Re: HGH precursors

[Guest guest]

Statistically improved scores are not the same as 700% to 800%

increase in HGH every time the product is ingested, also within the

reverse-feedback loop.

I don't think plants extraacts can do it, although some do produce

testosterone increase. If you want a better HGH-increasing product

than SomaLife's amino acids, it will probably be one that works

outside the natural HGH feedback loop. The anti-aging specialists

tell me that SomaLife " maxes out " natural HGH production.

I think moderator Jim can tell us when he is well enough, but GHB

the date rape drug may qualify as being the next step up towards

rHGH, with it's 1600% HGH release increase.

Let me know, won't you?

See www.asomaworld.net/duncancrow/ before you make up your mind.

Duncan Crow

> This is mainly for Duncan, but I thought others might be interested

> in the reply...

>

> Duncan, I know that you have claimed that SomaLife hGH is the best,

> but this snippet from a e-newsletter I'm on claims that another

> formula was the one used in a study showing impressive results, so

> was wanting to get your input before I plunk down a bunch of money

> for one of these products.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, No Free

I don't remember seeing a clear-cut response from Duncan, or anyone re your

question. Have you had your question answered? I am interested in the possible

viability of a non-injectible supplement that is comparable to the injectible

HGH (which is apparently very effective at age regression, etc.). What have you

learned?

Corny

hGH Precursors

This is mainly for Duncan, but I thought others might be interested in

the reply...

Duncan, I know that you have claimed that SomaLife hGH is the best,

but this snippet from a e-newsletter I'm on claims that another

formula was the one used in a study showing impressive results, so was

wanting to get your input before I plunk down a bunch of money for one

of these products.

Thanks

***** Begin Quoted Message *****

<snip>

I can confirm Dr. Spreen's comment about " excited users, "

because when we first told you about natural supplements that

stimulate the pituitary gland to release hGH (in the October

1998 HSI Members Alert) we examined case histories of

patients who had reported benefits such as increased energy,

reduced blood pressure, improved sexual potency, weight loss,

and diminished wrinkles and age spots.

These case reports were based on ground-breaking research

conducted by pharmacologists son and L.E. Dorman,

D.O., who developed a formula of natural compounds (including

specific amino acids, proteins, and botanical extracts)

designed to stimulate receptors in the pituitary and

hypothalamus glands that prompt the release of available

stores of hGH.

The formula, called Symbiotropin Pro-HGH, has since been

shown to be several times more effective than the far more

expensive growth hormone injections, but with zero feedback

inhibition. And according to a new study (sent to me just

last week by HSI Medical Advisor Milner, N.D.), Pro-

HGH was shown to significantly improve Quality of Life (QoL)

scores in middle-aged subjects.

The study examined 16 women and 9 men with an age range of 41

to 78 (the mean age was 59 years). Questionnaires revealed

that each of the subjects began the test with scores on the

QoL-AGHDA (adult growth hormone deficiency assessment), which

indicated severely reduced QoL, due to somatopause. After

using Pro-HGH for a period of 3 months, each of the subjects

showed statistically significant improvement in QoL scores.

Furthermore, there were no adverse events reported.

Dr. Milner has posted more information about Symbiotropin Pro-

HGH for our members on his clinic's website at cnm-inc.com.

***** End Quoted Message *****

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[Guest guest]

Hi Corny;

All I found at the company's site was hype, not data at all to

respond to. If anyone finds some data let me know and I might be

able to comment on it...

The amino acids used by professionals are very good HGH increasers

that work within the body's control mechanism.

Another good secretagogue, one you can cheaply make yourself, is

GHB.

Duncan Crow

>

>

> Hi, No Free

> I don't remember seeing a clear-cut response from Duncan, or anyone

> re your question. Have you had your question answered? I am

> interested in the possible viability of a non-injectible supplement

> that is comparable to the injectible HGH (which is apparently very

> effective at age regression, etc.). What have you learned?

[Guest guest]

> Hi, No Free

>

> I don't remember seeing a clear-cut response from Duncan,

> or anyone re your question. Have you had your question answered?

Yeah - Duncan answered it satisfactorily

> I am interested in the possible viability of a non-injectible

> supplement that is comparable to the injectible HGH (which is

> apparently very effective at age regression, etc.). What have you

> learned?

I will be ordering the SomaLife product from Duncan. I am convinced it

is better than even the injectable, though takes longer. Better,

because, instead of injecting a foreign substance directly into the

bloodstream, the SomaLife product merely stimulates the body to produce

more on its own.

I will be alternating the use of Colostrum and SomaLife - the Colostrum

to help rejuvenate the pituitary, the SomaLife to stimulate it to

release more hGH. I have been doing the Colostrum now for about 6

months, and will do the SomaLife for 3 months, and after that will go

two months on Colostrum and 2 months on SomaLife for a year, and see how

it goes.

[Guest guest]

hi,

í have used a hgh, that is very potent.

but after all, i would say, there are many other things to do for anti

aging.

a liver cleanse is far more potent than increasing hormones, i find.

colloidal silica is a super antiaging agent.

oxygen, too

hgh is much too expensive i find. and there are amino acids, that stimulate

the body´s own production of hgh (arginine/ornithine)

nevertheless, if you want i can find out, which one it was, we had here.

marlene

Re: Re: hGH Precursors

>

> Hi Corny;

>

> All I found at the company's site was hype, not data at all to

> respond to. If anyone finds some data let me know and I might be

> able to comment on it...

>

> The amino acids used by professionals are very good HGH increasers

> that work within the body's control mechanism.

>

> Another good secretagogue, one you can cheaply make yourself, is

> GHB.

>

> Duncan Crow

>

> >

> >

> > Hi, No Free

> > I don't remember seeing a clear-cut response from Duncan, or anyone

> > re your question. Have you had your question answered? I am

> > interested in the possible viability of a non-injectible supplement

> > that is comparable to the injectible HGH (which is apparently very

> > effective at age regression, etc.). What have you learned?

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan

You posted this awhile back. I'm wondering what the ingredients are for GHB and

where to get them.

Thanks

Corny

Re: Re: hGH Precursors

Hi Corny;

All I found at the company's site was hype, not data at all to

respond to. If anyone finds some data let me know and I might be

able to comment on it...

The amino acids used by professionals are very good HGH increasers

that work within the body's control mechanism.

Another good secretagogue, one you can cheaply make yourself, is

GHB.

Duncan Crow

>

>

> Hi, No Free

> I don't remember seeing a clear-cut response from Duncan, or anyone

> re your question. Have you had your question answered? I am

> interested in the possible viability of a non-injectible supplement

> that is comparable to the injectible HGH (which is apparently very

> effective at age regression, etc.). What have you learned?

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[Guest guest]

Bonnie, HGH injections have about the same effect as HGH precursors if

they are done right, but precursors are better.

HGH injections are tricky because you'd have to take about 4 daily as

a woman to approximate the natural pulsatile release that precursors

increase, and because the doctor is guessing at your dose, which

overrides your natural limiting factor for HGH release, you never know

if you're getting 100%, 50%, 200%, 400% etc of what you'd produce

naturally at 22.

Injections NOT given in such a manner have to give a lot more than the

100% to AVERAGE the 100% over the span between injections; if

injections were given daily for example, 400% of your normal pulsatile

dose would be needed at once, each time. This results in side effects.

Early on this was magnified by the shoddy technique of giving them

only once or twice weekly. The classic Arnold Schwarzenegger chin and

knuckles are testament to this effect.

Many doctors will not prescribe HGH injections at all because of that,

and also because this kind of GH is not HGH (not human) but an exudate

produced by genetically-modified e.coli bacteria. They have reason to

be suspicious; early experiments that used monkey GH (simian GH= SGH?)

in HGH-deficient children produced skeletal defects so they had to

stop the program.

Be that as it may, if you choose the injections be prepared to pay

about $1400-$2500 per month for them vs $100 to increase your own.

They aren't cheap, and they aren't better than your own HGH; in fact

some doctors also cite a relative lack of conversion by your body to

the active growth hormone IGF-1, while your body has no trouble

converting your own HGH.

Cross posting this to the coconut oil list might be a good idea; all

of it is verifiable.

all good,

Duncan

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> Duncan:

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> Did you say that HGH precursors were superior in some way to the

Injections?

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> Bonnie

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