Guest guest Posted December 3, 1999 Report Share Posted December 3, 1999 Hi Gordon, Could you give us your protocol? At your convenience, of course! Thanks, Tom Message: 7 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:34:41 +1030 From: Greg <gowatson@...> Subject: What does Gordon use? Hi Gordon, As you seem to enjoy discussing my protocol, perhaps you might level the playing fields and disclose what you take in your own Anti-Aging protocol. I do know that you use injectable GH. What are the timing, amounts and results so far? I also believe Ellis supplies you with the injectable GH. Did you get a good deal? What other supplements, amounts and timing do you use? -- Good Health & Long Life, Greg , http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gowatson > Re: Anybody out there > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 1999 Report Share Posted December 3, 1999 Hi Tom, I take injectable hGH and a full spectrum of vitamins and antioxidants (Life Extension Mix from LEF and some other stuff I buy from BAC). I sometimes take DHEA and sometimes melatonin. I also follow a fairly strict low-calorie low-carb low-grain meat and vegetable based diet. I eat fruit but I eat it like it was candy (for dessert, sparingly). I've been thinking of going to a " pure " paleolithic style cave-man diet, which would mean eliminating grains and dairy products. As it is I eat almost no grains anyway, but I do eat cheese, so cheese would be the main thing I would need to eliminate. How about you? -gts > Hi Gordon, > > Could you give us your protocol? > > At your convenience, of course! > > Thanks, > Tom > > > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:34:41 +1030 > From: Greg <gowatson@...> > Subject: What does Gordon use? > > Hi Gordon, > > As you seem to enjoy discussing my protocol, perhaps you might level the > playing fields and disclose what you take in your own Anti-Aging > protocol. > > I do know that you use injectable GH. What are the timing, amounts and > results so far? > > I also believe Ellis supplies you with the injectable GH. Did you get a > good deal? > > What other supplements, amounts and timing do you use? > > -- > Good Health & Long Life, > Greg , > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gowatson > > > > > Re: Anybody out there > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get the most popular downloads on the Web. They¹re new! > They¹re hot! They're FREE! Utilities, drivers, games. > It's all here. http://clickhere./click/1613 > > > -- Talk to your group with your own voice! > -- VoiceChatPage?listName=longevity & m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 1999 Report Share Posted December 4, 1999 Hi GT and all, I wish I had your discipline as regards to diet; I seem to be slipping back into some old bad habits regarding high density carbohydrate. It's been a learning curve, almost second nature now BUT continually learning from others on the site. I'll glean ideas from others and incorporate them into my program. I'm about 17% Body Fat now but would like to be back at around 11%(still working on it; mostly dietary). The energy went up(along with attitude, outlook on life and wellness, etc.) back when I began the aminoacid GH releasers(nearly two years now) and has remained unchanged! No drop-off! Libido is nearly uncontrollable! Attribute this to the GHB. The peak doesn't become less and less but it's been my experience (nearly two years now) that you reach a plateau. That is, at first it grows and grows, more quickly at first but then slowly up until about six months. Then after cycling, you simply MAINTAIN the levels that you REGAINED (no drop-off from what I've 'FELT'). My experience is purely subjective as I have never taken IGF-1 tests before or after. Further, once you reach your 20-30 something plateau, you need even less precursor, and you can cut back to 3 - 4 days per week. Just recently I've done 4 days on, 3 days off. The 4 days on: Rejuvamin Plus(Biocentrics) at 10:00am; APGL 6g around 4:30pm followed by 20-45 min. high intensity exercise(3 - 4 days per week); 9:00pm one tablespoon liquid GHB, SomataPro, or ReNewtrient (alone with Melatonin). Vitamins, minerals, Fish liver oil, etc(here lately, antioxidants contained in Met-Rx food bars or Zone food bars) 5 - 6 days a week. And last but not least: The ZONE lifestyle Pyramid diet protocol http://www.enterthezone.com I have posted here my strength training routines(three) for any interested. Each session lasts from 15 to 30 min. depending on how many sets I feel like doing(always one; never more than three). Many times I begin by warming up, doing the 'Tabata' on my treadmill (about 8 min. or so) then start the exercises. Most exercises are done on a home gym(Pacific Fitness, Del Mar). I also use Dumbbells for certain variation. Ignore the numbers out to the left; they are bolt positions used to set-up the machine. PACIFIC WORKOUT LOG 6 AB CRUNCH 6 SQUATS CLOSE GRIP CHIN-UPS 9 CALVES RAISE BAR UPRIGHT ROWING LEG EXTENSION Endurance: Supersets of ascending weight, speed and intensity w/descending reps: lactic BURN, not failure. 13 LAT. PULLDOWN LOW PULLY ROW LYING LEG RAISES SHOULDER SHRUGS 2 REAR DELTOID BICEPS CURL PRONE 11 TRICEPS PUSHDOWN REV. CURL Power training: use HEAVY weight: 4 to 8 reps done as: one rep, rest 5 - 10 seconds, then another rep, rest . . 5 CHEST FLYES LEG LUNGES 4 INCLINE PRESS DEAD LIFT 7 CHEST PRESS 2 LEG CURL Here's a good link on 40-30-30 meals if you can't get the book : http://www.zonemaster.com/ you can print the info if you have a printer. Here is the site which shows other links to 'Zone' related topics, subjects and companies. Enjoy your journey! http://www.zonehome.com/zonelink.htm Hi Tom, I take injectable hGH and a full spectrum of vitamins and antioxidants (Life Extension Mix from LEF and some other stuff I buy from BAC). I sometimes take DHEA and sometimes melatonin. I also follow a fairly strict low-calorie low-carb low-grain meat and vegetable based diet. I eat fruit but I eat it like it was candy (for dessert, sparingly). I've been thinking of going to a " pure " paleolithic style cave-man diet, which would mean eliminating grains and dairy products. As it is I eat almost no grains anyway, but I do eat cheese, so cheese would be the main thing I would need to eliminate. How about you? -gts > Re: Protocol? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 No, I was referring to a message from: Original Message----- > From: dky72@... [sMTP:dky72@...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:20 AM > Protocol? > > > where's the reply? > > Hi Tom. I'm not entirely sure what reply you are asking about here. I > think > you asked about my regimen, which I outlined, and then then you gave us > yours (which by the way looks great). > > -gts > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 1999 Report Share Posted December 10, 1999 Hello Gordon and Tom, Gordon, I don't like the " caveman diet " ... For myself, I have started increasing protein far above what it used to be, but I still try to avoid fat, unless it comes with the protein... and I always eat plenty of fruit, vegetables, skim milk, and skim milk products such as ice cream, yoghurt, etc. I am becoming more and more convinced of the goodness of protein, but that has not made me think that carbohydrates are bad... I don't know if you want to hear a simili, but I explain my nutritional philosophy to friends as follows: Our body is like a building... it can be built of steel, cement, bricks, and rocks... or it can be built of clay and wood and plastic and glass... OR... it can also be built of steel and cement and bricks and rocks AND clay, wood, plastic, and glass. FAT is plastic and glass... CARBOHYDRATE is clay and wood... PROTEIN is steel, cement, bricks and rocks. I try to avoid FAT, I try to look for PROTEIN, and I let CARBOHYDRATE fall as it may, avoiding sugar as much as I can. For me, Enemy #1 is FAT, Enemy #2 is sugar, and Enemy #3 is salt... but I love salt, and I don't have to worry about it, since I have very good blood pressure readings. (60 or 70, over 90 or 100) Tom, I think you should avoid as much fat as you can, and seek vegetables and fruits, and skim milk and egg whites, or protein shakes with little or no fat. The Zone diet is going to make you not lose fat, and maybe gain it. 40-30-30 is simply too much fat. I like the 30 protein, but the 30 fat is too darn much! Try 50-30-20 or 60-30-10 which I think is even better. Saludos, Ellis --- Tom Tanner <Tom.Tanner@...> wrote: > > Hi GT and all, > > I wish I had your discipline as regards to diet; I > seem to be > slipping back > into some old bad habits regarding high density > carbohydrate. > > It's been a learning curve, almost second nature > now BUT continually > learning from others on the site. I'll glean ideas > from others and > incorporate them into my program. > > I'm about 17% Body Fat now but would like to be > back at around > 11%(still working on it; mostly dietary). The energy > went up(along with > attitude, outlook on life and wellness, etc.) back > when I began the > aminoacid GH releasers(nearly two years now) and has > remained unchanged! No > drop-off! > > Libido is nearly uncontrollable! Attribute this to > the GHB. > > The peak doesn't become less and less but it's been > my experience > (nearly two years now) that you reach a plateau. > That is, at first it grows > and grows, more quickly at first but then slowly up > until about six months. > Then after cycling, you simply MAINTAIN the levels > that you REGAINED (no > drop-off from what I've 'FELT'). My experience is > purely subjective as I > have never taken IGF-1 tests before or after. > > Further, once you reach your 20-30 something > plateau, you need even > less precursor, and you can cut back to 3 - 4 days > per week. > > Just recently I've done 4 days on, 3 days off. The > 4 days on: > Rejuvamin Plus(Biocentrics) at 10:00am; APGL 6g > around 4:30pm followed by > 20-45 min. high intensity exercise(3 - 4 days per > week); 9:00pm one > tablespoon liquid GHB, > SomataPro, or ReNewtrient (alone with Melatonin). > > Vitamins, minerals, Fish liver oil, etc(here > lately, antioxidants > contained > in Met-Rx food bars or Zone food bars) > 5 - 6 days a week. And last but not least: The ZONE > lifestyle Pyramid diet > protocol http://www.enterthezone.com > > I have posted here my strength training > routines(three) for > any > interested. Each session lasts from 15 to 30 min. > depending on how many sets > I feel like doing(always one; never more than > three). > > Many times I begin by warming up, doing the > 'Tabata' on my treadmill > (about 8 min. or so) then start the exercises. Most > exercises are done on a > home gym(Pacific Fitness, Del Mar). I also use > Dumbbells for certain > variation. Ignore the numbers out to the left; they > are bolt positions used > to set-up the machine. > > PACIFIC WORKOUT LOG > > 6 AB CRUNCH > 6 SQUATS > CLOSE GRIP CHIN-UPS > 9 CALVES RAISE > BAR UPRIGHT ROWING > LEG EXTENSION > > > Endurance: Supersets of ascending weight, speed and > intensity w/descending > reps: lactic BURN, not failure. > > 13 LAT. PULLDOWN > LOW PULLY ROW > LYING LEG RAISES > SHOULDER SHRUGS > 2 REAR DELTOID > BICEPS CURL PRONE > 11 TRICEPS PUSHDOWN > REV. CURL > > Power training: use HEAVY weight: 4 to 8 reps done > as: one rep, rest 5 - 10 > seconds, then another rep, rest . . > > > 5 CHEST FLYES > LEG LUNGES > 4 INCLINE PRESS > DEAD LIFT > 7 CHEST PRESS > 2 LEG CURL > > > Here's a good link on 40-30-30 meals if you > can't get the book : > http://www.zonemaster.com/ you can print the info if > you have a printer. > > Here is the site which shows other links to 'Zone' > related topics, subjects > and companies. Enjoy your journey! > > http://www.zonehome.com/zonelink.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > I take injectable hGH and a full spectrum of > vitamins and antioxidants (Life > Extension Mix from LEF and some other stuff I buy > from BAC). I sometimes > take DHEA and sometimes melatonin. > > I also follow a fairly strict low-calorie low-carb > low-grain meat and > vegetable based diet. I eat fruit but I eat it like > it was candy (for > dessert, sparingly). > > I've been thinking of going to a " pure " paleolithic > style cave-man diet, > which would mean eliminating grains and dairy > products. As it is I eat > almost no grains anyway, but I do eat cheese, so > cheese would be the main > thing I would need to eliminate. > > How about you? > > -gts > > > > Re: Protocol? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get 75% Off Our Best Selling Health and Wellness > Books! > SelfCare.com has everything you need to take care of > you and your family, > plus spend $40 or more and your shipping is free! > http://clickhere./click/1824 > > > > eGroups.com Home: > longevity/ > - Simplifying group > communications > > > ===== Ellis Toussier See Table of Contents of all my Rejuvenation pages http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/table.html __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Is the protocol we use here written down anywhere in a comprehensive way? I can't find it in the files. Thanks. > Mandy, if you follow the protocol we use here you wouldn't need > another N.D. > > Duncan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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