Re: supplements, cold processed undenatured whey & selenium

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone & thanks too sis,

Where can I find commercial undenatured whey that is affordable AND made from

raw or cold processed milk? Seems all the cold-filtration processes are useless

if the bulk whey is sourced from dairy factories that pasteurize.

Any clues?

Rosie

e <tepaatu@...> wrote:Re: cost of supplements, whey & selenium

Doll, you have my utmost sympathies.

I hope others may be able to help you but I do know friends who couldn’t afford

supplementation so returned to a simpler way of eating... One was no refined

foods, alcohol or tobacco (not that they could afford the latter) some went

completely vegan and/or raw as much as possible and another swears by

alkalinising the diet:

Hugs

on 6/5/08 12:38 PM, Rose at atautahi@... wrote:

> I'm broke & can't afford whey...

>

> What else can we do?

>

>

>

>>>

>>>

>>>>> Sorry your arthritis cure will not be free, but then again, getting rid

of

>>>>> it should cost less and taske less time than you spent getting it. I've

>>>>> found that even serious dietary revision which is arguably the cheapest

>>>>> approach is difficult on its own.

>>>>>

>>>

>>> My son contracted arthritis from an infected blood transfusion in an

>>> American hospital yet you BLAME sick people for being ill and having no

>>> money.

>>>

>>> It's your self righteous attitude that is repugnant because you don't care

>>> we're broke and you judge those who're sick in the first place..

>>>

>>> Shame on you for seeking to profit from other's miseries, you arrogant,

>>> greedy little money making man.

>>>

[Guest guest]

Good response. Thanks.

Despite what the doctors tell us (because of my son's anaemia) we don't eat

much meat anyway. I haven't seen a steak in months, although it's more

affordable down here in Australia anyway.

Not that we trust his approach entirely (because of his commercial interests)

but after reading Mercola's websites about raw milk wheys,

http://products.mercola.com/pro-optimal-whey/

http://www.evolutionhealth.com/WheyProtein/ImmunoPro-whey_protein.htm

what stumped our health food suppliers and ourselves is the question about the

effects of pasteurisation on the raw milk on the glutathione precursers in the

whey.

We eat a lot of beans, including chickpeas and of course eggs so the protein

issue isn't a concern.

Thanks anyway, we know you are very busy.

Rose

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: I often advise clients who are in a

financial spot to reduce their

meat budget to compensate for their whey program. A lot of

undenatured wheys including several carried by a supplier linked from

my site are affordable to most at around $45 for five lbs... about

the price of low-end beef steak but with twice the biological value,

plus containing the crucial glutathione precursors.

Some undenatured components can be scavenged and concentrated from

even pasteurized wheys. I think this is one reason that some

commercial whey powders are seen to have large differences in their

profiles compared to whey powders that are more carefully preserved

for the health market.

All good,

Duncan

>

> Hi everyone & thanks too sis,

>

> Where can I find commercial undenatured whey that is affordable

AND made from raw or cold processed milk? Seems all the cold-

filtration processes are useless if the bulk whey is sourced from

dairy factories that pasteurize.

>

> Any clues?

>

>

> Rosie

>

[Guest guest]

hello just a comment; I don't know what type of anemia your son has

but (you prob. already know this...

Vitamin C helps the system absorb Iron; esp. if eaten at same meal

so like a spinach salad with manderin oranges would be top of the crop

> >

> > Hi everyone & thanks too sis,

> >

> > Where can I find commercial undenatured whey that is affordable

> AND made from raw or cold processed milk? Seems all the cold-

> filtration processes are useless if the bulk whey is sourced from

> dairy factories that pasteurize.

> >

> > Any clues?

> >

> >

> > Rosie

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To be clear, some important whey proteins are

denatured by boiling, but the percentage that is NOT

denatured can still be scavenged from whey after

processing. This processing to keep at least some

glutathione-promoting peptides gleans more value out

of a whey that has been ruined ...and the profile

will tell you how well they did. You can compare whey

profiles using the method at the bottom of my page

here:

http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

All good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Vitamin B12; Folic Acid and Vitmain B6 can help prevent Anemias;

besides Iron; example: Spinach has Iron; Folate (folic acid) Vitamin

C: Beta carotene and Vitamin K; this would be fresh raw spinach.

" add fresh lemon juice to your salad dressings to increase Vitamn C;

(cooking or boiling lemons depletes 90% of a lemon's vitmmin C; anna-

- In candidiasis , " Anne " <annroc2004@...> wrote:

>

> hello just a comment; I don't know what type of anemia your son has

> but (you prob. already know this...

>

> Vitamin C helps the system absorb Iron; esp. if eaten at same meal

>

> so like a spinach salad with manderin oranges would be top of the

crop

>

> >

> > Good response. Thanks.

> >

> > Despite what the doctors tell us (because of my son's anaemia)

we

> don't eat much meat anyway. I haven't seen a steak in months,

> although it's more affordable down here in Australia anyway.

> >

> > Not that we trust his approach entirely (because of his

commercial

> interests) but after reading Mercola's websites about raw milk

wheys,

> http://products.mercola.com/pro-optimal-whey/

> > http://www.evolutionhealth.com/WheyProtein/ImmunoPro-

> whey_protein.htm

> > what stumped our health food suppliers and ourselves is the

> question about the effects of pasteurisation on the raw milk on the

> glutathione precursers in the whey.

> >

> > We eat a lot of beans, including chickpeas and of course eggs so

> the protein issue isn't a concern.

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan

Do you happen to know where we can get NOW Whey Isolates in Canada? I'm having

a lot of difficulty finding it.

The company you link us to is in the States, such a hassle to order from there,

with the shipping and most likely duty charged as well.

Thanks

Re: supplements, cold processed undenatured whey &

selenium

To be clear, some important whey proteins are

denatured by boiling, but the percentage that is NOT

denatured can still be scavenged from whey after

processing. This processing to keep at least some

glutathione- promoting peptides gleans more value out

of a whey that has been ruined ...and the profile

will tell you how well they did. You can compare whey

profiles using the method at the bottom of my page

here:

http://tinyurl. com/cuzcc

All good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

I thought the iron in spinach was bound up with oxalate and not

available. Even with C.

If it was me, I'd give the child some red meat, liver, etc. And an iron

supplement, or make an appt with a hematologist.

sol

Anne wrote:

> hello just a comment; I don't know what type of anemia your son has

> but (you prob. already know this...

>

> Vitamin C helps the system absorb Iron; esp. if eaten at same meal

>

> so like a spinach salad with manderin oranges would be top of the crop

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard all my life Spinach is an excellnet source of Iron; not

once have I ever read the opposite; maybe for people who cannot handle

Oxalate; oxalates are important nutrients also; just not too many.

I think red meat would be terrible; too hard to digest;chicken liver ok

concering your statement of Iron supplements; very poor adive IMO here

is why: Iron supplements produce Iron overloads in children.

Iron supplements can acutally be " hazardous for children; unless under

a prescripttion.

Iron is a very abundant mineral found in potatoes;eggplant and so forth.

Potassium is found in onions;garlic leeks; which is important too.

I so not agree the Iron is Spinach is not available; ARPICOTS are very

high in Iron; and betacarotene with natural vitmain c

time to stop equaing Iron with animal products only ; simply " not true

> > hello just a comment; I don't know what type of anemia your son has

> > but (you prob. already know this...

> >

> > Vitamin C helps the system absorb Iron; esp. if eaten at same meal

> >

> > so like a spinach salad with manderin oranges would be top of the

crop

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello

Maybe you could order from the co. which is

www.nowfoods.com

anna ps i was thinking about trying the NOW whey isolates my self !

>

> Hi Duncan

>

> Do you happen to know where we can get NOW Whey Isolates in

Canada? I'm having a lot of difficulty finding it.

> The company you link us to is in the States, such a hassle to order

from there, with the shipping and most likely duty charged as well.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

> Re: supplements, cold processed undenatured

whey & selenium

>

>

> To be clear, some important whey proteins are

> denatured by boiling, but the percentage that is NOT

> denatured can still be scavenged from whey after

> processing. This processing to keep at least some

> glutathione- promoting peptides gleans more value out

> of a whey that has been ruined ...and the profile

> will tell you how well they did. You can compare whey

> profiles using the method at the bottom of my page

> here:

> http://tinyurl. com/cuzcc

>

> All good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Greetings

If you can not find a shop by using the store find at:

http://www.nowfoods.com/ then you can call here:

http://www.fruitfulyeild.com/ ask for Mike Kirby tell him NieeMA sent you.

He shipped to us when we were in the Nederlands.

> >

> > Hi Duncan

> >

> > Do you happen to know where we can get NOW Whey Isolates in

> Canada? I'm having a lot of difficulty finding it.

> > The company you link us to is in the States, such a hassle to order

> from there, with the shipping and most likely duty charged as well.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: supplements, cold processed undenatured

> whey & selenium

> >

> >

> > To be clear, some important whey proteins are

> > denatured by boiling, but the percentage that is NOT

> > denatured can still be scavenged from whey after

> > processing. This processing to keep at least some

> > glutathione- promoting peptides gleans more value out

> > of a whey that has been ruined ...and the profile

> > will tell you how well they did. You can compare whey

> > profiles using the method at the bottom of my page

> > here:

> > http://tinyurl. com/cuzcc

> >

> > All good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, all my life I've heard that iron in oxalate rich veg is bound and

not bioavailable.

Iron supps may be a bad idea, but humans are designed to be meat eaters.

This is well documented, and supported by DNA research on ancient remains.

It is a myth that we can supply all our nutritional needs from plant

sources.

Many people have a lot of trouble with oxalates.

sol

Anne wrote:

> I have heard all my life Spinach is an excellnet source of Iron; not

> once have I ever read the opposite; maybe for people who cannot handle

> Oxalate; oxalates are important nutrients also; just not too many.

>

> I think red meat would be terrible;

[Guest guest]

you have your opinion and I have mine; anyway not trying to scare you

DID YOU KNOW IRON SUPPLEMENTS ARE THE NO 1 CAUSE OF POSIONING IN

CHILDREN IN THE USA TODAY ACOOUDTING FOR HALF OF ALL CASES ?

so be careful about talking about iron and iron supplemetns and

saying things you do not know about; such as

MAN IS AN OMINVORE

NOT A CARNIVORE (basic meat diet

MAN IS AN OMNIVORE meaning

Man can eat any plant egg leaf herb fruit veggie;DOES NOT NEED MEAT

If you want to eat animal products fine;but don't tell others to !

that is a private decison AND SPINACH IS SO HIGH IN IRON the Oxalate

problem is over come

but people who have oaxalte problems cannot eat spinach

why do you have such a defensive attitude

SPINACH HAS AVIALABLE IRON AND THIS IS A WELL PROVEN FACT GOOD BY ---

In candidiasis , sol <solbun@...> wrote:

>

> Well, all my life I've heard that iron in oxalate rich veg is bound

and

> not bioavailable.

> Iron supps may be a bad idea, but humans are designed to be meat

eaters.

> This is well documented, and supported by DNA research on ancient

remains.

> It is a myth that we can supply all our nutritional needs from

plant

> sources.

> Many people have a lot of trouble with oxalates.

> sol

>

> Anne wrote:

> > I have heard all my life Spinach is an excellnet source of Iron;

not

> > once have I ever read the opposite; maybe for people who cannot

handle

> > Oxalate; oxalates are important nutrients also; just not too many.

> >

> > I think red meat would be terrible;

>

[Guest guest]

sol wrote:

It is a myth that we can supply all our nutritional needs from plant

sources.

then how come I have been doing this for over 40 years w/ good health?

answer me that i have been living on plants for 40 years like beans

I do eat the occasional egg no fish no poulty no meat no nuttin' bye--

- In candidiasis , sol <solbun@...> wrote:

>

> Well, all my life I've heard that iron in oxalate rich veg is bound

and

> not bioavailable.

> Iron supps may be a bad idea, but humans are designed to be meat

eaters.

> This is well documented, and supported by DNA research on ancient

remains.

> It is a myth that we can supply all our nutritional needs from

plant

> sources.

> Many people have a lot of trouble with oxalates.

> sol

>

> Anne wrote:

> > I have heard all my life Spinach is an excellnet source of Iron;

not

> > once have I ever read the opposite; maybe for people who cannot

handle

> > Oxalate; oxalates are important nutrients also; just not too many.

> >

> > I think red meat would be terrible;

>

[Guest guest]

Let's get back to the point here. Your child is anemic. I didn't say so,

YOU said so. If your diet is ok for you, fine, but if your child is

anemic, the diet you are feeding him is not right for that child. You

asked for ideas and have so far rejected every one presented.

sol

Anne wrote:

> you have your opinion and I have mine; anyway not trying to scare you

>

> DID YOU KNOW IRON SUPPLEMENTS ARE THE NO 1 CAUSE OF POSIONING IN

> CHILDREN IN THE USA TODAY ACOOUDTING FOR HALF OF ALL CASES ?

>

> so be careful about talking about iron and iron supplemetns and

> saying things you do not know about; such as

>

> MAN IS AN OMINVORE

>

> NOT A CARNIVORE (basic meat diet

>

> MAN IS AN OMNIVORE meaning

>

> Man can eat any plant egg leaf herb fruit veggie;DOES NOT NEED MEAT

>

> If you want to eat animal products fine;but don't tell others to !

>

> that is a private decison AND SPINACH IS SO HIGH IN IRON the Oxalate

> problem is over come

>

> but people who have oaxalte problems cannot eat spinach

>

> why do you have such a defensive attitude

>

> SPINACH HAS AVIALABLE IRON AND THIS IS A WELL PROVEN FACT GOOD BY ---

> In candidiasis , sol <solbun@...> wrote:

>

>> Well, all my life I've heard that iron in oxalate rich veg is bound

>>

> and

>

>> not bioavailable.

>> Iron supps may be a bad idea, but humans are designed to be meat

>>

> eaters.

>

>> This is well documented, and supported by DNA research on ancient

>>

> remains.

>

>> It is a myth that we can supply all our nutritional needs from

>>

> plant

>

>> sources.

>> Many people have a lot of trouble with oxalates.

>> sol

>>

>> Anne wrote:

>>

>>> I have heard all my life Spinach is an excellnet source of Iron;

>>>

> not

>

>>> once have I ever read the opposite; maybe for people who cannot

>>>

> handle

>

>>> Oxalate; oxalates are important nutrients also; just not too many.

>>>

>>> I think red meat would be terrible;

>>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ann wrote "

MAN IS AN OMINVORE

NOT A CARNIVORE (basic meat diet

MAN IS AN OMNIVORE meaning

Man can eat any plant egg leaf herb fruit veggie;DOES NOT NEED MEAT " "

Anne I think you are mixed up, OMNIVORE means both plant material,

fruit AND meat

Your explanaition means HERBIVORE

Edy

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

Sorry to say but man wasn't meant to be vegetarian. I do totally respect the

ethical reasons people make the choice not to eat meat, but we evolved as

hunter/gatherers. It is true that there are vitamins you can't get from plant

foods such as some B vitamins. Although there are man-made sources you can

supplement like brewers yeast, which is essentially eating one celled organisms.

Luv,

Debby in San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

Currently studying for Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

----- Original Message ----

From: Anne

you have your opinion and I have mine; anyway not trying to scare you

DID YOU KNOW IRON SUPPLEMENTS ARE THE NO 1 CAUSE OF POSIONING IN

CHILDREN IN THE USA TODAY ACOOUDTING FOR HALF OF ALL CASES ?

so be careful about talking about iron and iron supplemetns and

saying things you do not know about; such as

MAN IS AN OMINVORE

NOT A CARNIVORE (basic meat diet

MAN IS AN OMNIVORE meaning

Man can eat any plant egg leaf herb fruit veggie;DOES NOT NEED MEAT

If you want to eat animal products fine;but don't tell others to !

that is a private decison AND SPINACH IS SO HIGH IN IRON the Oxalate

problem is over come

but people who have oaxalte problems cannot eat spinach

why do you have such a defensive attitude

SPINACH HAS AVIALABLE IRON AND THIS IS A WELL PROVEN FACT GOOD BY ---

[Guest guest]

Buddy I don't even have any children so what the hey brother ? you

trippin'?

the message was about another lady's child ! and she is not a

vegetarian but she doesn't like red meat !

Is it ok If I eat spinach or are you the " food police ? a.

> >>

> >>> I have heard all my life Spinach is an excellnet source of

Iron;

> >>>

> > not

> >

> >>> once have I ever read the opposite; maybe for people who cannot

> >>>

> > handle

> >

> >>> Oxalate; oxalates are important nutrients also; just not too

many.

> >>>

> >>> I think red meat would be terrible;

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I did not say ps herbivores don't eat eggs though I am a vegetarian

does not eat meat

i said

does not need meat you thought I wrote " does not eat meat

no I wrote Man is ominovre who does not nedd meat to live a good life.

an omnivore does not have to eat meat; optional

omni comes from greek for All meaning

MAN CAN EAT ANY AND ALL FOOD; OF ANY KIND BE IT PLANT OR ANIMAL

LIKE I SAID MAN IS NOT A CARNIVORE; BUT AN OMINOVRE meaning

HE CAN BE A HERBIVORE A VEGAN A VEGETARIN AN EGG EATER MEAT EATER

I have lived with no meat for over 40 years; I am an ominvore

So Ominvores are

Carnivores or

Vegeatarins or

Vegans or

Herbavores

or ovo eater egg eaters like many reptiles are

or milk driners like the Masi tribe

I know what you meant but you misread what I wrote so I wasn;t mixed up

You misread !

Only big cats are true carnivores ! nice try tho'

>

> Ann wrote "

> MAN IS AN OMINVORE

>

> NOT A CARNIVORE (basic meat diet

>

> MAN IS AN OMNIVORE meaning

>

> Man can eat any plant egg leaf herb fruit veggie;DOES NOT NEED MEAT " "

>

> Anne I think you are mixed up, OMNIVORE means both plant material,

> fruit AND meat

>

> Your explanaition means HERBIVORE

>

> Edy

>

[Guest guest]

We evolved as hunter gatherers; true; but the hunting aspect of our

lives has diminshed and the gathering has increased

for example few people actually hunt for food; but many gather food

by growing food such as crops; so we have to evolve out of our

hunting genes and into our gathering agricutrural genes]

some tribes today have not yet learned how to grow a simple crop of

food; you do not have any proof at all man was not meant to a

vegetarina

let me ask you a question

if man was not meant to be a vegetarain then why is so much fruit

growing on this earth; inclduign grains and seeds and berries ?

Who is all this food for then if not for us ? ? ?

Actually I have been a healthy vegetarin but I do eat eggs.

do you know the dif.between a vegetarian and a vegan ?

A vegetarain eats eggs and dariy ; a vegan does not;it's a choice !

Red Meat is bad because very difficutl to digest;

you relate to the hunger gatherer

I realte to cleopatra who discoverd crop farming and irrigation;

so you are not correct in saying man is not meant to be a vegetarin;

man is meant to be a vegetarin or an egg eater a nilk drinker etc.

OR a carnivore; or an herbivore or a vegan or a vegetarain

if you are a vegan you should definilty take a Vitmain B12 supplelent.

VITAMIN B12 IS THE ONLY NUTRIENT KNOWN NOT FOUND IN GREEN FOODS.

So man can be a vegetarian and over 1 billion people world wide are;

esp. in india but like you say most eat milk butter cheese or eggs.

Man could be a vegan but he would have to eat tons of greens for

trace B12 man can eat what ever he wants; like a shark or buzzard can.

a.h. as a matter of fact; man can eat sharks or man can eat spinach

LOL

>

> Hi Anne,

>

> Sorry to say but man wasn't meant to be vegetarian. I do totally

respect the ethical reasons people make the choice not to eat meat,

but we evolved as hunter/gatherers. It is true that there are

vitamins you can't get from plant foods such as some B vitamins.

Although there are man-made sources you can supplement like brewers

yeast, which is essentially eating one celled organisms.

>

> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

> 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> Currently studying for Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

>

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Anne

>

> you have your opinion and I have mine; anyway not trying to scare

you

>

> DID YOU KNOW IRON SUPPLEMENTS ARE THE NO 1 CAUSE OF POSIONING IN

> CHILDREN IN THE USA TODAY ACOOUDTING FOR HALF OF ALL CASES ?

>

> so be careful about talking about iron and iron supplemetns and

> saying things you do not know about; such as

>

> MAN IS AN OMINVORE

>

> NOT A CARNIVORE (basic meat diet

>

> MAN IS AN OMNIVORE meaning

>

> Man can eat any plant egg leaf herb fruit veggie;DOES NOT NEED MEAT

>

> If you want to eat animal products fine;but don't tell others to !

>

> that is a private decison AND SPINACH IS SO HIGH IN IRON the

Oxalate

> problem is over come

>

> but people who have oaxalte problems cannot eat spinach

>

> why do you have such a defensive attitude

>

> SPINACH HAS AVIALABLE IRON AND THIS IS A WELL PROVEN FACT GOOD BY --

-

>

>

[Guest guest]

ps do you know what is thought to be the original reason man and

woman went from the orignal Adam and Eve Fruutarian diet to meat ?

It happened like this

when Noah landed his ark there were no plant to eat because

everything was under water; too wet to grow crops or plant trees

so to save themselves from starvation; they utilized some of the

animals on board the Ark as a food source to save their lives

and then they planted crops but the habit of " meat eating continued on

so there is no flood today and no shortage of food. not only that but

if you are sedentary and eat meat this is very bad

only extremely active people should consume alot of meat such as

garbage collectors who get up at 3 am and haul garbage all day.

people who sit at desks need little or no meat; FISH AND POULTRT OK.--

- In candidiasis , Debby Padilla-Hudson

<debbypadilla@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Anne,

>

> Sorry to say but man wasn't meant to be vegetarian. I do totally

respect the ethical reasons people make the choice not to eat meat,

but we evolved as hunter/gatherers. It is true that there are

vitamins you can't get from plant foods such as some B vitamins.

Although there are man-made sources you can supplement like brewers

yeast, which is essentially eating one celled organisms.

>

> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

> 147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

> Group: curingcandida/

> Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

> Currently studying for Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

>

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Anne

>

> you have your opinion and I have mine; anyway not trying to scare

you

>

> DID YOU KNOW IRON SUPPLEMENTS ARE THE NO 1 CAUSE OF POSIONING IN

> CHILDREN IN THE USA TODAY ACOOUDTING FOR HALF OF ALL CASES ?

>

> so be careful about talking about iron and iron supplemetns and

> saying things you do not know about; such as

>

> MAN IS AN OMINVORE

>

> NOT A CARNIVORE (basic meat diet

>

> MAN IS AN OMNIVORE meaning

>

> Man can eat any plant egg leaf herb fruit veggie;DOES NOT NEED MEAT

>

> If you want to eat animal products fine;but don't tell others to !

>

> that is a private decison AND SPINACH IS SO HIGH IN IRON the

Oxalate

> problem is over come

>

> but people who have oaxalte problems cannot eat spinach

>

> why do you have such a defensive attitude

>

> SPINACH HAS AVIALABLE IRON AND THIS IS A WELL PROVEN FACT GOOD BY --

-

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know the nature of the boy's anemia; but Eggs are a good food.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>> Sorry your arthritis cure will not be free, but then again,

getting rid of

> >>>>> it should cost less and taske less time than you spent

getting it. I've

> >>>>> found that even serious dietary revision which is arguably

the cheapest

> >>>>> approach is difficult on its own.

> >>>>>

> >>>

> >>> My son contracted arthritis from an infected blood transfusion

in an

> >>> American hospital yet you BLAME sick people for being ill and

having no

> >>> money.

> >>>

> >>> It's your self righteous attitude that is repugnant because

you don't care

> >>> we're broke and you judge those who're sick in the first

place..

> >>>

> >>> Shame on you for seeking to profit from other's miseries, you

arrogant,

> >>> greedy little money making man.

> >>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

PS thanks for the suggestons;I hope the orignial psoter reads this;lol

> >>

> >>> I have heard all my life Spinach is an excellnet source of

Iron;

> >>>

> > not

> >

> >>> once have I ever read the opposite; maybe for people who cannot

> >>>

> > handle

> >

> >>> Oxalate; oxalates are important nutrients also; just not too

many.

> >>>

> >>> I think red meat would be terrible;

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>>> " VITAMIN B12 IS THE ONLY NUTRIENT KNOWN NOT FOUND IN GREEN FOODS. "

Yes, and Vit B12 is " essential " for a healthy body and healthy blood production.

I know this because I had a condition for which I was transfusion dependent for

18 months on both red cells and plts. At first I became strictly vegan, but

soon became B12 deficient even though I tried to make sure I was eating

adequately. Even after oral B12 supplimentation, it was not until I started to

eat animal " meat " again, did my blood counts significantly recover.

Personally, I think it is irresponsible to tell people that they do not need

animal meats especially if they have a blood condition. And knowing the rate of

leukemia and the many other blood diseases, that would include thousands and

thousands of people.

If you want to be vegetarian, that's fine, but I don't think that way of eating

should be forced down the throats of everyone else who need to eat meats to stay

health and strong.

Take care,

Marla

Anne <annroc2004@...> wrote: We evolved as

hunter gatherers; true; but the hunting aspect of our

lives has diminshed and the gathering has increased

for example few people actually hunt for food; but many gather food

by growing food such as crops; so we have to evolve out of our

hunting genes and into our gathering agricutrural genes]

some tribes today have not yet learned how to grow a simple crop of

food; you do not have any proof at all man was not meant to a

vegetarina

let me ask you a question

if man was not meant to be a vegetarain then why is so much fruit

growing on this earth; inclduign grains and seeds and berries ?

Who is all this food for then if not for us ? ? ?

Actually I have been a healthy vegetarin but I do eat eggs.

do you know the dif.between a vegetarian and a vegan ?

A vegetarain eats eggs and dariy ; a vegan does not;it's a choice !

Red Meat is bad because very difficutl to digest;

you relate to the hunger gatherer

I realte to cleopatra who discoverd crop farming and irrigation;

so you are not correct in saying man is not meant to be a vegetarin;

man is meant to be a vegetarin or an egg eater a nilk drinker etc.

OR a carnivore; or an herbivore or a vegan or a vegetarain

if you are a vegan you should definilty take a Vitmain B12 supplelent.

VITAMIN B12 IS THE ONLY NUTRIENT KNOWN NOT FOUND IN GREEN FOODS.

So man can be a vegetarian and over 1 billion people world wide are;

esp. in india but like you say most eat milk butter cheese or eggs.

Man could be a vegan but he would have to eat tons of greens for

trace B12 man can eat what ever he wants; like a shark or buzzard can.

a.h. as a matter of fact; man can eat sharks or man can eat spinach

LOL

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> Hi Anne,

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> Sorry to say but man wasn't meant to be vegetarian. I do totally

respect the ethical reasons people make the choice not to eat meat,

but we evolved as hunter/gatherers. It is true that there are

vitamins you can't get from plant foods such as some B vitamins.

Although there are man-made sources you can supplement like brewers

yeast, which is essentially eating one celled organisms.

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> Luv,

> Debby in San , CA

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> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Anne

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> you have your opinion and I have mine; anyway not trying to scare

you

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> DID YOU KNOW IRON SUPPLEMENTS ARE THE NO 1 CAUSE OF POSIONING IN

> CHILDREN IN THE USA TODAY ACOOUDTING FOR HALF OF ALL CASES ?

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> so be careful about talking about iron and iron supplemetns and

> saying things you do not know about; such as

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> MAN IS AN OMINVORE

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> NOT A CARNIVORE (basic meat diet

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> MAN IS AN OMNIVORE meaning

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> Man can eat any plant egg leaf herb fruit veggie;DOES NOT NEED MEAT

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> If you want to eat animal products fine;but don't tell others to !

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> that is a private decison AND SPINACH IS SO HIGH IN IRON the

Oxalate

> problem is over come

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> but people who have oaxalte problems cannot eat spinach

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> why do you have such a defensive attitude

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> SPINACH HAS AVIALABLE IRON AND THIS IS A WELL PROVEN FACT GOOD BY --

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[Guest guest]

Anne,

The only green food that Vitamin B12 is found in is aphanizomenon flos

aquae and it is bioavailable, unlike other alga.

And by the way - could everybody please trim their posts - we on

digest have to scroll through all of yesterday's messages - all you

need to do is just cut and paste what you are answering to - see below:

we all thank you.

> VITAMIN B12 IS THE ONLY NUTRIENT KNOWN NOT FOUND IN GREEN FOODS.

[Guest guest]

But unfortunately with spirulina, the B12 is not available to your

body - nearly 80% of Spirulina's vitamin B12 content is not

bio-available, meaning that the body is unable to utilize it. Vitamin

B12, which is in the corrinoid family, contains many variations or

" analogs, " some of which are active in humans and some of which are

not active in humans. Reports show a warning against over-consumption

of Spirulina because it induced pernicious anemia in a number of

people. It actually prevents other B12 from getting absorbed. So a

vegetarian should not rely on spirulina for their B12.

Carol

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> That is not true. Spirulina also contains large amounts of Vitamin

B12.