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hi everyone!

Myname is Viola, I am Mom to 3 children Tammy who is 17, Tania who is 14, and

who is 9 and has down syndrome. About a year and a half ago,

started showing some signs of autistic behavior, for example alot of flapping

of his hands, hand gazing, and wanting things in his room and such to be put

back exactly where he always has them He watches video tapes constantly over

and over, he makes some strange vocal sounds when he is in what i call his

" world " . Attention span has gotten shorter also. He does speak, he does

know his colors and reads some sight words. He can count and do matching.

Can any one tell me if this sounds familiar, if it does indeed sound like

austic behaviors? Thanks so much !! Viola

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Tonya,

So sorry about your baby. That is such a reminder of how dangerous this

disease can be. I am very sad for your loss.

Aimee

Hi ! Carolyn :):)

Dear Carolyn,

Hi! I read your note to Donna and just had to introduce

myself as well.My name is theresa or better known around most parts as

Tree:):) I've had JRA since 8 and I just hit 40 :0! I was diagnosed only

after years of not knowing what was wrong and going from doctor to doctor to

doctor....until finally I had a severe flare my fingers developed

boutenneire deformities and they then could label me with JRA. I'm married ,

have one son 14 which I too have been watching like a hawk for JRA. The jury

is still out on that one ! I worked for years as and artist but had to stop

my career in its tracks because of my JRA as well! I've had both my hips

replaced and have avoided other replacements so far , I too have hypothyroid

and often deal with pnuemonia's and plurisy , I've recently add osteopinia

to my list ..but what's one more thing :):)

I agree with you totally about the RA , JRA thing , I don't think

twice to tell people even doctors that I have JRA . It helps to get the word

out that kids get arthritis too and I think I sometimes wear that label like

a badge of courage or a medal of honor maybe . Over 32 year veteran is

nothing to sneeze at , as I know you are fully aware. Donna (Faces 1999) is

a good friend of mine and we are always trying to unite our kind so to

speak. Donna and I lived within 5 miles of each other and even had the same

physical therapist that visited our homes as children and we were never

introduced to each other. But we found each other three years ago and well I

can't tell you what it means to know and talk and cry and listen and share

everything we go through with someone that has been through it too!

As for meds> oh my gosh just don't get me started !!!!!!! I have a

list of tryed it and dumped it longer than my whole body, I've only enjoyed

remission twice , once during my pregnancy, and the second was for six weeks

thanks to Embrel , but it was too short lived and after a cocktail of Embrel

, Methotrexate and celebrex I got liver damage which forced me to be without

any drugs except my synthroid from last November to March.

This is a great group and it never ceases to amaze me what I can

learn from all the postings and from all the JRAer's ....Vets and kiddo's

alike ! Hope your doing well and outta that chair soon, email me when ever

you need to talk.

How old are your children and where do you all live?

My son Matt is 14 , I'm married to for ummm 19 years hmmm ,

he's 44 going on 10!!!! lol We live in Louisville, Kentucky

I hope you all have a wonderful and blessed christmas and I'll keep

your walking status on my prayer list everyday:):) it's it a pain to not

be mobile....Yuck ...I hate that the most lol Keep smilin

:):):):)Tree:):):):):)

Re: Digest Number 1204

Dear Donna. I have longed to find someone with a common life story.

Have you

had any surgerys to date? I have had 13. Ankle fusions, wrist

fusions,

tendons rupture..etc. I have been a member of about .com's arthritis

chats

but...so many of those wonderful people have had adult onset. It is

hard to

relate to them when we have had a lifetime of JRA. I correct my

doctors

constantly...they say oh you have RA ...I say no...JRA! There is a

big

difference. The joints it effect are different etc. Do your doctors

treat you

now as JRA or RA. The meds act differently from whose with adult

onset. I

have been on everything from Plaquenil, gold injections, MTX, enbrel

etc.....My thyroid acted up and I have been on synthroid since I was

about

22. My right lung has inflamatory cells now causing bouts of

pneumonia and

plurisy. But through all of this my attitude has been strong. Having

a

chronic problem your whole life makes you strong. I have two great

kids and a

terrific husband. My kids pediatrician and I have watched the kids

like hawks

even through panoramic dental x-rays and they have no signs of JRA.

There was

no family history, I just started symptoms and it took untill I was

17 to

diagnose it. I went from very athletic to nothing. I have never

stoped

looking for answers, or looking for help. If a joint crumbles, I get

it

fixed. So if acupuncture can help why not? Right now I am in a cast

and in a

wheel chair after my left ankle was fused. I look forward to walking

, I hope

by Christmas. Santa...thats all I need! HAHAHA (sound like a song?)

I would

dearly love to keep in touch, compare notes, share good and bad

days.

Blessings, Carolyn

For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

[Guest guest]

We are trying to taper Karl's Prednisone again and we were down to 2.5 mg.

He woke up with a swollen, red knee though and we have to start all over

again. So discouraging. Does anybody know what the long term effects of

low dose Prednisone are? I worry a lot about that.

Thanks for the advice about handling height problems. I did ask him how he

felt about his size. He said it bothers him " sometimes " . He is actually

growing though and we finally had to buy new shoes so there is hope.....!

Aimee (Karl's mom, 11 , Systemic)

Hi ! Carolyn :):)

Dear Carolyn,

Hi! I read your note to Donna and just had to introduce

myself as well.My name is theresa or better known around most parts as

Tree:):) I've had JRA since 8 and I just hit 40 :0! I was diagnosed only

after years of not knowing what was wrong and going from doctor to doctor to

doctor....until finally I had a severe flare my fingers developed

boutenneire deformities and they then could label me with JRA. I'm married ,

have one son 14 which I too have been watching like a hawk for JRA. The jury

is still out on that one ! I worked for years as and artist but had to stop

my career in its tracks because of my JRA as well! I've had both my hips

replaced and have avoided other replacements so far , I too have hypothyroid

and often deal with pnuemonia's and plurisy , I've recently add osteopinia

to my list ..but what's one more thing :):)

I agree with you totally about the RA , JRA thing , I don't think

twice to tell people even doctors that I have JRA . It helps to get the word

out that kids get arthritis too and I think I sometimes wear that label like

a badge of courage or a medal of honor maybe . Over 32 year veteran is

nothing to sneeze at , as I know you are fully aware. Donna (Faces 1999) is

a good friend of mine and we are always trying to unite our kind so to

speak. Donna and I lived within 5 miles of each other and even had the same

physical therapist that visited our homes as children and we were never

introduced to each other. But we found each other three years ago and well I

can't tell you what it means to know and talk and cry and listen and share

everything we go through with someone that has been through it too!

As for meds> oh my gosh just don't get me started !!!!!!! I have a

list of tryed it and dumped it longer than my whole body, I've only enjoyed

remission twice , once during my pregnancy, and the second was for six weeks

thanks to Embrel , but it was too short lived and after a cocktail of Embrel

, Methotrexate and celebrex I got liver damage which forced me to be without

any drugs except my synthroid from last November to March.

This is a great group and it never ceases to amaze me what I can

learn from all the postings and from all the JRAer's ....Vets and kiddo's

alike ! Hope your doing well and outta that chair soon, email me when ever

you need to talk.

How old are your children and where do you all live?

My son Matt is 14 , I'm married to for ummm 19 years hmmm ,

he's 44 going on 10!!!! lol We live in Louisville, Kentucky

I hope you all have a wonderful and blessed christmas and I'll keep

your walking status on my prayer list everyday:):) it's it a pain to not

be mobile....Yuck ...I hate that the most lol Keep smilin

:):):):)Tree:):):):):)

Re: Digest Number 1204

Dear Donna. I have longed to find someone with a common life story.

Have you

had any surgerys to date? I have had 13. Ankle fusions, wrist

fusions,

tendons rupture..etc. I have been a member of about .com's arthritis

chats

but...so many of those wonderful people have had adult onset. It is

hard to

relate to them when we have had a lifetime of JRA. I correct my

doctors

constantly...they say oh you have RA ...I say no...JRA! There is a

big

difference. The joints it effect are different etc. Do your doctors

treat you

now as JRA or RA. The meds act differently from whose with adult

onset. I

have been on everything from Plaquenil, gold injections, MTX, enbrel

etc.....My thyroid acted up and I have been on synthroid since I was

about

22. My right lung has inflamatory cells now causing bouts of

pneumonia and

plurisy. But through all of this my attitude has been strong. Having

a

chronic problem your whole life makes you strong. I have two great

kids and a

terrific husband. My kids pediatrician and I have watched the kids

like hawks

even through panoramic dental x-rays and they have no signs of JRA.

There was

no family history, I just started symptoms and it took untill I was

17 to

diagnose it. I went from very athletic to nothing. I have never

stoped

looking for answers, or looking for help. If a joint crumbles, I get

it

fixed. So if acupuncture can help why not? Right now I am in a cast

and in a

wheel chair after my left ankle was fused. I look forward to walking

, I hope

by Christmas. Santa...thats all I need! HAHAHA (sound like a song?)

I would

dearly love to keep in touch, compare notes, share good and bad

days.

Blessings, Carolyn

For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn!!!! and welcome! Forgive my delayed response. As single mom to 2 young and active boys, a fulltime student and advocate for arthritis, and running a support system for kiddos, parents and young folks with arthritis i am a bit busy at times and cannot respond as quickly or as often as i would like. However...I have completed yet another semester and I SURVIVED!!!!!!!!! SO i have a tiny amount of free time on my hands......As for arthur , he came into my world when I was 5, changing it forever and introduced to me the world of docs, x-rays, lab work, meds, therapy, splints, hot packs etc..etc... However arthur also introduced me to patience, underctanding, compassion, determination and so many wonderful people!!! So it hasnt been all bad. To date I have had jaw surgery, three times. Foot surgey on both feet, corrective surgery to both hands and double hip replacements. I am need of a new shoulder, ankle and possibly a knee. However..so long as the ones I have continue to work i will hang on to them awhile. Surgery and raising children do not mix well...LOL!! My major form of therapy has consisted of a good attitude and focusing on the positive and it seems to work well. I currently mdicat myself with vioxx and disalcid....and hot showers combined with relaxation techniques. Starting the support system has been the most wonderful experience and has aided in my quality of life with arthritis! FACES (Facing Arthritis with Compassion, Encouragement and Support) is the group and our goal is to connect as many kids, teens, parents and young adults as possible!!!! We have been there and done that... therefore we understand! We have meetings, events , newsletters, penpals, and attend conferences. This Friday we are hosting a holiday party for the kids and young people of FACES and I wish you all could come!!!!!!! Before i write a book I will end for now and hope to chat soon. Please feel free to email me....I am in Louisville Ky...where are you???

To all......hugs and remember to hang tough!

Smiles and hugs...Donna

[Guest guest]

Hugs, prayers and my thoughts are with you and your family Tonya!

Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

First off ... congratulations! I'm so proud of you : ) It must feel so good to have yet another semester behind you. I'm sure you did well.

Secondly, I just wanted to let you know that all you do on behalf of those with JRA is definitely much appreciated. I hope this Friday's party is a wonderful event. And I hope that you won't be too busy to just sit back and enjoy all the fruits of your labor : )

Have a great time,

Georgina

Hi Carolyn!!!! and welcome! Forgive my delayed response. As single mom to 2 young and active boys, a fulltime student and advocate for arthritis, and running a support system for kiddos, parents and young folks with arthritis i am a bit busy at times and cannot respond as quickly or as often as i would like. However...I have completed yet another semester and I SURVIVED!!!!!!!!! SO i have a tiny amount of free time on my hands......As for arthur , he came into my world when I was 5, changing it forever and introduced to me the world of docs, x-rays, lab work, meds, therapy, splints, hot packs etc..etc... However arthur also introduced me to patience, underctanding, compassion, determination and so many wonderful people!!! So it hasnt been all bad. To date I have had jaw surgery, three times. Foot surgey on both feet, corrective surgery to both hands and double hip replacements. I am need of a new shoulder, ankle and possibly a knee. However..so long as the ones I have continue to work i will hang on to them awhile. Surgery and raising children do not mix well...LOL!! My major form of therapy has consisted of a good attitude and focusing on the positive and it seems to work well. I currently mdicat myself with vioxx and disalcid....and hot showers combined with relaxation techniques. Starting the support system has been the most wonderful experience and has aided in my quality of life with arthritis! FACES (Facing Arthritis with Compassion, Encouragement and Support) is the group and our goal is to connect as many kids, teens, parents and young adults as possible!!!! We have been there and done that... therefore we understand! We have meetings, events , newsletters, penpals, and attend conferences. This Friday we are hosting a holiday party for the kids and young people of FACES and I wish you all could come!!!!!!! Before i write a book I will end for now and hope to chat soon. Please feel free to email me....I am in Louisville Ky...where are you??? To all......hugs and remember to hang tough! Smiles and hugs...Donna

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Georgina, Rusty Limbs here! Well let me tell you all that the FACES party was a great success! and I was very honored to preasent for the festivities!

The faces group, really went all out for the kids, and it was a packed house! Of course, Donna put me to work as well, without to much fuss, I might add! I know I really enjoyed my self....

I really got more back than I put forth, to see all those beautiful faces enjoying them selfs, its an event I would surely not wanted to miss...

A Big Congrats for all those wonderful gals at the FACES!

JOB WELL DONE!!!

Rusty Limbs

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Wow, , I never thought my popping and grinding

hips would turn into painful hips! I have had this

for about 5 years now--popping every time I get up

from a chair and sometimes when I go to sit down too.

And my hips grind every day, but not every step. They

don't hurt though. I am 35 yrs old and small build.

My ankle would grind before I got my AFO, but the

ankle grinding was extremely painful right from the

start. I don't walk without my AFO, the ankle pain is

so bad without it. I guess I will have to keep a

mental " eye " on the hips! Is this from the way we

walk with CMT? I'll be looking for info on what your

dr tells you! Good luck with everything.

Joyce

Message: 7

Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:29:36 -0800 (PST)

From: Wythe <jenns424@...>

Subject: Hip Pain/Replacement?

Does anyone have information about getting a hip

replacement with CMT?

If you've had it done. Was your experience positive?

I experience

lots of noise in hips audible to everyone around when

I walk like a

grinding noise in both hips. Feels loose like there's

lots of room for the

ball of hip to move around in its socket when I walk.

There's pain

after I've been walking or up for awhile. Hips make a

pop/crack sound when

I get up from a chair quite often which doesn't hurt

but is loud. I

guess I need to know when the right time to do

anything about it is. I'm

also worried about dislocating. Information from

anybody about this

would be helpful. I see my doc on Tuesday about it.

I'm a 39yr. old

female with CMT. Thank you.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Joyce - I went to the doc yesterday. He feels due to

my age (relatively young for hip replacement) that an

ostetomy would be best. I looked it up. Sounds like

a good choice for someone like me and possibly you

too. With hip replacement, chance of dislocating and

damage to the artificial ball/socket is high with

severe muscle weakness and this will buy me probably

8-10 years before a hip replacement. Since I live in

Calif, my doc said only 3-4 in California are worth

going to for this type of precise procedure and he's

going to give me a list of those docs. Anyway, just

know it's an option to getting a hip replacement.

Thanks for your note.

--- Joyce S <imjerce@...> wrote:

> Wow, , I never thought my popping and

> grinding

> hips would turn into painful hips! I have had this

> for about 5 years now--popping every time I get up

> from a chair and sometimes when I go to sit down

> too.

> And my hips grind every day, but not every step.

> They

> don't hurt though. I am 35 yrs old and small build.

>

> My ankle would grind before I got my AFO, but the

> ankle grinding was extremely painful right from the

> start. I don't walk without my AFO, the ankle pain

> is

> so bad without it. I guess I will have to keep a

> mental " eye " on the hips! Is this from the way we

> walk with CMT? I'll be looking for info on what

> your

> dr tells you! Good luck with everything.

> Joyce

>

> Message: 7

> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:29:36 -0800 (PST)

> From: Wythe <jenns424@...>

> Subject: Hip Pain/Replacement?

>

> Does anyone have information about getting a hip

> replacement with CMT?

> If you've had it done. Was your experience

> positive?

> I experience

> lots of noise in hips audible to everyone around

> when

> I walk like a

> grinding noise in both hips. Feels loose like

> there's

> lots of room for the

> ball of hip to move around in its socket when I

> walk.

> There's pain

> after I've been walking or up for awhile. Hips make

> a

> pop/crack sound when

> I get up from a chair quite often which doesn't hurt

> but is loud. I

> guess I need to know when the right time to do

> anything about it is. I'm

> also worried about dislocating. Information from

> anybody about this

> would be helpful. I see my doc on Tuesday about it.

>

> I'm a 39yr. old

> female with CMT. Thank you.

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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robbery " is either too wrapped up in socialism (gov't etc.) or has

never had to meet a payroll for good employees. We only charge $150.

and hour (with discounts for blocks of tx when indicated) and are in our

seventh year. We have served many folks and are OK money wise, ;but

only because I was retired prior and we've never had to pay rent on the

building we own, my wife's retirement paid for the chamber and I've

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either pay me or pay back the $200. K that it cost to set it up, we

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> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:15:58 +0000

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>Subject: Petition

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>For those that have or had issues with CPS, or just want to change the system

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>

>PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION:

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system now, please sign. Please forward to anyone who may be interested.

> >

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Message: 12

Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:38:07 -0800 (PST)

From: Jeanetta Mastron

Subject: Re: WANT YOUR INPUT!! Re: If you are an OJT expereienced technician...

Jeanetta

Hi I have been a pharmacy tech since 1980. I started out with on the Job

training. Not even sure if there was a pharmacy tech course avalaible at the

time. Not anything that I had heard of anyway. I believe that either on the

job trained or school trained depends on each tech. You are what you put into

the job. I have worked right along side both kinds of techs and let me tell you

that unless you want to do good and right it makes no matter what you did or

learned. If you do not take the time to learn and put in the extra effort then

you are just putting in your time. I have worked in two hospitals and now

retail. In the hospital we had to take tech courses. and most of the techs were

putting in their time. Lots of med errors can be made by school or OTJ techs.

I belive that I am the best that I can be and try my very best to be accurate

and not make mistakes. I take pride in the fact that all I have learned I did on

my own. I ask questions if I don't understand things and I try to pass on all

the things I have learned to the other techs. I still believe that it is the

work and effert you put into the job that makes the grade. I love my job and I

would not trade it for anything else. I cant think that things would be any

differant if I would have been in the tech training.

It all comes down to experence and what you put into it.

This is just my take on the whole thing but also I think that the quality of

the parmacist you work with makes all the differance in how the techs learn and

work. If you have a good pharmacist you will learn but if they are not willing

to teach you what they know then you are sunk.

Thanks your the listen

Texas CPhT

__________________________________________________

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Dear ,

Thank you for your input! Very refreshing take on this subject.

In essence I have to say that one's dedication to learning and preventing med

errors providing the best quality care is what sets one OJT tech apart from

another OJT tech, or one formally educated tech from another or one OJT tec from

on formally educated tech...while on the job. I would not agree that it is the

experience but the dedication to the profession of pharmacy and quality pt care.

The old addage: " Experience is the best teacher " is still true, but with one

auxiliary point: ONLY with a GREAT foundation. that foundation is education. And

just as you say if you have a poor pharmacist who will not 'teach' you, you are

then 'sunk'...basically proves this point!

One problem with pharmacists 'teaching you' on the job (I do ot mean training

skills, but didactis) is that they all teach differently and with different

degree of completeness or thoroughness; which leads back to the reason for the

need standard education.

Part of the problems stated about is that not all pharmacists are 'natural

teachers'!

An additional problem is that many pharmacists would like the techs to know

more and to give more time toteach them too, but the reality is they do not have

the time! Another problem is depending upon the timeof year, therefore how busy

the Rx is, will determine how much time a pharmacists gives to teaching the

tech. This is inversely proportinal to how many scripts or how much experience

the tech will get in a specific time frame!

I do very much agree that what you put into this is what youget out and

proportional to how good/dedicted the tech will be. I agree all or any of us can

make mistakes. However I do believe that in California where most people make a

conscious decision to go to and PAY for tech school that MOST but not all are

MORE dedicated and have a greater sense of ethics, pt quality care and need to

reduce and seek out med errors. And for this very reason tech programs have a

tendancy in California and Washington and Utah to turn out better techs than

those who would otherwise be 'ramling in' just asking for a job, not realizing

the 'gravity' of what they are getting into. Many liken it to a clerical cashier

position when they do not require education. We saw this in Ca when we had a go

to school or get 1500 hours of training while getting paid on the job. The

difference was tremendous.Pharmacists would mention the difference all the time.

Formally educated techs who are dedicated, as I said most are, will make a

better trainee than a walk in hire me and train me from scratch, even if the

commitment factor is the same.

In essence we all learn on the job! We all continue to learn! It is the

dedicated, committed, caring person who has the desire for good to triumph over

bad who makes the best tech.

Thank you again ,

We appear to agree on some points and vary a bit on others. Basic bottom line

is the person must have PASSION about what they are doing or they will not do it

well.

I don't do windows well

Love ya

Jeanetta

Bernard <leslieiowan@...> wrote:

Message: 12

Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:38:07 -0800 (PST)

From: Jeanetta Mastron

Subject: Re: WANT YOUR INPUT!! Re: If you are an OJT expereienced technician...

Jeanetta

Hi I have been a pharmacy tech since 1980. I started out with on the Job

training. Not even sure if there was a pharmacy tech course avalaible at the

time. Not anything that I had heard of anyway. I believe that either on the

job trained or school trained depends on each tech. You are what you put into

the job. I have worked right along side both kinds of techs and let me tell you

that unless you want to do good and right it makes no matter what you did or

learned. If you do not take the time to learn and put in the extra effort then

you are just putting in your time. I have worked in two hospitals and now

retail. In the hospital we had to take tech courses. and most of the techs were

putting in their time. Lots of med errors can be made by school or OTJ techs.

I belive that I am the best that I can be and try my very best to be accurate

and not make mistakes. I take pride in the fact that all I have learned I did on

my own. I ask questions if I don't understand things and I try to pass on all

the things I have learned to the other techs. I still believe that it is the

work and effert you put into the job that makes the grade. I love my job and I

would not trade it for anything else. I cant think that things would be any

differant if I would have been in the tech training.

It all comes down to experence and what you put into it.

This is just my take on the whole thing but also I think that the quality of

the parmacist you work with makes all the differance in how the techs learn and

work. If you have a good pharmacist you will learn but if they are not willing

to teach you what they know then you are sunk.

Thanks your the listen

Texas CPhT

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Good Morning,

I tried to find the start of this question but couldn't so I'm jumping in.

, I agree with you, I started out in 1980 as well, working evening and

weekend retail, then to hospital pharmacy, this is where the difference comes

retail/hospital tech comes in.

You do and I did learn alot from pharmacist who wanted to tech. I have became a

perfectionist because of this, I knew and know that someones life depends on

what I do therefore, If I have questions I ask, even if you second guess

yourself. There are so called techs today, that are their just for the days work

and pay check, then you have techs that get the greatest satisfaction of coming

to works and giving their all. I , to love to come to work and don't gripe

about it.

My mother who is a R.N. worked for 40 plus years, until she retired early to

take care of my dad, who died a year ago today, complained the last few years,

she hated getting up and go to work, just hated it. I have tried to get to work

part time just to give her something to do, but she doesn't she sit's and

reads, I only said that, because of the people I worked with. Now that's a

story.. here's a question : Respect, Do you have to have it and when can you

loose it the person you work for?

Donna

Texas CPhT

Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote: Dear ,

Thank you for your input! Very refreshing take on this subject.

In essence I have to say that one's dedication to learning and preventing med

errors providing the best quality care is what sets one OJT tech apart from

another OJT tech, or one formally educated tech from another or one OJT tec from

on formally educated tech...while on the job. I would not agree that it is the

experience but the dedication to the profession of pharmacy and quality pt care.

The old addage: " Experience is the best teacher " is still true, but with one

auxiliary point: ONLY with a GREAT foundation. that foundation is education. And

just as you say if you have a poor pharmacist who will not 'teach' you, you are

then 'sunk'...basically proves this point!

One problem with pharmacists 'teaching you' on the job (I do ot mean training

skills, but didactis) is that they all teach differently and with different

degree of completeness or thoroughness; which leads back to the reason for the

need standard education.

Part of the problems stated about is that not all pharmacists are 'natural

teachers'!

An additional problem is that many pharmacists would like the techs to know

more and to give more time toteach them too, but the reality is they do not have

the time! Another problem is depending upon the timeof year, therefore how busy

the Rx is, will determine how much time a pharmacists gives to teaching the

tech. This is inversely proportinal to how many scripts or how much experience

the tech will get in a specific time frame!

I do very much agree that what you put into this is what youget out and

proportional to how good/dedicted the tech will be. I agree all or any of us can

make mistakes. However I do believe that in California where most people make a

conscious decision to go to and PAY for tech school that MOST but not all are

MORE dedicated and have a greater sense of ethics, pt quality care and need to

reduce and seek out med errors. And for this very reason tech programs have a

tendancy in California and Washington and Utah to turn out better techs than

those who would otherwise be 'ramling in' just asking for a job, not realizing

the 'gravity' of what they are getting into. Many liken it to a clerical cashier

position when they do not require education. We saw this in Ca when we had a go

to school or get 1500 hours of training while getting paid on the job. The

difference was tremendous.Pharmacists would mention the difference all the time.

Formally educated techs who are dedicated, as I said most are, will make a

better trainee than a walk in hire me and train me from scratch, even if the

commitment factor is the same.

In essence we all learn on the job! We all continue to learn! It is the

dedicated, committed, caring person who has the desire for good to triumph over

bad who makes the best tech.

Thank you again ,

We appear to agree on some points and vary a bit on others. Basic bottom line

is the person must have PASSION about what they are doing or they will not do it

well.

I don't do windows well

Love ya

Jeanetta

Bernard <leslieiowan@...> wrote:

Message: 12

Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:38:07 -0800 (PST)

From: Jeanetta Mastron

Subject: Re: WANT YOUR INPUT!! Re: If you are an OJT expereienced technician...

Jeanetta

Hi I have been a pharmacy tech since 1980. I started out with on the Job

training. Not even sure if there was a pharmacy tech course avalaible at the

time. Not anything that I had heard of anyway. I believe that either on the

job trained or school trained depends on each tech. You are what you put into

the job. I have worked right along side both kinds of techs and let me tell you

that unless you want to do good and right it makes no matter what you did or

learned. If you do not take the time to learn and put in the extra effort then

you are just putting in your time. I have worked in two hospitals and now

retail. In the hospital we had to take tech courses. and most of the techs were

putting in their time. Lots of med errors can be made by school or OTJ techs.

I belive that I am the best that I can be and try my very best to be accurate

and not make mistakes. I take pride in the fact that all I have learned I did on

my own. I ask questions if I don't understand things and I try to pass on all

the things I have learned to the other techs. I still believe that it is the

work and effert you put into the job that makes the grade. I love my job and I

would not trade it for anything else. I cant think that things would be any

differant if I would have been in the tech training.

It all comes down to experence and what you put into it.

This is just my take on the whole thing but also I think that the quality of

the parmacist you work with makes all the differance in how the techs learn and

work. If you have a good pharmacist you will learn but if they are not willing

to teach you what they know then you are sunk.

Thanks your the listen

Texas CPhT

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

and I think alike. I have been in Pharmacy since 1978. I did attend a

Pharmacy Tech program at Durham Tech and it did help in the transition from

class to work.

Many techs that I know had no formal training, but were excellent techs. It

you want to be good and you are dedicated, then you will be good at whatever

you do in life.

CPhT

NC

[Guest guest]

Hi there does anyone have the telephone number for Phytoscience in Scotland, i order Glutathion from there and the number i usually ring is out of order. Any clues anyone - have they changed phone numbers. Many thanks.

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