Re: Its not Candida but Geotrichum candidum!

[Guest guest]

Pam, In a healthy gut population the probiotic organisms yield an

acidic environment that subdues pathogen and yeast growth. Probiotics

you eat don't do much because much volume and much acid is needed,

but you can feed your existing probiotics and bring up their numbers

to supply the acid shortfall.

The food for the probiotics is inulin; it happens to be in short

supply in the diet but you can add it back in or use more traditional

vegetables so you get 12-15 grams total. Here are the details:

http://tinyurl.com/inulins

Note in the research that the fatty acids produced are directly

feeding the bowel lining cells in addition to creating the acidity

that curbs pathogen growth.

The toxins produced by bad bowel influence thyroid and adrenal

levels. Reduce the toxins and you'll be able to reduce the thyroid

and adrenal support

Duncan Crow (a wholistic consultant in Canada)

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow

>

> Just had the results of my CDSA stool test and it shows I have high

PH

> in my gut and 2+ of the above fungus. It would appear it looks

just

> like Candida but explains why my tests used to come back negative

from

> my GP but I just knew I had lots of yeasts because of bloating in

my

> gut and a persistent vaginal discharge.

>

> The test suggested that this yeast can be killed off by Flucanazole

and

> Amphoceterin B plus caprylic acid and garlic were also reasonably

> effective.

>

> Does anybody else know anything else about this particular yeast

and

> what can I do to lower the PH of my gut? I believe its to do with

my

> very low adrenal and thyroid function despite taking a steroid and

> Armour.

>

> Thanks for any information.

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Pam, In a healthy gut population the probiotic organisms yield an

> acidic environment that subdues pathogen and yeast growth.

Probiotics

> you eat don't do much because much volume and much acid is needed,

> but you can feed your existing probiotics and bring up their

numbers

> to supply the acid shortfall.

>

> The food for the probiotics is inulin; it happens to be in short

> supply in the diet but you can add it back in or use more

traditional

> vegetables so you get 12-15 grams total. Here are the details:

> http://tinyurl.com/inulins

>

> Note in the research that the fatty acids produced are directly

> feeding the bowel lining cells in addition to creating the acidity

> that curbs pathogen growth.

>

> The toxins produced by bad bowel influence thyroid and adrenal

> levels. Reduce the toxins and you'll be able to reduce the thyroid

> and adrenal support

>

> Duncan Crow (a wholistic consultant in Canada)

> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow

Hi Duncan

I appreciate your reply. I am a little confused by the fact that the

report shows my beneficial short chain fatty acids to be right in the

middle of their range at 42.1 though there wasn't a particularly high

level of butyrate at 5.9 or beta-glucuronidase at 548, range 337-

4,433 u/g but both were given as normal.

With regard to the SCFA distribution the results were high acetate at

74.9%, propionate at 11.1% and butyrate at 14% but the last 2 were

given as normal.

Also I am a little confused with regard to the high PH in that

although there was only a figure of 1+ for lactobacillus and it

should be 4+, I did have a figure of 4+ for Escherichia coli which

was considered normal and 3+ for Bifodobacterium which was only just

a little low so on paper it didn't look like a major problem of

insufficient good bacteria.

Everything else was normal and in range so I don't know if these

results provide any further information about the problem. I should

mention that I have ME/CFS and very low production of ATP plus I have

a high level of nickel in the mitochondria and also it was showing at

too high in my rbc. I was also mercury poisoned but this level has

now dropped to normal after safe removal of amalgams and chelation 6

years ago.

I am currently taking 3 caprylic acid daily as well as lots of

betaine hcl and digestive enzymes with meals because since starting a

no sugar and no fruit diet the bloating and rumblings have been a lot

worse as has my adrenal function and blood sugar control. Its like

everything is being stirred up! Also when I have raised the caprylic

acid to 6 daily I got severe migraines so obviously there was more

die-off than my liver could cope with despite extra milk thistle and

dandelion root.

Thank you for taking the time to help me.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Pam, maybe the confusion with numbers arises because in the bowel you

have many areas that will be OK and several that might not be. I've

read the science that indicates that every twist and turn, every

corner so to speak, contains a slightly different ecology. Thus

someone might have an OK stool test yet have Small Intestinal Bowel

Dysbiosis as some on this list do (for example).

Acetate is the main food for bowel lining; could it be that some

areas of bowel lining are too inflamed to suck up their fair share of

acetate?

Also, a little low on bifidobacteria and a low on lactobacilli would

lead to a pathogen fluorish. A couple of points is important.

It doesn't look major as you said, just a note at this point, worth

pondering further.

I'd suggest continuing to feed the probiotics with inulin and getting

well or getting another test. Sorry I haven't been following you or

the thread that closely because I know a LOT of people online so I

don't know how strict or thorough your dietary regime has been, but

my instinct tells me to keep feeding that probiotic culture because

we know it seldom fails. I think these marginally low numbers should

be brought up for awhile. Just my .02.

And Pam, you didn't say that you're taking undenatured whey and

selenium in this post; sorry if I missed it elsewhere but it IS used

in ATP energy, detox including mercury and nickel evacuation, and

liver support (as glutathione); all points you have mentioned in this

post. If you didn't know it, read the appropriate links from this

page:

http://tinyurl.com/glutathione-references

Duncan Crow (a wholistic consultant in Canada)

>

> Hi Duncan

>

> I appreciate your reply. I am a little confused by the fact that

the

> report shows my beneficial short chain fatty acids to be right in

the

> middle of their range at 42.1 though there wasn't a particularly

high

> level of butyrate at 5.9 or beta-glucuronidase at 548, range 337-

> 4,433 u/g but both were given as normal.

>

> With regard to the SCFA distribution the results were high acetate

at

> 74.9%, propionate at 11.1% and butyrate at 14% but the last 2 were

> given as normal.

>

> Also I am a little confused with regard to the high PH in that

> although there was only a figure of 1+ for lactobacillus and it

> should be 4+, I did have a figure of 4+ for Escherichia coli which

> was considered normal and 3+ for Bifodobacterium which was only

just

> a little low so on paper it didn't look like a major problem of

> insufficient good bacteria.

>

> Everything else was normal and in range so I don't know if these

> results provide any further information about the problem. I

should

> mention that I have ME/CFS and very low production of ATP plus I

have

> a high level of nickel in the mitochondria and also it was showing

at

> too high in my rbc. I was also mercury poisoned but this level has

> now dropped to normal after safe removal of amalgams and chelation

6

> years ago.

>

> I am currently taking 3 caprylic acid daily as well as lots of

> betaine hcl and digestive enzymes with meals because since starting

a

> no sugar and no fruit diet the bloating and rumblings have been a

lot

> worse as has my adrenal function and blood sugar control. Its like

> everything is being stirred up! Also when I have raised the

caprylic

> acid to 6 daily I got severe migraines so obviously there was more

> die-off than my liver could cope with despite extra milk thistle

and

> dandelion root.

>

> Thank you for taking the time to help me.

>

> Pam

>