Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 I have a basic question--where is the good and bad bacteria? Are they in the stomach and throughout the colon? I see all these debates about whether colons can get full of toxins and the naysayers say the colon is perfectly clean and you can see that on tests. If the good and bad bacteria, which are said to weigh several pounds, are in the colon then how can it be clean? Is that just the part of the colon they look at? Or are the bacteria actually in the stomach? I certainly feel reactions the instant I swallow anything and we need acid to help the stomach digest. So there must be flora in the stomach too? Of course the stuff goes into the colon from there, but I'm wondering WHERE the critters live. Sorry, just haven't had a biology class since the 7th grade... vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 They should be in the intestines only. However, people with stomach acidity issues have some bacteria found there as well. Duncan will be able to better answer than I though. As fas as not being able to " see " the bacteria.... they are there. That is established and not really a question. As for the many pounds of 'waste' that is found in the intestines, as claimed by makers of colon cleanses, I'm not sure. I don't know if it cakes to the walls of the intestines per se, but it is an issue if one is only have a bowel movement once every few days. The crap is up in there somewhere, right? Buddy On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 4:54 PM, multitoed <whimwham@...> wrote: > I have a basic question--where is the good and bad bacteria? Are they in > the stomach and > throughout the colon? > > I see all these debates about whether colons can get full of toxins and the > naysayers say the > colon is perfectly clean and you can see that on tests. If the good and bad > bacteria, which are > said to weigh several pounds, are in the colon then how can it be clean? Is > that just the part > of the colon they look at? Or are the bacteria actually in the stomach? I > certainly feel > reactions the instant I swallow anything and we need acid to help the > stomach digest. So > there must be flora in the stomach too? Of course the stuff goes into the > colon from there, > but I'm wondering WHERE the critters live. > > Sorry, just haven't had a biology class since the 7th grade... > > vicky > > > -- Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic www.bmfchiro.com Healthy Habits Natural Market www.healthyhabitsnaturalmarket.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Vicky, you can read where exactly the bacterial populations are and how concentrated they are in the intestine, in Tungland's Comprehensive Review in my inulin references: http://tinyurl.com/inulin-references You'll see that the work is well-referenced. Basically, the populations increase the farther from the stomach the fecal slurry moves, and the populations differ a little with every twist and turn of the gut lining. The colon is not clean; your intestine in toto contains 10x the organisms that you have human cells in your body. Duncan > > I have a basic question--where is the good and bad bacteria? Are they in the stomach and > throughout the colon? > > I see all these debates about whether colons can get full of toxins and the naysayers say the > colon is perfectly clean and you can see that on tests. If the good and bad bacteria, which are > said to weigh several pounds, are in the colon then how can it be clean? Is that just the part > of the colon they look at? Or are the bacteria actually in the stomach? I certainly feel > reactions the instant I swallow anything and we need acid to help the stomach digest. So > there must be flora in the stomach too? Of course the stuff goes into the colon from there, > but I'm wondering WHERE the critters live. > > Sorry, just haven't had a biology class since the 7th grade... > > vicky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 The crap is not necessarily up there sitting around if you aren't having frequent bowel movements. Having more poop is not necessarily better, it may be that you are just having more garbage in, so more garbage out. It might help you to think about it like this. What is feces made up of? It is made of: * particles of waste matter left over from the foods we eat (meaning your body can't digest it or use it) * water * fiber * inorganic salts * dead cells * bacteria * anything the body cannot or will not absorb OK, now seeing this list above, do you think that it is better if we have MORE bacteria, dead cells, inorganic salts, and particles of waste matter from foods we eat but can't digest, etc. coming out of us? It is simply garbage in, garbage out. This is because your body is actually USING all the parts of the food you give it when you eat health foods - the protein for building and repairing muscles, the fat for energy, the vitamins and minerals, etc., except the fiber. I only have bowel movements every 2-3 days, and they are smooth and easily passed, and I am not blocked up in any way shape or form. Others I know who have been on the candida diet for a long time are the same way. According to my lab results I'm in great health, and have reversed many health issues, so clearly going to the bathroom more regularly hasn't impacted my health in any way that I can see. The foods I eat are used in their entirety by my body, so there simply is less waste. Yes, you will be more regular if you eat more grains, fiber, etc., but you will also be killing your intestinal flora. In cases where people are still having constipation issues, increasing water, fats and magnesium citrate often helps. Another issue in these cases might be poor digestion, which in that case the person might want to look into digestive enzymes to help with digestion. The other thing is that often the bowel flora is off, and probiotics can really help with this. Ever notice how often you poop on a high carb diet? This is because you are feeding your body tons of food where the majority of the parts of the food your body can't use. Not only is most of the food unusable by the body but it often has anti-nutrients (potatoes and grains) that block your body from absorbing minerals and vitamins. So add more fat to your diet and drink more water to deal with constipation. That fat and water act as lubrication for all your body's engine parts, including the bowel. Many people are brainwashed by the media who make it seem like you have to have like a million grams of fiber a day or you'll die of colon cancer or that you have to eat low fat, but it's just not true. It's hard to shake off the images and ideas that the media pound into our heads and play on our fears. But think about it like this. Have you ever seen those commercials for fiber pills where they say you have to eat like 80 heads of lettuce or 50 pounds of broccoli to get this much fiber, and they show someone gnawing on a raw piece of broccoli? Did you ever think that if you have to eat that much broccoli and natural foods to get that much fiber, than maybe it's not *natural* for humans to eat that much fiber? Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: " Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. " > > They should be in the intestines only. However, people with stomach acidity > issues have some bacteria found there as well. Duncan will be able to > better answer than I though. > > As fas as not being able to " see " the bacteria.... they are there. That is > established and not really a question. As for the many pounds of 'waste' > that is found in the intestines, as claimed by makers of colon cleanses, I'm > not sure. I don't know if it cakes to the walls of the intestines per se, > but it is an issue if one is only have a bowel movement once every few > days. The crap is up in there somewhere, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Hi Debby, I mostly agree with your premise, however, there will be waste left over from every meal you eat, no matter how healthy or easily digestible the food is and no matter how well your digestive system works. I think we need to look at this in terms of transit time. Perhaps you produce less 'poop' than the average person, but even a little bit of waste product from your meals yesterday should make it through the system and be expelled today. So, even though you are doing well and feeling much better, I'd venture to guess that it's taking a little longer than average for food to make it from your mouth to defecation (great topic for the AM, huh?). Why that's the case, I do not know. Maybe it's ok for you, but if we're talking about the average person, I would say you want to go more often than that. So, yes, I agree more poop is not necessarily better, but more frequent poops may be. Thoughts? Buddy On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Debby Padilla-Hudson < debbypadilla@...> wrote: > The crap is not necessarily up there sitting around if you aren't having > frequent bowel movements. Having more poop is not necessarily better, it may > be that you are just having more garbage in, so more garbage out. It might > help you to think about it like this. What is feces made up of? It is made > of: > > * particles of waste matter left over from the foods > we eat (meaning your body can't digest it or use it) > * water > * fiber > * inorganic salts > * dead cells > * bacteria > * anything the body cannot or will not absorb > > OK, now seeing this list above, do you think that it is better if we have > MORE bacteria, dead cells, inorganic salts, and particles of waste matter > from foods we eat but can't digest, etc. coming out of us? It is simply > garbage in, garbage out. This is because your body is actually USING all the > parts of the food you give it when you eat health foods - the protein for > building and repairing muscles, the fat for energy, the vitamins and > minerals, etc., except the fiber. > > I only have bowel movements every 2-3 days, and they are smooth and easily > passed, and I am not blocked up in any way shape or form. Others I know who > have been on the candida diet for a long time are the same way. According to > my lab results I'm in great health, and have reversed many health issues, so > clearly going to the bathroom more regularly hasn't impacted my health in > any way that I can see. The foods I eat are used in their entirety by my > body, so there simply is less waste. > > Yes, you will be more regular if you eat more grains, fiber, etc., but you > will also be killing your intestinal flora. In cases where people are still > having constipation issues, increasing water, fats and magnesium citrate > often helps. Another issue in these cases might be poor digestion, which in > that case the person might want to look into digestive enzymes to help with > digestion. > > The other thing is that often the bowel flora is off, and probiotics can > really help with this. Ever notice how often you poop on a high carb diet? > This is because you are feeding your body tons of food where the majority of > the parts of the food your body can't use. Not only is most of the food > unusable by the body but it often has anti-nutrients (potatoes and grains) > that block your body from absorbing minerals and vitamins. > > So add more fat to your diet and drink more water to deal with > constipation. That fat and water act as lubrication for all your body's > engine parts, including the bowel. Many people are brainwashed by the media > who make it seem like you have to have like a million grams of fiber a day > or you'll die of colon cancer or that you have to eat low fat, but it's just > not true. It's hard to shake off the images and ideas that the media pound > into our heads and play on our fears. > > But think about it like this. Have you ever seen those commercials for > fiber pills where they say you have to eat like 80 heads of lettuce or 50 > pounds of broccoli to get this much fiber, and they show someone gnawing on > a raw piece of broccoli? Did you ever think that if you have to eat that > much broccoli and natural foods to get that much fiber, than maybe it's not > *natural* for humans to eat that much fiber? > > Luv, Debby in San , CA > 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology > Group: curingcandida/ > Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: " Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. " > > > > They should be in the intestines only. However, people with stomach > acidity > > issues have some bacteria found there as well. Duncan will be able to > > better answer than I though. > > > > As fas as not being able to " see " the bacteria.... they are there. That > is > > established and not really a question. As for the many pounds of 'waste' > > that is found in the intestines, as claimed by makers of colon cleanses, > I'm > > not sure. I don't know if it cakes to the walls of the intestines per se, > > but it is an issue if one is only have a bowel movement once every few > > days. The crap is up in there somewhere, right? > > > -- Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic www.bmfchiro.com Healthy Habits Natural Market www.healthyhabitsnaturalmarket.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Well, it works exactly the way Deb described for my cats. When they are eating raw, a very close to all meat diet, their stools are very tiny and not very frequent, and odorless. When they are eating kibble their stools are huge, and more frequent, and stinky. I do think a lot of people would interpret the former condition as constipation, but it is definitely NOT. When I was young I only went about every 2 or 3 days, my diet wasn't great, so don't know the cause from the distance of 40 years later. But at this point having had IBS-D for 30 years, even when there is no actual diarrhea, I would be so grateful for only once a day. I would love to go back to even less frequency but don't hold out much hope of that ever happening. But fiber sure doesn't agree with me, and I'd also like to have firmer stools. I am NEVER constipated anymore, and haven't been for 30 years, except after ovary removal surgery, during which they took out my intestines and manhandled them to scrape off the ovarian tissue that was starting to grow into them. It was very difficult to go after than, and I had much pain and cramping and gas for a long time. Food normally transits my gut so fast, it is no wonder I have absorption problems. sol Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote: > Hi Debby, > > I mostly agree with your premise, however, there will be waste left over > from every meal you eat, no matter how healthy or easily digestible the food > is and no matter how well your digestive system works. > > I think we need to look at this in terms of transit time. Perhaps you > produce less 'poop' than the average person, but even a little bit of waste > product from your meals yesterday should make it through the system and be > expelled today. So, even though you are doing well and feeling much better, > I'd venture to guess that it's taking a little longer than average for food > to make it from your mouth to defecation (great topic for the AM, huh?). > Why that's the case, I do not know. Maybe it's ok for you, but if we're > talking about the average person, I would say you want to go more often than > that. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I have visited doc yesterday and she said 48 hour transit time encourage candida overgrow. She recommended to take 3 pills with Magnezium Citrate at the bed to time with Fiber supplement ( not carb from grain). I have tried magnesiun only and it worked without fiber.Before that I took it with meal and only one, it didn`t worked at all. > > Hi Debby, > > > > I mostly agree with your premise, however, there will be waste left over > > from every meal you eat, no matter how healthy or easily digestible the food > > is and no matter how well your digestive system works. > > > > I think we need to look at this in terms of transit time. Perhaps you > > produce less 'poop' than the average person, but even a little bit of waste > > product from your meals yesterday should make it through the system and be > > expelled today. So, even though you are doing well and feeling much better, > > I'd venture to guess that it's taking a little longer than average for food > > to make it from your mouth to defecation (great topic for the AM, huh?). > > Why that's the case, I do not know. Maybe it's ok for you, but if we're > > talking about the average person, I would say you want to go more often than > > that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 How much is in the Mag. Citrate that you take at bed time and do you eat anything at all when you take it or after you take it before bed? Thanks > > I have visited doc yesterday and she said 48 hour transit time > encourage candida overgrow. She recommended to take 3 pills with > Magnezium Citrate at the bed to time with Fiber supplement ( not > carb from grain). I have tried magnesiun only and it worked without > fiber.Before that I took it with meal and only one, it didn`t worked > at all. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 My pill have 160 mg and even 2 pills is enough for me. The name of supplement is Beyond Fibre from Garden of Life. I never eat before bed time bc of acid reflux but magnezium can help it too bc it reduce acidity.But Citrate is acidit a little bit and it will not reduce acidity too much I think. > > > > I have visited doc yesterday and she said 48 hour transit time > > encourage candida overgrow. She recommended to take 3 pills with > > Magnezium Citrate at the bed to time with Fiber supplement ( not > > carb from grain). I have tried magnesiun only and it worked without > > fiber.Before that I took it with meal and only one, it didn`t worked > > at all. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I feed my dog a raw carnivorous diet as well and it's the same for her. I get the least amount of waste when I eat only meats and fats. With a good deal of veggies I only get slightly more waste. I've never been constipated in my life. Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: sol > > Well, it works exactly the way Deb described for my cats. When they are > eating raw, a very close to all meat diet, their stools are very tiny > and not very frequent, and odorless. When they are eating kibble their > stools are huge, and more frequent, and stinky. I do think a lot of > people would interpret the former condition as constipation, but it is > definitely NOT. > > When I was young I only went about every 2 or 3 days, my diet wasn't > great, so don't know the cause from the distance of 40 years later. > But at this point having had IBS-D for 30 years, even when there is no > actual diarrhea, I would be so grateful for only once a day. I would > love to go back to even less frequency but don't hold out much hope of > that ever happening. But fiber sure doesn't agree with me, and I'd also > like to have firmer stools. I am NEVER constipated anymore, and haven't > been for 30 years, except after ovary removal surgery, during which they > took out my intestines and manhandled them to scrape off the ovarian > tissue that was starting to grow into them. It was very difficult to go > after than, and I had much pain and cramping and gas for a long time. > Food normally transits my gut so fast, it is no wonder I have absorption > problems. > sol > > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote: > > Hi Debby, > > > > I mostly agree with your premise, however, there will be waste left over > > from every meal you eat, no matter how healthy or easily digestible the food > > is and no matter how well your digestive system works. > > > > I think we need to look at this in terms of transit time. Perhaps you > > produce less 'poop' than the average person, but even a little bit of waste > > product from your meals yesterday should make it through the system and be > > expelled today. So, even though you are doing well and feeling much better, > > I'd venture to guess that it's taking a little longer than average for food > > to make it from your mouth to defecation (great topic for the AM, huh?). > > Why that's the case, I do not know. Maybe it's ok for you, but if we're > > talking about the average person, I would say you want to go more often than > > that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Transition time is slower because there is less urgency to rid the body of the waste. Protein and fat continually are digested as they travel through the intestines, unlike some other food waste. Transition time is faster if you have more waste because there is just more waste, period. Think about it like this. The human intestinal tract is just a long hollow winding tube. Fill it up with a lot of waste, and there's going to be a lot in the tube that is always coming out. Fill it up with only a little waste, and since it's not full of crap (literally), it's not always full and ready to expel waste. Faster transition time also means there is less time for continued digestion in the intestines. Luv, Debby in San , CA 147 lbs lost! Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology Group: curingcandida/ Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: " Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. " > > Hi Debby, > > I mostly agree with your premise, however, there will be waste left over > from every meal you eat, no matter how healthy or easily digestible the food > is and no matter how well your digestive system works. > > I think we need to look at this in terms of transit time. Perhaps you > produce less 'poop' than the average person, but even a little bit of waste > product from your meals yesterday should make it through the system and be > expelled today. So, even though you are doing well and feeling much better, > I'd venture to guess that it's taking a little longer than average for food > to make it from your mouth to defecation (great topic for the AM, huh?). > Why that's the case, I do not know. Maybe it's ok for you, but if we're > talking about the average person, I would say you want to go more often than > that. > > So, yes, I agree more poop is not necessarily better, but more frequent > poops may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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