undenatured whey

[Guest guest]

Bill, where can you roder ImmunePRO RX through the mail? I have no

way of purchasing it except via mail order.

Steph

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Thankyou so much Gail for the links. Steph

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Duncan, I just called vitacost to order the Jarrow undenatured whey and

they said they had NO IDEA as to what undenatured meant or which one of

the three whey products they sold that it would be. Can you tell me

what undenatured means and which one of their products is the one you

are refering to? Or do we just ignore the word undenatured??? and not

confuse anyone LOL.

Also I am supposing that the pure omega 3 protien bars are too high in

carbs. for candida people even though they have no added sugar???

Steph

[Guest guest]

Yes, the Jarrow low temperature on my whey page is undenatured;

probably the one you has is too.

Duncan

>

> Duncan, I finally just went ahead and purchased the Jarrow vanilla

> flavored 18% whey protien. Says it is unfiltered and processed at

low

> temperature. No artificial flavours or sweetners. Is this the

correct

> one and is it the one that is as you call it, " undenatured " , or is

there

> something else???

> Sure hope I can get this straight soon LOL.

>

> Steph

>

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--- what is the difference in undentured whey and

whey? Is it the way that it is processed?

I am still researching this before i begin to take it.

thanks

sue

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steph,

Let me ask you this question, why are you taking the

whey.

I am still researching it and i want to begin to take

it but i dont understand the benefits of it.

thanks

sue

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Well Sue, I have tried everything else and I am a bit protien deficient

so it certainly should help. The benefits are many I am told.

Duncan, I took my first whey today but it tasted nausiatingly sweet.

Does it have too many carbs. for someone with bad systemic candida or is

it just that I have been off of carbs. so long that most everything

tasts sweet to me?

Steph

[Guest guest]

Sue, I found this site that might be helpful to you in understanding

the benefits of whey.

http://www.wheyoflife.org/faq.cfm#4

HTH

Gail

>

>

> steph,

>

> Let me ask you this question, why are you taking the

> whey.

>

> I am still researching it and i want to begin to take

> it but i dont understand the benefits of it.

>

> thanks

>

> sue

>

>

>

>

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Hi Steph,

I bought the Jarrow Vanilla Whey also...it is fairly sweet & does

have fructose listed in the ingredients, but it is undenatured as I

understand it.

What I learned in my Human Physiology class (pre-nursing student) is

that proteins can be denatured by heat or chemical processes, which

breaks them down into simpler protein forms. Apparently we're going

for more complex protein forms (quaternary or tertiary) as opposed

to simpler ones (secondary or primary forms).

Here's a link that explains the concept a bit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturation_%28biochemistry%29

>

> I will never understand " undenatured " whey to where it will do me

any

> good when it comes to being able to purchase some. I need to

know:

> NO whey has the word undenatured on the lable. THEREFORE how do

I

> determine if the whey I want to purchase is undenatured or not?

I

> don't need to understand so much what it means, but I need to be

able to

> buy it where someone who sells it can understand what it is I

want. I

> want to purchase the Jarrow because I like Jarrow products.

Therefore,

> WHICH one and what does it say EXACTLY on the lable of the

jar??? Is

> it the plain 18% protien that I should purchase or is it something

> else???

> Still very confused by this word when it comes to purchasing.

>

> Steph

>

[Guest guest]

Finally I read all of the lable Bettie and I am sure glad you mentioned

that as I cannot afford to be taking something with fructose in my

condition. It is too bad everything has to be sweetened in this

country. I get so discusted with this. OK so now I am on the hunt

for a new jar of whey.

DOES ANYONE MAKE an undenatured whey without any sweetners added what so

ever? Also if anyone knows, please include where you can get it with a

phone number or e-address. Thankyou a million in advance as I am

starving here and I will not take anymore of that whey with the fructose

added. I am HOT OUT to kill that yeast and I am certainly not going to

give it the slightest thing to eat in the line of sweets.

Steph

[Guest guest]

Can anyone help me understand whey.

What are the benefits of taking whey? Based on blood

work i am not deficient in protein.

thanks

sue

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(all below copied from other sources)

***

Whey protein is the name for a collection of globular proteins that

can be isolated from whey, a by-product of cheese manufactured from

cow's milk. It is typically a mixture of beta-lactoglobulin (~65%),

alpha-lactalbumin (~25%), and serum albumin (~8%), which are soluble

in their native forms, independent of pH. Whey has the highest

Biological Value of any known protein.

Whey is a lactose-free or reduced lactose protein loaded with

nutrients and essential amino acids. Whey is comprised of four major

protein fractions and six minor protein fractions. The major protein

fractions in whey are beta-lactoglobulin, alpha-lactalbumin, bovine

serum albumin and immunoglobulins. Each of these components have

important disease-fighting effects. In addition, whey protein is

easily digestible and lactose-free.

Whey protein typically comes in three major forms: concentrate,

isolate and hydrolysate. Whey protein concentrates contain a low

level of fat and cholesterol but generally have higher levels of

bioactive compounds, and carbohydrates in the form of lactose — they

are 29%-89% protein by weight. Isolates are processed to remove the

fat, and lactose, yet are usually lower in bioactive compounds as

well — they are 90%+ protein by weight. Hydrolysates are predigested,

partially hydrolyzed whey proteins which consequently are more easily

absorbed, but their cost is generally higher.

Some individuals with suppressed/abnormal immune systems and/or

degenerative diseases use undenatured bioactive whey proteins to

increase their antioxidant levels. Undenatured whey proteins are a

good source of cysteine, a conditionally essential amino acid which

is the rate limiting factor for the body's production of glutathione,

an important antioxidant.

It is made up of essential and non-essential amino acids, which are

the " building blocks " for healthy bodies. Protein has a number of

different roles in the body including the following:

Repair body cells

Build and repair muscles and bones

Provide a source of energy

Control many of the important processes in the body related to

metabolism

The body is able to make non-essential amino acids from other amino

acids in the body. However, the body is not able to make essential

amino acids and the only way to get them is by eating high quality

protein foods. Protein sources that contain all of the essential

amino acids are called complete proteins. Whey protein is a naturally

complete protein.

Individuals with special medical needs often need more protein.

***

I would think with the chemo and radiation you're going through/or

will be going through that your requirements might be higher.

Since I've been taking undenature whey, not only do I feel much

better and have more energy, but it's building lean muscle and

tissue. I used to look emaciated. My muscle tone has improved

greatly and now I'm looking pretty healthy and fit!

Gail

>

> Can anyone help me understand whey.

>

> What are the benefits of taking whey? Based on blood

> work i am not deficient in protein.

>

> thanks

>

> sue

>

>

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Hu Buddy;

The first whey below may be not what we're looking for, as the

description lacks the appropriate keywords. A " whey isolate " is not

necessarily one of the undenatured isolates that will do us good for

glutathione production.

The second one has the appropriate language.

Duncan

>

> Would you consider these 'undenatured' whey?

>

> http://www.metagenics.com/products/detail.asp?pid=245

>

> http://www.metagenics.com/products/detail.asp?pid=187

>

> Thanks,

>

> Buddy

>

[Guest guest]

Buddy, this language for the first whey " A patented†††, multi-step

ultrafiltration process concentrates and preserves the whey protein

and bioactive immunoglobulins " is close, especially if the whey was

whole whey to star to the right wording if the serum albumin and

lactalbumin proteins especially are also preserved along with the

beta-lactoglobulin.

Duncan

> >

> > Would you consider these 'undenatured' whey?

> >

> > http://www.metagenics.com/products/detail.asp?pid=245

> >

> > http://www.metagenics.com/products/detail.asp?pid=187

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Buddy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

On 7/26/07, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

> Buddy, this language for the first whey " A patented†††, multi-step

> ultrafiltration process concentrates and preserves the whey protein

> and bioactive immunoglobulins " is close, especially if the whey was

> whole whey to star to the right wording if the serum albumin and

> lactalbumin proteins especially are also preserved along with the

> beta-lactoglobulin.

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > >

> > > Would you consider these 'undenatured' whey?

> > >

> > > http://www.metagenics.com/products/detail.asp?pid=245

> > >

> > > http://www.metagenics.com/products/detail.asp?pid=187

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Buddy

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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570-366-2618 fax

www.bmfchiro.com

[Guest guest]

I found Mercola's page too http://products.mercola.com/pro-optimal-whey/ and was

left

with more questions.

Sorry Rosie, not much help to you, I know.

>

> I'm sure Duncan will chime in with everyone's questions - he's the

> expert here. But my understanding is that *undenatured* whey is

> specially processed - it is *not* a byproduct of cheese production.

> However most whey supplements offered are this type of byproduct,

> since protein supplements probably represent the greatest payoff for

> it's commercial use. So if you have problems digesting whey, is likely

> because it *is* denatured (Duncan?).

>

> I don't know what brand Duncan recommends but I like this product:

> http://www.evolutionhealth.com/WheyProtein/ImmunoPro-whey_protein.htm

> and I also like Dr. Mercola's undenatured whey (chocolate flavor!).

>

> Re: Rose's question, I belong to a " cowshare " and get raw milk to make

> my own fresh whey as a byproduct of kefir making - so it also contains

> large amounts and a wide spectrum of probiotics and is delicious and

> energizing! But as Duncan pointed out, it takes about 5 gallons of

> fresh whey to make one dose to get sufficient precursor to glutathione

> - and he says most people do well with 2 doses daily. So I will be

> doing both.

>

> ~

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I have been viewing posts for a while and recently started some whey

as I was advised as I was losing too much weight on the diet. Having

looked into it more, it seems that the majority of wheys are by

products of cheese production and hence will always be partially

denatured given the processes involved. The only ones not are the

very expensive immunocal etc?

I found a body building supplement which goes into the whole issue in

detail, namely pro peptide by cnp professional, and although the info

on the website is very interesting, it means there are more choices

to make! The price doesn't seem too bad though which seems to make it

worth contemplating.

Looking at the work by Bounos (as per the website article) it seems

that they did not get the glutathione results until they used a

specially processed whey. So is it something that we should be

obsessing about??

anyhow, I guess that trial and error is a good 'whey' to find out but

that does get expensive!

Regards,

Ome

[Guest guest]

Most milk is flash-pasteurized, which partially denatures it before

cheese-making. The undenatured whey that remains is recovered and

concentrated, accounting for the variations between undenatured whey

products.

The glutathione precursors of the lower-grade products are about 2/3

as potent as Immunocal but only about 1/8 of the price. While

Immunotec dealers suggest perhaps 20-30 grams, we use about 70 or

more anyway so the delivery of glutathione precursors is not an

issue, and in fact whey protein remains the best protein for your

body as it increases metabolic rate and preserves alkalinity.

Choosing between them is not at all trial and error, as I've detailed

the method at the bottom of the page of examples here, and included

links to other similar products:

http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

Duncan

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have been viewing posts for a while and recently started some

whey

> as I was advised as I was losing too much weight on the diet.

Having

> looked into it more, it seems that the majority of wheys are by

> products of cheese production and hence will always be partially

> denatured given the processes involved. The only ones not are the

> very expensive immunocal etc?

> I found a body building supplement which goes into the whole issue

in

> detail, namely pro peptide by cnp professional, and although the

info

> on the website is very interesting, it means there are more choices

> to make! The price doesn't seem too bad though which seems to make

it

> worth contemplating.

>

> Looking at the work by Bounos (as per the website article) it seems

> that they did not get the glutathione results until they used a

> specially processed whey. So is it something that we should be

> obsessing about??

>

> anyhow, I guess that trial and error is a good 'whey' to find out

but

> that does get expensive!

>

> Regards,

>

> Ome

>

[Guest guest]

, the way to tell wheys apart based on their glutathione precursors or

wording on the label is explained at the bottom of the whey page:

http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

Sorry I don't know about free samples.

Duncan

>

> Where do you get this? I called to Whole Foods, Vitamin Shoppe, General

Nutrition. I would like to buy one single pack individually to try it before

shelling out 12-15$. Any ideas? Most people do not even know what I am saying

when I say undenatured. Is there another term for this? Doug

>