Re: melatonin and L-tryptophan

[Guest guest]

I wouldnt recommend it, but I have no proof either way.

Buddy

On 1/10/08, dianamagic2000 <gdiana07@...> wrote:

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> Can both supplements be used together at bedtime?

>

> thanks, diana

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't know if you can take both together, but my

holistic MD instructed me to simply increase the dose

of melatonin up to 20 mg. I take anywhere from 12mg

to 20mg of Melatonin nightly and have been doing so

for almost five years. It works very well for me.

Take care,

> >

> > Can both supplements be used together at

> bedtime?

> >

> > thanks, diana

> >

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[Guest guest]

Isnt the MD concerned about dependancy at that dose? Using 5-HTP is a

little better IMO because it is just a precursor, do you dont get the

negative feedback like you do with the melatonin. I always thought

melatonin is more of a short term fix versus long term.

Buddy

On 1/10/08, Niewiara <lisanwilliam@...> wrote:

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> Hi ,

> I don't know if you can take both together, but my

> holistic MD instructed me to simply increase the dose

> of melatonin up to 20 mg. I take anywhere from 12mg

> to 20mg of Melatonin nightly and have been doing so

> for almost five years. It works very well for me.

>

> Take care,

>

>

> > >

> > > Can both supplements be used together at

> > bedtime?

> > >

> > > thanks, diana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

> >

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PO Box 217

Orwigsburg, PA 17961

570-366-2613 phone

570-366-2618 fax

www.bmfchiro.com

[Guest guest]

Buddy,

Why wouldn't you recommend that combo?

Thanks,

" Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. " <dr.touchinsky@...> wrote:

I wouldnt recommend it, but I have no proof either way.

Buddy

On 1/10/08, dianamagic2000 <gdiana07@...> wrote:

>

> Can both supplements be used together at bedtime?

>

> thanks, diana

>

>

>

--

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

1209 Centre Turnpike

PO Box 217

Orwigsburg, PA 17961

570-366-2613 phone

570-366-2618 fax

www.bmfchiro.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Buddy,

I had a lot of difficulty sleeping both before and

after a cancer diagnosis. I would be up most of the

night and I was just exhausted. I started taking

Melatonin on the recommendation of Block, an

Integrative Oncologist in ton, IL. It works

wonders for me, plus it is a powerful antioxidant,

which is an added bonus.

--- " Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. "

<dr.touchinsky@...> wrote:

> Isnt the MD concerned about dependancy at that dose?

> Using 5-HTP is a

> little better IMO because it is just a precursor, do

> you dont get the

> negative feedback like you do with the melatonin.

> I always thought

> melatonin is more of a short term fix versus long

> term.

>

> Buddy

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> 1209 Centre Turnpike

> PO Box 217

> Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> 570-366-2613 phone

> 570-366-2618 fax

> www.bmfchiro.com

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I just never recommended it because I guess I never had to. In severe

cases, I guess it could be used.

In other words, I guess I'm saying if you dont have to use both, try not

to. I don't think you'll find any source that says it's a dangerous

combination, but I'm just leaning to the safe side. Just my opinion.

Has anyone here taken both? Does it leave you feel hung over the next

morning. I know for myself just taking 3-400mg of 5-HTP (tryptophan), I

have a hard time waking up in the AM.

Metagenics has a one or two good sleep aids. I havent used them myself or

in my practice, but I have a friend that has really good success with them.

Somnolin or Somolin, I can't remember the name.

Other than the 5-HTP and melatonin, I've also had some success with Orchex

from Standard Process.

Oh, and most importantly, diet is a HUGE factor. If you're eating a lot of

junk, you will not sleep well. I noticed this myself. During the holidays

I didnt eat very well and I didnt sleep very well. I thought I slept, but I

didnt wake up feeling like I had a good night's sleep. I started a cleanse

last week (mainly just eating lots of produce and taking some shakes), and I

am sleeping like a rock and feeling good in the morning. So, dont

underestimate the influence of diet in all of this.

Buddy

On 1/10/08, Eagle <jacobadler123@...> wrote:

>

> Buddy,

>

> Why wouldn't you recommend that combo?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> " Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. "

<dr.touchinsky@...<dr.touchinsky%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> I wouldnt recommend it, but I have no proof either way.

>

> Buddy

>

> On 1/10/08, dianamagic2000 <gdiana07@... <gdiana07%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Can both supplements be used together at bedtime?

> >

> > thanks, diana

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> 1209 Centre Turnpike

> PO Box 217

> Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> 570-366-2613 phone

> 570-366-2618 fax

> www.bmfchiro.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would have thought this was a huge amount to take. Apparently we made

less than 1 and a half mgs naturally so 3mgs should be adequate, but no more

than 6mgs. You have to remember that melatonin is a hormone and should be

treated with some caution I would have thought. Dee PS is this the

sublingual one because if not, this could make a difference and may not be

absorbed as well which would indicate higher doses I suppose. Does it make

you feel sluggish though?

-- Re: melatonin and L-tryptophan

Hi ,

I don't know if you can take both together, but my

holistic MD instructed me to simply increase the dose

of melatonin up to 20 mg. I take anywhere from 12mg

to 20mg of Melatonin nightly and have been doing so

for almost five years. It works very well for me.

Take care,

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee,

No, I don't feel sluggish. In fact, I feel well

rested. A stark contrast to how I felt before I

started taking Melatonin.

Dee, the dose can vary from person to person. Some

people only require 1mg, while others need a much

higher dose. For that reason I would start with

1mg....although I followed Dr. Block's instructions

and started with 3mg...and slowly increase to achieve

the desired effect. There are also tests that can be

done to measure Melatonin levels. Mine was ordered by

a physician, but I believe you can order saliva test

kits online.

It is important to remember that Melatonin also has

other benefits. It is a powerful antioxidant and

anti-cancer substance. Clinical trials for breast

cancer and other solid tumors, have shown that large

doses up to 50mg increased survival rates.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/0051122184018.htm

Be well,

--- Dee <dee@...> wrote:

> I would have thought this was a huge amount to take.

> Apparently we made

> less than 1 and a half mgs naturally so 3mgs should

> be adequate, but no more

> than 6mgs. You have to remember that melatonin is a

> hormone and should be

> treated with some caution I would have thought. Dee

> PS is this the

> sublingual one because if not, this could make a

> difference and may not be

> absorbed as well which would indicate higher doses I

> suppose. Does it make

> you feel sluggish though?

>

> -- Re: melatonin and

> L-tryptophan

>

> Hi ,

> I don't know if you can take both together, but my

> holistic MD instructed me to simply increase the

> dose

> of melatonin up to 20 mg. I take anywhere from 12mg

> to 20mg of Melatonin nightly and have been doing so

> for almost five years. It works very well for me.

>

> Take care,

>

>

> > >

> > >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I've used melatonin for years, but at very low dose. .3 to .5 mg only.

More than that gives me nightmares and headaches. I've read a couple of

places that low doses work as well for most people and have far fewer

side effects. That seems to be true for me.

Since it is a natural hormone the body makes I'm not sure how dependency

would figure in, except that 3 mg and up seem to be generally regarded

as very large doses compared to what we make on our own, or what we

would have made when young.

sol

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> Isnt the MD concerned about dependancy at that dose? Using 5-HTP is a

> little better IMO because it is just a precursor, do you dont get the

> negative feedback like you do with the melatonin. I always thought

> melatonin is more of a short term fix versus long term.

>

[Guest guest]

Since it is a natural hormone, dependancy develops due to a negative

feedback loop in the body. The way the body regulates melatonin, it makes

more when there is not enough (if possible), and it stops making it when

there is more than enough. So, if you are supplementing with melatonin, the

body senses there is enough being made so it makes less of it's own. If you

do this long term, the body loses it's ability to produce enough. When you

remove the supplement, then the body can often have a hard time increasing

production of melatonin to meet normal levels, leaving the person worse off

than they were before.

Short term use does not cause this issue, but long term use could.

Buddy

On 1/11/08, sol <solbun@...> wrote:

>

> I've used melatonin for years, but at very low dose. .3 to .5 mg only.

> More than that gives me nightmares and headaches. I've read a couple of

> places that low doses work as well for most people and have far fewer

> side effects. That seems to be true for me.

> Since it is a natural hormone the body makes I'm not sure how dependency

> would figure in, except that 3 mg and up seem to be generally regarded

> as very large doses compared to what we make on our own, or what we

> would have made when young.

> sol

>

> Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> > Isnt the MD concerned about dependancy at that dose? Using 5-HTP is a

> > little better IMO because it is just a precursor, do you dont get the

> > negative feedback like you do with the melatonin. I always thought

> > melatonin is more of a short term fix versus long term.

> >

>

>

>

--

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

1209 Centre Turnpike

PO Box 217

Orwigsburg, PA 17961

570-366-2613 phone

570-366-2618 fax

www.bmfchiro.com

[Guest guest]

I believe Buddy has given some good info on melatonin , and I agree it

has benefits. I just think (as Buddy has pointed out) that because it is a

hormone, care should be exercised with its use. I can use it for a couple

of nights (3mgs sublingual) but after that it gives me restless legs.

Horses for courses I suppose. Dee

-- Re: melatonin and L-tryptophan

Hi Dee,

No, I don't feel sluggish. In fact, I feel well

rested. A stark contrast to how I felt before I

started taking Melatonin.

[Guest guest]

With all that said, if you are using it for a specific therapeutic use under

the supervision of a trained clinician, that's different. I'm talking more

towards general use considerations.

Buddy

On 1/11/08, Dee <dee@...> wrote:

>

> I believe Buddy has given some good info on melatonin , and I agree

> it

> has benefits. I just think (as Buddy has pointed out) that because it is a

> hormone, care should be exercised with its use. I can use it for a couple

> of nights (3mgs sublingual) but after that it gives me restless legs.

> Horses for courses I suppose. Dee

>

> -- Re: melatonin and L-tryptophan

>

> Hi Dee,

> No, I don't feel sluggish. In fact, I feel well

> rested. A stark contrast to how I felt before I

> started taking Melatonin.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know some people who didn't even need melatonin anymore once they

were on an anti-aging program that centers the hormonal values in a

general way. They used SomaLife gHP, which is an HGH increaser; as

such, the healing that takes place repairs and restores hormonal

values including the sleep/serotonin/melatonin cycles, the circadian

rhythms. This is well known in the research and insomnia and well-

being restoration is part of the list of kown effects.

Duncan

>

> > Isnt the MD concerned about dependancy at that dose?

> > Using 5-HTP is a

> > little better IMO because it is just a precursor, do

> > you dont get the

> > negative feedback like you do with the melatonin.

> > I always thought

> > melatonin is more of a short term fix versus long

> > term.

> >

> > Buddy

>

> > Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C.

> > Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic

> > 1209 Centre Turnpike

> > PO Box 217

> > Orwigsburg, PA 17961

> > 570-366-2613 phone

> > 570-366-2618 fax

> > www.bmfchiro.com

> >

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

Appreciate your input. Wondering though, are there

any contraindications for increasing HGH for those who

have had cancer? Any chance this might spur cancer

growth? Would it not increase IGF-1?

Thanks and congrats on the engagement!

--- Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> I know some people who didn't even need melatonin

> anymore once they

> were on an anti-aging program that centers the

> hormonal values in a

> general way. They used SomaLife gHP, which is an HGH

> increaser; as

> such, the healing that takes place repairs and

> restores hormonal

> values including the sleep/serotonin/melatonin

> cycles, the circadian

> rhythms. This is well known in the research and

> insomnia and well-

> being restoration is part of the list of kown

> effects.

>

> Duncan

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[Guest guest]

,

I'd agree with what you say, but my experience is 1 mg is too high a

dose for ME. I am currently taking .5 mg SL melatonin. I wanted 300 mcg

but didn't find one on the day of my last order that didn't have

ingredients I don't want.. But I actually feel I do better on 300 mcg

than on 500 mcg (.5 mg).

sol

Niewiara wrote:

> Dee, the dose can vary from person to person. Some

> people only require 1mg, while others need a much

> higher dose. For that reason I would start with

> 1mg....although I followed Dr. Block's instructions

> and started with 3mg...and slowly increase to achieve

> the desired effect. There are also tests that can be

> done to measure Melatonin levels. Mine was ordered by

> a physician, but I believe you can order saliva test

> kits online.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, we all make millions of cancerous cells daily, yet in the

studies on elderly people on HGH therapy, while the controls had

normal cancer occurrences, the HGH subjects had almost no cancer

starts at all. This in people who technically " had " cancer every day

of the program

Another way to look at the answer is to note that it's the population

fraction with the lowest HGH release, not the highest, that sees the

highest cancer rates, the older adults, not the youngsters.

ALL cells require IGF-1 growth factors for cell repair and cell

division, which precipitates healing, and the immune cells, which eat

cancer, require IGF-1 as well.

Thanks for the congrats on our engagement!

Duncan

>

> > I know some people who didn't even need melatonin

> > anymore once they

> > were on an anti-aging program that centers the

> > hormonal values in a

> > general way. They used SomaLife gHP, which is an HGH

> > increaser; as

> > such, the healing that takes place repairs and

> > restores hormonal

> > values including the sleep/serotonin/melatonin

> > cycles, the circadian

> > rhythms. This is well known in the research and

> > insomnia and well-

> > being restoration is part of the list of kown

> > effects.

> >

> > Duncan