Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 --- Hi Don, Well...the thing is we are not plants nor animals. And, I hear ya on the Natural Laws. But, maybe you missed my post some months ago. It drives me a little nuts when humans get compared to ruminants and apes, elephants, giraffes, etc. For good or bad, it is eating meat that made us 'human'...probably goes for " cooked " , too, but the research didn't include it. In an evolutionary nutshell: By concentrating our nutritional source (ie. meat) there was less need for the huge digestive system that we had as apes. It allowed our lungs to fill that space, feeding oxygen to our brain and expanding our brain size. Also, then freed us up for other pursuits...like growing our own food, painting on cave walls, etc. and not foraging. So, you're present ability to think, study and discuss and the freedom to choose raw or cooked, meat or vegetarian, is directly due to this evolution and meat eating. Choice comes from the ability to reason, the extent of this ability to reason comes from brainsize. So you see meat, and cooked foods (I'll include as well) are actually the true diet of " man " it what gave us the brainsize to choose to now eat raw and vegetarian, the diet we had when we were apes. I don't have a problem with the choices anyone makes, but I might see a problem in balance and moderation. Anyway I see your writing as ignoring a few facts (or maybe just uninformed about them)and only choosing the ones that suit your viewpoint. Uh-oh...now it's sounding like evolution vs. creationism (I'll create it like I see fit) ;-) And, you're right we only heal from within...the energy from within. One can move and add energy.... one adds energy when one eats raw food. One adds energy with herbs. If adding energy assists the body to heal ....well, then.... It's not so much nitpicking as being stuck in semantics and married to a theory's doctrines. BTW: Praticing Qigong is moving the energy within....and using Earth and Air energy....so nitpick away...it's the same. Fasting is moving the energy within. So, you're contradicting yourself. You call fasting the true healer but, also, only the body as the true healer. I'll agree with the last half only add the mind and the spirit as well. Fasting is merely a 'tool' ,a means, towards healing....as are herbs, TCM, Ayurveda,or any other discipline. Fasting, nor any other 'tool', is not the mind, nor the body,the spirit, not any of the energy within....it is an 'exercise' in order to heal...it is not the only, nor the definitive, exercise. Mind, body, spirit (energies) combined is the only true healer. So to call your 'tool' the only tool is extremely narrow-sighted and quite invalidating to any other healers....or any person that chooses something different. As far as spiritual, the bottom line is that absolutely everything we do is spiritual since you cannot separate the spirit from the body .....until the body dies. I realize you are speaking of a loftier spiritualism. And, radical fundamentalim, I see as adopting a theory and accepting no others, and demanding that everyone else adopt the theory or be damned to .....whatever. Sorry, Don, but that is how the conversation sounds. I do agree that the cause must always be addressed...otherwise one is only patching the problem.....intake (air, water,food), digestion, absorption (all intake used to max), and elimination all running smoothly to their maximum effectiveness is the key. All the best, Kit > ============================== > Hi Kit, > > Nor do I. They all have their place in the grand scheme of things. I am > sorry that you see this as sounding religious. I am not espousing > religious dogma here. I am stating truth and fact. Everybody on the face > of this planet is subject to the same natural laws as are animals, > plants and all other life forms here. This is truth and self evident. > Not religious dogma. I know that is not what you said per se. As to raw > food not achieving stated objectives I can only say that is due to > choice and not because of any faults or imperfections in natural law. > The true diet of man is not cooked foods nor is it eating meat as some > would have you believe. The true diet of man is raw 100% living foods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Hi Don, Well...we should probably take this offlist about now...or we'll have to agree to disagree. Except, I'll agree, we are not carnivores, but omnivores. This is becoming a 'religion vs. science' discussion. I don't have a problem with anyone's 'religion' but I can't accept the 'religious' findings as facts. And, comparing man to animals doesn't work for me either....in fact I've never seen it ever logically work. The elephant's brain makes up about 0.08 percent of the total body weight.... http://natureinstitute.org/pub/ic/ic5/elephant.htm The human brain makes up 2% of the body's total weight, but uses up 20% of the body's oxygen supply. http://schools.cbe.ab.ca/b143/frankensite_clean/monster/body_sys/brain_system.ht\ m An elephant's brain weighs about five times more than a human brain but it's body weighs 100 times more than ours. http://firstscience.com/SITE/factfile/factfile461_480.asp The rest of my previous reasonings stand, I fear I'd just be repeating myself at this point. We should go now in peace...don't you think...? :-)Kit - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 That's interesting Suzi. This is how the Chinese came about studying herbs thousands of years ago....by observing the habits of animals. Kit No one will ever obtain true health thru the use of herbs > either. Yes they can be considered a tool but not to be taken > internally. They are harmful to the organism as they are toxic. > > > > > Suzi > > What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. > > www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics > http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Hi Don, It's not that I disagree with your principles, it is your extremism, scare tactics and my-way-is-the-only-way. Your way is a tool. The only healer is the mind/body/spirit. All means to return the M/B/S to health is a tool. I say, there are various tools. I repeat... intake, (air,water,food) digestion, absorption (utilization) and elimination....all working at there peak is the key to health. I totally agree with SARF (species appropriate raw food) even my pets are adherents!!! Kit > ================================ > Hi Kit, > > I agree that we are going to have to disagree again. From your > perspective and from my perspective neither theory seems to hold much > water. However, I look around at those who follow your line of thought, > which was my own not too long ago, and I see much illness and > suffering. This is not something I see with people who follow the laws > of nature and eat a spieces appropriate diet. And yes we are a species. > > But nevertheless, we will agree to disagree and let it go at that. > > -- > Peace be with you, Kit. > > Don " Quai " Eitner > > " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " > > Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses. ~Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire > > The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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