Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 Hi Geoff, > Grape juice is actually a better source of antioxidants than oranges, > interestingly. (Fresh, of course -- not bottled and not, well, > " vintage " ) Meaning what? Red wine has long been recognised as an excellent source of antioxidants, and together with other elements of the " Mediterranean diet " (like olive oil, and fresh vegetables) is one of the reasons suggested why people in the Mediterranean live longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 Ah you make me chuckle, I have thoughts like this too LOL. I think that the difference here is oxidation and oxygenation are two different things, but of course I may be wrong Mandi in UK > I was sitting here thinking (dangerous....lol)and thought that if autistic > children have oxygenation problems with their cells, then why do we give them > ANTI-oxidants.Mind you I don't have a clue as to whether or not this has any > bearing on actual bio-chemistry but I do think it's an interesting question. > Anyone out there in the know want to take a shot at this?I have probably > just laid out my ignorance on the internet table....time to get sleep. > R > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 Hi , actually this is dead on tract (our kids needing cellular O2), I think the problem may be that the expression antioxidant doesn't mean the antioxidant destroys O2, the anti-oxidants actually helps stop things from being oxidized ie an antioxidant would help stop iron being turned into rust. The transport of O2 to the cell is a totally different mechanism which depends on O2 binding to hemoglobin and being released at the cuellular level, there are many things that help promote that, hope that helps, Andy I'm sure can do a better job of explaining this > I was sitting here thinking (dangerous....lol)and thought that if autistic children have oxygenation problems with their cells, then why do we give them ANTI-oxidants.Mind you I don't have a clue as to whether or not this has any bearing on actual bio-chemistry but I do think it's an interesting question. Anyone out there in the know want to take a shot at this?I have probably just laid out my ignorance on the internet table....time to get sleep. > R > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 > > >Dee, > Just to warn you and anyone else taking it. >Echinacea is not recommended for someone with MS as it >over stimulates the immune system and encourages it to >attack itself. As do mega doses of anti-oxidants. > Audrey > " It appears that treatment with high levels of antioxidants can be helpful. The antioxidants include vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotene, and selenium. These antioxidants should be taken every day for the rest of your life. " http://alternative-medicine-and-health.com/conditions/msclerosis.htm Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Thanks , is the "wild blueberry IQ" helping? PS I am silly for blueberries have been since childhood. It would be nice if something as natural as blueberries is helpful. I enjoy picking them, eating them and blueberry pie making. This is about 45 day of LDN for me I am feeling great ! I am thinking more clearly, I have bladder control, increased energy, I am walking better, decreased leg spasms, improved hand-eye-coordination, breathing is improved, digestion has improved . In short this is the best I have been in years. Happy Thanksgiving to all and I am hoping continued improvement for all JL -----Original Message----- From: Landau [mailto:carrieland2@...]Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:54 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] AntioxidantsI'm taking something called Wild Blueberry IQ, which I read about on Dr.Mercola's website. It's supposed to be a "super antioxidant."________________________________________________________________Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95.Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com!Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Joanne, I have no idea if anything's working! But I'm taking cod liver oil and wild blueberry iq regularly. Certainly, they're not hurting... ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Blueberry is great for improving blood/brain barrier health. ----- Original Message ----- From: Landau low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] RE: Antioxidants Joanne, I have no idea if anything's working! But I'm taking cod liveroil and wild blueberry iq regularly. Certainly, they're not hurting...________________________________________________________________Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95.Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com!Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Antioxidants and Free radicals Antioxidants are intimately involved in the prevention of cellular damage -- the common pathway for cancer, aging, and a variety of diseases. The scientific community has begun to unveil some of the mysteries surrounding this topic, and the media has begun whetting our thirst for knowledge. Athletes have a keen interest because of health concerns and the prospect of enhanced performance and/or recovery from exercise. The purpose of this article is to serve as a beginners guide to what antioxidants are and to briefly review their role in exercise and general health. What follows is only the tip of the iceberg in this dynamic and interesting subject. It's the radicals, man Free radicals are atoms or groups of atoms with an odd (unpaired) number of electrons and can be formed when oxygen interacts with certain molecules. Once formed these highly reactive radicals can start a chain reaction, like dominoes. Their chief danger comes from the damage they can do when they react with important cellular components such as DNA, or the cell membrane. Cells may function poorly or die if this occurs. To prevent free radical damage the body has a defense system of antioxidants. Antioxidants are molecules which can safely interact with free radicals and terminate the chain reaction before vital molecules are damaged. Although there are several enzyme systems within the body that scavenge free radicals, the principle micronutrient (vitamin) antioxidants are vitamin E, beta-carotene, and vitamin C. Additionally, selenium, a trace metal that is required for proper function of one of the body's antioxidant enzyme systems, is sometimes included in this category. The body cannot manufacture these micronutrients so they must be supplied in the diet. Vitamin E : d-alpha tocopherol. A fat soluble vitamin present in nuts, seeds, vegetable and fish oils, whole grains (esp. wheat germ), fortified cereals, and apricots. Current recommended daily allowance (RDA) is 15 IU per day for men and 12 IU per day for women. Vitamin C : Ascorbic acid is a water soluble vitamin present in citrus fruits and juices, green peppers, cabbage, spinach, broccoli, kale, cantaloupe, kiwi, and strawberries. The RDA is 60 mg per day. Intake above 2000 mg may be associated with adverse side effects in some individuals. Beta-carotene is a precursor to vitamin A (retinol) and is present in liver, egg yolk, milk, butter, spinach, carrots, squash, broccoli, yams, tomato, cantaloupe, peaches, and grains. Because beta-carotene is converted to vitamin A by the body there is no set requirement. Instead the RDA is expressed as retinol equivalents (RE), to clarify the relationship. (NOTE: Vitamin A has no antioxidant properties and can be quite toxic when taken in excess.) Preventing cancer and heart disease -- do antioxidants help? Epidemiologic observations show lower cancer rates in people whose diets are rich in fruits and vegetables. This has lead to the theory that these diets contain substances, possibly antioxidants, which protect against the development of cancer. There is currently intense scientific investigation into this topic. Thus far, none of the large, well designed studies have shown that dietary supplementation with extra antioxidants reduces the risk of developing cancer. In fact one study demonstrated an increased risk of lung cancer in male smokers who took antioxidants vs. male smoker who did not supplement. Whether this effect was from the antioxidants is unknown but it does raise the issue that antioxidants may be harmful under certain conditions. Antioxidants are also thought to have a role in slowing the aging process and preventing heart disease and strokes, but the data is still inconclusive. Therefore from a public health perspective it is premature to make recommendations regarding antioxidant supplements and disease prevention. New data from ongoing studies will be available in the next few years and will shed more light on this constantly evolving area. Perhaps the best advice, which comes from several authorities in cancer prevention, is to eat 5 servings of fruit or vegetables per day. Exercise and oxidative damage Endurance exercise can increase oxygen utilization from 10 to 20 times over the resting state. This greatly increases the generation of free radicals, prompting concern about enhanced damage to muscles and other tissues. The question that arises is, how effectively can athletes defend against the increased free radicals resulting from exercise? Do athletes need to take extra antioxidants? Because it is not possible to directly measure free radicals in the body, scientists have approached this question by measuring the by-products that result from free radical reactions. If the generation of free radicals exceeds the antioxidant defenses then one would expect to see more of these by-products. These measurements have been performed in athletes under a variety of conditions. Several interesting concepts have emerged from these types of experimental studies. Regular physical exercise enhances the antioxidant defense system and protects against exercise induced free radical damage. This is an important finding because it shows how smart the body is about adapting to the demands of exercise. These changes occur slowly over time and appear to parallel other adaptations to exercise. On the other hand, intense exercise in untrained individuals overwhelms defenses resulting in increased free radical damage. Thus, the "weekend warrior" who is predominantly sedentary during the week but engages in vigorous bouts of exercise during the weekend may be doing more harm than good. To this end there are many factors which may determine whether exercise induced free radical damage occurs, including degree of conditioning of the athlete, intensity of exercise, and diet. Can antioxidant supplements prevent exercise induced damage or enhance recovery from exercise? Although it is well known that vitamin deficiencies can create difficulties in training and recovery, the role of antioxidant supplementation in a well nourished athlete is controversial. The experimental studies are often conflicting and conclusions are difficult to reach. Nevertheless, most of the data suggest that increased intake of vitamin E is protective against exercise induced oxidative damage. It is hypothesized that vitamin E is also involved in the recovery process following exercise. Currently, the amount of vitamin E needed to produce these effects is unknown. The diet may supply enough vitamin E in most athletes, but some may require supplementation. There is no firm data to support the use of increased amounts of the other antioxidants. Performance In general, antioxidant supplements have not been shown to be useful as performance enhancers. The one exception to this is vitamin E which has been shown to be useful in athletes exercising at high altitudes. A placebo controlled study done on mountaineers demonstrated less free radical damage and decline in anaerobic threshold in those athletes supplemented with vitamin E. Although difficult to generalize, this finding suggests that supplementation with vitamin E might be beneficial in those triathletes who are adapting to higher elevations. How much is enough? Although there is little doubt that antioxidants are a necessary component for good health, no one knows if supplements should be taken and, if so, how much. Antioxidants supplements were once thought to be harmless but increasingly we are becoming aware of interactions and potential toxicity. It is interesting to note that, in the normal concentrations found in the body, vitamin C and beta-carotene are antioxidants; but at higher concentrations they are pro-oxidants and, thus, harmful. Also, very little is known about the long term consequences of megadoses of antioxidants. The body's finely tuned mechanisms are carefully balanced to withstand a variety of insults. Taking chemicals without a complete understanding of all of their effects may disrupt this balance. Recommendations Follow a balanced training program that emphasizes regular exercise and eat 5 servings of fruit or vegetables per day. This will ensure that you are developing your inherent antioxidant systems and that your diet is providing the necessary components. Weekend warriors should strongly consider a more balanced approach to exercise. Failing that, consider supplementation. For extremely demanding races (such as an ultradistance event), or when adapting to high altitude, consider taking a vitamin E supplement (100 to 200 IU, approximately 10 times the RDA) per day for several weeks up to and following the race. Look for upcoming FDA recommendations, but be wary of advertising and media hype. Do not oversupplement. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Some follow-up to those very interesting comments at FlaxSeedOil2: Posted by: " rnmendez3000 " rnmendez3000@... rnmendez3000 Date: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:29 am ((PST)) Dr. Loretta Lanphier wrote: We have had a lot of discussion about antioxidants and their role in the Budwig protocol....Dr. Budwig did not believe that unnatural (by that I mean processed) vitamins were needed and she certainly cautioned against the use of anything synthetic, including drugs.... -------------- Hi there Loretta, and thanks for your thoughtful posting. As I understand the problem so far, Dr Budwig did NOT advise against vitamins or supplements or antioxidants " in the abstract " or in absolute terms but in relative terms. You can understand what I mean by reading a few quotes from her book " Cancer... " , reproduced by , one of this list's moderators, last October 23. Take this one, for instance: " In a review of her book, CANCER-THE PROBLEM AND THE SOLUTION, Dr. Budwig either wrote or approved these statements: [i used caps on the key words] 'How then do we get sick? Because we take in too many of these " electron thieves " or in other words, because we eat foods and poisons which block cell respiration. Known electron thieves are for example margarine, animal fat, butter, nitrate, radiation and zytostatics (chemo therapy). They all prevent the uptake of electrons. Interestingly, belonging to this are also ANTIOXIDANTS, like for example VITAMINS (from a certain level on). Be therefore careful about using high doses of vitamins.' " As far as I can see, she is NOT saying that vitamins interfere with the Budwig Protocol or that we should not take vitamins ever. She is simply saying not to take " high doses " ...and I fully agree to it. Don't you? Greetings to all, RNM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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