Sesame oil is *NOT* good food

[Guest guest]

Someone on another list needed this data that shows sesame oil is

*NOT* a good food oil at 43%-45% linoleic acid, and one should use it

sparingly if at all. Sesame oil is higher in this inflammatory fatty

acid than even canola oil, and its peroxidation index is in the same

ballpark as canola, corn, and soy oils that we already avoid.

A screen shot of the oil peroxidation index for some food oils appears

here, first line of the references:

http://tinyurl.com/oil-references

More analyses of common food oils and their components that I can add

to the oils analysis worksheet after I check the figures are here:

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/fattyacids1.html

Anyway, the point is that most people already have an unhealthy intake

of linoleic acid at levels that contribute to inflammation, disease

and general metabolic suppression. See especially the research on how

the degree of dietary oil saturation corresponds to heart disease,

" Low fatty acid unsaturation: a mechanism for lowered lipoperoxidative

modification of tissue proteins in mammalian species with long life

spans. " J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci 2000 Jun;55(6):B286-91

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=10843345 & dopt=Abstract

(NINA Molivar's) quote:

> > As a general rule, we recommend olive oil and sesame oil as the

only

> safe,

> > stable unsaturated oils. Corn oil, soy oil, safflower oil, canola

> oil - uh,

> > uh, don't touch. They go rancid in the body very fast, if not in

the

> bottle.

....is also incorrect on sesame being saturated; the only saturated

fats in it are just 8.9% palmitic and 4.8% stearic acid.

I think after reading fatty acids expert Dr. Chilton's book

Inflammation Nation, which deals with the arachidonic acid pathway,

you would probably reduce your own intake of this oil and recommend to

your staff and readers to do the same, unless they used it only

sparingly and had no other source of linoleic acid, which doesn't seem

very likely.

Hope I've helped some readers to reduce a lifetime of inflammation

with this data

all good,

Duncan Crow (a wholistic consultant in Canada)

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> > As a general rule, we recommend olive oil and sesame oil as the

only

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> > stable unsaturated oils. Corn oil, soy oil, safflower oil, canola

> oil - uh,

> > uh, don't touch. They go rancid in the body very fast, if not in

the

> bottle.

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> > Nina

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the typo; sesame oil is 8.9% palmitic and 4.8% stearic

acids, the saturated fats.

Duncan

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> > > As a general rule, we recommend olive oil and sesame oil as the

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> > > stable unsaturated oils. Corn oil, soy oil, safflower oil,

canola

> > oil - uh,

> > > uh, don't touch. They go rancid in the body very fast, if not in

> the

> > bottle.

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> > > Nina

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[Guest guest]

Interesting - my info is that sesamin is an antioxidant. Anyway, I really

agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil very sparingly. The only oils

that I am comfortable using in relatively large quantities are VCO and red

palm oil. Even these, however, I have cut back on, after having scooped up

VCO like ice cream for months. A total cholesterol of 300, with an LDL of

160, was too over the top for me. So now I am more sparing.

Nina

Re: Sesame oil is *NOT* good food

Sorry for the typo; sesame oil is 8.9% palmitic and 4.8% stearic

acids, the saturated fats.

Duncan

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> > > As a general rule, we recommend olive oil and sesame oil as the

> only

> > safe,

> > > stable unsaturated oils. Corn oil, soy oil, safflower oil,

canola

> > oil - uh,

> > > uh, don't touch. They go rancid in the body very fast, if not in

> the

> > bottle.

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> > > Nina

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[Guest guest]

Point of clarity, please:

 

" I really agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil sparingly. "

 

And yet, 4 posts prior, it states, " As a general rule, we recommend olive oil and

sesame oil as the only safe, stable unsaturated oils. "

 

So, olive oil is as inflammatory as sesame?

 

-richard-

[Guest guest]

Another pointer would be the world's foremost cholesterol authority, a

fella with pages of credentials, Uffe Ravnskov, has a famous article

called the Cholesterol Myths, here:

http://www.ravnskov.nu/

High cholesterol has never been proven to cause disease.

I agree that sesame seeds contain an antioxidant. All seeds do; that

helps to preserve the oil in them from rancidity.

Duncan

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> Interesting - my info is that sesamin is an antioxidant. Anyway, I

really

> agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil very sparingly. The

only oils

> that I am comfortable using in relatively large quantities are VCO

and red

> palm oil. Even these, however, I have cut back on, after having

scooped up

> VCO like ice cream for months. A total cholesterol of 300, with an

LDL of

> 160, was too over the top for me. So now I am more sparing.

>

> Nina

[Guest guest]

Let's put it this way: I don't use the other oils at all. Sesame and olive

oils, sparingly. I don't believe that they are inflammatory in small

quantities, but I don't know for sure. The problem is not inflammation, but

rancidity.

Inflammatory qualities are not all bad, necessarily. At low levels, oils

create warming in the body. In Ayurveda, the term is " pitta " : you can have

too much or too little of the fire element. Old people usually have too

little and they could use more. That is why their skin is dry, their bones

are brittle, and they have trouble sleeping. They are too " vata " : the air

element, dried out and ungrounded.

Nina

RE: Re: Sesame oil is *NOT* good food

Point of clarity, please:

 

" I really agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil sparingly. "

 

And yet, 4 posts prior, it states, " As a general rule, we recommend olive oil

and sesame oil as the only safe, stable unsaturated oils. "

 

So, olive oil is as inflammatory as sesame?

 

-richard-

[Guest guest]

I agree with Nina that some inflammatory qualities are not that bad

but must be balanced. What got me about her statements was that

1) ANY recommendation to use sesame or other high omega-6 oil should

have said " sparingly " or words to that effect right off, and

2) that sesame was a saturated oil, when it contains very little.

Both statements could easily lull a reader into complcency about this

s-called " safe " oil, when it is not safe beyond that minimal use, and

less than that if the person is already exposed to dietary oil that

contain linoleic acid.

I use lots of (grass-fed) butter and only a little olive oil, plus

casual exposure to processed or restaurant food and whatever other

linoleic acid I happen to get in my diet though seeds etc. Still

planning to get more VOCC from Qualityfirst but its not a priority.

Duncan

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> oils, sparingly. I don't believe that they are inflammatory in small

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oils

> create warming in the body. In Ayurveda, the term is " pitta " : you

can have

> too much or too little of the fire element. Old people usually have

too

> little and they could use more. That is why their skin is dry, their

bones

> are brittle, and they have trouble sleeping. They are too " vata " :

the air

> element, dried out and ungrounded.

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[Guest guest]

Sesame isn't saturated. What I said was that *sesamin* is an antioxidant.

Regarding Omega-6 - if you are eating a whole-foods plant-based diet, you

will not be too high in Omega-6. Excessive and unbalanced Omega-6 comes from

the standard American diet: junk food, processed food, refined foods,

processed oils, and mass-marketed animal products. You should make an effort

to get Omega-3 from somewhere (salmon, walnuts, flax, etc.), but you don't

have to be anxious about Omega-6 if you are eating properly.

Nina

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Sorry Nina; I had thought you wrote UNsaturated. I agree that some

omega-6 is essential but I think most people get more than they need.

They aren't eating " properly " and that's why the book Inflammation

Nation that deals with the resulting inflammation is a bestseller

Duncan

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> > Let's put it this way: I don't use the other oils at all. Sesame

and

> olive

> > oils, sparingly. I don't believe that they are inflammatory in

small

> > quantities, but I don't know for sure. The problem is not

> inflammation, but

> > rancidity.

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> > Inflammatory qualities are not all bad, necessarily. At low

levels,

> oils

> > create warming in the body. In Ayurveda, the term is " pitta " : you

> can have

> > too much or too little of the fire element. Old people usually

have

> too

> > little and they could use more. That is why their skin is dry,

their

> bones

> > are brittle, and they have trouble sleeping. They are too " vata " :

> the air

> > element, dried out and ungrounded.

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm new to the group. This topic caught my eye. I have recently read Broda

' book

Hypothyroid: The Unsuspecting Illness and he has an excellent chapter on

cholesterol.

Cholesterol does not cause disease; it can be an indicator of other problems,

the most

likely one is hypothyroid. CVO is excellent for thyroid, boosts the metabolism.

As far as sesame seed oil goes, check out ray peat's site, www.raypeat.com. The

only fats

he says we should eat are VCO, olive oil and butter, besides animal fats (grass

fed).

Joan

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> > Interesting - my info is that sesamin is an antioxidant. Anyway, I

> really

> > agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil very sparingly. The

> only oils

> > that I am comfortable using in relatively large quantities are VCO

> and red

> > palm oil. Even these, however, I have cut back on, after having

> scooped up

> > VCO like ice cream for months. A total cholesterol of 300, with an

> LDL of

> > 160, was too over the top for me. So now I am more sparing.

> >

> > Nina

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[Guest guest]

Joan, the research shows the unsaturated oil one eats is correlated to

shorter lifespan; thought this might interest you as well, it's about

halfway down the references in my coconut oil page:

http://tinyurl.com/oil-references

Duncan

> > >

> > > Interesting - my info is that sesamin is an antioxidant. Anyway,

I

> > really

> > > agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil very sparingly.

The

> > only oils

> > > that I am comfortable using in relatively large quantities are

VCO

> > and red

> > > palm oil. Even these, however, I have cut back on, after having

> > scooped up

> > > VCO like ice cream for months. A total cholesterol of 300, with

an

> > LDL of

> > > 160, was too over the top for me. So now I am more sparing.

> > >

> > > Nina

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[Guest guest]

I just read about this this morning in Enig and Sally Fallons book

too...

chatnelle

On 12/1/08 8:43 AM, " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@...> wrote:

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> Joan, the research shows the unsaturated oil one eats is correlated to

> shorter lifespan; thought this might interest you as well, it's about

> halfway down the references in my coconut oil page:

> http://tinyurl.com/oil-references

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> Duncan

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>>>> > > > Interesting - my info is that sesamin is an antioxidant. Anyway,

> I

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>>>> > > > agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil very sparingly.

> The

>>> > > only oils

>>>> > > > that I am comfortable using in relatively large quantities are

> VCO

>>> > > and red

>>>> > > > palm oil. Even these, however, I have cut back on, after having

>>> > > scooped up

>>>> > > > VCO like ice cream for months. A total cholesterol of 300, with

> an

>>> > > LDL of

>>>> > > > 160, was too over the top for me. So now I am more sparing.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > Nina

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