Re: Question about pain in my sons ankle

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I forgot to mention that he has always had very weak ankles and we

always buy shoes with high medial support...and I just got him a new pair

of running shoes that meet my standards, so I am sure this is not the

problem.

Caroline

Hi guys,

My son is 12. He has always loved to run and has joined Cross

Country with school. He is finding that his left ankle is really

hurting him. It is to the point where he is having a hard time and

this is very frustrating for the both of us. I started him on some

MSM the other day but not sure what else he could use to help him.

I

wanted to make some Deep Tissue Repair Oil but at this point and time

I don't have the funds to do so. Not sure what else could help

him.

Any thoughts?

Caroline

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organic calcium and organic iron along with the msm... would be good.. Caroline <ladyguinevere@...> wrote:

Hi guys,My son is 12. He has always loved to run and has joined Cross Country with school. He is finding that his left ankle is really hurting him. It is to the point where he is having a hard time and this is very frustrating for the both of us. I started him on some MSM the other day but not sure what else he could use to help him. I wanted to make some Deep Tissue Repair Oil but at this point and time I don't have the funds to do so. Not sure what else could help him.__________________________________________________

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also use ankle weights at nite while sitting in the chair raising the legs straight, hold, down and repeat... to strengthen.Caroline <ladyguinevere@...> wrote:

I forgot to mention that he has always had very weak ankles and we always buy shoes with high medial support...and I just got him a new pair of running shoes that meet my standards, so I am sure this is not the problem.Caroline

Hi guys,My son is 12. He has always loved to run and has joined Cross Country with school. He is finding that his left ankle is really hurting him. It is to the point where he is having a hard time and this is very frustrating for the both of us. I started him on some MSM the other day but not sure what else he could use to help him. I wanted to make some Deep Tissue Repair Oil but at this point and time I don't have the funds to do so. Not sure what else could help him.Any thoughts?CarolineNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005

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yes. even vit c (lemon peels).Caroline <ladyguinevere@...> wrote:

I have some organic iron made...but will have to get some lemons and eggs for the calcium...he would also need Vit E as well...with this correct?Caroline>organic calcium and organic iron along with the msm... would be good..-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005

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Take them separate Caroline.

SuziCaroline <ladyguinevere@...> wrote:

Oh! I have powdered lemon peels! Excellent!He will have quite the concoction in the morning...lol...wonder what Organic iron...with organic calcium in it...along with powdered lemon peel will taste like. lolCaroline>yes. even vit c (lemon peels).-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005

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From: " Caroline " <ladyguinevere@...>

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Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:20 PM

Subject: Question about pain in my sons ankle

> Hi guys,

>

> My son is 12. He has always loved to run and has joined Cross

> Country with school. He is finding that his left ankle is really

> hurting him. It is to the point where he is having a hard time and

> this is very frustrating for the both of us. I started him on some

> MSM the other day but not sure what else he could use to help him. I

> wanted to make some Deep Tissue Repair Oil but at this point and time

> I don't have the funds to do so. Not sure what else could help him.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Caroline

>

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The school has a x country coach...don't know about a trainer of any

sort...that I am aware of. I hadn't thought of taping his ankle...I

used to do this when we would do hand techniques in Tae Kwon

Do...because of the pain I get in my hands...and with sparring...but

for some reason it hadn't occurred to me to tape his ankle. Duh! My

neighbor...two doors down...is a former cross country coach...and he

helped us with finding the shoes for him...they are running on mostly

concrete and grass...so we bought shoes appropriate for that. We

live in Florida...so there are no hills or anything like that.

Actually...now that I think about it...one of my good friends is the

trainer for one of the minor league baseball teams for the Minnesota

Twins...I will check with him to see if he has any recommendations

for taping of the ankle. He owes me a favor anyway...since I just

made up flyers for his wife's newest real estate listing...lol.

Thanks Shari!! You have given me new avenues to pursue for help.

Caroline

>The school should have a trainer available. And by trainer I mean

>someone that is in the know about sports injuries. I know that when

>my kids ran cross country the trainer was there and she was very

>knowledgeable about how to tape ankles and knees.

>

>His xcountry coach should be able to give him some direction also.

>

>What sort of shoes is he wearing? Flats? Spikes? I know that my

>runners had different shoes for different terrains and different

>size spikes for different weather conditions.

>

>Shari

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The school should have a trainer available. And by trainer I mean someone that is in the know about sports injuries. I know that when my kids ran cross country the trainer was there and she was very knowledgeable about how to tape ankles and knees.

His xcountry coach should be able to give him some direction also.

What sort of shoes is he wearing? Flats? Spikes? I know that my runners had different shoes for different terrains and different size spikes for different weather conditions.

Shari

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"that meet my standards"

They may meet your standards, but do they meet the standards of what a kid needs for cross country? Xcountry is a whole other ballgame when it comes to running. How old is he? Is he running in high school or middle school? Hills? Grass? Dirt? Mud? Gravel? Pavement? Water? Then you get into up hills or down hills? Grassy hills or paved hills or gravel hills?

What is his warm up like? How many miles is he putting in during the week? Cool downs? How many miles for his cool down?

When I see my son I'll ask him about ankles. Jacques really enjoyed running. The more mud and rain the better.

Which reminds me, I have to do timing on the meet next week! I really enjoy cross country.

Shari

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I will tell him, thank you!! One thing I'm not worried about here at

all...is SNOW!! LOL I am very lucky your right...it honestly never

occurred to me to ask my friend about it until you mentioned a

trainer...silly me...I guess I don't think about what he does for a

living...he's just Larry! LOL He was actually voted Trainer of the

Year in their league for three years in a row...so I definitely will

be pumping him for information.

I am pretty excited about this whole cross country thing...it is his

first time being involved in anything other than Tae Kwon Do...which

we have both done since he was 5...so that has been 7 years. Which,

by the way, he is going to be getting his first degree black belt

coming up here...junior black belt of course...but still quite an

accomplishment...and I have to say he has worked really hard and

earned that belt...I am going to be getting my second degree...been a

long hard road..but well worth the effort and time. I will be

setting up my own school soon...under our Master of course, but it

will be fun to do it myself.

Thanks again!

Caroline

>Oh Caroline! You have a couple of gold mines right in your hip

>pocket! You are a very lucky woman.

>

>Enjoy the season and tell your son good luck! Tell him he's

>lucky. My kids actually had to run in snow at one of the last meets.

>

>Shari

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There is a way to strengthen ankles by using a theraband. Tie the band together,

put it around both feet at the bottom of the toes and while holding the heels together,

move the upper foot outward against the band. Repeat quite often several times

per day.

And,

This is the best sports site I have ever seen!

http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/

Sue

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The school should have a trainer available. And by trainer I mean someone that is in the know about sports injuries. I know that when my kids ran cross country the trainer was there and she was very knowledgeable about how to tape ankles and knees.

His xcountry coach should be able to give him some direction also.

What sort of shoes is he wearing? Flats? Spikes? I know that my runners had different shoes for different terrains and different size spikes for different weather conditions.

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Caroline,

Is 12 yo old enough for cross-country? Are you sure he doesn't have a

hairline fracture? Good idea to make sure this isn't the issue.

You might want to talk to the school nurse if you don't have the funds

to talk to someone else. You also might want to discuss with her/him

the feasibility of your son doing cross-country. It might be a let

down for him and hard on you to see his disappointment but ....well

maybe imagining another scenario....think of all those little girls

that want to be ballerinas. Or all the things kids want that just

can't be ....I never did get that pony!!! I was very bummed...but

grew out of it. I have an ex-boyfriend with weak ankles and still

gets bummed at being left out of activities....life can be hard.

Anyway, maybe this won't have to be the case but you might want to

prepare the both of you for the possibility.

It sounds like he should stay off of it while you help get circulation

to the area....for healing. Heat will help. If there is pain and

swelling you can do ice to get the swelling down then alternate ice

then heat. Is there color change to the area?

After it heals you can look the various ways to strengthen his ankles.

JMTC,

Kit

> " that meet my standards "

>

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Hi Caroline,

So good to hear he's just going through an adjustment!!

Yes, heat will help the circulation after the swelling has gone down.

Also if you have any topicals with menthol or camphor in them they

will also help circulation. Menthol is derived from mint so if you

have mint you can mix it with sesame oil (good for absorption) and

apply it as well.

You could even use clay, as it, too, improves circulation and will

draw out any impurities that might be involved with injured tissue.

If you're familiar with essential oils and have Rosemary, myrrh, and

lemongrass are all good for his ankle.

Anything that brings blood to the area will help...he could do light

rotations while sitting....you could massage his ankle or even do some

light skin brushing.

Some one suggested strengthening the related musculature after he was

better which is an excellent suggestion.

.... a little story....

I was watching world class downhill skiing and watched this guy wipe

out sooooo bad...he hit the fence and bounced around like a ragdoll, I

was surprised that he lived thru it and damned if he didn't get up and

walk away.....and they remarked it was because he was a firm believer

in cross-training and weight-lifting to strengthened the muscles that

hold joints well in place. It was one of the most amazing things

I've ever witnessed, won't ever forget it, and tell the story often!!

Good luck,

Kit

> Kit,

>

> Swelling was the first thing I looked for. I didn't find any at

> all. There is no discoloration or anything. He just says it

> hurts...but it is not all the time. He has been running relatively

> consistently for about a year now but hadn't tried it on rougher

> terrain...so I am pretty sure it is just an adjustment period of the

> unevenness of the ground in the grassy areas.