Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Hi Sue, You could look in the files under " Health Related Info " go the the last file on Adrenals. All, FMS'rs have seriously depleted adrenals....adrenals are involved in blood sugar metabolism (which is why I don't agree with fasting if you are adrenal depleted). Those who are adrenal depleted don't do well on carbs. And, FMS'rs have Reactive Hypoglycemia....http://www.gicare.com/pated/edtot19.htm... Dr St. Armand, an endocrinologist, who has FMS, wrote a book " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You about Fibromyalgia " that includes the info. (BTW: I don't agree with his guaifenesin protocol.) He calls it Fibroglycemia and is a little more lenient about carbs. I generally suggest a one week cold turkey to prove the pain 'point'. Pain will usually diminish after a few days without carbs...but, no cheating whatsoever...no matter how long you've had the pain. (For some, no caffeine, or other stimulants, is a must, too. I did have a little caffeine.) If you can do without caffeine, that's the best....since we're working with the adrenals here. After, that one can choose what one wants to do with the info/results. If you follow the Fibroglycemia route it will take longer and is too variable for me to promote for my-pain-point but it may be more appealing to some. Many FMS'rs are carb addicts so a short cold turkey, I think is easier and more effective, often when folks start on the carbs again they are in really bad pain...and 'point' taken. :-( " Only a perfect diet will control hypoglycemia. It is not the food one adds but what one removes that determines recovery. Patients must eat no table sugar, corn syrup, honey, sucrose, glucose, dextrose or maltose. All heavy starches must be avoided including potatoes, rice, pasta etc. Excessive fructose is provided by the several pieces of fruit needed to make one glass of juice. Caffeine intensifies the action of insulin and is also forbidden. Certain carbohydrates such as sugar-free bread are allowed but intake is limited to one slice three times per day. Only one piece of fruit should be eaten in a four-hour period. Improvement begins in about seven to 10 days. Considerable relief is afforded within one month. Symptoms totally clear within two months but only if the diet has been followed perfectly! During the first 10 days of treatment headaches are common from caffeine withdrawal and fatigue induced by changing the body's basic source of fuel, and in some patients can be quite severe. " http://www.guaidoc.com/hypoglycemia.htm Kit > Where can I read more about the fact that carbs influence FMS? > TIA, > Sue > > > > > You can....I know you have FMS....have you tried not eating any carbs > for one week? That takes mind control...for self-control. ;-) > It's just one week..... Kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Not sure I understand...it fits....she's carb intolerant to the extreme....also adrenals are involved in diabetes. Am I missing a point? :-P ;-) Kit -- In health , " Kathy L " <angeldestiny@s...> wrote: > That is odd because my mom and I both have fibro and she is diabetic. > > > Kathy L. > Angeldestiny's Dream Nursery > Romanticsilk Crafts > Please cast your vote for my site on the Top 100 > www.romanticsilk.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " kitcurtin " <kitcurtin@e...> > <health > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: VERTIGO....now FMS > > > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > You could look in the files under " Health Related Info " go the the > > last file on Adrenals. All, FMS'rs have seriously depleted > > adrenals....adrenals are involved in blood sugar metabolism (which is > > why I don't agree with fasting if you are adrenal depleted). Those who > > are adrenal depleted don't do well on carbs. And, FMS'rs have > > Reactive Hypoglycemia....http://www.gicare.com/pated/edtot19.htm... > > > > Dr St. Armand, an endocrinologist, who has FMS, wrote a book " What > > Your Doctor May Not Tell You about Fibromyalgia " that includes the > > info. (BTW: I don't agree with his guaifenesin protocol.) He calls it > > Fibroglycemia and is a little more lenient about carbs. I generally > > suggest a one week cold turkey to prove the pain 'point'. Pain will > > usually diminish after a few days without carbs...but, no cheating > > whatsoever...no matter how long you've had the pain. (For some, no > > caffeine, or other stimulants, is a must, too. I did have a little > > caffeine.) If you can do without caffeine, that's the best....since > > we're working with the adrenals here. After, that one can choose what > > one wants to do with the info/results. > > > > If you follow the Fibroglycemia route it will take longer and is too > > variable for me to promote for my-pain-point but it may be more > > appealing to some. Many FMS'rs are carb addicts so a short cold > > turkey, I think is easier and more effective, often when folks start > > on the carbs again they are in really bad pain...and 'point' taken. :-( > > > > > > " Only a perfect diet will control hypoglycemia. It is not the food > > one adds but what one removes that determines recovery. Patients must > > eat no table sugar, corn syrup, honey, sucrose, glucose, dextrose or > > maltose. All heavy starches must be avoided including potatoes, rice, > > pasta etc. Excessive fructose is provided by the several pieces of > > fruit needed to make one glass of juice. Caffeine intensifies the > > action of insulin and is also forbidden. Certain carbohydrates such as > > sugar-free bread are allowed but intake is limited to one slice three > > times per day. Only one piece of fruit should be eaten in a four-hour > > period. > > > > Improvement begins in about seven to 10 days. Considerable relief > > is afforded within one month. Symptoms totally clear within two months > > but only if the diet has been followed perfectly! During the first 10 > > days of treatment headaches are common from caffeine withdrawal and > > fatigue induced by changing the body's basic source of fuel, and in > > some patients can be quite severe. " > > http://www.guaidoc.com/hypoglycemia.htm > > > > Kit > > > > > > > Where can I read more about the fact that carbs influence FMS? > > > TIA, > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can....I know you have FMS....have you tried not eating any carbs > > > for one week? That takes mind control...for self-control. ;-) > > > It's just one week..... Kit > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 I have had FMS since 18...trauma to my spine....35 years....and yes, all 18 points and then about 35,000 more points. ;-) I've kept it mostly under control thru 'alternative' living. I don't ever expect to develop diabetes. In fact, the majority of FMS'rs that I know from lists etc do not have diabetes. As adults we are in control of not developing DM II I am reactive hypoglycemic and adrenal depleted ....both are manageable thru diet and lifestyle. Kathy, I'm still not sure what we're talking about. Are you thinking that you are not adrenal depleted or that you don't have carb intolerance? I'm trying to understand where we're going here. There are many different manifestations of this syndrome...are you thinking that all of us have all the exact same symptoms? I not sure there are any diseases that manifest exactly the same in every individuals. Each of us has to look at our own selves. I'm only offering some info as I have studied this disorder extensively, pulled many strings, been on a list with some really intelligent FMS'rs unwilling to give into the pain and fatigue and they have searched for true causes and alternatives so that they can get on with their lives. I am used to sharing info. I'm not trying to twist your arm into accepting any of this. I consider everyone a free human being...free to think and do as one wishes. That's all.... Kit > > > That is odd because my mom and I both have fibro and she is diabetic. > > > > > > > > > Kathy L. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Kit: I would like to know what you have done to get your FMS under control.I have had it for over 10 years and have had little relief. What is your secret and what list are you on for this. You can email me privately if you don't want to bother the group with this. Thanks kitcurtin <kitcurtin@...> wrote: Each of us has to look at our own selves. I'm only offering some info as I have studied this disorder extensively, pulled many strings, been on a list with some really intelligent FMS'rs unwilling to give into the pain and fatigue and they have searched for true causes and alternatives so that they can get on with their lives. I am used to sharing info. I'm not trying to twist your arm into accepting any of this. I consider everyone a free human being...free to think and doas one wishes. That's all.... Kit For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 First thing I did was quit seeing MD's but as you already know I don't have a lot of regard for them. They're great for triage, and diagnostic testing (which they monopolize and overprice) and that's about it. The next thing I did was research. And, decided I would do what others did for success. If it didn't work for me I left it...if it did I would keep it. Accepted the fact that it would be my personal task for the rest of my life ....if I were to want a life. Changed my diet (you know how) and started with the adrenal recovery diet lifestyle: got rid of my TV's cut stress go to bed at 9pm (or aim to...don't always make it) laugh...esp. at myself.... If I haven't laughed heartily ...I look for something to make me. Not very hard and not usually a problem. get: acupuncture Cranio-sacral take: Chinese herbs some supplements enough water the list is: FMS-RECOVERY@... but it's pretty quiet right now. Everyone seems to be too busy!! You can always go to the archives. Kit > Each of us has to look at our own selves. I'm only offering some info as I have studied this disorder extensively, pulled many strings, been on a list with some really intelligent FMS'rs unwilling to give into the pain and fatigue and they have searched for true causes and alternatives so that they can get on with their lives. I am used to sharing info. I'm not trying to twist your arm into accepting any of this. I consider everyone a free human being...free to think and do > as one wishes. That's all.... Kit > > > > > For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7 > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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