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No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the

metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde

catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogenase containing the coenzyme NAD+. The

acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2 and

water through the citric acid cycle. "

http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/642alcoholmet.html

Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida

intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the

concentration is high enough.

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Duncan

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> > Yes, you can drink vodka because although it may be an irritant it

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Yes, very dry wine contains very little sugar to feed candida, so

people have been tolerating it.

Duncan

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> > Yes, you can drink vodka because although it may be an irritant it

> >

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Another myth busted!

Cheers to that.

Vicky

>

> No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the

> metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde

> catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogenase containing the coenzyme NAD+.

The

> acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2

and

> water through the citric acid cycle. "

> http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/642alcoholmet.html

>

> Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida

> intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the

> concentration is high enough.

>

> http://www.google.ca/search?

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Does candida make you drowsy? I read of a man who showed up positive

to breath test without drinking due to bad candidiasis. I often feel

drowsy and am not up to driving, or walking. I cannot tolerate

alcohol because my liver is poisoned with Hg.

Barbara

> > >

> > > Yes, you can drink vodka because although it may be an irritant

it

> > >

> >

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Interesting concept, that enough alcohol stops candida reproducing. If this

is true, it would make sense as to one reason why alcoholics may need alcohol,

and have such a hard time stopping for long.

I know there is a site (Dr. Wong)

_http://www.docsprefer.com/creamoftartar.html_

(http://www.docsprefer.com/creamoftartar.html) that claims eating

cream of Tartar controls candida, which is a byproduct of wine making because

they claim candida cannot leave in its own excrement.

I tried it for a short while, and did indeed get die off and it helped

with constipation, but was hesitant to continue the therapy as I, like Duncan,

like to see some science to support what I am doing. Unfortunately there was

just about nothing to find on this, but if I had no money for other therapies

it would definitely be something to consider as it is cheap, and I like the way

it dovetailed with Duncan's suggestion to take inulin.

Terry

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I hate to be the party-pooper here but I disagree with the advice that booze is

OK when you have candida. I don't think alcohol is good for healthy people

either. It is a neurotoxin for starters, which is why people become intoxicated

in the first place. There is a reason why the word " toxic " is part of the word

intoxicated. The word origins of the word mean " to be overcome by

toxins " .

Die-off is all about detoxifying the body so you do not want to overwhelm your

body with more toxins than it can handle. Alcohol has many negative effects on

health and that's the last thing someone who is suffering from candida needs

when they are already having poor health. Alcohol can cause/increase

depression, dehydrate you, over-tax your kidneys and liver and a lot more.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: multitoed

>

> Another myth busted!

>

> Cheers to that.

>

> Vicky

>

>

> >

> > No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the

> > metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde

> > catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogenase containing the coenzyme NAD+.

> The

> > acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2

> and

> > water through the citric acid cycle. "

> > http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/642alcoholmet.html

> >

> > Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida

> > intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the

> > concentration is high enough.

> >

> > http://www.google.ca/search?

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I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the question

was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It

doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow works

for me ;)

Duncan

> > >

> > > No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in

the

> > > metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to

acetaldehyde

> > > catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogenase containing the coenzyme NAD+.

> > The

> > > acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2

> > and

> > > water through the citric acid cycle. "

> > > http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/642alcoholmet.html

> > >

> > > Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida

> > > intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the

> > > concentration is high enough.

> > >

> > > http://www.google.ca/search?

>

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Agreed.. happy new year. Mine shall be celebrated without intoxication. :P

Luv, Debby in San , CA

147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Duncan Crow

>

> I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the question

> was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It

> doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow works

> for me ;)

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thanks for saying this- i was actually laughing w/ DH that the topic of the

evening on the candida group was...booze. i have some sulfite free wine here

but it has been so long that I can't even find my wine opener! guess i'll have

to stay sober!

Amy

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From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:02:58 PM

Subject: Re: Re: booze?

I hate to be the party-pooper here but I disagree with the advice that booze is

OK when you have candida. I don't think alcohol is good for healthy people

either. It is a neurotoxin for starters, which is why people become intoxicated

in the first place. There is a reason why the word " toxic " is part of the word

intoxicated. The word origins of the word mean " to be overcome by

toxins " .

Die-off is all about detoxifying the body so you do not want to overwhelm your

body with more toxins than it can handle. Alcohol has many negative effects on

health and that's the last thing someone who is suffering from candida needs

when they are already having poor health. Alcohol can cause/increase

depression, dehydrate you, over-tax your kidneys and liver and a lot more.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Group: http://health. groups.. com/group/ curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com

----- Original Message ----

> From: multitoed

>

> Another myth busted!

>

> Cheers to that.

>

> Vicky

>

>

> >

> > No, alcohol is not metabolized into sugar; " The first step in the

> > metabolism of alcohol is the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde

> > catalyzed by alcohol/dehydrogena se containing the coenzyme NAD+.

> The

> > acetaldehyde is further oxidized to acetic acid and finally CO2

> and

> > water through the citric acid cycle. "

> > http://www.elmhurst .edu/~chm/ vchembook/ 642alcoholmet. html

> >

> > Alcohol is a well-known waste product of candida ( " candida

> > intoxication " ) and it stops candida from multiplying if the

> > concentration is high enough.

> >

> > http://www.google. ca/search?

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I appreciate your thoughts on booze Debby. I was seriously considering

imbibing this evening. But your post reminded me of all the negatives of

alcohol. Tho my fatigue is less, it is still there. Tho my gut is doing

well, an unknown ingredient can still wreck havoc. I am not healed. I will

not drink alcohol until such time that I am.

Thanks Debby, I needed that!

Karin

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Debby Padilla-Hudson

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:07 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Re: booze?

Agreed.. happy new year. Mine shall be celebrated without intoxication. :P

Luv, Debby in San , CA

147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Group: http://health. <curingcandida/>

/group/curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturall <http://www.naturallythriving.com>

ythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Duncan Crow

>

> I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the question

> was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It

> doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow works

> for me ;)

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I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; couldn't

host a show without havin' a few....

Duncan

>

> Agreed.. happy new year. Mine shall be celebrated without

intoxication. :P

>

> Luv, Debby in San , CA

> 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: Duncan Crow

> >

> > I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the

question

> > was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It

> > doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow

works

> > for me ;)

>

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Which candida is used for wine making I wonder? Probably none; Brewers

Yeast is not candida.

Duncan

>

> Interesting concept, that enough alcohol stops candida reproducing.

If this

> is true, it would make sense as to one reason why alcoholics may

need alcohol,

> and have such a hard time stopping for long.

> I know there is a site (Dr. Wong)

> _http://www.docsprefer.com/creamoftartar.html_

(http://www.docsprefer.com/creamoftartar.html) that claims eating

> cream of Tartar controls candida, which is a byproduct of wine

making because

> they claim candida cannot leave in its own excrement.

> I tried it for a short while, and did indeed get die off and it

helped

> with constipation, but was hesitant to continue the therapy as I,

like Duncan,

> like to see some science to support what I am doing. Unfortunately

there was

> just about nothing to find on this, but if I had no money for other

therapies

> it would definitely be something to consider as it is cheap, and I

like the way

> it dovetailed with Duncan's suggestion to take inulin.

> Terry

> **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is

making

> headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

>

>

>

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No problem. I discussed this with a few people privately, and I wanted to add

that health practitioners often advocate ideal lifestyle changes but advocating

them and following them are two different things. I think it's important to

balance doing your best to be healthy with enjoying life. I think so often we

sit here and talk about all these scientific details, and NOT enough about how

to actually LIVE the lifestyle.

Too often we can feel isolated or deprived or any number of negative emotions

when we are trying to make healthy choices within a culture that is not

supportive. Here's a few things I do to help me not feel as " deprived " or cope

with situations:

- Reward myself with " healthy " things like hot baths, pedicures, massages, a

good romance novel, etc.

- When friends invite me to restaurants, invite them to my house instead and

cook a meal for them

- Avoid situations where I know there are too many temptations

- Invite friends to go ballroom dancing, for a walk in the park, etc. rather

than bars, restaurants, etc.

- " Retail therapy " - as in walking around the mall (avoiding the food area) or

farmer's market or flea markets and shopping

I think we should discuss this topic (coping strategies) a lot more in this

group, and I'd love to hear other people's ideas on this topic.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Karin Kratina

>

> I appreciate your thoughts on booze Debby. I was seriously considering

> imbibing this evening. But your post reminded me of all the negatives of

> alcohol. Tho my fatigue is less, it is still there. Tho my gut is doing

> well, an unknown ingredient can still wreck havoc. I am not healed. I will

> not drink alcohol until such time that I am.

>

> Thanks Debby, I needed that!

> Karin

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Duncan, it surprises me that a braniac like yourself would be shy singing

karaoke. I would think with your intelligence and accomplishments you'd be

superbly confident in yourself. I think it's an interesting phenomena meeting

all sorts of intellectuals who seem to either be entirely too arrogant and full

of themselves or alternatively completely lacking in confidence despite plenty

of reason to have it.

I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone cold sober

every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation I did on the

fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for thought...

Luv, Debby in San , CA

147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Duncan Crow

>

> I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; couldn't

> host a show without havin' a few....

>

> Duncan

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Then there are people who just can't sing and know it....and do a great service

to the public by not singing.

candidiasis@...: debbypadilla@...: Sun, 4 Jan 2009

14:17:17 -0800Subject: Re: Re: booze?

Duncan, it surprises me that a braniac like yourself would be shy singing

karaoke. I would think with your intelligence and accomplishments you'd be

superbly confident in yourself. I think it's an interesting phenomena meeting

all sorts of intellectuals who seem to either be entirely too arrogant and full

of themselves or alternatively completely lacking in confidence despite plenty

of reason to have it. I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all)

stone cold sober every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation

I did on the fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for

thought...Luv, Debby in San , CA147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition

Certification and PhD in PsychologyGroup:

curingcandida/Website:

http://www.naturallythriving.com----- Original Message ----> From: Duncan Crow >

> I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends; couldn't > host

a show without havin' a few....> > Duncan

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Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote:

> I think we should discuss this topic (coping strategies) a lot more in this

group, and I'd love to hear other people's ideas on this topic.

>

A lot of the choices I make are not ideal according to health

" authorities " . Some are constrained by my allergies, some are simply

choices made because they cause me to give up too many other things. I

still have limited energy so I have to pick and choose what I spend it

on. Some are choices I made because I just plain don't like the " better "

alternatives.

I like your idea of coping strategies, and am going to think about them

in my own life.

sol

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Well, we are all different, I can't imagine anyone even wanting to sing

karaoke under the influence or not. I'd just as soon have someone hit me

in the head with a hammer, two hammers if I have to sit and listen in a

bar full of drunks.

sol

Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote:

> I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone cold sober

every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation I did on the

fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for thought...

>

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LOL. I'm not a big fan of karaoke, but it's entertaining at times.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: sol

>

> Well, we are all different, I can't imagine anyone even wanting to sing

> karaoke under the influence or not. I'd just as soon have someone hit me

> in the head with a hammer, two hammers if I have to sit and listen in a

> bar full of drunks.

> sol

>

> Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote:

> > I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone cold sober

> every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad presentation I did on the

> fear of being in front of an audience. Well.. just some food for thought...

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I only sing to my pet rabbit..............he's deaf.

sol

Sullivan wrote:

> Then there are people who just can't sing and know it....and do a great

service to the public by not singing.

>

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I'm so bad that when I went caroling, my best friend said " just mouth the

words " lol

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I only sing to my pet rabbit..............he's deaf.

sol

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Debby, I do about 500 songs and I'm not shy about it at all; it's more

about being able to tie on on with the 20-somethings and party at

their level. The karaoke host projects energy that spurs the party on,

and projecting sobriety on a drinking crowd while I'm hosting a show

is not something that would help the party or the business. So, I

wouldn't drop this pattern.

Besides I would not have met my soulmate if I hadn't been hosting

these shows drunk at this particular bar so it tuned out to be a great

way to wait for that event :)

Duncan

>

> Duncan, it surprises me that a braniac like yourself would be shy

singing karaoke. I would think with your intelligence and

accomplishments you'd be superbly confident in yourself. I think it's

an interesting phenomena meeting all sorts of intellectuals who seem

to either be entirely too arrogant and full of themselves or

alternatively completely lacking in confidence despite plenty of

reason to have it.

>

> I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone

cold sober every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad

presentation I did on the fear of being in front of an audience.

Well.. just some food for thought...

>

> Luv, Debby in San , CA

> 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: Duncan Crow

> >

> > I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends;

couldn't

> > host a show without havin' a few....

> >

> > Duncan

>

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Er, apologies to all those people who also sat at their favourite bar

drunk and DIDN'T have their soulmate walk up and introduce themselves.

I understand it happens a lot :(

Duncan

> >

> > Duncan, it surprises me that a braniac like yourself would be shy

> singing karaoke. I would think with your intelligence and

> accomplishments you'd be superbly confident in yourself. I think

it's

> an interesting phenomena meeting all sorts of intellectuals who seem

> to either be entirely too arrogant and full of themselves or

> alternatively completely lacking in confidence despite plenty of

> reason to have it.

> >

> > I have sang karaoke (not that I have a great voice at all) stone

> cold sober every time. I think what helped me is an undergrad

> presentation I did on the fear of being in front of an audience.

> Well.. just some food for thought...

> >

> > Luv, Debby in San , CA

> > 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in

Psychology

> > Group: curingcandida/

> > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > > From: Duncan Crow

> > >

> > > I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends;

> couldn't

> > > host a show without havin' a few....

> > >

> > > Duncan

> >

>

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My " coping strategy " involves taking supplements to mitigate some of

the harmful effects of booze. There's nothing about my life I'd really

want to change except perhaps to pick up one more karaoke night.

I love you but pls Debby don't bring your sober friends; the bar needs

to sell booze and the entertainment is really for drinkers! I've seen

karaoke nights deteriorate when too many people are straight.

Duncan

> > I think we should discuss this topic (coping strategies) a lot

more in this group, and I'd love to hear other people's ideas on this

topic.

> >

> A lot of the choices I make are not ideal according to health

> " authorities " . Some are constrained by my allergies, some are simply

> choices made because they cause me to give up too many other things.

I

> still have limited energy so I have to pick and choose what I spend

it

> on. Some are choices I made because I just plain don't like the

" better "

> alternatives.

> I like your idea of coping strategies, and am going to think about

them

> in my own life.

> sol

>

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the key word here is ''COULDN'T " and by the way you could have Duncan.

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: booze?

candidiasis

Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 5:43 PM

I'll be partying at the karaoke bar with my wife and friends;

couldn't

host a show without havin' a few....

Duncan

>

> Agreed.. happy new year. Mine shall be celebrated without

intoxication. :P

>

> Luv, Debby in San , CA

> 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

> Group: http://health. groups.. com/group/ curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> > From: Duncan Crow

> >

> > I'm sure can all agree that booze isn't good for us but the

question

> > was whether some indulgence affects a candida flare-up or not. It

> > doesn't, so Happy New Year tonight, and back to normal tomorrow

works

> > for me ;)

>

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Hi Duncan,

I (occasionally) will accompany husband to our local water hole.  Am wondering

what supplements you take to " mitigate " the harmful effects of alcohol? 

 

Thanks!

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 12:53:18 PM

Subject: Re: booze?

My " coping strategy " involves taking supplements to mitigate some of

the harmful effects of booze. There's nothing about my life I'd really

want to change except perhaps to pick up one more karaoke night.

I love you but pls Debby don't bring your sober friends; the bar needs

to sell booze and the entertainment is really for drinkers! I've seen

karaoke nights deteriorate when too many people are straight.

Duncan

> > I think we should discuss this topic (coping strategies) a lot

more in this group, and I'd love to hear other people's ideas on this

topic.

> >

> A lot of the choices I make are not ideal according to health

> " authorities " . Some are constrained by my allergies, some are simply

> choices made because they cause me to give up too many other things.

I

> still have limited energy so I have to pick and choose what I spend

it

> on. Some are choices I made because I just plain don't like the

" better "

> alternatives.

> I like your idea of coping strategies, and am going to think about

them

> in my own life.

> sol

>

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