coming over from the other side

[Guest guest]

So sorry to bother group about Bee's side of things,but I am dealing

with some life and death issues and that is not hyperbole!

My wife has HIV and is getting close to the place where her doctor

will want her to start on the cocktail. My doctor has said that I

could die without taking a Staton drug and I have an appointment with

a cardiologist on Monday. I did fight going on blood pressure meds

several months ago and used Bee's program complete with loads of

butter, sea salt and coconut oil to get my blood pressure to drop 20

points both high and low and I am really looking at not doing the

statin drugs even with my higher cholesterol. The other group just

advises that AZT is nothing but a poison and I think that may be

another easy black and white answer. I have know a lot of people

who both died of AIDS in the 90s (I live in San Francisco) and not

all of them were Gay. My best friend lost his wife to HIV along with

his two sons. His wife had a blood transfusion while having the

first child back before we knew anything about AIDS. My friend

watched his kids and wife die and his brother got hiv around the same

time from sex. His brother got on the cocktail just when he was

getting really sick and now 15 years later, he is really doing well,

running, playing tennis and having a good life. In addition to that

I was on the board of a AIDS charity that served homeless people with

HIV. They, some of my friends were dropping like in a war till AZT

came out and I saw AIDS kind of stop killing people, not all together

but at a much slower rate.

Bee also advises that Statin drug do nothing but kill people and

sites Doctor Mercola; however even Doctor Mercola goes on to say that

some people need Staton drugs if cholesterol is over 350.

I have some real questions and am trying to learn for both my wife

and myself and I know a lot of people on AZT. I ask Bee a few

questions and when I can see there is some real Post Hoc logic

problems with her answers, she asked me two more questions in front

of the whole group and then kicks me out of the group so that I can

not answer. One of her stronger answers about Statin drugs is that

at the turn of the century people had less heart attacks but I would

guess that had a lot to do with the fact that people did not live

near as long then. If you die at 30 your not apt to be killed by a

heart attack where as if you live to 90 you are. Then I posted a few

Harvard studies about AIDS and Bee who always says the FDA and Drug

companies withhold information, withheld the info from being posted

and kicked me out of the group. Seems to me like that is worse than

the drug companies who also have a moral obligation to support their

share holders. I do know that a huge amount of studies funded by

drug companies fair the drug they are trying to bring to the market.

Would you ever take Statin drugs and if not why not and do you see a

relationship between Candida and heart attack? I do know if one

takes a Staten drug one would have to get their liver checked a lot

and you can have muscle pain, but as a study reported by ABC stated.

If you had HIV what would you all do? Would at any point you

consider AZT?

On the one hand, without any help from Bee or her group I find her

side of the argument can best be summed up in a Harvard study that

says vitamins be more effective at treating HIV/aids

http://www.dr-rath-

foundation.org.za/open_letters/open_letter_2004_11_30.htm

Then on the other side of that, there is this Harvard study of which

the story came out a few days ago:

November 26, 2008 Harvard Study: South African AIDS Denialism

Resulted in 365,000 Deaths

The South African government could have prevented 365,000 HIV/AIDS

deaths, The New York Times reports. A study by Harvard University

researchers estimates that providing antiretroviral drugs in general

and drugs specifically to prevent mother-to-child transmission could

have prevented those deaths.

The study concluded that the policies of former President Thabo Mbeki

were to blame. After years of tension in the African National

Congress, the party ousted Mbeki in September. The study has again

raised questions about why Mbeki was so influenced by AIDS denialists—

and why his political colleagues did not challenge him earlier.

One of the first acts of Kgalema Motlanthe, Mbeki's successor, was to

replace Manto Tshabala-Msimang. She was Mbeki's health minister, who

suggested beetroot, lemon juice and garlic as treatment. Barbara

Hogan, the new health minister, has quickly reversed course.

" I feel ashamed that we have to own up to what Harvard is saying, "

said Hogan, who was incarcerated for a decade during apartheid. " The

era of denialism is over completely in South Africa. "