Religious fasting

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kitcurtin wrote:

> -Hi Don,

>

> I have no problems with any other disciplines that keep one healthy or

> heals a body. But it's sounding like religion to me. ;-) As in, I

> have the only true way. Only us raw foodists will go to 'heaven'. I

> guess that my main objective would be lead a long, happy and

> productive life....and help others to do the same. I don' think

> there is only one way. I think that raw food is a good way .... for

> some people. For others, for whatever reason, it would not accomplish

> the aforementioned objective.

>

> I don't obsess too much over regimens. I am opinionated,

> obviously...but I form my opinions from study....writings, and, life.

>

> I don't believe that all people have weak constitutions. Smacks of

> religion again. 'You are born of flesh, you are a sinner' somethin'

> like that.

>

> I know the you-are-not-yet-enlightened feeling towards unhealthy

> people or what I perceive to be unhealthy or less than healthy

> practices. I am working on ditching it. I do really well in the

> clinic ....I actually surprise myself.... I was once more like you,

> Don...including the raw food thing...and fasting. Nowadays, I work

> more on the compassion side than the 'dictator' side. Course, it's

> different on a health discussion list. ;-)

>

> And, hey, Don, that's cheating if you cure a diabetic's blood sugar

> problem before you put them on a fast, then they are not diabetic and

> not a person with blood sugar problems...uhhhh, thought you'd get

> that one by me, eh?! ;-D

>

> If you handle all those issues I mentioned before fasting...no

> problem, in my book. If one wants to go the raw food route, too, no

> problem. I guess I'd have to say I'm not a radical fundamentalist.

>

> I recognize energetic medicine and practices as great healers. Qigong

> has even had success with curing Cancer.

>

> And, fasting is fasting religious or otherwise (I realize Ramadan has

> it's set protocol) my point was they are long observant of fasting and

> even they recognize who should and should not fast.

>

> " Purchase labels " !!?? ....actually it was free since I found it

> myself...and only started the healing process after it was labelled

> and I could do the research. I had done fasting and raw foods while I

> had FMS...and I did not get better....sorry to say. (I'm sure you're

> muttering that I didn't do it right!) There is some damage that is

> done that cannot be reversed. My chiro hid the " label " from me for 12

> years and retarded my progress for that long. I was devastated and

> felt wholly betrayed.

>

> You know I wish you all the best in your particular path of caring for

> yourself and others. I do that for everyone no matter what milestone

> they are at.

>

> Peace, love, joy to you,

> Kit

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Hi Kit,

Nor do I. They all have their place in the grand scheme of things. I am

sorry that you see this as sounding religious. I am not espousing

religious dogma here. I am stating truth and fact. Everybody on the face

of this planet is subject to the same natural laws as are animals,

plants and all other life forms here. This is truth and self evident.

Not religious dogma. I know that is not what you said per se. As to raw

food not achieving stated objectives I can only say that is due to

choice and not because of any faults or imperfections in natural law.

The true diet of man is not cooked foods nor is it eating meat as some

would have you believe. The true diet of man is raw 100% living foods

and this goes for all of mankind, not just some. Nature does not work

that way. What goes for one goes for all. To say that raw food is only

good for some but not others is no different than saying that only some

cows can eat grass but for others it is not good for them. There is no

cow that does not thrive on grass or the other greens that cows eat.

Same with every other species on this planet. There is no

differentiation in blood types or constitutions. Course if anyone wishes

to believe that it is their choice. The only difference between humans

and the other animals is choice. The only reason ..say.. you for example

cannot eat raw is because you are blood type A maybe and can't deal with

raw food so you can only eat cooked. Nature did not design our bodies

this way. It is a choice that we as humans make in believing what we

choose to believe in. Nature is a great open book of truth if anyone

cares to observe and understand how nature truly works.

I don't see myself as a radical fundamentalist either Kit. I do know

that nature is perfect in her design and in her laws. Nature does not

make mistakes. Man makes mistakes. This is not religion this is fact.

There are certain preconditions that must be met by all life on this

planet in order to grow and be healthy, wealthy and wise. If any of

those preconditions are not met then the organism suffers for lack of.

And not to be a brat and nit pick but energy healing does not heal, it

only assists the body to heal itself. Nothing from the outside can heal

the body, it can only assist. Qigong does not heal, it only assists. The

body heals itself, always has and always will.

Yes they recognize who should fast and who should not fast during

Ramadan. Fasting, no matter how you view it is a spiritual endeavor.

Because no matter how you or anyone else wishes to believe it has

effects that do not relate to the physiological body. Now whether you

fasted properly or not only you know the answer to that one and I am not

going to judge here as I do not know how you fasted. Perhaps you will

choose to enlighten me and explain exactly how you fasted when you did

fast for health reasons. As for eating raw there are many reasons why

people fail at eating raw and the number one reason is ignorance. I

don't necessarily mean ignorance of what raw eating means either. I mean

ignorance of what to expect, what is going on with ones body, why it the

body experiences what is happening with it. Why you experience such

emotional turmoil when going all raw. How you approach eating raw. What

you eat and how much, etc, etc, etc.We are all conditioned from birth to

eating much less than optimum foods. Almost from day one, well not quite

that soon, you were given some dead food to eat. Either it was cooked or

it was processed, pasteurized and came in a little jar. Either way it

was dead food with no living enzymes in it. You were continually given

dead food to eat in one form or another and eventually you gave it to

yourself by choice. We all have been there and many of us still are. The

only cause of dis-ease is toxemia. Toxins in the body from diet and

improper lifestyle. It is all choice. Every dis-ease, purchased label,

self prescribed label (yes I am picking on you here but I am not being

mean), that humans experience is by choice. Either by choice of diet or

lifestyle. Lack of suffiecient sun, lack of fresh pure water, lack of

fresh clean air; lack of fresh high water, high oxygen abd high energy

foods as only can be found in fruits; lack of sufficient exercise; lack

of sufficient rest; lack of sufficient sleep; lack of love and

compassion. All dis-eases are choice and are the result of toxins in the

body. ALL NO EXCEPTIONS. I am sure you agree with that. It is not

religious but fact.

Now if you view nature as being religious then that is your choice.

Natural law is the same for everyone there are no exceptions. Nature is

perfect in healing no matter what anyone chooses to believe. You choose

not to believe that nature is a perfect healer that is your choice. Your

choice of belief and I don't argue with that. I choose a different

belief and that is my choice and if believing in the perfection of

nature and the human body to heal itself is religious dogma than that is

what it is. However, it is truth and it is fact. Proper fasting,

allowing the body the physiological rest needed for healing is the only

true healer. Not herbs, acupuncture, Qigong, Tai Chi, aromatherapy,

homeopathy, allopathic medicine or any other form of so called healing.

They can only assist or they can hinder. Energy healing assists, whilst

taking in any herbs, oils or medicaments will only hinder healing. Only

you can heal yourself, no body or no thing can do it for you. It is your

choice just as it is everyones choice. Like you, I espouse what I

believe in to help others. I am not a dictator and do not believe in

being one. It is all choice Kit. 100% all of it. What you choose to

believe in is your choice or anyone elses. Argue for you limitations and

they will become yours, etc, etc.

I too wish you the best in your endeavors and I have little doubt that

you will do well in them. For no matter how one approaches it, there

will always be people who will benefit by any modality and that is

because it much better than where they are at present. So yes it does

appear to help but unless cause is addressed then there never will be

true healing.

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Peace be with you, Kit.

Don " Quai " Eitner

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses. ~Jean

Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire

The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb