the business. So, I wouldn't drop this pattern. Besides I would not have met my soulmate if I hadn't been hosting these shows drunk at this particular bar so it tuned out to be a great way to wait for that event Duncan > > Duncan, it surprises me that a braniac like yourself would be shy singing karaoke. I would think with your intelligence and accomplishments you'd be superbly confident in yourself. I think it's an interesting phenomena meeting all sorts of intellectuals who seem to either be entirely too arrogant and full of themselves or alternatively completely lacking in confidence despite plenty of reason to have it. > > I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone cold sober every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation I did on the fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for thought... > > Luv, Debby in San , CA > 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology > Group: curingcandida/ > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Duncan Crow > > > > I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; couldn't > > host a show without havin' a few.... > > > > Duncan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Er, apologies to all those people who also sat at their favourite bar drunk and DIDN'T have their soulmate walk up and introduce themselves. I understand it happens a lot Duncan > > > > Duncan, it surprises me that a braniac like yourself would be shy > singing karaoke. I would think with your intelligence and > accomplishments you'd be superbly confident in yourself. I think it's > an interesting phenomena meeting all sorts of intellectuals who seem > to either be entirely too arrogant and full of themselves or > alternatively completely lacking in confidence despite plenty of > reason to have it. > > > > I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone > cold sober every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad > presentation I did on the fear of being in front of an audience. > Well.. just some food for thought... > > > > Luv, Debby in San , CA > > 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology > > Group: curingcandida/ > > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Duncan Crow > > > > > > I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; > couldn't > > > host a show without havin' a few.... > > > > > > Duncan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 My " coping strategy " involves taking supplements to mitigate some of the harmful effects of booze. There's nothing about my life I'd really want to change except perhaps to pick up one more karaoke night. I love you but pls Debby don't bring your sober friends; the bar needs to sell booze and the entertainment is really for drinkers! I've seen karaoke nights deteriorate when too many people are straight. Duncan > > I think we should discuss this topic (coping strategies) a lot more in this group, and I'd love to hear other people's ideas on this topic. > > > A lot of the choices I make are not ideal according to health > " authorities " . Some are constrained by my allergies, some are simply > choices made because they cause me to give up too many other things. I > still have limited energy so I have to pick and choose what I spend it > on. Some are choices I made because I just plain don't like the " better " > alternatives. > I like your idea of coping strategies, and am going to think about them > in my own life. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 the key word here is ''COULDN'T " and by the way you could have Duncan. From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> Subject: Re: booze? candidiasis Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 5:43 PM I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; couldn't host a show without havin' a few.... Duncan > > Agreed.. happy new year. Mine shall be celebrated without intoxication. > > Luv, Debby in San , CA > 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology > Group: http://health. groups.. com/group/ curingcandida/ > Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Duncan Crow > > > > I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the question > > was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It > > doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow works > > for me > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hi Duncan, I (occasionally) will accompany husband to our local water hole. Am wondering what supplements you take to " mitigate " the harmful effects of alcohol?  Thanks! ________________________________ From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> candidiasis Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 12:53:18 PM Subject: Re: booze? My " coping strategy " involves taking supplements to mitigate some of the harmful effects of booze. There's nothing about my life I'd really want to change except perhaps to pick up one more karaoke night. I love you but pls Debby don't bring your sober friends; the bar needs to sell booze and the entertainment is really for drinkers! I've seen karaoke nights deteriorate when too many people are straight. Duncan > > I think we should discuss this topic (coping strategies) a lot more in this group, and I'd love to hear other people's ideas on this topic. > > > A lot of the choices I make are not ideal according to health > " authorities " . Some are constrained by my allergies, some are simply > choices made because they cause me to give up too many other things. I > still have limited energy so I have to pick and choose what I spend it > on. Some are choices I made because I just plain don't like the " better " > alternatives. > I like your idea of coping strategies, and am going to think about them > in my own life. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.